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Sywonou Maerl	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:06:00 - [1] Good day, I was wondering what the pre-concived notion of ransoming are. Especially the part about it being ethical or not to ransom the same person over multiple system. Let me explain. Customer leaves system 1 into system 2. Gets ransomed, pays and is not destroyed. Leaves system 2 and enters system 3 where he is ransommed again by the same corp, but different pilots. I would like people to share their thoughts on if it's concidered griefing, or if a ransom per solarsystem is acceptable. Or is is limited to one ransom per region?
David Koresch Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:12:00 - [2] Ransom however much you like. Ive ransomed someone, then asked for more before i let them go. --------------------------------- Carebearin' in a hi-sec near you!
Shrivva Caldari R.U.D.E.	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:12:00 - [3] The only thing that 'limits' the amount of times you ransom one and the same person as a corp on the same day (or even hour) is your position on social behaviour. I personally let them be once I had em that day. Should I however meet him/her the next day in a fresh ship its on again (unless somehow you've befriended that person which on occasion happens). Basically, the choice is yours. ----------- "The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great-grandfather was a pirate." -----------
Hunter C8 Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:13:00 - [4] Originally by: David Koresch Ransom however much you like. Ive ransomed someone, then asked for more before i let them go. Ebil, ebil piwate... ------- Red Storm Vendetta Recruiting!
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Hunter C8 Originally by: David Koresch Ransom however much you like. Ive ransomed someone, then asked for more before i let them go. Ebil, ebil piwate... That I am --- Praxiteles Inc. is Recruiting!
Sywonou Maerl	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:26:00 - [6] Right, that's what I thought as well. I did notice that there seems to be a whole understanding about non-written "ransom behaviors" going around, and I didn't want to destroy its sanctity. I'll stick to one ransom per system per pilot then. Thank you for your inputs.
Hunter C8 Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Sywonou Maerl Right, that's what I thought as well. I did notice that there seems to be a whole understanding about non-written "ransom behaviors" going around, and I didn't want to destroy its sanctity. I'll stick to one ransom per system per pilot then. Thank you for your inputs. Quite an honorable decision, have fun ransoming ------- Red Storm Vendetta Recruiting!
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:39:00 - [8] As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. VETO FOR HIRE
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Verone As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. let me guess... If I'm flying around, I should always have friends with me who outnumber and outgun any possible combination of ships we might run across, so that when we run across them, we either wtfpwn them or ransom them over and over again - instead of any of that happenning to us. Got it.
Naiko NakataH SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.12.06 20:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Verone As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. let me guess... If I'm flying around, I should always have friends with me who outnumber and outgun any possible combination of ships we might run across, so that when we run across them, we either wtfpwn them or ransom them over and over again - instead of any of that happenning to us. Got it. You would think that if he has been ransomed by the same guy twice 3 hours ago and then see's him jump into the system he would be smart enough to dock or SS then instead of sitting in a belt like a lemon..
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Agent Li let me guess. If I'm flying around, I should always have friends with me who outnumber and outgun any possible combination of ships we might run across, so that when we run across them, we either wtfpwn them or ransom them over and over again - instead of any of that happenning to us. Got it. I was flying solo. take your trolling elsewhere, alt. Originally by: Naiko NakataH You would think that if he has been ransomed by the same guy twice 3 hours ago and then see's him jump into the system he would be smart enough to dock or SS then instead of sitting in a belt like a lemon.. Never underestimate the stupidity of people in Eve. VETO FOR HIRE
Rumorsky Gallente Panzershrek	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:31:00 - [12] They can do it how every they like mostly, They just need to hold up to it and not blow you, Not saying.. Someone else in the same corp might come and along and blow you up.
Samurai1	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Verone As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. I dont understand he paid 3 times? if so wasnt you slightly curious to what he might of had fitted?
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:53:00 - [14] Dont get caught, if you get caught hope they ransome you and pay, if you are ransomed and let go don't be stupid enough to get caught again! Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Jirai Grepher Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:23:00 - [15] They are cattle. Cattle are ment to be harvested. Some give more milk then others. milk them for everything. Cattle that don't provide milk are eaten for supper that night.
Jane Vladmir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Jirai Grepher They are cattle. Cattle are ment to be harvested. Some give more milk then others. milk them for everything. Cattle that don't provide milk are eaten for supper that night. bingo
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Verone As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. I'm so uber.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: Verone As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. I'm so uber. You are a discrace giving those who ransom bad names Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: Verone As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. I'm so uber. Merry Christmas to you too. VETO FOR HIRE
Kesslan Osefice Panther's Paw Industries Ltd	Posted - 2006.12.07 04:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Lord Frost I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. I'm so uber. See people like you are why so few people are willing to pay ransom in the first place. Actions like this are why so many people these days simply respond with the attitude that your just a liar and are going to blowup/pod anyway no matter how much is paid. ___ This space for rent! ___ Yay we finally have a forum: http://pantherspaw.freehostia.com/
Jirai Grepher Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.07 05:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Jirai Grepher on 07/12/2006 05:38:44 double post...
Jirai Grepher Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.07 05:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: Verone As long as you let them go when they pay, all is good. I've ransomed a guy, waited out my 15 min flag timer and docked to drop off some loot, undocked scanned a ship in a belt and warped in and seen it was him, still in the same system, and ransomed him again, then seen him 2 systems away 3 hours later and ransomed him again. He was let go all three times, and learned a lesson. I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. I'm so uber. people like you ruin ransoming for honest do badders...
Kesslan Osefice Panther's Paw Industries Ltd	Posted - 2006.12.07 05:46:00 - [23] This sort of brings to mind the whole thing of Ransoming again, why pirates dont do it, why ransomees dont pay it etc. Its a very common complaint from both sides of the fence. Personally I wound up developing the policy that unless I know I can actually trust said piratically inclined personage to honour the bargain. I'm not going to bother paying a ransom. Which will likely lead eventually some day to some one actually ransoming me and having to blow me up anyway (Though I've still never once had anyone even try to ransom me) I suppose it all comes down to proving that while your piratical scum of EVE. You are trustworthy and 'honourable' piratical scum of EVE. Because there will -allways- be those you simply cant trust with so much as a exotic dancer. Because they will lie to steal even that little bit from you. ___ This space for rent! ___ Yay we finally have a forum: http://pantherspaw.freehostia.com/
Hunter C8 Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.07 07:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Hunter C8 on 07/12/2006 07:25:57 Originally by: Lord Frost I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. I'm so uber. ****er ------- Red Storm Vendetta Recruiting!
Belhorn Battlebeard Turbulent	Posted - 2006.12.07 10:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Lord Frost I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. I'm so uber. Why would you admit to this on the forums? You're a disgrace mate, I get the feeling I'm not alone in my thoughts either, so thanks for giving us an even worse name as pirates. To the O/P - If myself or my corp ransom someone, they would generally be safe for the remainder of the day, but the question of if it was different members of the same corp in a different system, that's a good one. I'm not sure on that, it depends on the corp really. At the end of the day though, ransoms should be realistic (depending on the target) and honoured.
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:07:00 - [26] yeah someone ransomed me once they popped me and picked up all my tier one cr@p - didnt pay because i had no way of knowing he was good on his word - posts like the above highlight that point ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.07 17:21:00 - [27] There's no real incentive besides not being a terrible person and building a bad reputation to not taking ransom and killing the person anyways. If you're in position to ransom, do whatever you want, just know that you'll pay the consequences, word may get around you don't keep your word, you may get war-decced by some do-gooders hired to get rid of you etc etc. Or it may just make you feel like a ****ty person, but besides that, no reason you couldn't ransom and then pop the player.
pshepherd Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Lord Frost I ransomed a guy once, he paid me 50 mil to save his hulk, then I proceeded to shoot him into hull... then I ransomed him for more... he gave me another 50mil... then I blew him up. Really freak'in evil Grats on having the balls to share though.
Maximillian Pele Caldari Jewel Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.08 05:20:00 - [29] One day I hope to get ransomed just so I can tick the "been there, done that" box. While I realise that ransoming tends to be, shall we say, tense, the person being ransomed should ask extactly what the ransom is getting them. Is it just to that pirate, or his corp? Is it pay and I'll count to ten and if your still here, pay again - ie what time limit? Base your decision to pay on what you get - no point paying pirate A if pirate B from the same corp ganks you or ransoms you immediately. If you make a counter offer, again get confirmation that the pirate accepts the ransom or it may be treated as a tip. The same applies to 1 vs 1s - get it confirmed, don't assume. Once the deal is struck - take a screen shot. If the ransomer breaks his word, contact his CEO and give the details of what was agreed. 9/10 times any respectable corp will deal with the matter. If they don't, then come here and name and shame. That way anyone who bothers to read EvE-O will know not to pay them or their corp in the future. Though I can foresee a time when everyone in EvE will need to travel with their attorneys. In times of doubt I ask myself "What would BoB do?", and then do the opposite.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.12.08 05:22:00 - [30] i think lord frost's post is sarcasm, he has been very anti-piracy in the past, so whatever Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?

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