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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1513
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Posted - 2015.08.05 00:46:24 -
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To all the citizens, lurkers, Content Creators and ALT's of C&P
I need your help. There is a newbro corp called Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation with as many if not more then 300 brand new subs that is living on an island in Aridia. Most of you know about it. For those that don't a streamer has come to eve and brought a bunch of fresh meat Newbros with him. I have been taking them on fleets as much as possible into LS and against the wt's that plague them (which I fully endorse because there is no bad content). I need help though there are not enough fleets going out for the 150 online players most under 2 weeks old. Anybody with a spare ALT app to corp (they accept all apps) and start teaching them PvP, Ninjaing, Wardec survival (not corp rolling that **** is bad ) and any other content you can think of.
At this point in time they don't seem to have any rules so get to these newbies and show them eve from your persepctives. Not all will like it but these are the potential future baiters, flippers, wardeccers, dedicated mission runners and nullsec fleet commanders. Personally I am providing 1mil isk fit frigs for ls roams and wt hunting atm and I try to do at least a fleet a day. If 5 more people did this imagine how many could be retained. Oh you will not agree with 99.9% of the ceo and 2ic's ideas. Don't tell them they are terrible ideas that won't work just do your own thing and provide as much content as you can manage for any who are willing to come with you
PS I was so proud today the stary eyed newbies who a week before got their first taste of blood killed a blingy stratios today while I was in bed
A special shout out to all the wardeccers who have been bringing things for them to kill instead of crazy **** that they can't
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
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Mag's
the united
19963
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:00:28 -
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I'm working 12 hour nights atm, but will help them with an ISK donation.
I'll be in touch bud, as mail doesn't work on the phone.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Damnskippy
Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel
72
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:00:30 -
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I don't have an alt to insert, but next time i'm online I'll throw you some cash to get 100 or so fit t1 frigs.
Good luck. I truly hope you are wildly successful at showing them the most entertaining side of Eve ...freedom.
Fake edit: If they swing by minnie lowsec space I promise to shoot back. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1516
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:08:14 -
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Do not throw isk at the corp. He gets 1 plex for every sub due to a buddy link and the corp at this point in time is not handing out ships. If time isn't your thing isk sent to Trosken Neirfallas will go to buying more t1 fit ships for them if you really really want but I'd rather time if you have it to spare :P
Not fake edit: More ideally we could work on some fits and get them shipped in by rff or something because being on a hs island in aridia its a nightmare getting the bits for the ships atm
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
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pushdogg
Tell Your Mum To Call Me Cruis3rs Cr3w
50
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:10:25 -
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+1, I need some alt fun. |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
3176
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:45:13 -
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I'm game.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Damnskippy
Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel
73
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Posted - 2015.08.05 02:21:18 -
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I just contracted over 25 frigs for each race and sent some cash for fittings. Hopefully hek isnt too far away. |
Mobadder Thworst
Noob Farmers Bad Neighbors.
542
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Posted - 2015.08.05 02:57:26 -
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I'm off tomorrow, I'll try to come down and let them light me up.
Also, if you aim to teach, I can post up the tutorial on pvp I used to use for training. Mo |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1519
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Posted - 2015.08.05 03:16:15 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:I'm off tomorrow, I'll try to come down and let them light me up.
Also, if you aim to teach, I can post up the tutorial on pvp I used to use for training. Mo The leadership doesn't take to kindly to such things. I highly recommend if you make it out here you post it
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Razielkh
Intelligence Operation NetCorp Khaos Legion
23
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Posted - 2015.08.05 03:37:33 -
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Yes, throw your alts in the corporation so your alliance and the rest of the vultures can pad their killboards and farm newbros for kills. If you truly cared about new players coming to EVE and making content for all of us on the long run, you would do something about the swarm of decs they got from the merc community and "PVP" groups.
What's happening now is loads of new people coming to eve, trying out some fleet fights without any knowledge of the basic game mechanics, proper FCing and/or proper skills/fits and getting killed left and right as soon as they undock. My guess is that more than half of them will not stick with EVE, as they are not allowed to make any progress, try different aspects of EVE, grow with skills points, make some isk, explore their options, etc.
Kudos to Arumba for bringing hundreds of new players to EVE, which sadly will not stay for long, but for everyone else, stop being such effin' hypocrites. |
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2345
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Posted - 2015.08.05 03:43:13 -
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Wow. If you pulled the stick out it might help a great deal with that raging infection. These guys are trying to HELP.
You are doing what?
Edit: I also have an alt in said corporation, and look forward to getting some fleet action going on for some pew training of the nooblets. Showing them how to survive is not griefing them, it's the opposite.
Also, if even half of them stay it would be far beyond the statistical average for new player retention. Most of the time it's closer to 10% that stay. If by getting them involved that number improves then it's a win for everyone.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
169
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Posted - 2015.08.05 03:48:01 -
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Razielkh wrote:Yes, throw your alts in the corporation so your alliance and the rest of the vultures can pad their killboards and farm newbros for kills. If you truly cared about new players coming to EVE and making content for all of us on the long run, you would do something about the swarm of decs they got from the merc community and "PVP" groups.
What's happening now is loads of new people coming to eve, trying out some fleet fights without any knowledge of the basic game mechanics, proper FCing and/or proper skills/fits and getting killed left and right as soon as they undock. My guess is that more than half of them will not stick with EVE, as they are not allowed to make any progress, try different aspects of EVE, grow with skills points, make some isk, explore their options, etc.
Kudos to Arumba for bringing hundreds of new players to EVE, which sadly will not stay for long, but for everyone else, stop being such effin' hypocrites.
Oh grow up. Its the same in any game these days. Try doing wow leveling BGs as a "newbro" enjoy being one shotted by the twinks with 5 times your health pool. Or go join a CS server if you never played before and enjoy getting head shotted 20 times in a row. Or maybe you want to try a moba? yeah go join league and complain about getting wrecked and how your team insults you for playing poorly.
Any new player to any game should expect a learning curve, if they don't they are naive. These guys if they survive will love this game. If you want to increase the survivabilty rate why not spend a bit of time showing them how instead of making futile forum gesture appealing to the better nature of my cold dark soul?
Will gank for food
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Razielkh
Intelligence Operation NetCorp Khaos Legion
23
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Posted - 2015.08.05 03:57:07 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Wow. If you pulled the stick out it might help a great deal with that raging infection. These guys are trying to HELP.
You are doing what?
Edit: I also have an alt in said corporation, and look forward to getting some fleet action going on for some pew training of the nooblets. Showing them how to survive is not griefing them, it's the opposite.
My reply was mainly aimed at the OP, as his alliance keeps the corp in question under constant dec for several known reasons, and now he is trying to get more members to "help".
As for I am doing? KHAOS offered to defend them from any dec for free until they can get a bit more established. They never took up on that offer, which I respect, as they want to fight their own fights.
You have alt there, good. They need all the help they can get, as long as you are not "part" of their corporation while your main corporation is farming them.
Also, no raging infection here, just harsh reality. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2346
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:10:47 -
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Thing is the OP is trying to help teach some of their newbros how to be better at dealing with their wars. Not by farming them, but by taking them out and getting them some practice so that when they do sally forth at least some of them will have a better idea as to what they're doing.
It's a 'save the children' movement, but instead of protecting them the idea is to enable them to protect themselves. I'm glad that your alliance has offered to ally in on their decs, that's pretty decent of you. I'd recommend that due to their reticence on taking up that offer that you join the others in this initiative. Have some fun and help them have some as well.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13939
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:16:34 -
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Razielkh wrote:My guess is that more than half of them will not stick with EVE
And that would still be much higher retention than mining.
Cry more about how people are engaging in real content.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Razielkh
Intelligence Operation NetCorp Khaos Legion
23
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:25:28 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Razielkh wrote:My guess is that more than half of them will not stick with EVE
And that would still be much higher retention than mining. Cry more about how people are engaging in real content.
Hush codie, no one is crying here, I am not one of your ganked miners that you harass for tears collection.
Yes I agree, placing them in action and pvp rather than letting them bore themselves to death mining is much better. All I am saying is give them some slack. A moment to breathe, catch their breath, etc. Stomping them until the fall apart as soon as they started playing and making content leads nowhere. Think about the longer run, that's all.
Maybe I am just crazy thinking that EVE could use more players... |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
3178
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:31:52 -
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Razielkh wrote:Yes, throw your alts in the corporation so your alliance and the rest of the vultures can pad their killboards and farm newbros for kills. If you truly cared about new players coming to EVE and making content for all of us on the long run, you would do something about the swarm of decs they got from the merc community and "PVP" groups.
What's happening now is loads of new people coming to eve, trying out some fleet fights without any knowledge of the basic game mechanics, proper FCing and/or proper skills/fits and getting killed left and right as soon as they undock. My guess is that more than half of them will not stick with EVE, as they are not allowed to make any progress, try different aspects of EVE, grow with skills points, make some isk, explore their options, etc.
Kudos to Arumba for bringing hundreds of new players to EVE, which sadly will not stay for long, but for everyone else, stop being such effin' hypocrites.
You are a bad person and bad things will happen to you. In game, of course :)
Well, maybe.
But really, stop being an asshat. Yes, most won't stay. But not because of any reasons you listed... EVE simply isn't a game for easymode types. Many will quit.
But many will stay, too. Whatever content they are dealing with at the moment is much better than running missions or freakin mining. You do the best in EVE when you start seeing pve as a means to pvp.... Not simply to make ISK for the sake of it. I'm going to drop an alt in. Maybe FC a few frig roams. Maybe show them how to fit with lower SP. Maybe guide a few into a training plan to get into their first AF....
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Razielkh
Intelligence Operation NetCorp Khaos Legion
23
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:46:19 -
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Leto Thule wrote: You are a bad person and bad things will happen to you. In game, of course :)
Well, maybe.
But really, stop being an asshat. Yes, most won't stay. But not because of any reasons you listed... EVE simply isn't a game for easymode types. Many will quit.
But many will stay, too. Whatever content they are dealing with at the moment is much better than running missions or freakin mining. You do the best in EVE when you start seeing pve as a means to pvp.... Not simply to make ISK for the sake of it. I'm going to drop an alt in. Maybe FC a few frig roams. Maybe show them how to fit with lower SP. Maybe guide a few into a training plan to get into their first AF....
I know I am a bad person ( in game, of course ), I kill people for money, and a lot of other things we shouldn't discuss in public.
I agree with everything you said. 100%, and you helping them will mean a lot to the newbros. As Omar said, teaching them how to protect themselves rather than protecting them is better for the long run. No discussion there.
As long as you are not the one killing them and trying to help them at the same time, like the OP. Hence my whole reply about hypocrisy. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
169
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:51:30 -
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Razielkh wrote:Leto Thule wrote: You are a bad person and bad things will happen to you. In game, of course :)
Well, maybe.
But really, stop being an asshat. Yes, most won't stay. But not because of any reasons you listed... EVE simply isn't a game for easymode types. Many will quit.
But many will stay, too. Whatever content they are dealing with at the moment is much better than running missions or freakin mining. You do the best in EVE when you start seeing pve as a means to pvp.... Not simply to make ISK for the sake of it. I'm going to drop an alt in. Maybe FC a few frig roams. Maybe show them how to fit with lower SP. Maybe guide a few into a training plan to get into their first AF....
I know I am a bad person ( in game, of course ), I kill people for money, and a lot of other things we shouldn't discuss in public. I agree with everything you said. 100%, and you helping them will mean a lot to the newbros. As Omar said, teaching them how to protect themselves rather than protecting them is better for the long run. No discussion there. As long as you are not the one killing them and trying to help them at the same time, like the OP. Hence my whole reply about hypocrisy.
you said: "What's happening now is loads of new people coming to eve, trying out some fleet fights without any knowledge of the basic game mechanics, proper FCing and/or proper skills/fits and getting killed left and right as soon as they undock."
Op says hey guys lets help these new bros find their way. Whats hypocritical about shooting at them while offering them advise? The best way to learn is by doing...
Will gank for food
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Razielkh
Intelligence Operation NetCorp Khaos Legion
23
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Posted - 2015.08.05 05:00:44 -
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Tarojan wrote:
Op says hey guys lets help these new bros find their way. Whats hypocritical about shooting at them while offering them advise? The best way to learn is by doing...
You are so cute and na+»ve. May I lick you? |
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
169
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Posted - 2015.08.05 05:13:48 -
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Razielkh wrote:Tarojan wrote:
Op says hey guys lets help these new bros find their way. Whats hypocritical about shooting at them while offering them advise? The best way to learn is by doing...
You are so cute and na+»ve. May I lick you?
Depends. Do you like raspberries and are you allergic to nuts?
Will gank for food
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
565
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Posted - 2015.08.05 05:23:28 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Do not throw isk at the corp. He gets 1 plex for every sub due to a buddy link and the corp at this point in time is not handing out ships. If time isn't your thing isk sent to Trosken Neirfallas will go to buying more t1 fit ships for them if you really really want but I'd rather time if you have it to spare :P Not fake edit: More ideally we could work on some fits and get them shipped in by rff or something because being on a hs island in aridia its a nightmare getting the bits for the ships atm
Hull tanked railgun catalysts and Derptrons (basically Atrons built around an MSE) have worked out well for Galmil.
Just remember to bring antimatter AND iron for the battalysts.
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pushdogg
Tell Your Mum To Call Me Cruis3rs Cr3w
50
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Posted - 2015.08.05 05:38:09 -
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Razielkh wrote:Yes, throw your alts in the corporation so your alliance and the rest of the vultures can pad their killboards and farm newbros for kills. If you truly cared about new players coming to EVE and making content for all of us on the long run, you would do something about the swarm of decs they got from the merc community and "PVP" groups.
What's happening now is loads of new people coming to eve, trying out some fleet fights without any knowledge of the basic game mechanics, proper FCing and/or proper skills/fits and getting killed left and right as soon as they undock. My guess is that more than half of them will not stick with EVE, as they are not allowed to make any progress, try different aspects of EVE, grow with skills points, make some isk, explore their options, etc.
Kudos to Arumba for bringing hundreds of new players to EVE, which sadly will not stay for long, but for everyone else, stop being such effin' hypocrites.
Either way.....content for everyone. Which is why I play.....and probably why they play. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1520
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Posted - 2015.08.05 06:35:10 -
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Razielkh wrote:Yes, throw your alts in the corporation so your alliance and the rest of the vultures can pad their killboards and farm newbros for kills. If you truly cared about new players coming to EVE and making content for all of us on the long run, you would do something about the swarm of decs they got from the merc community and "PVP" groups.
What's happening now is loads of new people coming to eve, trying out some fleet fights without any knowledge of the basic game mechanics, proper FCing and/or proper skills/fits and getting killed left and right as soon as they undock. My guess is that more than half of them will not stick with EVE, as they are not allowed to make any progress, try different aspects of EVE, grow with skills points, make some isk, explore their options, etc.
Kudos to Arumba for bringing hundreds of new players to EVE, which sadly will not stay for long, but for everyone else, stop being such effin' hypocrites. have you see how many decs have been dropped
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Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1520
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Posted - 2015.08.05 07:09:58 -
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So this devolved quickly. Trosken Neirfallas and Noragen Neirfallas my 2 main PvPers. I would like you too look at thier killboards for the last week and tell me if A you notice more or less kills on the newbros happening in the last week and B if I appear to be actively doing anything to help one side or the other.
I am providing as much PvP content through leading fleets and handing out free ships (I got a dreaded goon helping me produce and haul them atm huzar for goons ) to go and die in and maybe take somebody with them. The guys I've been taking killed a 1.5bil stratios today while I was asleep. I was so proud of them it was awesome and 2 used my free ships from the roam about 8-12 hours before the kill. Thanks Mags, Skippy and an anonymous doner for the donations so far Totaling to 550 mil isk and 200 frigates 100 fitted 100 not. Also thanks to the JF pilots helping the corp with cost price jumps to the island atm. Every ship will be used to die in. They may kill other ships too with luck but my only goal is newbies having fun and subbing. Anybody who doubts this get a toon into the corp and come on a fleet. They need as many people generating content for groups of corpies as possible. I can do lowsec roams and anti wardec fleets. If you want to show them nullsec or other aspects of eve (while the CEO isn't trying to organize content of course) then do it. Just remember the leadership is very proud and doesn't take criticism well so only offer advice to them when asked. otherwise just help the newbros
PS Marmite tried to kill my Fred main today
PSS Razielkh I challenge you to do more for the newbros corp then me or anybody else. Get in corp and get a helping
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13950
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Posted - 2015.08.05 07:27:43 -
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Razielkh wrote: Yes I agree, placing them in action and pvp rather than letting them bore themselves to death mining is much better.
One wonders where all your bitching is coming from, then. Apparently taking steps towards helping them is bad, and we should just get our hats in our hands and ask the people deccing them, with our eyes full of tears, to please leave those guys alone? Or what? Because aside from bitching about what other people are doing, I can't figure out what it is you're actually trying to say.
Quote:All I am saying is give them some slack. A moment to breathe, catch their breath, etc. Stomping them until they fall apart as soon as they started playing and making content leads nowhere. Think about the longer run, that's all. Maybe I am just crazy thinking that EVE could use more players...
Then quit complaining about what other people are doing, and do something yourself.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1521
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Posted - 2015.08.05 07:44:45 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Do not throw isk at the corp. He gets 1 plex for every sub due to a buddy link and the corp at this point in time is not handing out ships. If time isn't your thing isk sent to Trosken Neirfallas will go to buying more t1 fit ships for them if you really really want but I'd rather time if you have it to spare :P Not fake edit: More ideally we could work on some fits and get them shipped in by rff or something because being on a hs island in aridia its a nightmare getting the bits for the ships atm Hull tanked railgun catalysts and Derptrons (basically Atrons built around an MSE) have worked out well for Galmil. Just remember to bring antimatter AND iron for the battalysts. I'd be happy with them training a couple of core skills up and utilizing the t1 stuff well first
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13952
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Posted - 2015.08.05 07:50:42 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Do not throw isk at the corp. He gets 1 plex for every sub due to a buddy link and the corp at this point in time is not handing out ships. If time isn't your thing isk sent to Trosken Neirfallas will go to buying more t1 fit ships for them if you really really want but I'd rather time if you have it to spare :P Not fake edit: More ideally we could work on some fits and get them shipped in by rff or something because being on a hs island in aridia its a nightmare getting the bits for the ships atm Hull tanked railgun catalysts and Derptrons (basically Atrons built around an MSE) have worked out well for Galmil. Just remember to bring antimatter AND iron for the battalysts. I'd be happy with them training a couple of core skills up and utilizing the t1 stuff well first
I gave them some advice when they asked about it on reddit a week or so ago, but I did not follow up.
Did they ever start training a group to use ewar? That would be a good move on their part, since it's a force multiplier that is both non-dependent on huge amounts of skillpoints, and is scales well with numbers.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Don Purple
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1275
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Posted - 2015.08.05 07:58:48 -
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Oh my. This may be entertaining.
I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1521
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Posted - 2015.08.05 08:07:57 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Do not throw isk at the corp. He gets 1 plex for every sub due to a buddy link and the corp at this point in time is not handing out ships. If time isn't your thing isk sent to Trosken Neirfallas will go to buying more t1 fit ships for them if you really really want but I'd rather time if you have it to spare :P Not fake edit: More ideally we could work on some fits and get them shipped in by rff or something because being on a hs island in aridia its a nightmare getting the bits for the ships atm Hull tanked railgun catalysts and Derptrons (basically Atrons built around an MSE) have worked out well for Galmil. Just remember to bring antimatter AND iron for the battalysts. I'd be happy with them training a couple of core skills up and utilizing the t1 stuff well first I gave them some advice when they asked about it on reddit a week or so ago, but I did not follow up. Did they ever start training a group to use ewar? That would be a good move on their part, since it's a force multiplier that is both non-dependent on huge amounts of skillpoints, and is scales well with numbers. Their is no real direction ATM or organized content. Hence this thread. They don't take the usual criticism we give out and the way we do it. I've stayed out of that and focus on content providing instead.
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