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Travis050 Blue Nebula Networks Lacuna Viators Imperium	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:32:00 - [1] My dad certainly thinks so... I just barely got back to eve after he made me quit 3months ago :X... and now we are back to the old arguement: WTF have you learned out of eve it is a waste of time.. Especially tonight... after finishing a freaken 3hour report I go on EvE for 30min and wtf do I get... ya you guessed it.. OMGOMGOMG how long have you been on that.... how long have you been on that since I resubscribed(and btw I pay ,but he usues his credit card). So I said 30min... " oh Ya thats BS you have been there atleast an hour" :X so, then I really cant argue and just left lol... well what can I say im confused....
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:40:00 - [2] Originally by: Travis050 My dad certainly thinks so... I just barely got back to eve after he made me quit 3months ago :X... and now we are back to the old arguement: WTF have you learned out of eve it is a waste of time.. Especially tonight... after finishing a freaken 3hour report I go on EvE for 30min and wtf do I get... ya you guessed it.. OMGOMGOMG how long have you been on that.... how long have you been on that since I resubscribed(and btw I pay ,but he usues his credit card). So I said 30min... " oh Ya thats BS you have been there atleast an hour" :X so, then I really cant argue and just left lol... well what can I say im confused.... Eve fufills one of the many needs required to remain mentally balanced. If you are enjoyining it then your need for entertainment is filled not to mention your need for social interaction is filled through eve though rl is also nice Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Norvys Kerens Gallente Terror Knights	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 07/12/2006 02:53:03 Buy your dad an account, he'll soon learn to love Eve btw does your dad watch TV? Unless everything he watches is documentary then he's wasting his time even more than you are cause TV is just observation without the interaction whereas eve demands your attention and input from you. In fact even if everything he watches is documentaries and news then he's still wasting his time. Knowledge is pretty useless unless you're actually going to put it to practical use, it doesn't do any good just sitting in your head.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Norvys Kerens Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 07/12/2006 02:53:03 Buy your dad an account, he'll soon learn to love Eve btw does your dad watch TV? Unless everything he watches is documentary then he's wasting his time even more than you are cause TV is just observation without the interaction whereas eve demands your attention and input from you. In fact even if everything he watches is documentaries and news then he's still wasting his time. Knowledge is pretty useless unless you're actually going to put it to practical use, it doesn't do any good just sitting in your head. Looks like she's gonna serve up some pwnage with a side of wtf owned to your dad lol Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:31:00 - [5] ask if the next time if there is any point to entertainment/relaxation in our lives? then threaten to take away his TV :)
Enotz Terminus Est Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:33:00 - [6] Point out everything you can learn from MMOs. Money Management, making cash, social interaction (more importantly in eve, Politics), math. You have no idea how much math you can apply to MMOs.
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:40:00 - [7] Or just move into your own house, that worked for me!
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 04:48:00 - [8] Walk into his room at like 3 in the morning and just go "WTF ARE YOU DOING SLEEPING??? How long have you been doing that? Quit wasting your damn time!" and walk away.
Tarpatch	Posted - 2006.12.07 05:16:00 - [9] Just the fact that your father is actually arguing with you about an MMORPG tells us a lot about him. He's got issues. And you have nothing to do with it. Your options are clearly: Ignore him and go on with your life or Do as he says so he won't be too upset. Good luck either way ____________________________________________ Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Benglada Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.07 06:13:00 - [10] haha dad walks in room 50% im playing eve 25% im in bed with someone 25% im on the computer with myself. Needless to say my dad doesent fancy the chances when he looks in on me. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.

F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 06:21:00 - [11] Just tell him that he can either give you the money for Eve each month, or one movie + food each week. He'll quickly see the wisdom of going with Eve then. Originally by: Troy Knight [After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
Mar Idoun Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.12.07 07:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Mar Idoun on 07/12/2006 07:25:41 there's probably a different perspective on technology that you and your dad have; a generation gap, essentially. My parents watch TV, read newspapers, magazines and use the phone a lot more than I do. However, how my parents and I spend our free times hardly differs. While my dad reads the local/regional paper, i'm on news aggregate sites like Fark or Digg and exploring online publications of traditional media like the NY or LA times and especially Chinese newspapers like Xinhua and China/Shanghai Daily. While my mom watches CSI i play Eve or something else. It's taken quite a while for them to see how what I'm doing isn't different then what they are doing, but hopefully your dad will come around to it. I've actually written a pretty long Thesis on the use of Computer Mediated Communication within virtual environments, specifically Eve and the players and technology that create the community, it's really interesting stuff if you're a research student in the Sociology department in your Uni and your methods Prof is enlightened and open enough to know the impact of such interaction (He actually suggested the topic to me).
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 10:32:00 - [13] I learned little bits of Swedish while playing Eve (swear words, but don't point that out to your dad) Tell him it's either Eve or ******, and see what he prefers!
soonsvavzface	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:47:00 - [14] Edited by: soonsvavzface on 07/12/2006 11:48:40
Svavz Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:48:00 - [15] lol, my dad plays eve =) used to be in the same corp lol. he thinks its one of the better things ive found in computer games :¦ you learn to be pacient in the game :¦ Biggest black and death metal fan in iceland
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:50:00 - [16] Some pro arguments for EVE: - trains your english skills (that allways counts for something) - its certainly more interresting than TV - getting into "bad" company is not very likely - its cheap compared to most other hobbys, i certainly spend more for one evening playing billard with my friends and thats without taking beer into account - do a direct comparison to your dads mayor hobby, its a pretty good bet that you will come out on top. Certain win if hes a football fan (come on, grown men running after a ball?????). - Oh and another favorit to counter is the "get out in the fresh air" argument is by showing them the air polution data etc. If that doesnt work get out and start playing soccer or even better baseball in the garden (preferably a friends) and crash a few windows "accidently" that should get the message across for sure. Im pretty happy that i pay for EVE on my own and only have my GF *****ing about the time i spend with EVE. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:26:00 - [17] Games are entertainment, they don't have to have any benefits other than entertaining you. But Eve does anyway. Learning anything you don't absolutely need to know is a waste of time, give it less than a century and you'll be dead anyway, and what good will your knowledge do you then? People who spend all their time learning, studying, 'improving themselves' either do it because it entertains them on some level, or they are wasting their lives. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:38:00 - [18] If you're having fun you're not wasting your time. What you're actually doing is largely irrelevant. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Tokar Lorell Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:43:00 - [19] Heh, tell him you're giving up EVE and doing drugs instead. Maybe he'll get it and stfu. Either way your dad sounds like a tit, I'm sure there's plenty of crap he does that's also a waste of time. ---------- Originally by: Joe Evertime i sell a mwd I unleash true pvp power?
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Travis050 Annoying Father You will simply have to compose yourself to counter any of his points. If he complains you have been on for a certain period of time, ask him in return what he has been doing for the last 3 hours whilst you were doing your homework. If he complains that Eve has no benefit to you, argue that you meet new people everyday across the world and find out something different about other cultures etc. The good old arguement that TV is the same only without interaction is true but also you can argue that your Father that TV is more unhealthy than PCs because they have a higher radiation output (although this only applies if you use a TFT monitor against a Tube or CRT television, not flat screen tvs). I am 20 and I have been arguing with my parents for years about the benefits of my mainstream form of entertainment being the PC and theirs being the TV. It has always come down to the point that they watch the TV in the dark, I play my PC in a well lit room, hence I do not watch TV with them as I value my eyesight. (tunnel vision anyone?) -------------- Dang nabit

Uggster Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:50:00 - [21] Basically do this. Crash your dads car while being drunk with a load of mates and then a night on the computer wont look so bad to him. _______________________________________________ Sig removed as inappropriate- Tirg Story of my life that one :(
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:03:00 - [22] Sorry but that's some ******* father you have right there, what is he now living vicariously through you? Tell him everything is a waste of time if you're not making babies and even then you still is going to die and no you can't keep all the money you made pulling overtime at work.
Donna Darko	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:20:00 - [23] Edited by: Donna Darko on 07/12/2006 15:20:36 Heh :) I had the same argument for a few good years about games in general with my father, until one day I got really ****ed and took this to an extreme. I went to the library, asked the lady there to help me find psychology books/articles/etc. that deal with child development and the role games play in that. Gather all this data, and start writing a paper on this. If you make it serious, complete with quotes and references (the librarian can help you structure your paper too), and you include some of the specifics of EVE (i.e. economy, money management, learning to solve problems with the tools you have, etc. there's more examples above), you'll probably shut your father up forever. It certainly worked for me, he has never bugged me about games ever since. P.S. It will be worth your time to do a paper on this, trust me. If nothing else, you'll realize how games affect development :) Stories.
Stubnitz Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.07 16:04:00 - [24] What a shame Me and my son both play and are in the same corp. our relationship has always been good but since we both started playing eve it has blossomed. As long as all your school work is completed etc etc i cant see the problem tbh.. Sigs and banners
Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 16:30:00 - [25] I thought this was going to be another one of those "wah wah i lost my ship i quit" type posts. I think it would be a good idea to get him to try it, I bet that would work :) On another note, this game is EXCELLENT at showing how economic supply in demand work in a free market. There are even market history charts you can look at for study. Products people want, pricing based on supply (as in Rokhs costing 350 million ISK when they first came out and seeing people buy them), and little to no GM market maintaining. There is also a thread in OOP about a guy who learned about some chemistry stuff and it helped him pass his class because he played EVE. But the very best example of something that EVE can teach you is leadership. For example, in order to be a fleet commander of a very large group of ships you have to be able to manage people effectively in order to be really effective. And, as anyone will tell you, REAL leadership skills will make you more successful than a doctorate in any field. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 16:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Originally by: Travis050 Annoying Father You will simply have to compose yourself to counter any of his points. If he complains you have been on for a certain period of time, ask him in return what he has been doing for the last 3 hours whilst you were doing your homework. If he complains that Eve has no benefit to you, argue that you meet new people everyday across the world and find out something different about other cultures etc. The good old arguement that TV is the same only without interaction is true but also you can argue that your Father that TV is more unhealthy than PCs because they have a higher radiation output (although this only applies if you use a TFT monitor against a Tube or CRT television, not flat screen tvs). I am 20 and I have been arguing with my parents for years about the benefits of my mainstream form of entertainment being the PC and theirs being the TV. It has always come down to the point that they watch the TV in the dark, I play my PC in a well lit room, hence I do not watch TV with them as I value my eyesight. (tunnel vision anyone?) Every time I try to counter argue with my dad I get a stfu damn superiority complex lol Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Travis050 Blue Nebula Networks Lacuna Viators Imperium	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:13:00 - [27] Heh, thx for help so far but his new argument shifted to OMG a thousand hours... I found out that since I started eve in April 05!!!!! I have only done 1000hours altogether.... soo I try to tell him that is less then an hour a day and he just continues OMG a thousand hours... He cant really say I dont get freash air because seriously its freaken 15 degress outside ,I will freeze.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:57:00 - [28] Eve, A waste of time? yes ... i am WIERCHAS i am like UBER and stuff
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:23:00 - [29] Your dad sounds like a*****monkey, end him imo. Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Annya Avishnaya O.P.T	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Norvys Kerens Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 07/12/2006 02:53:03 Buy your dad an account, he'll soon learn to love Eve btw does your dad watch TV? Unless everything he watches is documentary then he's wasting his time even more than you are cause TV is just observation without the interaction whereas eve demands your attention and input from you. In fact even if everything he watches is documentaries and news then he's still wasting his time. Knowledge is pretty useless unless you're actually going to put it to practical use, it doesn't do any good just sitting in your head. Win. Originally by: Uggster Basically do this. Crash your dads car while being drunk with a load of mates and then a night on the computer wont look so bad to him. Win x2 Meh, I don't see the problem either as long as you're doing your homework.



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