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Tarrum Tivianne Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.08.10 20:49:31 - [1] - Quote Dear EVE, I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game. Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games. Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion. I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve. Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp. Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it. BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window. Thank you all, and good luck.
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 329	Posted - 2015.08.10 21:00:50 - [2] - Quote Dear CCP, Waaaah. Yours truly, New player that can't accept the same rules that Eve has had since day one
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1210	Posted - 2015.08.10 21:13:24 - [3] - Quote All of EvE is a battle zone with non-consensual PvP, except the few dedicated starter systems and Arnon. This is EvE, you agree to that when pressing the undock button. Love it or play something else. I'm my own NPC alt.
Freya Sertan Et Liberate Vos De Deus 730	Posted - 2015.08.10 21:31:53 - [4] - Quote Tarrum Tivianne wrote: Dear EVE, I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game. Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games. Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion. I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve. Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp. Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it. BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window. Thank you all, and good luck. Learn to stand up for yourself, entitled carebear. If you don't subscribe, good. EvE needs far fewer players with your mentality and your leaving is the best thing for the game. Now, contract your **** to UaE as per the rules, HTFU and biomass. In that order. New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face. Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11211	Posted - 2015.08.10 21:39:21 - [5] - Quote You do realize it's outrageously funny to smack CODE. In the teeth right? Tank up and fit blasters instead of mining lazorz and giggle like feckless Muppet as you go down in a blaze of hilarious glory. =]\|[=
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 46	Posted - 2015.08.10 21:51:32 - [6] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion. It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on. Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden. Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent. While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode. The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things. True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond. The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top. EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered. EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish. EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers. Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions. EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time. Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced. That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence. Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience. not empty quoting
Paranoid Loyd 6604	Posted - 2015.08.10 21:54:55 - [7] - Quote All CODE. can do it shoot your ship, and maybe shoot your pod, neither of those things really matter. Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose and it will be all good. Again, it's ok to get shot, you learn something new each time it happens and you improve. That is why this game is fun. It would become boring very quickly if you could be safe whenever you wanted. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Lulu Lunette Blue Aurochs 67	Posted - 2015.08.10 22:06:17 - [8] - Quote I heard Final Fantasy 14 is a good game. @lunettelulu7
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 362	Posted - 2015.08.10 23:08:47 - [9] - Quote Mine in a Procurer (which is very cheap and a quick train) and Laugh at his silly attempt to take your milk money.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2015.08.10 23:10:08 - [10] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: All of EvE is a battle zone with non-consensual PvP, except the few dedicated starter systems and Arnon. This is EvE, you agree to that when pressing the undock button. Love it or play something else. Think you mean - All of EVE is a battle zone with consensual PvP. You consent to PvP by playing EVE.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2184	Posted - 2015.08.10 23:23:09 - [11] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: ~~stuff~~ Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience. not empty quoting This about covers it. Eve is meant to have very few boundaries in order to enable a viscerally competitive playground. That includes big fish preying on little fish. However, there are rules against harassing new players in/near starter systems. In a limited set of locations around Eve, taking advantage of newbies is prohibited. I don't know where your altercation happened, but if you believe it to be cause for CCP to take action, please file a support ticket to get a CCP game master to look at it. The rulings are made on a case by case basis, so I recommend courtesy and providing all relevant information. Good luck, and welcome to Eve! ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Sabriz Adoudel Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 5237	Posted - 2015.08.10 23:52:52 - [12] - Quote Hey man, welcome to EVE where every interaction is PVP. Even a mining session where you don't shoot another player or get shot by another player or even get seen by another player is PVP and EVE is designed that way. Your strip mining of a belt sabotages the efforts of the next miner to mine in that location. You selling ore on the market means another miner can't find a buyer. And, your mining impacts the gamewide availability of key resources, particularly supercapital ships. Your freighter load of Veldspar may wind up being part of the next Goonswarm Federation Erebus, or the next Pandemic Legion Nyx. Some people (possibly including my alliance) will try to disrupt your ore collection for various reasons. How you handle this situation is entirely up to you. I recommend learning about the directional scanner (which can provide early warning of danger) and the local chat channel, and watching how us gankers operate. Learn what we do, then decide how to protect yourself. Just another suggestion: I'd keep 'grr CODE' comments to this board. I never go after a person in-game based on a post in the rookie section of the forums, but if you were a veteran posting this in say the Crime and Punishment section of the forums, I might run a locator agent on you and come and say hello in-game. Finally. Do not underestimate your worth in PVP as a new player. I made that mistake as a rookie "oh look, I'm only 6 weeks old, I can't fight anyone...". I sincerely believed that until an 8 hour old character laid a trap for my corp's CEO and blew up his blinged out mission Raven. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2015.08.10 23:55:43 - [13] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: You do realize it's outrageously funny to smack CODE. In the teeth right? Tank up and fit blasters instead of mining lazorz and giggle like feckless Muppet as you go down in a blaze of hilarious glory. Bait Skiff best Skiff! Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5226	Posted - 2015.08.11 00:05:17 - [14] - Quote I've been mining in hisec for years and have never paid CODE. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5689214#post5689214
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12361	Posted - 2015.08.11 00:07:22 - [15] - Quote entitled carebear and waaaah etc etc? Did I just step into GD? hehe No I'm not going to hold your hand, OP, but maybe offer some reasoning. Yes, there are safe spots for newbies, pretty much starter systems and also while engaged in the sisters of eve epic arc. doesn't sound like you were in one of those, I'm not familiar with Gal empire space. If someone does gank you in such a system though, starting area etc, you can file a petition with a GM, CCP doesn't take kindly to such actions. Mining is dangerous, you'll get ganked, especially in highsec. CODE. provides a service to the community, especially miners (for fair competition), keeping the bot population down which use to be a serious issue in EVE. Still is, but not as much. If you don't want to deal with CODE. or getting ganked a lot, don't mine. Some don't, such as myself, I won't touch it or any unarmed helpless and defenseless activity in EVE apart from some hardened or stealthy hauling. You're alternative is to go join a corp/alliance in sov nulsec, run with the nullbears, have protection, though there are still many risks and dangers. Anyway, it's the way it should be, otherwise it becomes just another game with no challenge. Losing ships is just a part of EVE, make sure you insure them so that your losses are low. Try something else since you are a newbie, pewing is actually really fun here imo. Get to know the game a little before uninstalling. Lucks. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 688	Posted - 2015.08.11 02:00:33 - [16] - Quote OP I can save you a lot of trouble. Eve is not the game for you. Your time would be better spent playing something you enjoy. Some people will tell you things like "every interaction is PvP' or that "you consent to PvP just by logging on". Those things may be at best misleading and IMHO proveabley false. Regardless of the extreeme edges of opinion the one thing that I think you will get large agreement on by the player bases is that in eve you can be PvPed anytime that you undock and in Eve almost anything goes. The very guys that you are asking CCP to make go away are the very guys that they hold up as poster children. The Devs of this game pride themselves on the ruthlessness of the game. If you are trying to put rubber pads or training wheels on Eve you are fighting a loosing battle. Eve is what it is. It is a game that is not for everyone and is a niche game with a dedicated player base. If Eve is not for you that is cool and I understand. Go play something that is. Just don't come to this game and claim that it has to change to suit your tastes.
Sabriz Adoudel Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 5238	Posted - 2015.08.11 03:37:10 - [17] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: OP I can save you a lot of trouble. Eve is not the game for you. Your time would be better spent playing something you enjoy. Some people will tell you things like "every interaction is PvP' or that "you consent to PvP just by logging on". Those things may be at best misleading and IMHO proveabley false. Regardless of the extreeme edges of opinion the one thing that I think you will get large agreement on by the player bases is that in eve you can be PvPed anytime that you undock and in Eve almost anything goes. The very guys that you are asking CCP to make go away are the very guys that they hold up as poster children. The Devs of this game pride themselves on the ruthlessness of the game. If you are trying to put rubber pads or training wheels on Eve you are fighting a loosing battle. Eve is what it is. It is a game that is not for everyone and is a niche game with a dedicated player base. If Eve is not for you that is cool and I understand. Go play something that is. Just don't come to this game and claim that it has to change to suit your tastes. I'm not going to tell the OP to go away. Instead, OP, think of it this way. Every game has the potential for players to encounter setbacks. Some are minor (start this level again), others are more serious (losing a hardcore character in Path of Exile or Diablo). EVE lets you choose where on the spectrum to play. You can risk nothing by flying in dirt cheap ships and it's more like the 'start this level again' end. Or you can fly more powerful, more expensive ships and risk ruin if you miscalculate. The choice is yours. Also EVE differs from most games in that when you suffer a setback, it's often a cunning player inflicting it, where in most games it's some sort of NPC with godawful AI. CCP have analysed the percentage of new players that leave the game and have found that people who get involved in PVP early are much more likely to remain in the game, even if they come off the loser in their early encounters. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12363	Posted - 2015.08.11 04:33:26 - [18] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I'm not going to tell the OP to go away. I gotta agree, player has only been in EVE three days. If he's gone, he's gone, his loss. But I'm not going to push him out the door so quickly, certainly not from NCQA. EVE is unlike anything on the market right now for the most part. There were some like EVE but they're gone, mostly (mixed pvp/pve openworld). Most mmo players now a days only know games like WoW, which is sad since that's all they know. Most of those I doubt can adapt, or even want to, or would not even try a game like EVE. Been playing graphical muds... er mmo's for 20 years, and I know three days to adapt is just not possible in any game, especially in EVE. Even years of playing EVE, from my first login in 2004, to today where I'm committed (there were other games like EVE back then), I still have difficulty adapting to certain changes. In fact I'm still pretty angry with the mini-game junk added to exploration, and I refuse to adapt, but just do something else. Should I ragequit? Nope. Everyone here has likely been through something that made them pretty friggen angry, even if for a little while, if having been here any time at all. You said all kinds of crap whatever, to whoever, no one cares. Thing is eventually you picked up your weapon and got even, and that's what counts. Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE, maybe they think twice next time at least with you. In other games players hide behind the system and grief you, you can't do much of anything back. Here, you can put your time in and then hunt CODE. until you are good and satisfied if that's your prerogative. Ain't no BS here. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 35363	Posted - 2015.08.11 05:24:29 - [19] - Quote Webvan wrote: Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE Hnnnhgh tentacles. Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll? In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12367	Posted - 2015.08.11 05:41:17 - [20] - Quote Candi LeMew wrote: Webvan wrote: Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE Hnnnhgh tentacles. Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll? Could be, anyone can make a trial to troll. But, 20 other newbies on the level will read it, so best to answer legit imo. One thing everyone agrees, OP has the wrong idea. That's all I'm addressing. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Sabriz Adoudel Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 5239	Posted - 2015.08.11 05:43:44 - [21] - Quote Candi LeMew wrote: Webvan wrote: Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE Hnnnhgh tentacles. Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll? Possibly, or it could just be someone that came here with their only gaming experience being in games where setbacks are relatively minor ('restart this level, kiddo') and only inflicted by poor AI high stat opponents. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 35364	Posted - 2015.08.11 05:51:34 - [22] - Quote I'm prolly just getting overly cynical. Seen too many 'new characters' make strangely insightful (for 3 days old) goodbye posts like this blaming well-known 'bad guy' groups. And of course the classic reverse-troll where a 'new character' has an epiphany regarding pvp or eve's harshness and how much they love it (back slapping and invitations to fly with notorious bad guys ensues). In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1528	Posted - 2015.08.11 07:04:02 - [23] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: ergherhdfgh wrote: OP I can save you a lot of trouble. Eve is not the game for you. Your time would be better spent playing something you enjoy. Some people will tell you things like "every interaction is PvP' or that "you consent to PvP just by logging on". Those things may be at best misleading and IMHO proveabley false. Regardless of the extreeme edges of opinion the one thing that I think you will get large agreement on by the player bases is that in eve you can be PvPed anytime that you undock and in Eve almost anything goes. The very guys that you are asking CCP to make go away are the very guys that they hold up as poster children. The Devs of this game pride themselves on the ruthlessness of the game. If you are trying to put rubber pads or training wheels on Eve you are fighting a loosing battle. Eve is what it is. It is a game that is not for everyone and is a niche game with a dedicated player base. If Eve is not for you that is cool and I understand. Go play something that is. Just don't come to this game and claim that it has to change to suit your tastes. I'm not going to tell the OP to go away. Instead, OP, think of it this way. Every game has the potential for players to encounter setbacks. Some are minor (start this level again), others are more serious (losing a hardcore character in Path of Exile or Diablo). EVE lets you choose where on the spectrum to play. You can risk nothing by flying in dirt cheap ships and it's more like the 'start this level again' end. Or you can fly more powerful, more expensive ships and risk ruin if you miscalculate. The choice is yours. Also EVE differs from most games in that when you suffer a setback, it's often a cunning player inflicting it, where in most games it's some sort of NPC with godawful AI. CCP have analysed the percentage of new players that leave the game and have found that people who get involved in PVP early are much more likely to remain in the game, even if they come off the loser in their early encounters. Good post, Sabriz. What is disturbing to me is how many people in New Player Q&A immediately tell him to get lost. Seriously, if he is just trolling, you proved his point. And if he is not, then you are part of the problem. "Welcome to Eve, now take a step back and literally go ** yourself right in the face!" would have been more welcoming than most of the posts in this thread. OP - welcome to Eve. Have fun, don't fly what you cannot afford to lose, and feel free to ask questions. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why** do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Sabriz Adoudel Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 5240	Posted - 2015.08.11 07:16:17 - [24] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: OP - welcome to Eve. Have fun, don't fly what you cannot afford to lose, and feel free to ask questions. Edit - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems But like I said, ask them here (where we are friendly). Had this been asked in C&P I'd have written the name down for future corrective action. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1319	Posted - 2015.08.11 07:43:16 - [25] - Quote Tarrum Tivianne wrote: Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve. Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp. Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it. BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window. Eve is not like many other games in that it provides a large amount of player freedom. With that freedom, comes the possibility that others will choose to "be the villain" and affect your gameplay. Don't worry, there are plenty of ways to counter such criminals, at least in highsec, but you may have to adjust how you play the game to account for the risk from other players. Extortion is legal gameplay. Why should new players be isolated from the real game? You do have protection in the rookie systems, but beyond that you are playing with the rest of us. Since you are interested in reading about the game, I suggest you thoroughly look at the New Pilot FAQ that CCP published. It will help you understand what type of game this is and what you can expect from other players. Pay particular attention to the fact that Eve is a "full-time PvP in a sandbox environment" which means you are always in constant competition with the other players. If that is not the type of game you are looking for, then better to find that out now during the trial than after you invest your time and money into the game. If it is, enjoy the challenge, and fly safe out there as no place is safe in New Eden!
Beta Maoye 71	Posted - 2015.08.11 07:53:32 - [26] - Quote Sometimes I think EVE Online should be advertised with a subtitle as space gangsters online so that new players can immediately understand the core nature of the game. Thus newbie's disappointment and frustration due to false expectation of the game can be avoided in day one.
Do Little Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 103	Posted - 2015.08.11 08:12:02 - [27] - Quote Speaking as a proud carebear who enjoys the industrial gameplay in EVE: Non consensual PVP is part of the risk/reward balance in EVE. If CODE (and others) didn't exist, there would be a lot more competition leading to lower prices for the ore you harvest. EVE gives you choices - you can fly a high risk ship that holds more ore (Retriever) or a low risk ship that holds less (Procurer). You can make the high risk choice of fitting the ship for maximum yield or the low risk choice of fitting maximum tank. In either case the ship will pay for itself in a few hours mining - even less if you buy insurance. I can also assure you from personal experience that getting blown up doesn't hurt. I do not recommend buying a permit - that's just role play - they're in it for the explosions.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 08:16:38 - [28] - Quote give the guy a break he is still in trial code are just some alliance that think they own highsec, they dont go places where people can shoot them because they would run out of isk and just become cannon fodder to real pvp players, dont pay them anything, learn to tank your ship and laugh in local when they fail. oh you aint met the wardeccers yet, they are worse EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation 1897	Posted - 2015.08.11 08:26:51 - [29] - Quote Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here. As for the actual post, eve is defined by the existence of non-consensual pvp. As you have seen, activities that would get you banned instantly in most games are not only allowed, but are considered normal gameplay in eve. This is one of the main draws of the game, some of the others being a unique form of combat that emphasizes movement over positioning, large scale fights, mass production instead of crafting, the knowledge that when you stake a claim to a territory, it is yours for as long as you live there and fight for it, not just until you log off, and most importantly, all this is on a single shard in which your actions can affect players that you haven't even met. If you came here expecting a traditional MMO experience this won't be for you. Go back to your belt or the tutorials. Talk in local. Google stuff to do. Be creative. Just don't expect to sit there and mine without player interaction. Contact me if you want a wingmate. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2015.08.11 08:31:08 - [30] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: eve is defined by the existence of non-consensual pvp. I really don't get why people say this, as I see it as consensual PvP. It's a PvP game, you consent by playing it.

Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 08:35:28 - [31] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here. yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation 1897	Posted - 2015.08.11 08:42:03 - [32] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here. yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression Yeah, I realized something was wrong when Sabriz had the most welcoming post on the front page of a "GRR CODE" thread. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1530	Posted - 2015.08.11 09:16:11 - [33] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Lan Wang wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here. yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression Yeah, I realized something was wrong when Sabriz had the most welcoming post on the front page of a "GRR CODE" thread. This was my first thought as well. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 35370	Posted - 2015.08.11 09:20:28 - [34] - Quote Sadly I think that's actually more common than we think here in NQ&A. But people will always do what they're allowed to get away with. I used to enjoy posting help in this subsection a bit, but would often find myself too distracted by the flamey or arrogant responses from some vets and ultimately just end up in arguments with them myself more than actually making helpful posts. That's not fun or helpful so I just gave up posting in the end, unless I see a question that's directly related to what I enjoy in EVE so I can contribute something useful. Not that I've contributed anything useful at all in this one ... but I've just been in a spammy mood today. It just happens. In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11217	Posted - 2015.08.11 09:27:31 - [35] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Lan Wang wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Honestly, I'm shocked by the response in this thread. I thought we tried to have a welcoming community here. yeah thats what i thought, guy is only a trial account, could have potential to be a good pvp pilot but instead of advice he gets flamed from post #1 not really a good impression Yeah, I realized something was wrong when Sabriz had the most welcoming post on the front page of a "GRR CODE" thread. Hay, I gave him genuine advice (admittedly in a whimsical fashion but still!). They're not all that hard to avoid and **ing with CODE. Is great fun . Candi LeMew wrote:** Sadly I think that's actually more common than we think here in NQ&A. But people will always do what they're allowed to get away with. I used to enjoy posting help in this subsection a bit, but would often find myself too distracted by the flamey or arrogant responses from some vets and ultimately just end up in arguments with them myself more than actually making helpful posts. That's not fun or helpful so I just gave up posting in the end, unless I see a question that's directly related to what I enjoy in EVE so I can contribute something useful. Not that I've contributed anything useful at all in this one ... but I've just been in a spammy mood today. It just happens. Hmmm in my experience here it's generally only the most obnoxiously entitled ones who get flamed in here, usually it's fairly straightforward advice, answering questions and generally divulging information. That said this one turned ugly (for ncq&a) quickly but I think that's to do with the abnormal amount of "grrrr CODE." Threads at the moment, still no excuse and I'll apologies if I contributed in a less than constructive manor. =]\|[=
Haruchai Khan Metropolitan Police Service 130	Posted - 2015.08.11 10:27:52 - [36] - Quote If you do all the Career Missions at the start, you get given two Ventures (one from the Business agent, one from the Industry) I thought this was duplication, but then considered that right away, one has a back-up if your mining gets interrupted by PvP. I'd like to think that this was by design, so new players experimenting with mining can lose a ship with no penalty whatsoever (aside from the psychological blow/learning experience). The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Livonia Velorea The Fiendish Pixies 49	Posted - 2015.08.11 10:42:30 - [37] - Quote I'm intrigued as to what you all might think of this... EvE Forum Steam Forum It certainly sparks my curiosity. I pew you too! <3
Giaus Felix Hedion University Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:19:13 - [38] - Quote ^^ I caught that myself about 10 minutes ago, I'm going for troll and have posted as much over on steam
Vendraen Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:21:16 - [39] - Quote Internet detectives FTW? :D Have to give the OP credit though, for a troll, they did fairly well at concealing their trollyness.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1321	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:30:51 - [40] - Quote Vendraen wrote: Internet detectives FTW? :D Have to give the OP credit though, for a troll, they did fairly well at concealing their trollyness. Ah, the carebear troll got me. And I thought my view of the carebear could not get any lower, yet here we are. Shame on you OP. Wasting the time of the good people of this forum just to promote your change-Eve-to-be-what-I-want-it-to-be agenda by pretending to be a new player. Take that stuff to the F&I where it can be properly debunked or ridiculed as the case may be. Here is the full link to the steam thread: https://steamcommunity.com/app/8500/discussions/0/541907867788061137/

Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 332	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:34:35 - [41] - Quote I've spent years coming to this forum offering advice and encouragement to players with a genuine desire to get better at Eve. This is not one of those cases. This is just another rant about how after a couple days of playing Eve, someone with an over-inflated sense of entitlement has decided that he knows how to 'fix' Eve....fix rules that have existed the entire time Eve has been in existence. Nonsense like 'open PvP is okay....but' should be called out and mocked. Basically saying- 'the rules everyone has played by for 12 years are fine...as long as they don't apply to me'. I have no tolerance for that. We all came to the same game, with the same rules. If you don't like those rules then don't play the game. It's not an insult to suggest this isn't the game for some people. If you can't survive a trial account without taking to the forums soaking in tears, then clearly Eve is the wrong choice of games. Thats why they offer a trial account. It's only going to get worse once you have something valuable to lose. It's not my fault if that honest appraisal hurts some gamer's ego too much to admit that maybe another game is more your style than Eve is. Nor is it the responsibility of the devs to alter a game from it's very core mechanics simply because some people cannot go a couple days without crying like a school girl with a skinned knee over the same mechanics that tens of thousands of other players managed to survive for over a decade. Eve is easier now than it ever has been...and still it's not enough dumbing down and hand holding for some. Being extorted, scammed, or blown up is not unique to any one player- yet tens of thousands of us manage to play Eve without having to cry to the devs when someone actually engages in multiplayer online gaming..in a multiplayer online game. Don't cry when someone role plays, in a role playing game. Even if the role they choose is 'bad guy'. What is insulting is the notion that difficulty and adversity is a 'problem' with Eve. For many players it is exactly this concept that attracted us to Eve in the first place. For many of the longest term and most dedicated players- Eve is a destination. It's where we came to when we got tired of swimming in the shallow end of gaming with kiddie games like WoW. If that's the type of game you want- there are lots out there to choose from. But there is only one game like Eve Online. If you don't like the game that Eve is...fine... but don't assume that your inability to handle the rules and mechanics is universal. Way too many of us managed to survive and prosper under those same (or harsher) rules for over a decade. It's not the game...it's YOU.
Vendraen Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:36:30 - [42] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: to promote your change-Eve-to-be-what-I-want-it-to-be agenda This is perhaps the biggest problem in MMO gaming today. People need to stop trying to "force" games to be molded in their personal image. It made more sense back over a decade ago when there were so few choices. Back then, there may have been nothing that met your needs - so trying to encourage devs to mold things around your ideas made some sense. Now? Pfffft, how many games do we have to choose from? I can't count them. (And note, I am someone that still loves "traditional MMOs!") Having so many choices and so many styles and flavors is a wonderful thing! (Except for time and money allocation, since so many can be tempting.) EVE is way, way outside my usual comfort zone. I'm trying to make an honest go of it. If the OP were a real poster, I'd be trying to encourage them to see things this way.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1341	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:50:19 - [43] - Quote Alaric Faelen wrote: I've spent years coming to this forum offering advice and encouragement to players with a genuine desire to get better at Eve. This is not one of those cases. This is just another rant about how after a couple days of playing Eve, someone with an over-inflated sense of entitlement has decided that he knows how to 'fix' Eve....fix rules that have existed the entire time Eve has been in existence. Nonsense like 'open PvP is okay....but' should be called out and mocked. Basically saying- 'the rules everyone has played by for 12 years are fine...as long as they don't apply to me'. I have no tolerance for that. We all came to the same game, with the same rules. If you don't like those rules then don't play the game. It's not an insult to suggest this isn't the game for some people. If you can't survive a trial account without taking to the forums soaking in tears, then clearly Eve is the wrong choice of games. Thats why they offer a trial account. It's only going to get worse once you have something valuable to lose. It's not my fault if that honest appraisal hurts some gamer's ego too much to admit that maybe another game is more your style than Eve is. Nor is it the responsibility of the devs to alter a game from it's very core mechanics simply because some people cannot go a couple days without crying like a school girl with a skinned knee over the same mechanics that tens of thousands of other players managed to survive for over a decade. Eve is easier now than it ever has been...and still it's not enough dumbing down and hand holding for some. Being extorted, scammed, or blown up is not unique to any one player- yet tens of thousands of us manage to play Eve without having to cry to the devs when someone actually engages in multiplayer online gaming..in a multiplayer online game. Don't cry when someone role plays, in a role playing game. Even if the role they choose is 'bad guy'. What is insulting is the notion that difficulty and adversity is a 'problem' with Eve. For many players it is exactly this concept that attracted us to Eve in the first place. For many of the longest term and most dedicated players- Eve is a destination. It's where we came to when we got tired of swimming in the shallow end of gaming with kiddie games like WoW. If that's the type of game you want- there are lots out there to choose from. But there is only one game like Eve Online. If you don't like the game that Eve is...fine... but don't assume that your inability to handle the rules and mechanics is universal. Way too many of us managed to survive and prosper under those same (or harsher) rules for over a decade. It's not the game...it's YOU. he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code. EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24582	Posted - 2015.08.11 12:58:18 - [44] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code. It's only against the rules if he's a newbie, and given the very similar thread over on steam it's extremely debatable as to whether he is or not. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.08.11 15:33:42 - [45] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code. Doesn't sound like he was in a rookie system to me, he says he was in an 0.8 system.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1342	Posted - 2015.08.11 15:48:06 - [46] - Quote Avvy wrote: Lan Wang wrote: he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code. Doesn't sound like he was in a rookie system to me, he says he was in an 0.8 system. Tarrum Tivianne wrote: I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Its still not allowed as its a career system EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.08.11 15:55:08 - [47] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Avvy wrote: Lan Wang wrote: he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code. Doesn't sound like he was in a rookie system to me, he says he was in an 0.8 system. Tarrum Tivianne wrote: I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Its still not allowed as its a career system Didn't know there were any 0.8 career systems. This also goes back to the discussion about the SoE arc, how do you know who is actually doing career missions or the SoE arc if they're not in a specific system. Only option would be to not interact with any account less than 31 days old. Seems to me nothing actually happened to the op other than that message which obviously when the op thought about it and its implications he decided he didn't like the game as it was or at least the dark side of the game. Or did I miss something?
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1342	Posted - 2015.08.11 15:58:42 - [48] - Quote i dunno probably just another propaganda post from a code alt, i just like creating conflict List of systems CODE. should avoid I dont think it matters what they are doing in the system, they are not allowed to do it at all EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 1169	Posted - 2015.08.11 16:00:52 - [49] - Quote Candi LeMew wrote: Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll? Those instincts. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2984	Posted - 2015.08.11 16:01:40 - [50] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Possibly, or it could just be someone that came here with their only gaming experience being in games where setbacks are relatively minor ('restart this level, kiddo') and only inflicted by poor AI high stat opponents. I personally consider myself a poor AI, high stat opponent.

Rebecca Cailin Gambling Angels 0	Posted - 2015.08.11 18:52:15 - [51] - Quote Tarrum Tivianne wrote: I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon Well that's a huge nono to do that in a rookie spawn system or a career location... Amarr Empire: (Conoban System - Hedion University) 0.905248800027831 (Deepari System - Imperial Academy) 0.914172634878232 (Pasha System - Royal Amarr Institute) 0.914349195494101 Caldari State: (Akiainavas System - School of Applied Knowledge) 0.745254943318089 (Jouvulen System - Science and Trade Institute) 0.889762851761055 (Uitra System - State War Academy) 0.924096002964332 Gallente Federation: (Clellinon System - Center for Advanced Studies) 0.848465929327211 (Couster System - Federal Navy Academy) 0.902460888451989 (Trossere System - University of Caille) 0.914410272591836 Minmatar Republic: (Embod System - Pator Tech School) 0.960749400265842 (Hadaugago System - Republic Military School) 0.948771964644125 (Malukker System - Republic University) 0.988011674540224 Has anyone checked killmail to see if this has actually happened? EDIT: Lan Wang wrote: i dunno probably just another propaganda post from a code alt, i just like creating conflict List of systems CODE. should avoid I dont think it matters what they are doing in the system, they are not allowed to do it at all Nice link.
Valerian STA Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:04:20 - [52] - Quote I don't care if the OP is for real or not. If he isn't, many other new players will read this thread, feeling the same problems, I suppose. What I have to say to him, as someone that is not an expert or a total newbie, it's that life in Eve will be always like what you've just experienced. Difference being you'll lose much more. Eve it's much more about our own will against adversity than about protection, fairness or any other good feeling. You like challenge, you'll keep on playing. There are many players on Eve willing to help newbies. That's the better part this game can ever have. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 691	Posted - 2015.08.12 00:50:53 - [53] - Quote Webvan wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I'm not going to tell the OP to go away. I gotta agree, player has only been in EVE three days. If he's gone, he's gone, his loss. But I'm not going to push him out the door so quickly, certainly not from NCQA. EVE is unlike anything on the market right now for the most part. There were some like EVE but they're gone, mostly (mixed pvp/pve openworld). Most mmo players now a days only know games like WoW, which is sad since that's all they know. Most of those I doubt can adapt, or even want to, or would not even try a game like EVE. Been playing graphical muds... er mmo's for 20 years, and I know three days to adapt is just not possible in any game, especially in EVE. Even years of playing EVE, from my first login in 2004, to today where I'm committed (there were other games like EVE back then), I still have difficulty adapting to certain changes. In fact I'm still pretty angry with the mini-game junk added to exploration, and I refuse to adapt, but just do something else. Should I ragequit? Nope. Everyone here has likely been through something that made them pretty friggen angry, even if for a little while, if having been here any time at all. You said all kinds of crap whatever, to whoever, no one cares. Thing is eventually you picked up your weapon and got even, and that's what counts. Someone screwed with you and you screwed them back, that's EVE, maybe they think twice next time at least with you. In other games players hide behind the system and grief you, you can't do much of anything back. Here, you can put your time in and then hunt CODE. until you are good and satisfied if that's your prerogative. Ain't no BS here. I agree with Webvan here. I came from WoW and other games like. I stuck with Eve because it was the only game that was different than everything. I feel like I understand the "bad habits" that I feel games like that program us into. I fee like I understand them because I had a hard time letting go of them so my stubbornness caused me to experience the downside of them long after anyone with half a brain would have learned his or her lesson. Because of that I do my best to help people that I see coming to this game with the same misconceptions that I had. I also try to identify the ones that I don't think will get past it and save them the trouble. Am I trying to make the OP go away? No I don't believe I am. I feel like I am just letting him know that if he is looking for CCP to change Eve and make it a "fair" game and put soft fluffy pads on everything so that you don't hurt yourself then he is not going to win that fight and honestly would be better off playing a different game because he is not CCP's target audience. Also if CCP were to listen to him Eve would become just like every other WoW clone out there and there would be nowhere left for me to go. If the OP wants Eve to play like WoW then maybe he should just go play WoW or the thousand other games that are just like it. I'm not trying to chase him off just be honest.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6515	Posted - 2015.08.12 00:59:48 - [54] - Quote Once you leave your rookie system as a new player you're fair game (also some SoE systems). This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12395	Posted - 2015.08.12 01:46:58 - [55] - Quote Shifted on my lazy butt and did some checking. It's not CODE. (as some implied originally) It's just a player named Codebandit with another corp/alliance. This didn't happen in the system the OP said here, happened in Luse (twice 30m apart) to a character named Cuzin Boneless not Cusin Boneless. OP, if this is your character that got ganked, how come you dudn't know how to spell it's name? ...nor know the correct system? erm... I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2083	Posted - 2015.08.12 02:09:02 - [56] - Quote Webvan wrote: entitled carebear and waaaah etc etc? Did I just step into GD? Get to know the game a little before uninstalling. Lucks. ITT: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2015.08.12 05:43:37 - [57] - Quote Webvan wrote: Shifted on my lazy butt and did some checking. It's not CODE. (as some implied originally based on "code bandit") It's just a player named Codebandit with another corp/alliance. This didn't happen in the system the OP said here, happened in Luse (twice 30m apart) to a character named Cuzin Boneless not Cusin Boneless. OP, this isn't your character that got ganked, you dudn't even know how to spell it's name ...nor know the correct system? erm... edit: and I'm not saying he's a troll or not, just that his story doesn't fully check out. Easy mistake by a newbie, or intended oversight by a troll. But where it happens is important in this game, regardless if the person attacked was a newbie or not. It's also to note in case anyone got the impression, this did not happen to the OP. Nor was CODE involved. Nor happened in a protected system. Also note, OP, the player got right back up and went out again, to the same place. You can search his name on google to zkillboard. To go right back again, seems the player really didn't have any serious issue with it. Easy mistake to make with the 'S' and the 'Z', but the system that's another story. OP is just trying to cause trouble (troll) by the sound of it and either trying to put people off of the game and/or get the game changed. Why else would there also be a thread on Steam.
Sabriz Adoudel Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 5247	Posted - 2015.08.12 05:46:54 - [58] - Quote Avvy wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Avvy wrote: Lan Wang wrote: he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code. Doesn't sound like he was in a rookie system to me, he says he was in an 0.8 system. Tarrum Tivianne wrote: I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Its still not allowed as its a career system Didn't know there were any 0.8 career systems. Seems to me nothing actually happened to the op other than that message which obviously when the op thought about it and its implications he decided he didn't like the game as it was or at least the dark side of the game. Or did I miss something? Edit: So I did miss something. Clellinon 0.8 system Akiainavas 0.7 system Both with career agents. That surprises me if they originally started out that way. Those systems should have their sec status changed. I only check against the rookie system list if I'm in a 1.0 or 0.9 system. IMHO rookie systems should be changed to all be 1.0, and non-rookie systems that are presently 1.0 should be changed to 0.9, then the rules should simply state "non-consentual starship combat PVP against <30day old characters in 1.0 systems is not allowed". I often advise newbies wanting to experience EVE's darker side to take an Atron or Catalyst and go gank a Venture somewhere but to avoid 1.0 systems due to fast CONCORD and the possibility of rookie system rules coming up. I've never thought to say to them 'check rookie system rules even if it's 0.8 or 0.7'. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 1025	Posted - 2015.08.12 09:01:31 - [59] - Quote They can put a little "RS" graphic at the top-left when you enter a rookie system. When you hover over it with your mouse a message appears concisely explaining the restrictions. Taking it one step further by default your safety in these systems could behave as if it's green (even if it's set otherwise). You would have to manually enable "aggression" in Rookie Systems similar to how you have to change your safety to red to begin with. Upon doing so it presents a message concisely explaining the restrictions and what the "RS" means at the top-left. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 35403	Posted - 2015.08.12 11:29:44 - [60] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Candi LeMew wrote: Also is it bad that I've a funny feeling this thread is a troll? Those instincts. I've got a lot of Banana instincts. Animalistic, sometimes savage and always primal, Ms Forelli ... But yeah. In anycase, troll or not, doesn't appear like he's going to post or respond again, so RIP. But for any legitimately new pilots reading this there's already been a ton of fantastic advice posted too, so it's all good. And now here we all are together ... so who wants a taco? In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p

ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 693	Posted - 2015.08.12 11:40:15 - [61] - Quote Candi LeMew wrote: And now here we all are together ... so who wants a taco? If it's pink I'll take some.
Twulf Order of the Eagles 99	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:21:50 - [62] - Quote This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1355	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:24:02 - [63] - Quote Twulf wrote: This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies what? if you are refering to wardeccers etc, i did have this outlook to it all but ive noticed these highsec mercs and gankers actually help new players more than most, what have you done to help a noob? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12414	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:47:55 - [64] - Quote Twulf wrote: This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies Nothings changed, it's the way it's been. Actually easier a bit, too much in ways, advertising to people as if it's so easy then get a rude awakening. People that want it easy really should go play a different game. EVE needs to retain it's bad boy reputation to attract the right players, and especially keep the ones that have shown interest here for years and stick around. Numbers are not down, just multi-boxing is, while multi character training is up since it's introduction. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
ISD Athechu ISD STAR 305	Posted - 2015.08.12 14:57:08 - [65] - Quote ISD LackOfFaith wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: ~~stuff~~ Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience. not empty quoting This about covers it. Eve is meant to have very few boundaries in order to enable a viscerally competitive playground. That includes big fish preying on little fish. However, there are rules against harassing new players in/near starter systems. In a limited set of locations around Eve, taking advantage of newbies is prohibited. I don't know where your altercation happened, but if you believe it to be cause for CCP to take action, please file a support ticket to get a CCP game master to look at it. The rulings are made on a case by case basis, so I recommend courtesy and providing all relevant information. Good luck, and welcome to Eve! I haven't read the rest of the thread as of yet but..... (E: just read the rest of the thread) Just following up on ISD LackOfFaith any of the systems that's a Starter System, Career Agent System or Sisters of EVE Epic Arc (Arnon) are covered under the no harassment of rookie pilots. If this happens to you while in one of the systems indicated please file a support ticket under harassment and a GM will get to you as soon as they can. Wiki Article: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems Help Article: https://ccpcommunity.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing Senior GM post about harassment of rookie pilots: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1192090#post1192090 ISD Athechu Commander STAR EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24631	Posted - 2015.08.12 15:43:14 - [66] - Quote Twulf wrote: This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. Eve's population is lower than that of some other MMO's because it's not aimed at the majority of MMO players; if it was it probably would have died long ago. Quote: What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? People have been claiming Eve is dying because of the nature of the game for the last decade or more, it's still not dead and we're still playing. Quote: To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies Nope, the Eve community is made up of people who are playing a game within the rules as set forth by CCP, nobody is forcing you to play a game you don't like the rules of. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 51140	Posted - 2015.08.12 19:42:43 - [67] - Quote ISD Athechu wrote: ISD LackOfFaith wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: ~~stuff~~ Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience. not empty quoting This about covers it. Eve is meant to have very few boundaries in order to enable a viscerally competitive playground. That includes big fish preying on little fish. However, there are rules against harassing new players in/near starter systems. In a limited set of locations around Eve, taking advantage of newbies is prohibited. I don't know where your altercation happened, but if you believe it to be cause for CCP to take action, please file a support ticket to get a CCP game master to look at it. The rulings are made on a case by case basis, so I recommend courtesy and providing all relevant information. Good luck, and welcome to Eve! I haven't read the rest of the thread as of yet but..... (E: just read the rest of the thread) Just following up on ISD LackOfFaith any of the systems that's a Starter System, Career Agent System or Sisters of EVE Epic Arc (Arnon) are covered under the no harassment of rookie pilots. If this happens to you while in one of the systems indicated please file a support ticket under harassment and a GM will get to you as soon as they can. Wiki Article: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems Help Article: https://ccpcommunity.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing Senior GM post about harassment of rookie pilots: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1192090#post1192090 Excellent work at digging up the GM post. I remember when those changes were made active. Here's a couple more links to replies from the GM about the policy pertaining to Rookie's : History Lesson Defining Rules Candi LeMew wrote: Sadly I think that's actually more common than we think here in NQ&A. But people will always do what they're allowed to get away with. I used to enjoy posting help in this subsection a bit, but would often find myself too distracted by the flamey or arrogant responses from some vets and ultimately just end up in arguments with them myself more than actually making helpful posts. That's not fun or helpful so I just gave up posting in the end, unless I see a question that's directly related to what I enjoy in EVE so I can contribute something useful. Very well written, I feel the same way and agree 100% DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 336	Posted - 2015.08.12 21:57:49 - [68] - Quote +1 Jonah Gravenstein. If I had an isk for every time I've heard "Eve will die because newbs go back to WoW". I'd own a fleet of titans by now.
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 336	Posted - 2015.08.12 21:59:33 - [69] - Quote CCP itself offers the best advice to new players anyone could give. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Cobbler Khan Shades of Chaos Gatekeepers Universe 66	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:36:59 - [70] - Quote I agree with both sides Sure pvp everywhere is part of the game. BUT eve is allready one of the hardest games to learn. Having new players get bullied by vets is just not cool and it makes no one want to learn eve. Just because you want to only pvp doesnt mean forcing people to pvp you is fun for them.

Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1301	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:51:35 - [71] - Quote Twulf wrote: This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies It's a dog-eat-dog world, don't wanna get eaten? Better start eating.
Cobbler Khan Shades of Chaos Gatekeepers Universe 67	Posted - 2015.08.13 00:02:25 - [72] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Twulf wrote: This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies It's a dog-eat-dog world, don't wanna get eaten? Better start eating. Case and point
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24648	Posted - 2015.08.13 01:59:39 - [73] - Quote Cobbler Khan wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Twulf wrote: This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies It's a dog-eat-dog world, don't wanna get eaten? Better start eating. Case and point It's a dog eat dog world by design, the whole game revolves around conflict. Everybody starts off as a little fish in a sea full of bigger and nastier fish; if you want to become a bigger fish you consume resources or the the other little fish, to consume the bigger fish you take a leaf out of nature's book and use numbers to overwhelm them. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12441	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:10:51 - [74] - Quote Cobbler Khan wrote: I agree with both sides Sure pvp everywhere is part of the game. BUT eve is allready one of the hardest games to learn. Having new players get bullied by vets is just not cool and it makes no one want to learn eve. Just because you want to only pvp doesnt mean forcing people to pvp you is fun for them. This happens to newbies and vets alike flying mining ships. Why should newbies get special treatment, to ragequit later? This didn't even actually happen to the OP, but the guy it did happen to got right back out there. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Origin. Black Legion. 2411	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:50:43 - [75] - Quote Tarrum Tivianne wrote: Dear EVE, I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game. Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games. Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion. I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve. Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp. Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it. BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window. Thank you all, and good luck. Step 1: Gamer see dank BR-5 or "This is EvE" video Step 2: Player joins EvE online Step 3: Player gets ganked or stuck on the pve hamster wheel in hisec Step 4: Player quits EvE Step 5: Goto Step 1 It's time. F Would you like to know more?
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12455	Posted - 2015.08.13 10:46:04 - [76] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Step 1: Gamer see dank BR-5 or "This is EvE" video Step 2: Player joins EvE online Step 3: Player gets ganked or stuck on the pve hamster wheel in hisec Step 4: Player quits EvE Step 5: Goto Step 1 Bah I'll tell you what happen rather than go to your pointless blog with ip tracking, since you didn't actually read the thread. 1. trial newbie gates out of starting system. 2. in another system, trial newbie ignores local chat while some incident happens that he was entirely not involved in. 3. trial newbie returns to starting system. 4. trial newbie finally reads chat and thinks it's happening right then in the starting system he's in (am I wrong?! no) 5. trial newbies heads to forums. 6. you don't bother to read thread and post your blog. meh I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Hydran Aphobia Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.08.20 22:14:29 - [77] - Quote Here is my take on this, 1. Every poster has told the new player to get out. Biomass yourselves and quit EVE. Yes Seriously. You all are a cancer that is standing in the way of EVE's growth potential. 2. The remaining people who actually have something positive to say. Grab the newbie by the hand, explain to him what he did wrong and guide him toward the proper mindset to EVE. If both these things happened, EVE would gain 2-3 new players with the "right" mindset for every bitter vet that biomasses him or herself and I can live with that kind of math.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 713	Posted - 2015.08.20 23:00:07 - [78] - Quote Hydran Aphobia wrote: Here is my take on this, 1. Every poster has told the new player to get out. Biomass yourselves and quit EVE. Yes Seriously. You all are a cancer that is standing in the way of EVE's growth potential. Why should I biomass myself? because you said so? I don't think so. I enjoy the game and I'll continue to play it as long as I continue to enjoy it. Your wanting me here or not can only encourage me. Hydran Aphobia wrote: 2. The remaining people who actually have something positive to say. Grab the newbie by the hand, explain to him what he did wrong and guide him toward the proper mindset to EVE. Grab him by the hand? seriously?!!! Because that is what eve is about and that would be similar to the rest of his game experience? This is a harsh PvP game the OP either is good with that or he will wind up rage quitting sooner or later. I am just trying to be helpful and tell the OP the game is obviously not for him and save him the headaches down the road. You seem to want to pretend this game is "Hello Kitty Island Adventure" which it certainly is not. The sooner the OP realizes that the better off he'll be. Hydran Aphobia wrote: If both these things happened, EVE would gain 2-3 new players with the "right" mindset for every bitter vet that biomasses him or herself and I can live with that kind of math. I'm not sure what you are calling ""the "right" mindset"" but the OP clearly does not have what it takes to make it in Eve. If the bitter vets that do all biomassed then there would be no one left playing this game since these new players with the "right mindset" would not stick around. Eve is a harsh game. We could soften it up and turn it into every other MMO out there or the people that like softer dumbed down games could just go play those games and the people that actually enjoy playing Eve could keep playing it. The OP clearly was not pleased with his time in game. Instead of him insisting that the game change to suit him I'm just saying maybe he'd be better served finding a game that better suits his playstyle. You want to call me a **** go ahead but I call my self practical, logical and helpful.
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 658	Posted - 2015.08.21 14:13:00 - [79] - Quote 2 things, 1 iirc there is a zone or "anomaly" for mining to be used by players doing the tutorial agents if you still do that. 2 in this game the mere action of posting on forums is pvp. everything is pvp. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Johnny Riko Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 11	Posted - 2015.08.21 14:21:58 - [80] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Alaric Faelen wrote: I've spent years coming to this forum offering advice and encouragement to players with a genuine desire to get better at Eve. This is not one of those cases. This is just another rant about how after a couple days of playing Eve, someone with an over-inflated sense of entitlement has decided that he knows how to 'fix' Eve....fix rules that have existed the entire time Eve has been in existence. Nonsense like 'open PvP is okay....but' should be called out and mocked. Basically saying- 'the rules everyone has played by for 12 years are fine...as long as they don't apply to me'. I have no tolerance for that. We all came to the same game, with the same rules. If you don't like those rules then don't play the game. It's not an insult to suggest this isn't the game for some people. If you can't survive a trial account without taking to the forums soaking in tears, then clearly Eve is the wrong choice of games. Thats why they offer a trial account. It's only going to get worse once you have something valuable to lose. It's not my fault if that honest appraisal hurts some gamer's ego too much to admit that maybe another game is more your style than Eve is. Nor is it the responsibility of the devs to alter a game from it's very core mechanics simply because some people cannot go a couple days without crying like a school girl with a skinned knee over the same mechanics that tens of thousands of other players managed to survive for over a decade. Eve is easier now than it ever has been...and still it's not enough dumbing down and hand holding for some. Being extorted, scammed, or blown up is not unique to any one player- yet tens of thousands of us manage to play Eve without having to cry to the devs when someone actually engages in multiplayer online gaming..in a multiplayer online game. Don't cry when someone role plays, in a role playing game. Even if the role they choose is 'bad guy'. What is insulting is the notion that difficulty and adversity is a 'problem' with Eve. For many players it is exactly this concept that attracted us to Eve in the first place. For many of the longest term and most dedicated players- Eve is a destination. It's where we came to when we got tired of swimming in the shallow end of gaming with kiddie games like WoW. If that's the type of game you want- there are lots out there to choose from. But there is only one game like Eve Online. If you don't like the game that Eve is...fine... but don't assume that your inability to handle the rules and mechanics is universal. Way too many of us managed to survive and prosper under those same (or harsher) rules for over a decade. It's not the game...it's YOU. he said he was in a rookie system and if he is being extorted in rookie systems then its against the rules. im all for eve but punching puppies is a bit a d!ck move, doesnt matter how you paint it, the most self-entitled people in eve are code. What rookie system is 0.8 security? OP, don't worry, we won't mourn your leaving. I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.

Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 189	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:02:30 - [81] - Quote Trolling in NCQ&A. That is pretty low. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Cyber SGB Mecha Enterprises Fleet 111	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:30:02 - [82] - Quote Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so. You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less. Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum. Pathetic. I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1427	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:45:59 - [83] - Quote Cyber SGB wrote: Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so. You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less. Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum. Pathetic. No, it's perfectly fine to point out to a player, especially a new player that this might not be the game for them. If they are expecting a standard MMO PvE experience, it is best that they are told this is a full-time PvP sandbox at the beginning rather than to string them along in a game that is not what they are looking for. That doesn't make you superior - it's just different strokes for different folks. Some people prefer to knit sweaters in their spare time and some prefer to participate in mixed martial arts fights. Neither is inherently better, but if Granny shows up to your MMA club by mistake, it probably is best to point her to the knitting shop next store than let her get into the ring.
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 189	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:51:25 - [84] - Quote Cyber SGB wrote: Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so. You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less. Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum. Pathetic. Calm down, miner. I don't recall telling anyone to leave, nor was anyone in CODE. in here telling OP to leave even though OP is a horrible troll. And as Black Pedro so eloquently pointed out, it is well within my rights to tell a new player that EvE isn't for them and that they shouldn't play. Get down from your high horse and quit projecting onto other players. If OP weren't a troll, I would tell him to leave because the experience he is expecting is not the reality of EvE. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Sonya Corvinus Chickenhawk. 100	Posted - 2015.08.21 17:54:33 - [85] - Quote Twulf wrote: This is why EvE's Population is low, just look at the morons chasing a new player away. What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? To the OP, yes the EVE community is made up of mostly bullies I killed a two week old rookie who was running a data site last week and then tried to open a convo with him. I was going to explain how d-scan works and give him isk worth 2x his loss. He refused to even accept the convo request, so he got no isk or advice. Does that make me a bully, or someone trying to help rookies?
Zhutian Xinguang School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.08.21 18:34:46 - [86] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Cyber SGB wrote: Trolling or not, it doesn't matter. You should not tell someone in the new player forum to leave the game. Hell, you shouldn't tell someone to leave the game period. You should be ashamed of yourselves for doing so. You are not superior. You are a person playing a game. Nothing more, nothing less. Many of you should get warnings from CCP. Three warnings and you should be banned from posting in the new player forum. Pathetic. No, it's perfectly fine to point out to a player, especially a new player that this might not be the game for them. If they are expecting a standard MMO PvE experience, it is best that they are told this is a full-time PvP sandbox at the beginning rather than to string them along in a game that is not what they are looking for. That doesn't make you superior - it's just different strokes for different folks. Some people prefer to knit sweaters in their spare time and some prefer to participate in mixed martial arts fights. Neither is inherently better, but if Granny shows up to your MMA club by mistake, it probably is best to point her to the knitting shop next store than let her get into the ring. Erm, no. A "full-time PvP" sandbox". That's your version of the game. It is a sandbox though, and as such, can really be played anyway someone wants. People seem to make a habit of forcing their versions on other people and attacking any dissenting opinions. Here in new player forum and also in the Rookie help channel in game. If people want to stay in high sec and mine or do PvE for the rest of their game lives good for them. The other day I was told to get lost and was trolled in Rookie help for suggesting that high sec Scordite mining was a great source of easy ISK for new players. Which goes against the constantly parroted mantras there like "Career Agents, SOE, Join a Corp, PvP". There are way too many people in this game and on the forums with elitist attitudes. Welcome to MMOs right? EVE is no different in that respect than any other.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12835	Posted - 2015.08.21 18:51:23 - [87] - Quote meh it was already mentioned, and anyway he just posted and bailed. He's probably still clueless to what actually happened. His loss, he should have paid more attention. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1427	Posted - 2015.08.21 18:55:54 - [88] - Quote Zhutian Xinguang wrote: Erm, no. A "full-time PvP" sandbox". That's your version of the game. It is a sandbox though, and as such, can really be played anyway someone wants. People seem to make a habit of forcing their versions on other people and attacking any dissenting opinions. Here in new player forum and also in the Rookie help channel in game. Um. No. That is CCP's literal description of this game: CCP wrote: 7 PVP (PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER) The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment. As has been mentioned in previous sections any player can engage another player at any time in any place. CCP wrote: 5.3 SOME PLAYER JUST SHOT ME; IS THAT ALLOWED? In EVE Online, any player may attack any other player if they choose to, no matter where they happen to be. This is because EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core. New players should not be lied to about what kind of game this is. You can play this game in many ways, but it is always against the backdrop of a full-on, competitive PvP game. Telling a new player anything else is just setting them up for disappointment in the future.
Desert Frog Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 15	Posted - 2015.08.23 11:53:14 - [89] - Quote Rookie Systems Clellinon is not a rookie system. /thread Bedouin of the galactic shipping lanes... +é+» +º+ä+¿+¦+º+¦+è+½ +à+å +ú+ä+ü +º+ä+¼+à+º+ä +¬+¦+¦+ê +ú+ê+ä+ª+â +º+ä+¦+è+å +ü+¦+è+¦+¬ +¦+ä+ë +º+ä+¦+ü+º+»+¦
Desert Frog Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 15	Posted - 2015.08.23 11:58:54 - [90] - Quote Twulf wrote: What are you morons going to do when CCP has to close up shop due to the population dying off? is it me, or has EVE's demise been trumpeted for years? Bedouin of the galactic shipping lanes... +é+» +º+ä+¿+¦+º+¦+è+½ +à+å +ú+ä+ü +º+ä+¼+à+º+ä +¬+¦+¦+ê +ú+ê+ä+ª+â +º+ä+¦+è+å +ü+¦+è+¦+¬ +¦+ä+ë +º+ä+¦+ü+º+»+¦

Vila eNorvic 62	Posted - 2015.08.23 12:15:40 - [91] - Quote Desert Frog wrote: Rookie Systems Clellinon is not a rookie system. /thread Of course it is. Did you even read the list you linked?
Johnny Riko Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 12	Posted - 2015.08.23 15:43:03 - [92] - Quote Vila eNorvic wrote: Desert Frog wrote: Rookie Systems Clellinon is not a rookie system. /thread Of course it is. Did you even read the list you linked? I can confirm, eve players do not even read. Clear violation of the rules and people heckle him saying "pvp tho". He's correct, even if the amount of crybaby in his post is off the charts. I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 12928	Posted - 2015.08.23 20:18:05 - [93] - Quote Johnny Riko wrote: Vila eNorvic wrote: Desert Frog wrote: Rookie Systems Clellinon is not a rookie system. /thread Of course it is. Did you even read the list you linked? I can confirm, eve players do not even read. Clear violation of the rules and people heckle him saying "pvp tho". He's correct, even if the amount of crybaby in his post is off the charts. Confirming eve players don't read. As I showed in earlier unread posts, this didn't happen to the OP and in fact didn't happen in Clellinon. It happened to someone else, he read it in his chat, after ignoring it until he got back to Clellinon. zkillboard doesn't lie. l2r I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Desert Frog Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 15	Posted - 2015.08.24 09:31:36 - [94] - Quote Vila eNorvic wrote: Desert Frog wrote: Rookie Systems Clellinon is not a rookie system. /thread Of course it is. Did you even read the list you linked? I read starter systems - which is Cistuvaert. Didn't get to Career Agents. Oops. Bedouin of the galactic shipping lanes... +é+» +º+ä+¿+¦+º+¦+è+½ +à+å +ú+ä+ü +º+ä+¼+à+º+ä +¬+¦+¦+ê +ú+ê+ä+ª+â +º+ä+¦+è+å +ü+¦+è+¦+¬ +¦+ä+ë +º+ä+¦+ü+º+»+¦
Johnny Riko Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 13	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:43:59 - [95] - Quote Webvan wrote: Johnny Riko wrote: Vila eNorvic wrote: Desert Frog wrote: Rookie Systems Clellinon is not a rookie system. /thread Of course it is. Did you even read the list you linked? I can confirm, eve players do not even read. Clear violation of the rules and people heckle him saying "pvp tho". He's correct, even if the amount of crybaby in his post is off the charts. Confirming eve players don't read. As I showed in earlier unread posts, this didn't happen to the OP and in fact didn't happen in Clellinon. It happened to someone else, he read it in his chat, after ignoring it until he got back to Clellinon. zkillboard doesn't lie. l2r Your brilliant detective skills don't change the fact that for the first 2 pages people were heckling him, when what he claimed had happened is a violation of the rules. I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13045	Posted - 2015.08.24 23:35:09 - [96] - Quote Johnny Riko wrote: Your brilliant detective skills don't change the fact that for the first 2 pages people were heckling him, when what he claimed had happened is a violation of the rules. Well at least you read that far into the thread before shiptosting, I don't think the OP even came back after his. Not so brilliant, easy to find and validate, very basic research skills needed, excluding laziness. Some people noticed/felt something was amiss, and so it was. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:06:45 - [97] - Quote Troll or not... There are alot of players who want to get into eve, play the trial, enjoy themselves. Until CODE or whatever other ****** gank corp comes and ruins their fun. You can all say, it's game mechanics, It is a sandbox, yadiyadiyada.. Welcome to eve, HTFU... Well why even have highsec then? CCP must know they lose lots and lots of potential subscribers because of this and it's in no way fun for anyone, except maybe for the gankers who can flash their e-peen over some bullshit killmail. If it would be the real world, CONCORD would declare CODE and associates, enemies of the state and shoot em on sight! That is what should happen because they are no better then the pirate factions, they prey on the weak. Put up CONCORD gatecamps in high sec, their ** up. High sec should be safe for noobies, even if it is only 0.8-1.0, atleast it's something. Now they are never safe, if some guy tells you, pay me 10M and I won't shoot you, when you make the full 10M for an entire day of mining, there is no reason to play this game.. I am not talking about myself here, I am talking about the younger generation of gamers who just started playing this game and get shot in the face after just buying their venture or whatever.. You Vets are all of an older generation, you must have already noticed how games changed over the years, games used to be a challenge, all of them, no holding you hand, do this, do that.. Well newer generations aren't like that, they need games to tell them what to do. CCP should not hold their hands but atleast give them SOME SORT OF SAFETY until they get how the world of EVE plays out. When they leave that zone, warn them ANYTHING IS PERMITTED HERE. Give them a spot, where they are safe from gankers or you will never have a new influx of younger players and the game will die a slow death.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13060	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:23:29 - [98] - Quote @ paws Because you want everyone to stop what they are doing and play your way. The guy this did actually happen to didn't ragequit, he went right back out there. Not everyone wants to play your way. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:33:39 - [99] - Quote Webvan wrote: @ paws Because you want everyone to stop what they are doing and play your way. The guy this did actually happen to didn't ragequit, he went right back out there. Not everyone wants to play your way. It's not about how I want to play, I don't give a ** about the gankers. I know not to get caught like that, I don't even mine, it's about the game needing to adjust to newer generations or it will die eventually because there will be no influx of new players if the mechanic doesn't change. When this game started, all games were pretty hardcore in their own way and we were used to it, now all games are casual catered to new generations of gamers, younger people. 15years ago if you had to retry something 20 times because it was hard, you just did it. Now when people fail 3 times they just throw the game away. I don't want EVE to change the rules in any major way, but it has to go with its time. Therehas to be some kind of safety net for beginners, even if it is only in 0.8-1.0, make those sectors only have crap ores so profits will be superlow. And in that period make tutorials that absolutely let players now that all of that stuff can happen, send them on missions that will destroy their ship, whatever they do. Just so they know, ** happens and they have to be careful
Johnny Riko Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 13	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:37:07 - [100] - Quote Webvan wrote: @ paws Because you want everyone to stop what they are doing and play your way. The guy this did actually happen to didn't ragequit, he went right back out there. Not everyone wants to play your way. I agree with you, but I think the tutorial should be much more informative in telling new players what they are up against and what to look out for. I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.

Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1462	Posted - 2015.08.25 11:50:31 - [101] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: If it would be the real world, CONCORD would declare CODE and associates, enemies of the state and shoot em on sight! That is what should happen because they are no better then the pirate factions, they prey on the weak. Put up CONCORD gatecamps in high sec, ** their up. High sec should be safe for noobies, even if it is only 0.8-1.0, atleast it's something. Now they are never safe, if some guy tells you, pay me 10M and I won't shoot you, when you make the full 10M for an entire day of mining, there is no reason to play this game.. I am not talking about myself here, I am talking about the younger generation of gamers who just started playing this game and get shot in the face after just buying their venture or whatever.. This is a PvP sandbox game. If you want to someone's ** up, you are intended to do it yourself. Highsec criminals exists on purpose to give you some risk and something to fight over. There are there to create conflict. How does locking criminals out of highsec make the game at all better or more engaging? Keeping highsec not completely safe is mandatory if you want resource gathering, industry and the markets to have any meaning. This economy is one of the major draws of the game. The irony of these appeals for increased safety (think of the new players!) by industrialists is that it would destroy almost all the meaning and reward of their in-game activities. Veteran players also would move there and exploit the hell out of that free safety making it even harder for new players to get started. You could make a "safesec" for new players if you removed almost all rewards and prevented industry, trading and so forth but what would be the point? New players actually are more likely to stay with the game if they engage in PvP or are even ganked, and essentially no new players cite ship loss as the reason they quit. You would just be boring them out of the game. You are not a new player. You don't like CODE. because they interfere (however slightly) with your ISK making efforts in highsec. Don't project your needs and wants onto new players who are deciding whether they want to subscribe to this game. Solo Venture mining in highsec is honestly not the most compelling game experiences on offer in 2015, so why should CCP somehow protect that style of play over more social, dynamic and conflict-based play that does correlate with increased subscriptions?
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24888	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:27:50 - [102] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Well why even have highsec then? CCP must know they lose lots and lots of potential subscribers because of this CCP are well aware of this, and have been since 2003. They purposefully designed Eve to appeal to a small subset of MMO players. Quote: If it would be the real world, CONCORD would declare CODE and associates, enemies of the state and shoot em on sight! That is what should happen because they are no better then the pirate factions, they prey on the weak. Put up CONCORD gatecamps in high sec, ** their up. In the real world you're not an immortal, in the real world you can evade the long arm of the law. If you want to see CODE.s operations interfered with then it is up to you to do the interfering, you can shoot most of them in the face with zero repercussions from NPCs. Quote: High sec should be safe for noobies, even if it is only 0.8-1.0, atleast it's something. Now they are never safe, if some guy tells you, pay me 10M and I won't shoot you, when you make the full 10M for an entire day of mining, there is no reason to play this game.. I am not talking about myself here, I am talking about the younger generation of gamers who just started playing this game and get shot in the face after just buying their venture or whatever.. Hisec is somewhere where aggression comes at a cost, it's not meant to be safe for anybody. Quote: You Vets are all of an older generation, you must have already noticed how games changed over the years, games used to be a challenge, all of them, no holding you hand, do this, do that.. Well newer generations aren't like that, they need games to tell them what to do. There's plenty of games out there that cater for the newer generation, there's very few out there that cater to us older folks. Eve is where you come when you're bored of buying sequels and expansions while constantly being spoon fed the same old content time and time again. Quote:** CCP should not hold their hands but atleast give them SOME SORT OF SAFETY until they get how the world of EVE plays out. When they leave that zone, warn them ANYTHING IS PERMITTED HERE. Give them a spot, where they are safe from gankers or you will never have a new influx of younger players and the game will die a slow death. They have a spot, there's several solar systems in Eve where futzing with newbies results in being slapped by CCP. I agree that newbies should be warned that when they play Eve it is an environment that is harsh on the ignorant and the weak. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Johnathan Coffey Niforce Triggers 31	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:40:17 - [103] - Quote How is this thread still going? First rule of EVE UI: right click EVERYTHING.
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 12:49:22 - [104] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: You are not a new player. You don't like CODE. because they interfere (however slightly) with your ISK making efforts in highsec. Don't project your needs and wants onto new players who are deciding whether they want to subscribe to this game. Solo Venture mining in highsec is honestly not the most compelling game experiences on offer in 2015, so why should CCP somehow protect that style of play over more social, dynamic and conflict-based play that does correlate with increased subscriptions? This is in no way an argument to change the game's difficulty.. It's basicly saying, newbies need some kind of grace period to get up to speed.. I just recently restarted playing after being away for 4 years, so I'm still getting back into it. But I am not talking for my own benefit here. I don't make money in HS, I only sell loot there and I know how to do it safely. I joined a very small corp, with quite a bunch of noobies and they all say the same thing, why would I sub f I can't even do the most basic of things without getting destroyed to ****. Indeed CCP should not promote boring mining. But give noobs a chance to taste pvp atleast, make it so that they can join the Navy, give them some t1 fitted frigates and send them to systems with a bunch of other noobs in t1 frigs. You can't expect noobs to just pay for a frigate to then get it blown up after 5 seconds (which will definetly be the case) Give them some frigates for example in a region with a station that only hands out frigs but u can't take em out of that region. That would make for some good fun for noobs. Face it if you're a beginner pilot, you don't stand a chance in low sec. (I know there are youtube vids that state otherwise but those guys already have a ton of exp.) You need fighting experience to be able to do something, getting fighting experience as a noob is superhard if you have to pay for all frigates u lose. Mining is the fastest way for noobs to make ISK. That's why they mine if you can't mine cuz of ganks => you can't pay for new frigs = > no combat exp => no chance. join a corp for safety? => get wardecced for fun => same deal. I'm not saying my solution is great, heck it might even bad, but if you don't do ANYTHING, I am sure not a lot of new players will join.
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 256	Posted - 2015.08.25 13:46:12 - [105] - Quote Your grace period is as long as you make it. You can never leave Arlen if you don't really want to. Teach yourself the game via the Career Agents and then a CODE. Agent. This game is not designed to hold your hand. Go cut someone's hand off and hold it. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:01:10 - [106] - Quote Bellatrix Invicta wrote: Your grace period is as long as you make it. You can never leave Arlen if you don't really want to. Teach yourself the game via the Career Agents and then a CODE. Agent. This game is not designed to hold your hand. Go cut someone's hand off and hold it. You're slowly but surely destroying the game by harassing new players just because you don't have the balls to go to low/null-sec.
Adolph Weltschmerz Adolphs Plantation 11	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:25:19 - [107] - Quote Tarrum Tivianne wrote: Dear EVE, I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game. Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games. Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion. I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve. Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp. Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it. BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window. Thank you all, and good luck. For me it was the other way around. First time I lost a ship (T1 indy ganked in Hisec) i kept looking around to see where it would respawn. When i realized it was gone forever, thats what made me subscribe.
Sonya Corvinus Chickenhawk. 132	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:26:07 - [108] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: This is in no way an argument to change the game's difficulty.. It's basicly saying, newbies need some kind of grace period to get up to speed.. They already do. Harassing new players in these systems https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems is not allowed. That's the grace period. /thread
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 257	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:31:38 - [109] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Bellatrix Invicta wrote: Your grace period is as long as you make it. You can never leave Arlen if you don't really want to. Teach yourself the game via the Career Agents and then a CODE. Agent. This game is not designed to hold your hand. Go cut someone's hand off and hold it. You're slowly but surely destroying the game by harassing new players just because you don't have the balls to go to low/null-sec. sigh No, no we're not. I was posting here, honestly and truthfully, in order to help your Eve experience. This forum is designed to help and protect newbros. I respect that. I tossed in the bit at the end for a little RP humor, I apologize if that was out of line. The fact is, this game is exactly how you make it for yourself. I am not here to ruin anyone's experience; I am here to enhance it by collaborating with other pilots to create content. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 477	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:37:50 - [110] - Quote The trouble with CODE members is that they suffer no real repercussions aside from losing a ship they already planned to lose. insta undocks make them pretty much uncatchable out of a station. insta warping pods along with instadock BMs make them almost impervious whilst travelling around highsec - and since the clone update cost was removed there's no financial loss even if they do get smartbombed, they'll just have to restart their journey. Neutral alts mean they're financially stable and able to keep fully stocked on ships. I thought eve was supposed to have consequences for your actions. That said, I have no issue with highsec being dangerous - although certain gank mechanics are a shade imbalanced in favour of the aggressors (neutral bumping machs - like a guy on a busy street pushing wealthy passersby into an alleyway to get mugged by his mates and remaining ignored by the police.) but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24889	Posted - 2015.08.25 16:09:20 - [111] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: The trouble with CODE members is that they suffer no real repercussions aside from losing a ship they already planned to lose. That lack of repercussion somehow contains enough repercussion to discourage 90+% of hisec residents from suicide ganking. Quote: insta undocks make them pretty much uncatchable out of a station. insta warping pods along with instadock BMs make them almost impervious whilst travelling around highsec - and since the clone update cost was removed there's no financial loss even if they do get smartbombed, they'll just have to restart their journey. Neutral alts mean they're financially stable and able to keep fully stocked on ships. Mechanics which are universally available, everybody can use them to avoid the attentions of hisec mischief makers. Quote: I thought eve was supposed to have consequences for your actions. It does, it also has them if you fail to take appropriate actions to protect yourself. Quote: That said, I have no issue with highsec being dangerous - although certain gank mechanics are a shade imbalanced in favour of the aggressors (neutral bumping machs - like a guy on a busy street pushing wealthy passersby into an alleyway to get mugged by his mates and remaining ignored by the police.) There is only one crime in New Eden, unsanctioned aggression; a bumper does nothing wrong in the eyes of the "law" unless he opens fire. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1465	Posted - 2015.08.25 16:10:08 - [112] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: I thought eve was supposed to have consequences for your actions. The CODE. Alliance are those consequences.
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 478	Posted - 2015.08.25 17:47:42 - [113] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Eli Apol wrote: The trouble with CODE members is that they suffer no real repercussions aside from losing a ship they already planned to lose. That lack of repercussion somehow contains enough repercussion to discourage 90+% of hisec residents from suicide ganking. Perhaps 90+% of highsec residents have found more interesting activities than ganking to partake in - or are just used as hauling/incursion running/industry/trade alts...although I'd love to know where you plucked your 90% figure from in the first place. As for the rest of your post - I understand that the mechanics currently support this playstyle with very little repercussions for criminal elements in highsec - that was kind of my point although it seems to have sailed over your head at a rate of knots. Black Pedro wrote: Eli Apol wrote: I thought eve was supposed to have consequences for your actions. The CODE. Alliance are those consequences. Quite, please let me know when I'll have to worry about any consequences from your little highsec group, so far they've not bothered me in the slightest during my tenure aside from some local spam as I pass through Niarja but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 1212	Posted - 2015.08.25 17:55:35 - [114] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: it seems to have sailed over your head at a rate of knots. Just to add some useful content to this thread, what you just said is equivalent to "at a rate of miles per hour" or "at a rate of meters per second". IE it doesn't actually tell you how fast. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24889	Posted - 2015.08.25 18:13:38 - [115] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Eli Apol wrote: The trouble with CODE members is that they suffer no real repercussions aside from losing a ship they already planned to lose. That lack of repercussion somehow contains enough repercussion to discourage 90+% of hisec residents from suicide ganking. Perhaps 90+% of highsec residents have found more interesting activities than ganking to partake in - or are just used as hauling/incursion running/industry/trade alts...although I'd love to know where you plucked your 90% figure from in the first place. The 90% figure is a rough guesstimate based on the fact that there are very few groups who suicide gank. Quote: As for the rest of your post - I understand that the mechanics currently support this playstyle with very little repercussions for criminal elements in highsec - that was kind of my point although it seems to have sailed over your head at a rate of knots. It is you that missed the point. The repercussions that you say don't exist are enough to discourage most people from suicide ganking, ergo there are repercussions and they are sufficient for the job at hand. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1469	Posted - 2015.08.25 18:47:05 - [116] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Black Pedro wrote: Eli Apol wrote: I thought eve was supposed to have consequences for your actions. The CODE. Alliance are those consequences. Quite, please let me know when I'll have to worry about any consequences from your little highsec group, so far they've not bothered me in the slightest during my tenure aside from some local spam as I pass through Niarja You'll have to worry about them when you let your guard down and expose yourself to them. That is exactly why CCP has enabled criminals to operate in highsec - to serve as a risk, and a consequence, for players not protecting themselves, going AFK, or fitting for pure yield/cargo. Sounds like you are doing things right and not committing these highsec faux pas. Keep on following the Code like you are and you have nothing to fear in highsec from CODE. or any other suicide gankers. However, if you choose not to protect yourself, there will be consequences for your (in)actions, which very likely could be delivered by a CODE. Catalyst.
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 478	Posted - 2015.08.25 21:29:01 - [117] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: The 90% figure is a rough guesstimate based on the fact that there are very few groups who suicide gank. So extracted from your derriere perhaps with a smattering of anecdotal evidence, just as I thought. Black Pedro wrote: That is exactly why CCP has enabled criminals to operate in highsec - to serve as a risk, and a consequence, for players not protecting themselves, going AFK, or fitting for pure yield/cargo. Sounds like you are doing things right and not committing these highsec faux pas. Keep on following the Code like you are and you have nothing to fear in highsec from CODE. or any other suicide gankers. However, if you choose not to protect yourself, there will be consequences for your (in)actions, which very likely could be delivered by a CODE. Catalyst. It has nothing to do with your 'code' which is merely an excuse for profiteering as is evident by the number of players that you target whilst flying within your supposed parameters whilst completely ignoring the afk killright scammers that fly through the same systems. We get it, it's a great RP shtick but your 'code' is a load of balls to save your linemembers from having to think of their own material to post in local - probably a good idea. And as I've repeatedly said in this thread, I have no issue with risk in highsec - but the lack of repercussions in having a dedicated criminal alt that can stage from and pursue their activities in highsec in a risk free manner of their own is something I think is imbalanced. Now without repeating your RP baloney, try and engage your brain and answer that - it might be difficult for you since you haven't been fed this script by James315. but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1472	Posted - 2015.08.25 21:45:41 - [118] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: [quote=Jonah Gravenstein] And as I've repeatedly said in this thread, I have no issue with risk in highsec - but the lack of repercussions in having a dedicated criminal alt that can stage from and pursue their activities in highsec in a risk free manner of their own is something I think is imbalanced. Now without repeating your RP baloney, try and engage your brain and answer that - it might be difficult for you since you haven't been fed this script by James315. Calm down, miner - let's try to keep the personal insults out of this shall we? And I have repeatedly told you, criminals are the risk in highsec. How can you have player-driven risk if you make it impossible for players to effect that risk? Besides your premise is flawed - gankers suffer many mechanically imposed repercussions including ship loss, kill rights and security status loss, not to mention the significant risks that they may not succeed in a gank nor successfully retrieve the loot. There is no guarantee of success or profit, and of all the forms of PvP, suicide ganking is the easiest form to defend yourself against thus totally dependent on your opponent making a mistake. You can easily make gankers unable to pursue their activities by just paying attention and fitting sufficient tank. Ganking is only profitable for the gankers if you make it so. You literally hold all the cards. How is that at all unbalanced?
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 478	Posted - 2015.08.25 22:36:40 - [119] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Calm down, miner - let's try to keep the personal insults out of this shall we? Pot, kettle? Although I've not done any mining since huffing gas in a C5 many moons ago.... Black Pedro wrote: ship loss, kill rights and security status loss All of which have no effect on gankers as I already iterated upon. Security status means nothing when it imposes almost no restrictions on their activities due to current game mechanics; they have almost limitless travel via pods as well as the ability to stage from any system without any restrictions on station/facility usage, killrights are generally a pretty broken system overall and ship loss is factored into profit/loss calculations already as I'm sure you're aware. Sure these restrictions prevent people ganking with their main character but gank alts suffer no repercussions aside from a cheap loss that they've already mitigated themselves against. In terms of the player being responsible for their own ships in terms of tanking and responsible hauling of high value goods (and pretty much necessitating the use of a webbing alt if they're really serious) I'm in full agreement BUT that doesn't mean I agree with how lightly gank alts get away with things under the current mechanics. And ofc...bumping ships being ignored by the mechanics entirely when they're the lynchpin of the current freighter ganking operation is just laughable. Personally I've tried ganking, I know how easy it is - I've also avoided ganks my entire Eve career so I know how easy that can be (although I did once have a close call in Osmon flying a shiny tengu) - but trying to prevent a gank or even hunt criminals in highsec is next to impossible under the current system. but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 267	Posted - 2015.08.25 22:39:16 - [120] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: We get it, it's a great RP shtick but your 'code' is a load of balls to save your linemembers from having to think of their own material to post in local - probably a good idea. Okay, now I'm offended. I am eloquent, intelligent, funny and quick. You should come to Uedama sometime when I'm there. I've been told by some that I'm the single reason they dock up and read local. I have parts 1 and 2 out of 3 of a current arc on www.minerbumping.com right now, "The Newbie Brothers". My own material. scoff Be a Gallant, not a Goofus. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.

Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24893	Posted - 2015.08.25 22:53:49 - [121] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: The 90% figure is a rough guesstimate based on the fact that there are very few groups who suicide gank. So extracted from your derriere perhaps with a smattering of anecdotal evidence, just as I thought. The most prolific gankers in highsec are CODE. with circa 500 members, and MiniLuv with a varying membership count. I doubt that they and unaffiliated hisec gankers make up 5%, let alone 10%, of the hisec population over the course of a day; if they did the rate of hisec ganking would be much higher than it is. Anecdotal evidence it may be, pulled out of my arse it is not. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1472	Posted - 2015.08.25 23:18:54 - [122] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: Sure these restrictions prevent people ganking with their main character but gank alts suffer no repercussions aside from a cheap loss that they've already mitigated themselves against. In terms of the player being responsible for their own ships in terms of tanking and responsible hauling of high value goods (and pretty much necessitating the use of a webbing alt if they're really serious) I'm in full agreement BUT that doesn't mean I agree with how lightly gank alts get away with things under the current mechanics. Look, gankers are gonna gank. You either allow PvP in highsec or you don't. Making "just one more nerf" to satisfy your sense of justice isn't going to change anything. Making it harder to gank with more NPC-enforced hoops to jump through is just going to narrow the window of targets or increase the cost per gank for gankers, not stop them. Still, ships will explode in highsec and you or people like you will start the drum up again for yet another nerf so it will be balanced. Once players can protect themselves, it makes no sense to increase mechanical penalties on intended gameplay. Why should CCP make it impossible for players to be criminals and provide risk the intend after they spent all the time coding that possibility into the game? It makes no sense at all. Gankers are already at maximum risk: they are free to shoot and have an infallible NPC force shadowing them. Because of these onerous penalties, they risk only the minimum necessary to get the job done. This is a predictable outcome of tightening the screws on them. If you want gankers to risk more, gankers have to be allowed to risk more which will require the loosening of ganking penalties. Or they just won't as is the option of every player in this game who gets to choose what to risk when they undock. You can stop gankers, just not all of them. You have 100% control over making yourself unprofitable to gank. You also can protect a single target from multiple gankers with an ECM ship easily. Can you shut down a fleet of freighter gankers by yourself? No, but how would that be fair if a single player could thwart the efforts of 20-30? Ganking is not completely stoppable because it is not just a profession or activity, but an actual mechanism coded into the game. All players are subject to it and the risk it presents, including the gankers, their non-ganking alts that you seem fixated on, and their bumping ships. Any player can engage in PvP in highsec for the cost of their ship and as long as that remains allowed, players will suicide gank one another. One more nerf isn't going to change that - all it will do is enable players to shove more ISK into their ships before a ganker decides to explode it.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13075	Posted - 2015.08.25 23:53:27 - [123] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Webvan wrote: @ paws Because you want everyone to stop what they are doing and play your way. The guy this did actually happen to didn't ragequit, he went right back out there. Not everyone wants to play your way. It's not about how I want to play, I don't give a ** about the gankers. I know not to get caught like that, I don't even mine, it's about the game needing to adjust to newer generations or it will die eventually because there will be no influx of new players if the mechanic doesn't change. When this game started, all games were pretty hardcore in their own way and we were used to it, now all games are casual catered to new generations of gamers, younger people. 15years ago if you had to retry something 20 times because it was hard, you just did it. Now when people fail 3 times they just throw the game away. I don't want EVE to change the rules in any major way, but it has to go with its time. Therehas to be some kind of safety net for beginners, even if it is only in 0.8-1.0, make those sectors only have crap ores so profits will be superlow. And in that period make tutorials that absolutely let players now that all of that stuff can happen, send them on missions that will destroy their ship, whatever they do. Just so they know, ** happens and they have to be careful No, because if they cant take it the first six weeks, they won't take it the first six months, nor the fist six years. This is my snob post where I say if people cant take it, they should really stick to other games, after giving this game some reasonable trials at least (unlike the OP did). Because if people stick around that cant take it, they are going to whine and cry for CCP to change the game to be more like all those other fail games. Those people already have plenty of games like that to choose from, and lots of clones of them too, we have very few games now. I detest the new revolution in mmo's (I play no new mmo's), it's all about hand holding, money grubbing and fat whales that devs and publishers take advantage of in the tens of thousands of $$ each, I feel sorry for them, though they get what they deserve I guess. Many of the current player-base in EVE are old-school mmo players, want absolutely nothing to do with all that, we've staged riots over it to keep CCP from the idea. You may say you don't want that for yourself, but you want to cater to those that do, to keep them around, which is no different than wanting it for yourself. All that does is bring bad publicity to EVE, all the crying and whining for things to change, all the EVE is dyingGäó threads and here is my list of demands etc. People, like that, that just hold out to make big changes to EVE to make it like other games imo should just go away and forget about EVE. And the more CCP makes EVE easier, even for newbies, the more those people will stick around which will be bad for the continued growth and development of EVE. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.26 06:52:57 - [124] - Quote Gankers risk nothing, they have way too much reward for the risk they take. So what they lose their 2M ship and their 0 isk pod.. They always gain stuff, imo if you're security status is -5 or below you should be a KOS for CONCORD, or anyone for that matter.. You don't get -10 sec status by 1 gank, you get that by making a living of ganking. Why on earth can u shoot a 'suspect' but can't shoot a proven criminal.. If they would allow everyone to shoot people with low sec status things would be much better.
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 4287	Posted - 2015.08.26 07:28:46 - [125] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Gankers risk nothing, they have way too much reward for the risk they take. So what they lose their 2M ship and their 0 isk pod.. They always gain stuff, imo if you're security status is -5 or below you should be a KOS for CONCORD, or anyone for that matter.. You don't get -10 sec status by 1 gank, you get that by making a living of ganking. Why on earth can u shoot a 'suspect' but can't shoot a proven criminal.. If they would allow everyone to shoot people with low sec status things would be much better. Umm, you can shoot a criminal. That's kind of the point of -5 sec status, you're engageable everywhere at any time. Not only that but at -5 and below, the faction police will land on grid and start killing you if you stay in any one place for too long (seconds). That will happen even earlier than -5 sec in higher security systems. What you, and so many people seem to not realize is that gankers and pirates DO risk a lot. The thing is, they're smart about it and MANAGE their level of risk. That is why the catalyst is so popular for ganks, it's a cheap hull that puts out a lot of damage. Lots of bang for a ganker's buck. They know exactly what the risks are and do it anyway because they know how to manage them. The only way to get rid of ganking in HS is to program out it's very possibility. Something CCP will not do because it goes against the very nature of the game. This is not your friendly neighborhood MMO; this is EVE. Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting. Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1474	Posted - 2015.08.26 08:01:16 - [126] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Gankers risk nothing, they have way too much reward for the risk they take. So what they lose their 2M ship and their 0 isk pod.. They always gain stuff, imo if you're security status is -5 or below you should be a KOS for CONCORD, or anyone for that matter.. You don't get -10 sec status by 1 gank, you get that by making a living of ganking. Why on earth can u shoot a 'suspect' but can't shoot a proven criminal.. If they would allow everyone to shoot people with low sec status things would be much better. Wow, it is like the talking points from the Anti-Ganking channel came to life and made a forum post. Let's debunk these shall we? First, there is no guarantee of a ganker being successful. They are subject to interference by white knights and opportunists (who can shoot first - everyone can shoot a criminal), traps (Orcas and those fleet hangers have cost me many ships), links/implants messing with your math, or just the target getting spooked and docking up wasting all the effort of setting up the attack. Even if they destroy the target, they are then subject to the loot fairy taking the good drops or other people stealing or destroying the loot. All of this risk is further amplified by the costs of reduced security status, the loss of the ship, a kill right and 15 minutes of ship spinning. All of this for pretty much no reward. That was not always the case, but the profitability of ganking has been nerfed hard with the insurance removal, EHP buffs to industrial ships and CONCORD spawn time changes. It is now unprofitable to gank almost anything but faction+-fit ships or overloaded haulers. The math has been done several times on these forums, but even freighter and T1 hauler gankers who can make a living at it make less on average than a typical L4 mission runner when you factor in time hunting and scouting and the number of people required. How can you claim that gankers have too much reward when they are exposed to extreme risk, significant costs all for rewards that are less than the mission runner who risks essentially nothing?
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.26 08:23:31 - [127] - Quote This is the last time I'm posting here since there is absolutely no way of communicating with you guys about this topic. You guys are a bunch of dickheads who ruin the game for a hell of a lot of new players thus they don't continue playing. Meaning, EVE will steadily decline in numbers because people grow older and stop playing EVE because they have kids/whatever. But no new players come in, at least not at the rate old players quit. All because you are like grumpy old men who are too stubborn to realize that being stubborn and not want to adjust anything ever gets you nowhere. This game is what? 12 Years old? New people that do trials now, were 3 when it came out, they have a completely different mindset and if you want them to play your game, adjust to that. I'm not saying change the game completely, But the ganking in 1.0 systems is ******** Yes you want your game to stay the same forever, we get it. Comparable to old people that still write letters to people instead of sending an e-mail. We all think it's ridiculous, but we get it, they are too old to adjust. Same as you.
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 4291	Posted - 2015.08.26 08:37:32 - [128] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: This is the last time I'm posting here since there is absolutely no way of communicating with you guys about this topic. You guys are a bunch of dickheads who ruin the game for a hell of a lot of new players thus they don't continue playing. Meaning, EVE will steadily decline in numbers because people grow older and stop playing EVE because they have kids/whatever. But no new players come in, at least not at the rate old players quit. All because you are like grumpy old men who are too stubborn to realize that being stubborn and not want to adjust anything ever gets you nowhere. This game is what? 12 Years old? New people that do trials now, were 3 when it came out, they have a completely different mindset and if you want them to play your game, adjust to that. I'm not saying change the game completely, But the ganking in 1.0 systems is ******** Yes you want your game to stay the same forever, we get it. Comparable to old people that still write letters to people instead of sending an e-mail. We all think it's ridiculous, but we get it, they are too old to adjust. Same as you. We had a 14 year old in our corp who's recently left to try out Nullsec warfare. I'm 24. We have a lot of people in their early and late 20s in my corp. It's not an age thing, it's a mentality thing. While I do think there is a problem when it comes to attracting and keeping players to EVE, it's most certainly not ganking, CCP have even proven it's more likely to keep people around. A player who can't handle having a ship destroyed in a game that's about (among other things) blowing up space ships, wasn't long for EVE anyway. How are we 'dickheads' for pointing out simple facts? I haven't said anything insulting, or 'mean', I've simply corrected you and pointed out a simple truth. I'm not the one throwing around insults and trying to belittle the opposing argument by calling them old fuddy duddys or whatever. Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting. Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.26 08:48:28 - [129] - Quote Azda Ja wrote: CCP have even proven it's more likely to keep people around. What? Just.. what? I might have went overboard with the dickheads part, I appologize.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1475	Posted - 2015.08.26 08:50:40 - [130] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: You guys are a bunch of dickheads who ruin the game for a hell of a lot of new players thus they don't continue playing. Meaning, EVE will steadily decline in numbers because people grow older and stop playing EVE because they have kids/whatever. But no new players come in, at least not at the rate old players quit. Personal attack followed by unfounded speculations that are directly contradicted by statements from CCP developers. You are not helping the discussion. Monkey Paws wrote: All because you are like grumpy old men who are too stubborn to realize that being stubborn and not want to adjust anything ever gets you nowhere. This game is what? 12 Years old? New people that do trials now, were 3 when it came out, they have a completely different mindset and if you want them to play your game, adjust to that. I'm not saying change the game completely, But the ganking in 1.0 systems is ******** Yes you want your game to stay the same forever, we get it. Comparable to old people that still write letters to people instead of sending an e-mail. We all think it's ridiculous, but we get it, they are too old to adjust. Same as you. Eve is PvP sandbox game. This is spelled out clearly in the New Pilot FAQ. It sounds like your angst is stemming from your growing realization that Eve is not the game you thought it was. Well, you either adapt to the game CCP is selling or you go play something else. You don't get to come here and stamp your feet and insult players for playing the game as it was designed 12+ years ago. Players are intended to have risk, even in highsec and even in 1.0 systems. No where is safe in Eve. If new players can't handle that, they it best they find a less stressful game for them before they invest too much of their time and energy into this PvP game.

Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 4291	Posted - 2015.08.26 08:52:23 - [131] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Azda Ja wrote: CCP have even proven it's more likely to keep people around. What? Just.. what? I might have went overboard with the dickheads part, I appologize. Here you go. There is a presentation from the last fanfest going more in depth about it, but I can't find it right now. Apology accepted. EDIT: Pedro beat me to it. Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting. Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1476	Posted - 2015.08.26 09:14:21 - [132] - Quote Azda Ja wrote: There is a presentation from the last fanfest going more in depth about it, but I can't find it right now. The presentation link is this one: http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/639617004?t=3h15m00s
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.26 11:48:22 - [133] - Quote Well, it's CCP who says it so I guess what they say is correct on paper. But how much % actually fill in a form to state their reason to stop playing? How much % are actually just spy accounts and thus manipulate the numbers? I would guess people who are really salty about what happened wouldn't fill it in since everyone told them it's part of EVE. Well I guess suicide ganking is here to stay, but I still despise the act and I think it's one of the weakest(lame) ways to make ISK right behind scamming people.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11445	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:07:52 - [134] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Well, it's CCP who says it so I guess what they say is correct on paper. But how much % actually fill in a form to state their reason to stop playing? How much % are actually just spy accounts and thus manipulate the numbers? I would guess people who are really salty about what happened wouldn't fill it in since everyone told them it's part of EVE. Well I guess suicide ganking is here to stay, but I still despise the act and I think it's one of the weakest(lame) ways to make ISK right behind scamming people. Fyi ganks aren't actually all that common a thing outside of code. and the trade hub undocks. CODE. Thrive off of controversy and scandal, they literally live off of it so the signal to noise ratio is waaaaaaaaaaay off when discussing this topic. You are much more likely to get hit with a wardec from someone like us and those can be either avoided or trivialised fairly easily. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Monkey Paws Old Pueblo Traders 0	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:21:24 - [135] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Monkey Paws wrote: Well, it's CCP who says it so I guess what they say is correct on paper. But how much % actually fill in a form to state their reason to stop playing? How much % are actually just spy accounts and thus manipulate the numbers? I would guess people who are really salty about what happened wouldn't fill it in since everyone told them it's part of EVE. Well I guess suicide ganking is here to stay, but I still despise the act and I think it's one of the weakest(lame) ways to make ISK right behind scamming people. Fyi ganks aren't actually all that common a thing outside of code. and the trade hub undocks. CODE. Thrive off of controversy and scandal, they literally live off of it so the signal to noise ratio is waaaaaaaaaaay off when discussing this topic. You are much more likely to get hit with a wardec from someone like us and those can be either avoided or trivialised fairly easily. Well there is something wrong with the wardec mechanic as well You can basicly just make highsec your lowsec if you so desire.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24899	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:25:02 - [136] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Well, it's CCP who says it so I guess what they say is correct on paper. But how much % actually fill in a form to state their reason to stop playing? How much % are actually just spy accounts and thus manipulate the numbers? I would guess people who are really salty about what happened wouldn't fill it in since everyone told them it's part of EVE. Well I guess suicide ganking is here to stay, but I still despise the act and I think it's one of the weakest(lame) ways to make ISK right behind scamming people. It's often a means to an end, nothing more. While it may appear to be senseless spaceship violence on the surface there is often a deeper reason for it. Take CODE. for example; I know for a fact that several members of that alliance have alts or friends that mine, that produce and sell mining ships, freighters, destroyers, modules etc. The act of suicide ganking with the overall intent of profiting from replacing that which has been destroyed could be considered to be an aggressive marketing campaign, and the cost of doing so written off as a business expense. It's also used to drive out competition for resources and to strike at the supply lines of hostile corps and alliances that use NPC alts or 3rd parties to carry out their commerce at minimum risk. Eve is a hyper-capitalist universe where cut-throat practices in the pursuit of your goals are the norm, Weyland Industries would be right at home here. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11445	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:30:03 - [137] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Monkey Paws wrote: Well, it's CCP who says it so I guess what they say is correct on paper. But how much % actually fill in a form to state their reason to stop playing? How much % are actually just spy accounts and thus manipulate the numbers? I would guess people who are really salty about what happened wouldn't fill it in since everyone told them it's part of EVE. Well I guess suicide ganking is here to stay, but I still despise the act and I think it's one of the weakest(lame) ways to make ISK right behind scamming people. Fyi ganks aren't actually all that common a thing outside of code. and the trade hub undocks. CODE. Thrive off of controversy and scandal, they literally live off of it so the signal to noise ratio is waaaaaaaaaaay off when discussing this topic. You are much more likely to get hit with a wardec from someone like us and those can be either avoided or trivialised fairly easily. Well there is something wrong with the wardec mechanic as well You can basicly just make highsec your lowsec if you so desire. True but not what I assume you're driving at, as I said, wars are trivial to avoid, dropping or switching corp literally takes moments and there's absolutely nothing an aggressor can do about it . Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 4293	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:50:34 - [138] - Quote Please think about this Mr. Paws (hehehehe). The fact that ganking exists in game at all is wonderful. It gives the game character. The conflict it spawns, and is spawned from, makes EVE actually feel like a cyberpunk space space opera universe instead of just being painted like one. I don't even actively role-play, but in the background while I'm PvPing, or doing anything really, my inner 12 year old is playing pretend and it feels authentic because of the interactions possible. Let me tell you a quick story from my second week in the game, it's a story that I hold very dear when it comes to EVE. I had just started a 'Newbie PvP corp run by newbies' (I was adorable). One of the guys I had recruited was even newer than I and couldn't even wrap his head around some of the basics (yet). He got into a duel with a more experienced player and lost. Due to a language barrier, the vet thought my corp mate had insulted him; In response, the vet essentially held him hostage for an hour by warp scrambling his pod and refusing to kill him. My corp mate being so new, didn't realize he risked nothing by dying (no implants), or that he could self destruct his pod. My first thought was to tell him to self destruct and be done with it. Then I got an idea. "Wait a second Azda, what are you doing!? This is EVE! Kill that mofo!" I asked my corp mate what the guy was in. Just a Condor. Now we get to the important bit. I told my corp mate to click approach on the dude's ship, and accept my fleet invite, while I got busy buying and fitting a Catalyst. I had learned of CODE. by that time and heard about what they do with Catalysts and thought: "I can do that". Couple minutes later, I'm in warp, sweating, heart beating out of my chest and a bloodthirsty grin on my face. I land and see him start moving in panic; too late sunshine, Azda is here. Scram lands, blasters blast, ships explode, and concord sends me home. I avenged my corp mate, spilled space blood, and became obsessed with this game. I don't even gank much; I've done maybe 10 since i started, the mere fact these types of stories that I and many other have experienced are possible are justification enough for ganking to exist in my opinion. TL; DR: Ganking is simply a byproduct of the freedom the game and it's rules provide. The reason I and other people who aren't even gankers don't want it to be eliminated is that it would take away a part of what makes EVE special. We don't want WoW in Space (pardon the cliche, but it's apt in this case), we want EVE. Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting. Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13141	Posted - 2015.08.26 13:09:51 - [139] - Quote Monkey Paws wrote: You guys are a bunch of dickheads who ruin the game for a hell of a lot of new players thus they don't continue playing. The guy this actually happened to, the guy the OP was whining about, he didn't quit. He went right back out to try to exact his revenge. He'll prolly last longer than you! He might even gank you one day before you ragequit. Monkey Paws wrote: Meaning, EVE will steadily decline in numbers because people grow older and stop playing EVE because they have kids/whatever. But no new players come in, at least not at the rate old players quit. The avg age of EVE players is in their 30's, too late for that now. Or maybe only kids get the thought in their heads that adults eventually give up games at some point. hah kids these days geez Monkey Paws wrote: Yes you want your game to stay the same forever, we get it. Comparable to old people that still write letters to people instead of sending an e-mail. We all think it's ridiculous, but we get it, they are too old to adjust. Same as you. You're out of touch with reality, they teach you this stuffing in school? They treat you kids like turkeys, eh? How everyone needs to think and act and look alike, a product of group think ready to be controlled. I was probably hacking stuff with a hex editor before you were a twinkle in you parents eye. In my day, we had to walk seven miles in the snow to get to a computer lab, and we knew what fun was, and still do! You probably don't even have a clue what a door game is, and no it's got nothing to do with barney the dinosaur. But I do see a door in your future, maybe you should use it. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Giaus Felix Hedion University Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2015.08.26 13:38:45 - [140] - Quote Webvan wrote: In my day, we had to walk seven miles in the snow to get to a computer lab, and we knew what fun was, and still do! Ahh I remember the dawn of home computers, when 6502's and Z80's with 16-48kb of ram, and expensive 8086's with 128kb of ram, were more than enough.

Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11448	Posted - 2015.08.26 13:52:13 - [141] - Quote Yeah, the place has an edgy fear permeating it that I fell in love with. The risk of loss ,hell even the thought of it adds a lot to the game experience in my mind. No other game has ever made me nervous but eve still does so regularly, thers weight and consequence to actions here. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 271	Posted - 2015.08.26 14:55:10 - [142] - Quote The truth has been laid out for this guy time and time again; he refuses to see it. Even when confronted with hard data by CCP he still turns a blind eye. And people dare call us trolls. You've been given the exact reason(s) gankers gank. Read them and accept them then adapt or die, or leave. It is really easy to get me to either fail against you or pass you right by. Really easy. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Malt Zedong WorldTradersGuild.Com 1	Posted - 2015.08.28 09:35:20 - [143] - Quote It is just a misunderstanding of how combat in New Eden takes form. When you undock a steath ship, when you walk around a rogue, thief, spy or whatever in other MMOs, what you do ? You go sneaky, you cheap shot, you stab in the back. When you undock a massive BS tech II for infanty, or a Warrior, Fighter, Marine, or whatever in other MMOs, what you do ? You go head on full frontal on combat. You gotta play your strenghts. non-armed pilots are as able to fight their way as combat fighters, you just have to learn that: "You have no guns, so dont give your face to be shot on." The warrior pilots will come with honor, courage and ofensive talking, that is their counter to non-combat pilots, and that the only weapon they have to draw you to face them in THEIR strenghts. Most people fall for it, and die for it. There was a scene in the tv show "12 Monkeys" when Remy is in Jail abroad and a big hulking guy who doesnt speak english shows up to beat and kill him. The dialog goes like this: The big guy: "Do you think I have forgotten you ? Did you think you could have peace ? Little man, I am your master. " Remy stands up and goes to the center of the yard, until then never spoke to the crowd. Then he talks fluently in local language. Remy "For years I have endured this man. Never once revealing that he works for the guards. He is a snitch who has undermined you. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Remy goes to the big guy and whispers closely in english when he knows the guy actually understands: Remy: "I killed you, without lifting a finger." People often complain about CCP oblivious to the fact that CCP gives all the tools needed for you to combat in any aspect of the universe, true to the idea of sandbox and player driven content. Average people just dont know another way of fighting that is not shooting in the face.
Bellatrix Invicta The Conference Elite CODE. 315	Posted - 2015.08.28 14:50:37 - [144] - Quote GÇ£Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaegar died.GÇ¥ - George R. R. Martin via Ser Jorah Mormont If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
MTB Fritz Pollard We will bock you 0	Posted - 2015.09.14 14:46:55 - [145] - Quote Tarrum Tivianne wrote: Dear EVE, I have just started eve a few days ago, caught on quickly, love this game. Am on 30 day trial and doing tutorials on windows 10, fast quick no problems, as with all my games. Today only playing a few days, close to the end of my tutorial i came across a problem i was warned about, code extortion. I am in .8 space, academy, Clellinon, local chat: Codebandit to Cusin Boneless "10 mill to mine", "prmise i wont pew ya".... Well, got to more reading on the forums, alas i am now very disappointed in the community of eve. Other games have pvp/pve, BUT they have consentual and/or areas where new player will have to go eventually for open pvp. Open PVP is ok, BUT to extort new players in or near new player schools, when others like me on trial see this, guess what, i will not be subscribing, dang it. BTW, i have a screenshot of the hud and conversation window. Thank you all, and good luck. This is how EVE works. If you cannot adjust to this or accept this condition then EVE is not the game for you as you will only get frustrated and angry.


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