Originally by: Tuco Santeriia

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Edited by: Tuco Santeriia on 05/12/2006 20:58:44
DECEMBER 5 POST PATCH SALVAGE ATTEMPT:

On the Level 2 mission "Smuggler Interception" (which may be a new mission, since I have never run it previously, and since it does not appear on www.eveinfo.com), I had the skill Salvaging 3 and used 6 Salvage Units on 18 wrecks of Sansha pirate spacecraft.

While 0 attempts were outright failures, 11 were successful salvage attempts that yielded no materials. However, there were 7 successful salvage attempts which yielded the following items:

2 Armor Plates
2 Contaminated Nanite Compounds
1 Charred Micro Circuit
1 Defective Current Pump
1 Tripped Power Circuit

Those results mirror other salvage attempts from after Revelations was deployed but before today's patch. See the details in this thread:

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=434162

This indicates that no changes have been made to the drop rate of salvage materials.

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CONCLUSION:

The patch is a serious disappointment as far as salvage is concerned. Other than a cosmetic change that shows which wrecks have been looted, there appears to be no discernible improvement to salvaging overall. The salvage system as-is is still a tedious bore - it took roughly 4 times as long to salvage the wrecks as it did to complete the mission. Moreover, the drop rate for salvage materials is appallingly low. The price of rig BPOs - about 130k - indicates that these are supposed to be common enhancements, as do rig slots on T1 ships. However, the drop rate simply won't be able to meet the supply required to make that a reality. As it stands, I sold some of the items listed above for 1.6 million ISK *each*, and roughly 300 of them are needed for a given T1 rig. When will anyone ever use these on a T1 ship, or any ship exposed to serious combat?


SUGGESTIONS:

1) Increase the salvage material drop rate
2) Create a single command that loots and activates all Salvage Units at one time. This will eliminate about 4-10 mouseclicks for each wreck to be salvaged. In the alternative, bring back jetcan drops for loot and distinguish them from wrecks for salvaging. A container should only exist if there is something inside it.
3) Do not spawn a wreck if there is no chance to salvage any materials from it. You never used to spawn empty jetcans after a ship exploded - why spawn a wreck if there's nothing inside it? If there is nothing to be salvaged at any skill level, simply do not spawn a wreck.

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Originally by: Pooh Flinger

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I am HERE!

And I am the only voice that matters! (to me at least)

Teh drones are borked. Don't know who tested the critters but they might just be worse off now than pre-patch.


Here is what I "think" is causing the "OMG!! My drones are not attacking anything!" issue.

First off, ya launch drones and tell them to attack target "A". They do just that. Once target "A" is dead they then go into "auto" mode and find something hostile to kill on their own. That's cool and highly acceptable.

I then decide that Target "C" is really laying the smack-down on thick so I want them to disengage all their current randomly chosen targets to now attack target "C". Just like good little drones, they all disengage and start on their way to target "C".

This is where several problems seem to occur.

1. Only some of the drones will actually make it to target "C". Some will peel off and start up their "random" kill routine again.

2. All of the drones actually make it to Target "C" but for whatever reason are NOT doing a bit of damage to that target. My guess is, the drones are orbiting target "C" but still targetting and shooting at whatever target they had randomly chosen before being sent to Target "C". The only way to fix this (that I know of) is to recall them and deploy them. This seems to wipe their old targeting data from memory and they will actually attack target "C" now.

3. They all will absolutely refuse to attack target "C". This usually happens to me when I need them to travel huge distances (40-60km) to attack a diferent target that is well within both targetting range and drone range. (current drone range is 80km and targeting is 90km in a myrmidon)

Currently, the best thing to do with drones to prevent the above is to let them do their own thing. I LOVE the fact that drones have enough AI to attack hostiles and PRAY that you do not make them as dumb as fighters. But on the same note, they should at least obey orders "most" of the time.

Your favorite Flinger,
Pooh

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Originally by: Andrue

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Corp and Local are back but now player channels seem to be broken.

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Originally by: Trishar

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t?


SUGGESTIONS:

1) Increase the salvage material drop rate

3) Do not spawn a wreck if there is no chance to salvage any materials from it. You never used to spawn empty jetcans after a ship exploded - why spawn a wreck if there's nothing inside it? If there is nothing to be salvaged at any skill level, simply do not spawn a wreck.

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Originally by: Shemar

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I would also like an answer from the devs regarding the ease with which missions can be disrupted and/or ruined. Let's start with the simple things:

Is this the way CCP plans to let things be? Is the ease of mission griefing a feature or just another failure to grap the consequences of major changes?

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Originally by: Yoshi Takeda

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Only one thing to fix this ....
make the mission runners (and his gang/fleet) invisible to scans or it become useless to run missions anywhere.

This is the last enjoyment if you are more interested in PvE than PvP and this way you clearly nerfed it.

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Originally by: Hamfast

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On the drones, I have not tested this, but I am thinking of doing a mission, not targeting anything, and seeing if my drones will kill everything for me... I do know that rats were being killed almost as fast as I could target them last night.

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