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Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 0	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:28:49 - [1] - Quote Myself and two buddy's have grown sick of hi sec mining but do not wish to live in null. To keep out selves interested we have been ninja mining in prospects we have been doing some ninja worm hole gas mining but also alot of low sec ore mining. Though it is fun, it is in no way cost effective. We have zero incentive isk wise to mine jaspet in low sec using prospects when we can fleet mine in exhumers with orca support in Hi sec. Solution Buff low sec ore a lil more. Add new ship. Covert ops cloak or immune to D scan and warp strength. Mining boosting capacity 50k m3 ore hold? Drone bay to deal with rats as Prospects can't Price tag under 100mill This will make a small group of null hating ballsy miners happy, and also make low sec pirates happy as they might have more targets.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 383	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:33:35 - [2] - Quote Talos Emishi wrote: Covert ops cloak or immune to D scan and warp strength. Mining boosting capacity 50k m3 ore hold? Drone bay to deal with rats as Prospects can't Price tag under 100mill This will make a small group of null hating ballsy miners happy, and also make low sec pirates happy as they might have more targets. Lol "new targets" that have covert op cloak, freaking d-scan immunity and +warp strength so cant be pointed.... Yeah sounds legit and balanced. Bear
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 0	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:40:19 - [3] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Talos Emishi wrote: Covert ops cloak or immune to D scan and warp strength. Mining boosting capacity 50k m3 ore hold? Drone bay to deal with rats as Prospects can't Price tag under 100mill This will make a small group of null hating ballsy miners happy, and also make low sec pirates happy as they might have more targets. Lol "new targets" that have covert op cloak, freaking d-scan immunity and +warp strength so cant be pointed.... Yeah sounds legit and balanced. Bear I did say covert ops OR d scan warp strength. Also I agree it would not be balanced the risk v reward would still be heavily in favour of sitting in hi sec to mine. It would still be more cost effective to mine in Hi sec than low sec. And there would still be risk, miners would be caught out in low sec regardless. You clearly don't think you could catch anyone you obviously lack confidence in your gank ability's. They need to coax hi sec miners into low sec, the venture and prospect are not enough.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 383	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:43:01 - [4] - Quote Please tell me how you lose small fast aligning frigate with covert ops cloak and mwd to gatecamp with mwd/cloak trick. Plus its real easy with covert ops cloak. Go mine in a WH. There is your increased reward for increased risk right there already buddy. Go gas mine in venture in WH. You are NOT welcome
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 0	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:54:20 - [5] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Please tell me how you lose small fast aligning frigate with covert ops cloak and mwd to gatecamp with mwd/cloak trick. Plus its real easy with covert ops cloak. Go mine in a WH. There is your increased reward for increased risk right there already buddy. Go gas mine in venture in WH. You are NOT welcome LOL not going to waste my time explaining how, far to many situations and variables, but if you think prospects are immortal and never die then you are more ignorant than you appear as they get blown up every day. Also we were not talking about the prospect we are talking about a support ship for the prospect which being a hauler would be larger with a bigger sig radius and longer align time. If prospects are unkillable and op now go cry about em somewhere else please as they are already in game and considered by most as good additions to the game. I'm basically requesting a ORE transport ship.. just as killable as the other transport ships, but tailored to support fleet mining.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 935	Posted - 2015.08.04 17:20:32 - [6] - Quote Don't blockade runners have a 60000km corp hanger and +2 warp strength? Or the covert haulers have the cloak but less cargo? Why not use the tools available before asking for more?
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 0	Posted - 2015.08.04 17:42:13 - [7] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: Don't blockade runners have a 60000km corp hanger and +2 warp strength? Or the covert haulers have the cloak but less cargo? Why not use the tools available before asking for more? The covert haulers are not fit for task, they have tiny cargo holds might as well bring a 3rd prospect the cargo holds are tiny. The blockade runners, I already am using it for the purpose I describe. I run 3 prospects and a occator in low sec but need a asualt frig escort for rats as transports and prospects can't deal with low sec rats no drones. I make a crap ton more per hour with 3 exhumers and an orca and no escort in high sec. I risk nothing in high sec very little anyway as we don't go afk and run tanked skiffs but I make loads more per hour than an expedition to low sec. Thus I would like a transport ship with a similar Ore cargo hold to a blockade runner but also has drones to kill belt rats and some mining bonuses. The devs say risk = reward all the time this would be a step in the right direction to making low sec mining viable. Hope this answers your question.
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 453	Posted - 2015.08.04 17:52:49 - [8] - Quote >Compares mining Jaspet in a mining frigate to highsec ores in a barge/exhumer with Orca buffs. 1- You can mine using barges and exhumers in lowsec, you just need to know how to do it safely. 2- You could even just keep an orca within docking distance of a station for using mining boosts. 3- http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore Stop comparing the worst lowsec ore to the best highsec ores. Now compare highsec ores with Orca boosts versus lowsec ores with Orca boosts and decide which NPC station you want to base your operations out of. Either use a freighting corporation (Red Frog/Push-X) or get a DST/blockade runner to move your minerals out. Then get over your fear of nullsec and WH and improve your income further by being able to mine in completely dead end systems with intel channels warning you of any incoming threats. but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 0	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:05:24 - [9] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: >Compares mining Jaspet in a mining frigate to highsec ores in a barge/exhumer with Orca buffs. 1- You can mine using barges and exhumers in lowsec, you just need to know how to do it safely. 2- You could even just keep an orca within docking distance of a station for using mining boosts. 3- http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore Stop comparing the worst lowsec ore to the best highsec ores. Now compare highsec ores with Orca boosts versus lowsec ores with Orca boosts and decide which NPC station you want to base your operations out of. Either use a freighting corporation (Red Frog/Push-X) or get a DST/blockade runner to move your minerals out. Then get over your fear of nullsec and WH and improve your income further by being able to mine in completely dead end systems with intel channels warning you of any incoming threats. You are talking about living in low sec, with intel channels etc. I am talking about expedition nipping into a system filling up a load and getting out. Doing what you advise is no different than just moving to null sec--- with woste ore of course.
Cyber SGB Mecha Enterprises Fleet 102	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:15:31 - [10] - Quote At first, I thought these ideas were stupid, but I sat down and got to thinking on the subject of Low Sec mining. I have never seen a barge/exhumer in Low Sec while flying around looking for something to kill. Some people may have, but I think it is very rare. These ships are very high priority in the greater scheme of things. Without them, the economy would collapse. You would think exhumers and orca's would be developed to have capabilities that allow them to operate in hostile environments or there would be a deployable that help them operate in hostile environments. Perhaps the ops suggestions have some merit. What would be wrong with exhumers and an orca type ship having d-scan immunity? There's a combat ship that has d-scan immunity. Should there be another exhumer created that has this ability? What kind of deployable could there be? Is there already a deployable available? I believe this subject deserves to be discussed. I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 453	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:24:08 - [11] - Quote Talos Emishi wrote: Eli Apol wrote: >Compares mining Jaspet in a mining frigate to highsec ores in a barge/exhumer with Orca buffs. 1- You can mine using barges and exhumers in lowsec, you just need to know how to do it safely. 2- You could even just keep an orca within docking distance of a station for using mining boosts. 3- http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore Stop comparing the worst lowsec ore to the best highsec ores. Now compare highsec ores with Orca boosts versus lowsec ores with Orca boosts and decide which NPC station you want to base your operations out of. Either use a freighting corporation (Red Frog/Push-X) or get a DST/blockade runner to move your minerals out. Then get over your fear of nullsec and WH and improve your income further by being able to mine in completely dead end systems with intel channels warning you of any incoming threats. You are talking about living in low sec, with intel channels etc. I am talking about expedition nipping into a system filling up a load and getting out. Doing what you advise is no different than just moving to null sec--- with woste ore of course. In OP you said that you didn't want to live in nullsec but found highsec boring. You didn't say that you had considered living in lowsec from an NPC station which will be: - cost effective - more risky than highsec so you don't get bored - provide an option for null hating ballsy miners - make lowsec pirates happy as they have more targets (that aren't in almost uncatchable frigates) but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Lucian Trask Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:27:09 - [12] - Quote The devs should look for incentives and add tools to make low sec mining viable. It would be healthy for the game. miners have more fun and so do the pirates. The devs know this they added the venture and prospect, but they need to do more. Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 0	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:34:14 - [13] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Talos Emishi wrote: Eli Apol wrote: >Compares mining Jaspet in a mining frigate to highsec ores in a barge/exhumer with Orca buffs. 1- You can mine using barges and exhumers in lowsec, you just need to know how to do it safely. 2- You could even just keep an orca within docking distance of a station for using mining boosts. 3- http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore Stop comparing the worst lowsec ore to the best highsec ores. Now compare highsec ores with Orca boosts versus lowsec ores with Orca boosts and decide which NPC station you want to base your operations out of. Either use a freighting corporation (Red Frog/Push-X) or get a DST/blockade runner to move your minerals out. Then get over your fear of nullsec and WH and improve your income further by being able to mine in completely dead end systems with intel channels warning you of any incoming threats. You are talking about living in low sec, with intel channels etc. I am talking about expedition nipping into a system filling up a load and getting out. Doing what you advise is no different than just moving to null sec--- with woste ore of course. In OP you said that you didn't want to live in nullsec but found highsec boring. You didn't say that you had considered living in lowsec from an NPC station which will be: - cost effective - more risky than highsec so you don't get bored - provide an option for null hating ballsy miners - make lowsec pirates happy as they have more targets (that aren't in almost uncatchable frigates) Im currently living on a hi sec island and working the surrounding low sec area so I'm all but doing what you suggest useing prospects and a transport. Still it is not worth risking an orca or exhumers in low sec and prospects and a transport can not match Hi sec mining with an orca and exhumers. Something more needs to be added the rewards do not match the risk.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 22617	Posted - 2015.08.04 18:52:12 - [14] - Quote LOL Seriously. I did. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Freya Sertan Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 619	Posted - 2015.08.04 19:17:34 - [15] - Quote Day tripping in wormholes huffing gas will make you billions in a month with no Orca support and only one smartly piloted Prospect. I know, I do it every month. New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face. Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 453	Posted - 2015.08.04 19:23:44 - [16] - Quote Talos Emishi wrote: Im currently living on a hi sec island and working the surrounding low sec area so I'm all but doing what you suggest useing prospects and a transport. Still it is not worth risking an orca or exhumers in low sec and prospects and a transport can not match Hi sec mining with an orca and exhumers. Something more needs to be added the rewards do not match the risk. It's not worth risking taking exhumers and orcas through lowsec gates If you live and mine within one carefully chosen lowsec system then the risks are hugely minimised whilst the rewards are hugely increased. That is perhaps what you are looking for. The risk in piloting a little mining frigate worth almost nothing are not worthy of increased rewards - your suggestion would devalue lowsec ores even more by making them increasingly easy to harvest from a carebear haven in highsec. but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Zappity WiNGSPAN Delivery Services 2421	Posted - 2015.08.04 22:34:26 - [17] - Quote Actually, a "ninja Orca" would be pretty cool for camping or day tripping wormholes, or even for highsec reshipping shenanigans. Of course, the only thing that is relevant here is the ship maintenance bay so I would be perfectly happy to sacrifice ore space etc. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 383	Posted - 2015.08.05 01:33:44 - [18] - Quote be careful what you ask for, the easier something is to do in the game the more people it will attract and the less income per hour you will make. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Ahed Sten 73	Posted - 2015.08.05 01:39:44 - [19] - Quote Providence. And no, I don't mean the ship. Your welcome.
Vol Arm'OOO Bagel and Lox 706	Posted - 2015.08.05 13:21:42 - [20] - Quote Honestly, the orca is my favorite ship in the game. Its the most versatile ship imaginable - you can pack it full of your stuff, have it follow you around and pull it out as you need it - its the swiss army knife of ships. OFC its usefulness in null, wh and low is limited due to its size and speed. Accordingly, I have often wished for other flavors of the ship - in particular I would love to see a combat version of the ship, one that eliminates the ore hold and increases the size of ship bay to allow for say a couple of BS to fit in there, while also changing the skill requirements to eliminate the industry stuff - this ofc is what the bowhead should have been, but CCP brain farted and we got the bowhead, which is singularly uninteresting or particularly useful. Another version of the orca I would like to see would be sort of a pt tender - make a mini covert ops orca, with just enough room to fit a five or 6 sb, and to carry sufficient fittings and ammo to allow the sb to truly operate deep behind enemy lines without a station. This way the sb can refit and even reship without having to continually go all the way back to civilization. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Hadrian Blackstone Yamato Holdings 166	Posted - 2015.08.05 13:23:46 - [21] - Quote Honestly, a D-scan immune mining frig is a really interesting idea. Just take away the covert ops cloak.
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda 1798	Posted - 2015.08.05 16:27:45 - [22] - Quote if you don't mind the expedition lifestyle, go gas mining in wormholes and ignore lowsec ore alltogether. much more money to be made that way.
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 1	Posted - 2015.08.05 19:40:20 - [23] - Quote Maldiro Selkurk wrote: be careful what you ask for, the easier something is to do in the game the more people it will attract and the less income per hour you will make. Do you have any idea how few people min in low sec? almost nobody id guess... it's a joke all mining is done in hi sec or defended Null. I bet some low sec belts are still virgins after all these years still never touched. Somthing needs to be done to make low sec mining viable the risk needs brought down or the reward needs to go up. The eve devs say RISK = REWARD RISK = REWARD, ISK = REWARD over and over and over, they need to sort it out draw people to low sec.
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 1	Posted - 2015.08.05 19:59:40 - [24] - Quote Gilbaron wrote: if you don't mind the expedition lifestyle, go gas mining in wormholes and ignore lowsec ore alltogether. much more money to be made that way. i do but am chased off by sleeper rates. Hell im chased off by low sec rats cant deal with rats of any kind in a prospect. Hence me asking or a expedition ship that can mine, kill low sec rats, or a mining support ship that can haul kill rats and not be a easy target.
Freya Sertan Ministry of War Amarr Empire 624	Posted - 2015.08.05 21:02:09 - [25] - Quote Talos Emishi wrote: Gilbaron wrote: if you don't mind the expedition lifestyle, go gas mining in wormholes and ignore lowsec ore alltogether. much more money to be made that way. i do but am chased off by sleeper rates. Hell im chased off by low sec rats cant deal with rats of any kind in a prospect. Hence me asking or a expedition ship that can mine, kill low sec rats, or a mining support ship that can haul kill rats and not be a easy target. Run the **** away from Sleepers, mine other gas clouds. It's not that hard. New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face. Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Talos Emishi Outer Ring Exploration 1	Posted - 2015.08.05 21:17:08 - [26] - Quote Freya Sertan wrote: Talos Emishi wrote: Gilbaron wrote: if you don't mind the expedition lifestyle, go gas mining in wormholes and ignore lowsec ore alltogether. much more money to be made that way. i do but am chased off by sleeper rates. Hell im chased off by low sec rats cant deal with rats of any kind in a prospect. Hence me asking or a expedition ship that can mine, kill low sec rats, or a mining support ship that can haul kill rats and not be a easy target. Run the **** away from Sleepers, mine other gas clouds. It's not that hard. And while im scanning more sites that often have sleepers already on grid, i could be mining ore or ice in hi sec with orca support with less risk. The time spent and the luck and risk involved is high, the isk i can make from doing is good but i can do better mining ice in Hi sec with orca support. That's the problem. But yes i do mine gas in worm holes it is viable those not efficient but I'm not talking about has mining talking about low sec. This is going round in circles all im saying is they could give us the tools to make expeditions into low sec or even null more viable.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32110	Posted - 2015.08.05 23:37:43 - [27] - Quote No way I'm posting in this thread. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 360	Posted - 2015.08.06 01:10:33 - [28] - Quote OP: Would increasing the ore hold of the Prospect address your problem, or is more about the yield rate?
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1105	Posted - 2015.08.06 03:27:43 - [29] - Quote Talos Emishi wrote: They need to coax hi sec miners into low sec, the venture and prospect are not enough. They are more than enough. I mined lowsec in a burst while i trained up to Procurer which i took into npc null. Was big fun but not big money. If i'd had the SOE explo line, the Mordu pvp line and the Venture /Prospect available i might have spent less time in empire starting out. These ships allow low skilled pilots to hit low, null and wh space without being too soft a target. Time spent in those areas means you meet people and end up flying with them. Players have the tools. Get out of hisec. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1012	Posted - 2015.08.06 09:41:31 - [30] - Quote Its not often you meet people in this game who try to do low sec mining, first of all congratulations to you for doing it. I just dabbled with it for lol's, in other words did it because it was not the accepted wisdom to do so. I last did it before the Propsect came out, sadly the Prospect is not very good, when I brought one to NPC 0.0, the tank to deal with rats is just too appalling. The ninja lifestyle has been continuously nerfed by CCP, the most important one was the removal of the belts that needed to be scanned, now every loser can warp straight to them. You obviously want to control your risk, which is why WH space is not for you. Your ideas have merit, but sadly you are wasting your time, CCP hates miners, they see you as cannon fodder for the HTFU players, they will never listen to people who want to do ninja type stuff and be a challenge to catch, they want you to give easy kills to people who generally are not very good at the game, your place is to run around in a flying coffin that is useless and give fun content to these people, just read anything that CCP Falcon says about this subject. The Prospect was only a partial move in the right direction and I do give them some credit for this, but its obvious that no one in CCP tried to fit one to actually mine in low sec of 0.0 NPC, it just cannot handle the rats,. it is a steaming pile of junk and they should be ashamed of that as game designers. I trained one toon into it and regretted that lost SP that is how bad it sucks. Sadly your sensible suggestion will be drowned out by the HTFU forum trolls, but you have my respect sir. Ella's Snack bar. With all the data supplied on API/CREST the game should be renamed to Jabber Online, look something to kill, ping everyone!!!!

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