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Travis050 Blue Nebula Networks Lacuna Viators Imperium	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:32:00 - [1] My dad certainly thinks so... I just barely got back to eve after he made me quit 3months ago :X... and now we are back to the old arguement: WTF have you learned out of eve it is a waste of time.. Especially tonight... after finishing a freaken 3hour report I go on EvE for 30min and wtf do I get... ya you guessed it.. OMGOMGOMG how long have you been on that.... how long have you been on that since I resubscribed(and btw I pay ,but he usues his credit card). So I said 30min... " oh Ya thats BS you have been there atleast an hour" :X so, then I really cant argue and just left lol... well what can I say im confused....
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:40:00 - [2] Originally by: Travis050 My dad certainly thinks so... I just barely got back to eve after he made me quit 3months ago :X... and now we are back to the old arguement: WTF have you learned out of eve it is a waste of time.. Especially tonight... after finishing a freaken 3hour report I go on EvE for 30min and wtf do I get... ya you guessed it.. OMGOMGOMG how long have you been on that.... how long have you been on that since I resubscribed(and btw I pay ,but he usues his credit card). So I said 30min... " oh Ya thats BS you have been there atleast an hour" :X so, then I really cant argue and just left lol... well what can I say im confused.... Eve fufills one of the many needs required to remain mentally balanced. If you are enjoyining it then your need for entertainment is filled not to mention your need for social interaction is filled through eve though rl is also nice Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Norvys Kerens Gallente Terror Knights	Posted - 2006.12.07 02:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 07/12/2006 02:53:03 Buy your dad an account, he'll soon learn to love Eve btw does your dad watch TV? Unless everything he watches is documentary then he's wasting his time even more than you are cause TV is just observation without the interaction whereas eve demands your attention and input from you. In fact even if everything he watches is documentaries and news then he's still wasting his time. Knowledge is pretty useless unless you're actually going to put it to practical use, it doesn't do any good just sitting in your head.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Norvys Kerens Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 07/12/2006 02:53:03 Buy your dad an account, he'll soon learn to love Eve btw does your dad watch TV? Unless everything he watches is documentary then he's wasting his time even more than you are cause TV is just observation without the interaction whereas eve demands your attention and input from you. In fact even if everything he watches is documentaries and news then he's still wasting his time. Knowledge is pretty useless unless you're actually going to put it to practical use, it doesn't do any good just sitting in your head. Looks like she's gonna serve up some pwnage with a side of wtf owned to your dad lol Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:31:00 - [5] ask if the next time if there is any point to entertainment/relaxation in our lives? then threaten to take away his TV :)
Enotz Terminus Est Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:33:00 - [6] Point out everything you can learn from MMOs. Money Management, making cash, social interaction (more importantly in eve, Politics), math. You have no idea how much math you can apply to MMOs.
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.07 03:40:00 - [7] Or just move into your own house, that worked for me!
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 04:48:00 - [8] Walk into his room at like 3 in the morning and just go "WTF ARE YOU DOING SLEEPING??? How long have you been doing that? Quit wasting your damn time!" and walk away.
Tarpatch	Posted - 2006.12.07 05:16:00 - [9] Just the fact that your father is actually arguing with you about an MMORPG tells us a lot about him. He's got issues. And you have nothing to do with it. Your options are clearly: Ignore him and go on with your life or Do as he says so he won't be too upset. Good luck either way ____________________________________________ Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Benglada Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.07 06:13:00 - [10] haha dad walks in room 50% im playing eve 25% im in bed with someone 25% im on the computer with myself. Needless to say my dad doesent fancy the chances when he looks in on me. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 06:21:00 - [11] Just tell him that he can either give you the money for Eve each month, or one movie + food each week. He'll quickly see the wisdom of going with Eve then. Originally by: Troy Knight [After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
Mar Idoun Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.12.07 07:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Mar Idoun on 07/12/2006 07:25:41 there's probably a different perspective on technology that you and your dad have; a generation gap, essentially. My parents watch TV, read newspapers, magazines and use the phone a lot more than I do. However, how my parents and I spend our free times hardly differs. While my dad reads the local/regional paper, i'm on news aggregate sites like Fark or Digg and exploring online publications of traditional media like the NY or LA times and especially Chinese newspapers like Xinhua and China/Shanghai Daily. While my mom watches CSI i play Eve or something else. It's taken quite a while for them to see how what I'm doing isn't different then what they are doing, but hopefully your dad will come around to it. I've actually written a pretty long Thesis on the use of Computer Mediated Communication within virtual environments, specifically Eve and the players and technology that create the community, it's really interesting stuff if you're a research student in the Sociology department in your Uni and your methods Prof is enlightened and open enough to know the impact of such interaction (He actually suggested the topic to me).
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 10:32:00 - [13] I learned little bits of Swedish while playing Eve (swear words, but don't point that out to your dad) Tell him it's either Eve or ******, and see what he prefers!
soonsvavzface	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:47:00 - [14] Edited by: soonsvavzface on 07/12/2006 11:48:40
Svavz Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:48:00 - [15] lol, my dad plays eve =) used to be in the same corp lol. he thinks its one of the better things ive found in computer games :¦ you learn to be pacient in the game :¦ Biggest black and death metal fan in iceland
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:50:00 - [16] Some pro arguments for EVE: - trains your english skills (that allways counts for something) - its certainly more interresting than TV - getting into "bad" company is not very likely - its cheap compared to most other hobbys, i certainly spend more for one evening playing billard with my friends and thats without taking beer into account - do a direct comparison to your dads mayor hobby, its a pretty good bet that you will come out on top. Certain win if hes a football fan (come on, grown men running after a ball?????). - Oh and another favorit to counter is the "get out in the fresh air" argument is by showing them the air polution data etc. If that doesnt work get out and start playing soccer or even better baseball in the garden (preferably a friends) and crash a few windows "accidently" that should get the message across for sure. Im pretty happy that i pay for EVE on my own and only have my GF *****ing about the time i spend with EVE. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:26:00 - [17] Games are entertainment, they don't have to have any benefits other than entertaining you. But Eve does anyway. Learning anything you don't absolutely need to know is a waste of time, give it less than a century and you'll be dead anyway, and what good will your knowledge do you then? People who spend all their time learning, studying, 'improving themselves' either do it because it entertains them on some level, or they are wasting their lives. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:38:00 - [18] If you're having fun you're not wasting your time. What you're actually doing is largely irrelevant. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Tokar Lorell Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:43:00 - [19] Heh, tell him you're giving up EVE and doing drugs instead. Maybe he'll get it and stfu. Either way your dad sounds like a tit, I'm sure there's plenty of crap he does that's also a waste of time. ---------- Originally by: Joe Evertime i sell a mwd I unleash true pvp power?
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Travis050 Annoying Father You will simply have to compose yourself to counter any of his points. If he complains you have been on for a certain period of time, ask him in return what he has been doing for the last 3 hours whilst you were doing your homework. If he complains that Eve has no benefit to you, argue that you meet new people everyday across the world and find out something different about other cultures etc. The good old arguement that TV is the same only without interaction is true but also you can argue that your Father that TV is more unhealthy than PCs because they have a higher radiation output (although this only applies if you use a TFT monitor against a Tube or CRT television, not flat screen tvs). I am 20 and I have been arguing with my parents for years about the benefits of my mainstream form of entertainment being the PC and theirs being the TV. It has always come down to the point that they watch the TV in the dark, I play my PC in a well lit room, hence I do not watch TV with them as I value my eyesight. (tunnel vision anyone?) -------------- Dang nabit
Uggster Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:50:00 - [21] Basically do this. Crash your dads car while being drunk with a load of mates and then a night on the computer wont look so bad to him. _______________________________________________ Sig removed as inappropriate- Tirg Story of my life that one :(
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:03:00 - [22] Sorry but that's some ******* father you have right there, what is he now living vicariously through you? Tell him everything is a waste of time if you're not making babies and even then you still is going to die and no you can't keep all the money you made pulling overtime at work.
Donna Darko	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:20:00 - [23] Edited by: Donna Darko on 07/12/2006 15:20:36 Heh :) I had the same argument for a few good years about games in general with my father, until one day I got really ****ed and took this to an extreme. I went to the library, asked the lady there to help me find psychology books/articles/etc. that deal with child development and the role games play in that. Gather all this data, and start writing a paper on this. If you make it serious, complete with quotes and references (the librarian can help you structure your paper too), and you include some of the specifics of EVE (i.e. economy, money management, learning to solve problems with the tools you have, etc. there's more examples above), you'll probably shut your father up forever. It certainly worked for me, he has never bugged me about games ever since. P.S. It will be worth your time to do a paper on this, trust me. If nothing else, you'll realize how games affect development :) Stories.
Stubnitz Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.07 16:04:00 - [24] What a shame Me and my son both play and are in the same corp. our relationship has always been good but since we both started playing eve it has blossomed. As long as all your school work is completed etc etc i cant see the problem tbh.. Sigs and banners
Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 16:30:00 - [25] I thought this was going to be another one of those "wah wah i lost my ship i quit" type posts. I think it would be a good idea to get him to try it, I bet that would work :) On another note, this game is EXCELLENT at showing how economic supply in demand work in a free market. There are even market history charts you can look at for study. Products people want, pricing based on supply (as in Rokhs costing 350 million ISK when they first came out and seeing people buy them), and little to no GM market maintaining. There is also a thread in OOP about a guy who learned about some chemistry stuff and it helped him pass his class because he played EVE. But the very best example of something that EVE can teach you is leadership. For example, in order to be a fleet commander of a very large group of ships you have to be able to manage people effectively in order to be really effective. And, as anyone will tell you, REAL leadership skills will make you more successful than a doctorate in any field. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 16:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Originally by: Travis050 Annoying Father You will simply have to compose yourself to counter any of his points. If he complains you have been on for a certain period of time, ask him in return what he has been doing for the last 3 hours whilst you were doing your homework. If he complains that Eve has no benefit to you, argue that you meet new people everyday across the world and find out something different about other cultures etc. The good old arguement that TV is the same only without interaction is true but also you can argue that your Father that TV is more unhealthy than PCs because they have a higher radiation output (although this only applies if you use a TFT monitor against a Tube or CRT television, not flat screen tvs). I am 20 and I have been arguing with my parents for years about the benefits of my mainstream form of entertainment being the PC and theirs being the TV. It has always come down to the point that they watch the TV in the dark, I play my PC in a well lit room, hence I do not watch TV with them as I value my eyesight. (tunnel vision anyone?) Every time I try to counter argue with my dad I get a stfu damn superiority complex lol Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Travis050 Blue Nebula Networks Lacuna Viators Imperium	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:13:00 - [27] Heh, thx for help so far but his new argument shifted to OMG a thousand hours... I found out that since I started eve in April 05!!!!! I have only done 1000hours altogether.... soo I try to tell him that is less then an hour a day and he just continues OMG a thousand hours... He cant really say I dont get freash air because seriously its freaken 15 degress outside ,I will freeze.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:57:00 - [28] Eve, A waste of time? yes ... i am WIERCHAS i am like UBER and stuff
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:23:00 - [29] Your dad sounds like a*****monkey, end him imo. Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Annya Avishnaya O.P.T	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Norvys Kerens Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 07/12/2006 02:53:03 Buy your dad an account, he'll soon learn to love Eve btw does your dad watch TV? Unless everything he watches is documentary then he's wasting his time even more than you are cause TV is just observation without the interaction whereas eve demands your attention and input from you. In fact even if everything he watches is documentaries and news then he's still wasting his time. Knowledge is pretty useless unless you're actually going to put it to practical use, it doesn't do any good just sitting in your head. Win. Originally by: Uggster Basically do this. Crash your dads car while being drunk with a load of mates and then a night on the computer wont look so bad to him. Win x2 Meh, I don't see the problem either as long as you're doing your homework.
Boonaki Caldari Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:34:00 - [31] Kill your dad, collect insurance, move to mexico and play eve for as long as you want. When you get tired of eve, pick up some prostitutes. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Ordun	Posted - 2006.12.08 12:38:00 - [32] I think you have a bigger problem: your father doesn't trust you, he assumes that you will lie by default. That may or may not be warranted by your past behavior, but it's a problem either way.
Vladimir Ilych Hidden Industrial Group	Posted - 2006.12.08 13:00:00 - [33] most things in life could be considered a waste of time. other than reproduction of course...
Lucy Rawle	Posted - 2006.12.08 13:40:00 - [34] everythings a waste of time :P your gunna die one day. just go fishing with him or something
albert camus Quam Singulari	Posted - 2006.12.08 13:42:00 - [35] Eve is a waste of time... But its fun so who cares. Just tell him its eve or drugs :P * Albert camus does not condone the use of drugs
Effective Overseer Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:05:00 - [36] Feel bad for you, being mocked & put down for doing something innocent that you really enjoy. Don't bother telling him the things you can learn from Eve, etc. To him, it's still just a game & is meaningless & he'll say you can learn those things elsewhere. Use some of these points: 1. If he watches movies, or regular TV shows, he loses. Complete waste, I hate them both. Movies: You kill an automatic 2hrs + money watching just one. When finished...what are you gonna to do? Fictional things happening to fictional characters, and you've wasted 2hrs to find out about it. Having no impact on anything, learning nothing, getting nowhere. TV is the same - it just takes longer to get the same useless information b/c of commercials. 2. Does he drink at all? He loses. Complete waste, I hate alcohol. It is expensive in so many ways. You destroy money, brain cells, time, and family doing it. It happens all day every day in our very world. We all know this is true, facts are proven, no room left for argument. 3. Does he follow sports? Complete waste. One game = 2-3hrs of wasted time. After watching all the hype & absorbing all the stats, and all the beer-pushing commercials...where are ya? What have you accomplished? What are you gonna do? Nothing. If anything, maybe get all upset about your team losing & beat your family (prolly cuz you've been drinking). This also is true, happens every day, and is proven fact. ER rooms see pickups in activity from domestic abuse every single week after a home-team loss in the NFL. Seriously, it's sad. To conclude, if he's still bent on harassing you & making you feel stupid AFTER having completed your work - then you're just gonna have to move out at your first opportunity. Until then, don't let him get you down bud. He's just being shallow, tbh.
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:02:00 - [37] Edited by: Major Stormer on 08/12/2006 21:02:14 I had a crap dad as well. Do what i did, and tell him to go **** himself. I havent seen him in 7 years and I hope he died very painfully. Then again what he did was worse then complain at my gaming. Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:15:00 - [38] All games are a waste of time, during this free time, we should work out, or do art, read books, lecture our selfs, go out, socialize more. there is a whole world out there. so yeah eve just like any other game that seem too much like real life, is a waste of time. Me having my ass on a chair right now won;t benefit me in anyway, yet i choose to play it because its fun, not because its beneficial. ARENA
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Travis050 My dad certainly thinks so... I just barely got back to eve after he made me quit 3months ago :X... and now we are back to the old arguement: WTF have you learned out of eve it is a waste of time.. Especially tonight... after finishing a freaken 3hour report I go on EvE for 30min and wtf do I get... ya you guessed it.. OMGOMGOMG how long have you been on that.... how long have you been on that since I resubscribed(and btw I pay ,but he usues his credit card). So I said 30min... " oh Ya thats BS you have been there atleast an hour" :X so, then I really cant argue and just left lol... well what can I say im confused.... Tell him to stop going out, drinking beer, watching television and eventually having relations with his better half. It's all a waste of time anyway. That should shut him up. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:11:00 - [40] My dad loves mechwarrior and tachyon so he doesn't mind me going on eve. --------
Mikojo Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Benglada haha dad walks in room 50% im playing eve 25% im in bed with someone 25% im on the computer with myself. Needless to say my dad doesent fancy the chances when he looks in on me. My favorite reply so far. I have the joy of being on a computer in the living room so I can't enjoy those "pleasures".
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:38:00 - [42] Im learning interstellar (national) relations by interacting with people all over the world. Now, if I could just read those russian hate mails... --------------------------------------- Implement Isk Stipends (no its not asking for your donations) Isk Stipends
Altterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:55:00 - [43] Use my method: 1. ctrl+alt+del 2. terminate dad-process 3. play more eve while downloading **** in the background =P
Nathan Kundi	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:22:00 - [44] M8 you are not alone with this. My dad asks me the same questions everytime i play EVE. (In fact he is absolutely fascinated of the game, he's just to proud to show - Maybe your dad is too...)
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:14:00 - [45] Kick him in the nuts and tell him to fark off... Dad's really like that, it shows them you have become a man... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Jherek Cornelian The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:10:00 - [46] Life is largely a waste of time. Work is usually a means to end, but is more or less a waste of time. The end being so you can buy stuff and go on holiday. You go on holiday and either sit on a beach/ tour around looking at stuff/ get drunk or maybe all three. All of which are a waste of time. The stuff you buy is used: To give you fuel so you don't die so you can waste more time To wear while you are wasting your time To wear so you look cool in the hope you will waste time having sex To make your life easier while you are wasting time - usually electronic goods Does your dad ? Fish - waste of time Watch football - waste of time Go to the pub - waste of time Sleep - waste of time Ride moutain bikes - waste time The whole thing is a waste of time. I've had converstations with guys my own age (37) who think I am mad wasting my time on a computer game. But I don't see any of them saving the planet/ helping the starving. And in case you were wondering saving the planet is mostly a waste of time and helping the starving..will just make more bored people with time to waste. The next person who says to you that they want to be immortal. Ask them what they do with their lives on a cold wet November Sunday. And I'll bet you they sit there wasting time.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:15:00 - [47] Edited by: Arron S on 13/12/2006 18:16:15 I don't have a life, so I play eve. Also, I have depression. So when ever I start feeling down, I get into a PVP gang and I start to feel better:) Gah!

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