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Rhamnousia
Caldari Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Significant Tank Hype Hi - 8x Ion II Med - Warp Disruptor (named), 2x Webber (named), MWD, Cap Booster Lo - 2xLARII, 2x EANMII, 1x DCU, 1x Mag StabII Rig - Ancilliary Current Router
Raw Output DPS 751.62 Raw Repair DPS 543.11
Well over double the mega's tank, but with such a (relatively) low DPS there are a number of tanked setups that it just won't break and if it comes to a battle of the cap boosters it'll be the hype who runs out first. Not to mention the increased cost.
Of course it all means jack 'cos NOS is king atm
If anyone can top those numbers please let me know, I'm dying for an excuse to fly this ship.
(for those pondering the origin of the raw numbers used they were gathered using quick-fit the tracking guide and a stripped down version of Nyphur's tanking spreadsheet. Drones were ignored, but they would only tip the balance further in the megas favor)
takin skills and rigs into account, i can spot serveral hole in your tanked setup.
with one t1 aux nano pump, u get about 5-6.5% (roughly too lazy for maths atm) raw repair DPS. and for a tanked setup, u'll want:
x3 active hardeners (exp/kin/therm) and an EAMN
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x2 passive hardeners (kin/therm) an active hardeners (exp) and a DCU.
what u are trying to do with that setup above is u are trying to scramble as much dps and tank as possible on the ship at the same time. it's a bit hard, taking all things into account.
but u do hav a point, hype is currently lack of a "bang for your buck" factor. but when u try to fit a tanked megat, and compare the stats .. u'll see the differences. trust me, try it.
overall, hyperion when tanked got much better chance of surviving than megathron AND still be able to diss out at least half-decent dmg. megathron cant do that, not even if u try.
again, i dont use quick fit or anything, i've flow gallente for quite a while and all these things i said are purely educated guesses, and unproven facts. but u can try and see how things go .. still hasn't bought my hyperion. im waiting for sumthing to change, and i suspect it'll be soon. --------------------------------------- - yes, im a noob - yes, im a nut job - no, i dont give a .... about what u think of my noobness - now, tell me sumthing i dont know |
RiotRick
Black-Sun Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Loka 5x Electron II, 3x hvy Nos MWD, hvy Injector, web, 20km scramb, ECM II 2x LAR II, Expl II, KIN II, EANM II, DCU
This is sort of the setup I use. I just use different hardeneres in lows active exp/kin/therm instead of exp/kin/eanm.
I also added an auxiliary nano pump and nanobot accelerator rig. This will give you 2392 hp repped every 10.2seconds. I'll be adding a second auxiliary nano pump soon.
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.04.06 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rhamnousia
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Stuff
takin skills and rigs into account, i can spot serveral hole in your tanked setup.
with one t1 aux nano pump, u get about 5-6.5% (roughly too lazy for maths atm) raw repair DPS. and for a tanked setup, u'll want:
x3 active hardeners (exp/kin/therm) and an EAMN
or
x2 passive hardeners (kin/therm) an active hardeners (exp) and a DCU.
what u are trying to do with that setup above is u are trying to scramble as much dps and tank as possible on the ship at the same time. it's a bit hard, taking all things into account.
but u do hav a point, hype is currently lack of a "bang for your buck" factor. but when u try to fit a tanked megat, and compare the stats .. u'll see the differences. trust me, try it.
overall, hyperion when tanked got much better chance of surviving than megathron AND still be able to diss out at least half-decent dmg. megathron cant do that, not even if u try.
again, i dont use quick fit or anything, i've flow gallente for quite a while and all these things i said are purely educated guesses, and unproven facts. but u can try and see how things go .. still hasn't bought my hyperion. im waiting for sumthing to change, and i suspect it'll be soon.
Rigs are overly expensive atm, and dropping the single magstab for added tank means the DPS drops to below that of many other close range set-ups making it rather pointless to fly. (Not to mention the fact that the added CPU from such a tank would mean either dropping the guns down to electro's or dropping a webber, either of which would further gimp the damage output.)
And yes, I'm trying to set it up to scram, DPS and tank... what else am I supposed to do if I want to fly it solo?
If you up the tank your damage can't break theirs, it's nice to gone before cap boosters run out or enemy support turns up. The mega, while a slightly weaker ship can be set up for ganking and hopefully pop the opponent before either of these become an issue, if it comes down to who has the better tank you lose due to the nature of solo 0.0 pvp and the many ships that would then out-perform it 1v1.
It does make a nice fleet/gang dps platform but again there are comparable (and oft superior) platforms available at far less of an expense.
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The Kris
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Posted - 2007.05.08 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: The Kris on 08/05/2007 04:01:53 Here¦s a sum up of the Hyperion
You've gotta use that armor repairing bonus to you're advantage so dual rep ofc.
You've gotta keep balance in you're cap so a few nos with more large blasters will hold fine with cap booster but 8 guns + 2 large reps in a long fight you're toast (long fight then i don't mean 1 vs 1 cause you will have already smoked them with 8 guns + drones but maybe 2 vs 1 or tight situations in gang)
Rigs are deffinately not a must, they help ALOT if you fit the right rigs but in no way are they a must
5 guns + 3 heavy nos 100mn mwd, 1 web, 1 20km or better scrambler, 1 heavy cap booster, 1 slot for target disrupt/ecm or something in last slot Lows: dual large rep (pref II), 3 active hardners (exp, kin, therm), 1 dmg control (dmg control beats plate)
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Lady Trade
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Posted - 2007.05.08 07:37:00 -
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My current Hyperion setup:
Highs: 7x Ion II 1x Medium NOS
Meds: 1x MWD 1x 20km scram 1x web 2x large injector
Lows: 2x LAR II 2x EANM II 1x DCU II 1x 1600mm plate
Rigs: 1x Current Router 1x Anti-Explo 1x Nano Accelerator
Drones: 4x Ogre II
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Gladiator Jonny
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:46:00 -
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loose the 1600 plate or a rep, and fit a magstab or 2
ions = some nice damage. use it!
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 08/05/2007 11:55:51 highs: 8x neutrons II (void) mids: mwd, web , scram, injector, tracking comp II lows: large repper II , eanm II, dmg control, magstabs II
drones: 4 ogre II rigs: pg rigs and hybrid rof rig imps: cx-2 and +%5large hybrid dmg ============== +- 1500dps
only for real men.yarr.
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minerals
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: minerals on 01/06/2007 19:51:37
Originally by: Loka 5x Electron II, 3x hvy Nos MWD, hvy Injector, web, 20km scramb, ECM II 2x LAR II, Expl II, KIN II, EANM II, DCU
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minerals
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Loka 5x Electron II, 3x hvy Nos MWD, hvy Injector, web, 20km scramb, ECM II 2x LAR II, Expl II, KIN II, EANM II, DCU
Was wondering how the damage is on this setup ive found that 1 large armor rep with some tank and mag stabs is more balanced in dmg and tank
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Milon Pendragon
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Posted - 2007.06.01 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Milon Pendragon on 01/06/2007 23:24:21 My setup is pretty evil. It's extremely cap heavy, but is great for shorter battles.
Hi Slots: 8x Neutron II (loaded with Void L)
Med Slots: 1x Fleeting Web 1x 100MN MWD II 1x Fleeting Progressive Warp Scram 1x Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster 1x Tracking Computer II
Low Slots: 1x Large Armor Rep II 1x DCU II 2x EANM II 2x MagStab IIs
Rigs: 1x Ancillary Current Router I 2x Trimark Armor Pump I
Drones: 5x Vespa EC-600 (For countering big stuff) 5x Warrior IIs (For countering smaller stuff)
Thoughts?
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Kippy Smith
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Posted - 2007.06.04 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kippy Smith on 04/06/2007 16:09:26 so far this will be the most expensive ship i have flown, don't want to loose it to a crappy setup, this is what i have amt.
High Slots: 7X Neutron blaster cannon II 1X heavy diminishing power system drain I
Mid Slots: 1X 100MN After burner I 1X target painter I 1X Webber ("langour" drive disruptor) 1X initiated warp jammer I 1X Heavy F-XR Prototype I Capacitor Boost
Low Slots: 1X large amour repair II 2X N-type kinetic hardener I 2X N-type thermic hardener I 1X Reactor control unit
Rigs: ancillary current router I (planning on fitting 2 more, but what?)
Drones: pending
its an extremely tight fit atm. i need some feedback, tell me where there is room for improvement, what i might change, what i'm doing wrong and what im doing right. any kind of feedback is good.
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fathitman
Gallente adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.04 19:43:00 -
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Those injectors in the meds in peoples setup is a waste.
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Tarquin Ophelia
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Posted - 2007.07.06 18:46:00 -
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The Hyp can hold 8 425mm guns unlike the mega witch can have 5 if u dont armor tank it. However i have found that the Hyp can not armor tank as well having 1 less low slot than the mega. I have sceen a hyp set up well with both blasters and rails but find the rail set up usaaly alows the hyp to surive when stuck in a tight spot.
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.06 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kippy Smith Edited by: Kippy Smith on 05/06/2007 12:16:42 Edited by: Kippy Smith on 05/06/2007 12:15:47 so far this will be the most expensive ship i have flown, don't want to loose it to a crappy setup, this is what i have amt.
:Updated:
High Slots: 7X Neutron blaster cannon II 1X heavy diminishing power system drain I
Mid Slots: 1X 100MN After burner I 2X fleeting propulsion inhibitor 1X initiated warp jammer I 1X Heavy F-XR Prototype I Capacitor Boost
Low Slots: 1X large amour repair II 1X N-type kinetic hardener I 1X N-type thermic hardener I 1X N-type explosive hardener I 1X energized adaptive nano membrane I 1X Reactor control unit
Rigs: 1X ancillary current router I 2X capacitor control circuit I
Drones: T2 Ogres
its an extremely tight fit atm. i need some feedback, tell me where there is room for improvement, what i might change, what i'm doing wrong and what im doing right. any kind of feedback is good.
that makes me cry. firstly i suggest fitting an mwd.
also if u need an rcu to fit that then improve ur fitting skills
and u have a heavy injector and only 1 rep. lose the cap rigs for something that'll really help you.
just my opinion but that setup with an ab would die to anything with a bit of speed that stay out of web range. it has an ok tank and ok damage.
DE
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.07.24 00:23:00 -
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New setup to add.
The "lol-rigz" Hype
8x Neutron II 100MN MWD I, Warp Disruptor II, Fleeting Web, 2x Med Booster II LAR II, Named LAR, 2x EANM II, 2x MagStab II
2x Ancillary Current Router I, Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit 1
5x t2 Medium drones + 5x Medium ECM drones
If so inclined you can swap out an EANM for a third Magstab for a true gank setup, though I wouldn't recommend it. A cheaper alternative of the same setup moves down to Ions and drops the rigs, with the rigs costing almost 70mill on todays market this isn't a poor mans boat but it bests the DPS on... just about anything while still fitting a very respectable tank.
TBFH Im not sure I should be sharing this one.
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greasha
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Posted - 2007.09.25 00:04:00 -
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here's the setup ive been using: highs: Ion Blaster Cannon II [Void] x8
meds: Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I x2 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Warp Prohibitor I F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
lows: Large Armor Repairer II x2 Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Damage Control II
rigs: Ancillary Current Router I Auxiliary Nano Pump I x2
drones: Ogre II x4
resis: Armor EM : 66.0 % Armor Explo : 65.57 % Armor Kinetic : 75.14 % Armor Thermal : 75.14 %
700 +/- DPS on structure without maxxed skill its slow yes and doesnt even have a AB yes i know this but its meant for camping or when your almost garenteed to land on top of somone (probing <3) 1454.75 repaired with just 1 rep giving it a 250 DPS tank now just to find some faction reps
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Ararius
EP0CH Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.25 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ararius on 25/09/2007 00:40:49 I have a friend that uses one fitt for gate camping.
8x T2 Ions with Null
2x SBs 2x T2 Disruptor's Heavy Cap Booster
2x T2 LARs Kin/therm/Explo hards T2 DCU
Rep amount and resist rigs I think
He basically can sit on the gate and nab people that jump in.
Also, he can shoot abit more then 20km so thats why he doesn't use a MWD
\o/
Im ugly, just look at my face!
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Aleksi Maksimovich
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aleksi Maksimovich on 16/11/2007 01:20:27 8x Ions t1 (faction AM ammo)
100mn ab t2 warp dis t2 web t2 large booster t2
LAR t2 x2 EANM t2 Kin passive t2 therm passive t2 PDU t2 * mag stab t2 *
rigs: rep ammount booster (15%) x2, CCC
cant remember off the top of my head if thoes are right or not (at work atm)\
any suggestions on my setup?
reps like a mofo & damage too - i dislike the AB but MWD is the death of a tank on this beast
__________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Nozh
It's going to cost double for Amarr and I'm taking away your ability to warp.
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.16 03:04:00 -
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This setup is Teh Win (especially if you have faction/officer lar)
* ** *** ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes |
Commander Strife
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Posted - 2007.12.04 02:57:00 -
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Looking for criticism of this set up
Highs
7x 425mm prototype Gauss Guns 1x Drone Link Augmentor
Meds
100mn ABII ECCM-Magnometric II Large Peroxide I Cap. Power Cell 2x Medium Cap Booster II's (Booster 220's)
Lows
2x EANM II's Armor Exp. Hardner II Capacitor Power Relay II Large Armor repair II Medium Armor Repair II
Rigs
Ancilliary Current router I Semiconductor Memory Cell I Trimark Armor Pump I
I run with 5 medium 2 hammerheads, 2 heavy web drones (i usually have the web drones out so that I can hit my target) I don't have the PG to run another gun or a NOS but thats ok, cause this is a tank.
Resists; em 100%, Kin 75%, Th 75%, Exp 105%
Capcitor is enough to run a full tank and all mods for 10 minuts, and I repair 121 armor a second when fully active, with just he heavy repairer my cap is self sufficient.
Be as brutal as you want :), This is for fleet ops PVP BTW
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Commander Strife
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Posted - 2007.12.04 03:00:00 -
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Also I usually look to hit at around 40 - 50 km's with Plutonium or antimatter, and this is not for blaster I have a megathron for that.
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.04 03:45:00 -
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When do we stop necroing this thread? Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR! |
Myth Al'kar
Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.13 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Myth Al''kar on 13/12/2007 18:16:18
Originally by: arbalesttom When do we stop necroing this thread?
- Maybe when its not longer linked from a sticky ship setup thread?
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xXThe BossXx
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Loka 5x Electron II, 3x hvy Nos MWD, hvy Injector, web, 20km scramb, ECM II 2x LAR II, Expl II, KIN II, EANM II, DCU
can i get this with out the internet jumbo? etc. LAR, Expl, EANM, that kind of thing
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HELLCAST51
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Posted - 2008.01.16 21:34:00 -
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ok I have one that I have good luck with and that is high 6 large ion 2 heavy Nos mid tech 2 wmd 2 tech 2 cap rechargers low adaptive nanoplate em,ex,therm,hardrns tech2and 2x tech 2 large aromr rep your choice of for dones this has proven well for me in doing mission as a tanker but you have to make sure that you time it right when you turn things on and turn things off
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.05 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Morrow Disca on 05/02/2008 13:59:02 My setup is very close to some of the ones listed here, but i am unable to use T2 blasters yet.
Highs 8x Modal Mega Ion Blasters (Caldari faction ammo)
Meds 24k Warp Scram II X5 Prototype Web Heavy Cap Booster II MWD ECCM
Lows DCU II LAR II EANM II x2 MAG STAB x2
Drones Ogre II's x4
Rigs Nanobot Accelerator Aux Nano pump x2
EFT suggests a defence of 406 with a dps of 916 and volloy damage of 2874, i PVP rarly with this Char so i wonder what you guys think.
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.05 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom When do we stop necroing this thread?
***Warning! Sig ahead!***
Bounty: Jonny JoJo
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.05 14:36:00 -
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When it stops being stickied by the mods, so STFU.
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.05 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Morrow Disca When it stops being stickied by the mods, so STFU.
There are like at least 5 MORE UP TO DATE hyp setup threads on the same page of ships&mods right now, its SMARTER TO USE THEM because they arent so out of date. Sticky sucks, because its out of date, get it? So yeah, better use eve search or start a thread yourself, stop necroing this crappy sticky (no, sticky isnt a argument to keep necro'ing this).
***Warning! Sig ahead!***
Bounty: Jonny JoJo
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El Torrent
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.05 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Morrow Disca When it stops being stickied by the mods, so STFU.
There are like at least 5 MORE UP TO DATE hyp setup threads on the same page of ships&mods right now, its SMARTER TO USE THEM because they arent so out of date. Sticky sucks, because its out of date, get it? So yeah, better use eve search or start a thread yourself, stop necroing this crappy sticky (no, sticky isnt a argument to keep necro'ing this).
If you think this is such a problem, may I suggest to mail the mods, then?
OK, back ontopic:
To have any kind of possibility to run 2x LAR for quite some time, you need double injectors. Well, that being said, 2x Medium > 1x Heavy injector in the terms of cap / second. So, Use something along these lines:
8 Ions mwd / web / scram / 2x medium injector 2x LAR, 2x EAN II, 1x DC, 1x MFS II
3x rep amount rigs.
I use faction EAN's (like 25m each)
Over 900 dps damage output, close to 900 dps tank. --
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