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Samurai1
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Flaming Lemming
odds are the uber-prices won't last too terribly long. I just flew 2 level 4 missions, wound up salvaging over 50 components from them, with salvage only at level 2. As more people take up salvaging, more components will come onto the market, and preice will fall...just give it time.
Ratting top level BSs in 0.0 (1.8m+ bounties) gives 2-4 components on avg. per wreck. Assuming I get exactly the components I need (highly unlikely) I'm looking at having to kill 300+ BS rats before I can make *one* rig. The pure man-hours that it takes to accomplish this is ridiculous.
Time is the single most expensive thing in Eve. If the time element isn't reduced, the prices won't decrease.
So some you find some you buy and if done quick sell the manufactured item at twice the cost.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag
i would also add the cost of rigs being sold is irrelevant if u make ur own and fit them to your own ships
In other news, minerals you mine yourself are free!
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Xsag
i would also add the cost of rigs being sold is irrelevant if u make ur own and fit them to your own ships
In other news, minerals you mine yourself are free!
you may mock / flame me but it seems to be something alot of posters on this thread are overlooking......hence why i mention it........
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:49:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Gonada
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:51:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Xsag
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Xsag
i would also add the cost of rigs being sold is irrelevant if u make ur own and fit them to your own ships
In other news, minerals you mine yourself are free!
you may mock / flame me but it seems to be something alot of posters on this thread are overlooking......hence why i mention it........
/me laughs at you hard
I love to buy goods from people like you so I can get my minerals below market cost. 
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:51:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Xsag
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Xsag
i would also add the cost of rigs being sold is irrelevant if u make ur own and fit them to your own ships
In other news, minerals you mine yourself are free!
you may mock / flame me but it seems to be something alot of posters on this thread are overlooking......hence why i mention it........
You know there's a reason most people work their jobs rather then build their own houses, even though they probably could do it...
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Lag Hon
Minmatar
Lag Hon Security
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:55:00 -
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Just keep on Missioning/Ratting, looting and salvaging. Stockpile every salvaged part you get in your hangar. Before too long you will have a lot of materials that you wont need for the rigs you want but they can be sold/traded to pay someone else for the materials they have and dont need for their rigs but you will want. Hmm maybe Eve should have a market system where you can sell what you dont want to pay for what you do want.
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:06:00 -
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I think rigs are suppose to be made by co-operation.
All these people that say "It took me 3747394 man hours to get the components for one rig" arnt really telling it as it is, maybe the salvaging is something that should be done as well as mission running/ chaining 0.0 spawns.
If you just kill stuff like usual and salvage on the side you wont be wasting much time at all.
If it takes you 5 hours of ratting in 0.0 to get 100 compoinents you havnt wasted time collecting them, youve been grinding as well.
Give it time and stop whinging.
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Uggster
Caldari
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Rare ??? The dam BPO's is available to everyone ...
I'm tired of watching EVE flooded with "rare items" ....
Rare HACS ...
Rare faction stuff ...
Rare Official stuff ...
NOW...
ETC
Contridiction in terms.
The prices will stabalize when more items come on the market through saturation of people that have and use the salvage skill.
The other items you mentioned dont.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 06/12/2006 12:20:05
I think rigs suck. They take way to many man hours per rig.
The T2 rigs should be really hard to get. But the T1s should take about 10%-20% the time to make that they do now.
EDIT: Tehy drop rate is fine is probably ok - I dont mind rigs requiring a lot of killing. Its the collection rate. It just takes so much time that even at these pricees you earn more isk by killing more for bounties than by stopping to get the components.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Khyle
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Xsag
i would also add the cost of rigs being sold is irrelevant if u make ur own and fit them to your own ships
In other news, minerals you mine yourself are free!
Crumplecorn, you are a comedic genius  , best retort to a post like that ever.
In other news people in eve who have no grasp for the phrase opportunity cost aka economic cost make my life a lot cheaper  , though if i try to sell stuff i could cry at times.
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Caedicus
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:25:00 -
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I do level 3 missions and fit two salvagers on my Cyclone. I get about 1-2million on top of each mission I do for salvaging. This might not be a lot for level 4 mission runners. But I think many newbs are going to start salvaging as there is alot of money to made without needing lots of skills or badass ships. I predict the cost of parts will go down significantly within the next few weeks.
Evolution in Eve:
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rayvonuk
I think rigs are suppose to be made by co-operation.
All these people that say "It took me 3747394 man hours to get the components for one rig" arnt really telling it as it is, maybe the salvaging is something that should be done as well as mission running/ chaining 0.0 spawns.
If you just kill stuff like usual and salvage on the side you wont be wasting much time at all.
If it takes you 5 hours of ratting in 0.0 to get 100 compoinents you havnt wasted time collecting them, youve been grinding as well.
Give it time and stop whinging.
There is 1 major problem with this argument (though it does have merit):
Supply and Demand. It doesn't matter if rigs effectively cost 1 ISK to make, if there is a limited supply, and a large demand, they will cost a lot. See also: HACs.
And when it comes to Supply, the length of time needed to make them plays a big part, even if you gather the required materials in the course of your normal activities.
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Beringe
Caldari
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:30:00 -
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Relax. Oveur said they're looking into it.
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Mr dummy
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
The sheer manhours required to get the number of units of salvage materials will ensure that the prices continue to remain extremely high.
No, it wont. The requirement to salvage have been lowered from over a week's training time, to about 2 days. Right now, damn-few people have the skills to salvage. In a week or so, I suspect most people will have it. In a month, the market is going to be flooded with cheap rig components.
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jet Collins on 06/12/2006 16:45:15
Currently the only problems I see with salvaging and rigs are:
1) The skills where just nerfed so everyone and there mother will be doing it because its to easy to aquire now.
2) Some materials are droped much more often than others. (This maybe exceptbale if: Ok there are 3 differnet materials needed to build one rig.
- 1 materials is in one regions and the other 2 matials are in other regions so you have to travel around to get your materials, fine.
- Some materials are just suppost to be more difficult to get to make rigs rare
. . (if either of the above are the case or a combination of both that is ok with me well.)
3) Last problem is that to many wreaks paticularly mission/complex NPCs drop nothing at all waisting alot of time salvaging for nothing. (I feel that all wreaks should produce something. Maybe of the 3 materials needed to build a rig one of those 3 you almost always find in a wreak where as the other materials are much more difficult to come by.
Other than that i'm ok with the situation.
Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!!
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DefJam101
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4390/smallfiddlexs3.jpg Links not images please. thanks hutch.
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Dra0cht
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
reading this thread... i am missing something I think.
People are saying it should be difficult to produce Rigs etc... but I thought CCP introduced rigs to make ships variable, to mean that battles wouldn't be interchangeable, that everytime you appraoched a fight, knowing the ship wouldnt mean knowing how to beat it.
If rigs arent for the masses, only for the elite and rich (of which I am one) then this doesnt change the game at all, this just makes the difference between my ships (the rich guy) and your ships (the poor guy) even bigger, already my 1 billion isk clones and officer/rare modules seperate us, now more seperation???
I for one do not want to see this happen... they should be available to the masses, no more expensive than modules, everyone should have rigs attached to their ships, and at last we may see an evolution in PvP.... it would certainly brighten up the Corp Championships if nothing else.
There you have it folks, from one of the oldest (IG ) and most experienced EVE peeps there is!
Of course rigs are meant for everyone to use! So there is even more variety in every aspect of the game!
As it is there's only a small minority of players who have the skills/abilities/resources to take each other on head to head, and as EddZ seems to imply, he wants MORE challenging PvP, with MORE risk, and hence a lot more fun...
Good man EddZ, thx for making the most obvious point possible about rigs, from the perspective of someone who is not an elitist, and wants the galaxy to be a more dangerous and exciting place to hang out 
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Oliver Singh
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Posted - 2006.12.06 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Death Priest
Think about it People.
#1 Eve needs a Isk siphon.
#2.CCP sells time Codes.
#3.People buy timecodes for ISK.
#4.Isk is used to buy Rigs
#5.Win Win for CCP = Good Business/High Real Cash Profit.
Errr...
CCP sells time codes for real money. People then resell these timecodes for ISK. That, at least, was how it was last time I checked.
No ISK enters or leaves the economy in this manner. :)
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.12.06 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: NATMav on 06/12/2006 17:30:16
CCP finally made it possible to kill rats & perform a mining-like operation at the same time, and people are complaining? If the component cost is so high, go salvage and sell and make loads of ISK now so you can buy loads of rigs when the prices fall after the "OMG New Item!" effect wears off.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?
Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
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axels2000
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.06 17:51:00 -
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Last time I checked corp hangar we had a few hundred little thingies that I have never seen before. I am pretty sure we will start equiping our fleet with the buggers. I even heard we already started
300+ BS for one rig? With a hundred member corp that's one day in Paragon S.. erhm doing missions in Kihtaled rather. Actually a few per day. As long as you work in a corp where Hangar Na-zi is in command.
Everyone get at least one rig in 100 days. The difference is that with corp work 50 people will have one in 50 days, while if you work alone, 100 peopple will have 0 rigs in 99 days. And then boom, total happiness in 100 days for everyone.
The trouble is you may not live long enough because you have been obliterated from the faces of a region by gangs of elite forces flying rigs for the past 99 days. Well all except last noob who was giving all his drops to the corp hangar. What a looser.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.12.06 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Serapis Aote on 06/12/2006 18:22:27
Originally by: Oveur
Wait for the market to settle and the salvaging improvements in next patch to hit.
#7
Could we get an indication from you guys on what you want out of rigs.
Are they something meant to be on most ships (meaing if you fly a cruiser it doesnt cost you 3x your ship for each rig)
Or are they meant to be like other t1 modules on rigs where the cost is pretty reasonable and everyone can fit them.
Because if they are 30mil per t1 rig then thats a bit pricey for cruisers and darn right ridiculous for frigs.
A bit more acceptable for BS and capitals.
It seemed from all the stuff pre-kali, you guys wanted us to use these things.
But not many people are going to fly around in 6 million isk ships with 150 mil in uninsurable rigs...like the original poster pointed out, only the rich can afford that.
What is the thing everyone tells you when your first start eve..."Dont fly what you cannot afford to lose."
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