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Alton
Caldari
Deadzone Innovation Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:50:00 -
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What is the world coming too
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:51:00 -
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Not gonna happen 
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:57:00 -
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does this mean we could lock up DS for "crimes against forums"?
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Allen Deckard
Gallente
LFC
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:58:00 -
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this quote from the page completely invalidates anything on the page.
"GP: The translation of original web page was accomplished via Google, so itĘs rather imprecise. I have made small edits to the Beckstein quotes which seem contextually correct."
your gonna quote someone but "make small edits"
Blah where you find this drivill.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:00:00 -
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I would totally help bust out DS if they did that one.
Good ol' shoot-em-up style western jailbreak. Maybe I'd make some weapons out of those violent games. Couple DVD Axes, minidisk shuriken, etc.
Although, CD/DVD launched out of a slingshot is pretty damned deadly...
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Sylaine
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Allen Deckard
Blah where you find this drivill.
tbh i found it amusing
. o O (wonder what game that politician plays online probably gets killed alot whatever it is hehe)
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Beef Hardslab
AlphaHivE
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:03:00 -
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ROFL... idiots....
Everyone knows it's the cartoons that make you kill.
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Elliot Reid
Gallente
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Elliot Reid on 08/12/2006 15:04:12
I'm so sick of some idiots giving murderers and other scum the excuse that computer games/violent films caused them to do the **** they do.
I know this is an old argument but I get the impression the killing of people, and other criminal activities have been going on since man started to walk upright or Adam and EVE lived in the garden of Eden depending on your viewpoint.
I've played computer/console games since the 70's, I've watched many hundreds, if not thousands, of very violent films (including the original Video Nasties when they first came out) and I've not raped, pillaged, murdered, robbed, stabbed or even had a fight since I've left school.
Simple fact is you have to be screwed up in the head in the first place to do stuff like that and giving people a ready made excuse isn't helping.
This argument has been going on for so long and it was **** when it first came out and it's **** today.
regards
Oh and the possible angry tone of this post is in no way caused by computer games (but then again the #22 in a queue message I got last night was a little miffing) 
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Nir
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Beef Hardslab
ROFL... idiots....
Everyone knows it's the forum whines that make you flip out and kill people.
fixed :x
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Vidar Kentoran
Minmatar
Provenance.
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:05:00 -
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Crazy politicians proposing economic absurdities in random countries hardly signifies anything, let alone the 'end of games'.
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Andrea Tesla
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:08:00 -
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You need to see Becksteins approach in context.
Politically he comes from the most conservative party in germany. However, he never made it out of state politics, while having big ambitions during the last elections for the german Bundestag.
Also, the bavarian politicians are well known to shoot with unguided siege launchers on pods.
The recent bloody amok run at a german school made the population cry out and look for a person responsible for it.
As politicians never like to be responsible for it, they were looking for an easy explanation... hence they made the approach to ban "Killerspiele" (trans: killer games), where "people get more points, when they hack of the opponents arm and legs, before executing them". Suddenly politicians were talking about games where the player is encouraged to kill children and *****women... when well informed people had no idea, what kind of game that would be.
Fact is, that there is a rather strict policy on violence in games and movies in german for centuries already, called the FSK, which is very similar to the US rating system, only that the FSK allows very much erotic and nudity, while tending to block out violence.
For the game Command & Conquer (decades ago) for example, the devs needed to turn the soldiers into robots and made the blood black, calling it oil, to avoid a PG-18 rating.
The legal means to get rid of violent games were there all the time. Unfortunately now, Counterstrike and similar games are suddenly called the root of all evil, when in fact, the parents and the people who knew the amok-kid should be asked, where they were looking at, when that guy was able to aquire a handful of illegal weapons (in germany, it is illegal to own any automatic or semi-automatic weapon, even if you only got them at home in a secure container).
So a few days ago, the german newspaper "Die Welt" published an article, trobbing of sarcasm, about the african continent and how those people are even able to commit all the violence and bloodshed, that is in the news almost daily, when they do not have any computers to "learn" the violent behaviour from CS and the likes.
The discussion will soon fade away, I guess.. Even faster, when there is some new "hot topic".
AT
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Desiderious
Gallente
Catalyst Reaction
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:08:00 -
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Youll Never take me alive coppers! PIIIIIGGGGS!!! *pictures himself going down in a blaze of fire, controller in hand, by resisting arrest for playing GTA*d
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:11:00 -
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It seems to me anything is possible in Europe - most of you guys arent as big on personal freedom as the US.
I think in Britian you can be arrested for saying something racist.
I just read about one country outlawing various types of Muslim clothing.
A great many Euros I talked wanted limits on freedom of the press after the Mohammod cartoon fiasco.
At this point no respressive law out of Europe would surprise me.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Deckard
this quote from the page completely invalidates anything on the page.
"GP: The translation of original web page was accomplished via Google, so itĘs rather imprecise. I have made small edits to the Beckstein quotes which seem contextually correct."
your gonna quote someone but "make small edits"
Blah where you find this drivill.
Umm he edited the mistranslation to make it an accurate translation. Learn to read.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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The Chauffeur
Amarr
Ordo Draconis
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:17:00 -
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we live in a culture of fear. if you don't like it, vote.
if you don't live in a place where you can vote, revolt.
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:33:00 -
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Careful Ghoest, unless you're really well informed about Europe (which you apparently aren't), you really shouldn't say anything of that sort. Secondly, don't paint all Europeans with the same brush, Europe has many countries, most of which are completely different. Not a flame, just a friendly warning, before many of us start voicing exactly what we think of the US.
In Britain, it isn't so much racist comments you can be arrested for, free speech is as valued here as anywhere else. It's inciting violence that gets people arrested. For instance making a joke about Indians in public wouldn't get you prosecuted (unless you were deliberately saying it to Indians, that's verbal assault, which is actually a crime technically), but going out with a sign saying "Kill all the n*****s" would have you in the back of a police car faster than you can blink.
The law on Islamic clothing was in France. The law was proposed to outlaw the headscarf/veil in schools. Of course it had people up in arms about it. Seems to me they were taking that law to a slight extreme, but I'm no Frenchman so I won't comment further.
The Mohammed cartoon fiasco was a load of s**t. Extremely ironic too, I believe the cartoon portrayed Islam as a violent religion. What was the response? Rioting, burning flags, attacking embassies (and yes I am entirely aware only a small minority carried out such acts). But it's extremely unlikely there will be any laws passed limiting the press in such a manner, but suffice to say the media will probably be 'advised' to avoid pulling that kind of stunt again (hell it's bad business sense anyway).
Ok, changing subject, the German censorship of games sounds somewhat overkill to me. In the UK we have age ratings (which actually mean something). It's illegal to sell games to someone under that age rating. Of course kids get their hands on such games anyway, but that's the parents' fault. If I ever have kids, no way are they getting hands on games they're too young for.
I doubt any serious move will ever be made on gaming violence, common sense is so strongly against such policies.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:49:00 -
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Phew! And I thought only America had such clueless, ignorant and out of touch "lawmakers" like this guy. Hurrah for balance!
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Pac SubCom
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Pac SubCom on 08/12/2006 15:54:46
Originally by: Ghoest
At this point no respressive law out of Europe would surprise me.
Bear in mind that this "proposal" comes out of Bavaria, which the heart of darkness. It is not representative of Germany or even all of Europe.
Beckstein is also not the "Minister of the Interior" of Germany, the article got that wrong. He is Minster of the Interior for Bavaria. And he is a ravening hardliner in the most hard line party in the most conservative state of Germany. It is a party that would never have a chance except in the heart of darkness, and indeed it only exists there. It's a little more complicated, but I'll leave it at that.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:56:00 -
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you know back in the 1930s the US banned alcohol, and we got places as a result called a Speakeasy where you could get your hooch without the feds knowing.
i can see it now in Germany if this law gets passed, Gaming Speakeasies with all the FPSs stored on RAMDRIVEs(and only windows or Linux on the HDD) and a power kill switch rigged up so if the cops bust in they hit the switch and kill the power clearing any evidence just like the pushbutton beer drop in the old US speakeasies.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:57:00 -
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Guns don't kill people, rappers do.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:07:00 -
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ZOMG! I R not FX'd by teh gamez I playz.
If I m33t this h4xor politik g33z0r irl I r gonna BOOM headshot! his azz
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: DarkFenix
Careful Ghoest, unless you're really well informed about Europe (which you apparently aren't), you really shouldn't say anything of that sort. Secondly, don't paint all Europeans with the same brush, Europe has many countries, most of which are completely different. Not a flame, just a friendly warning, before many of us start voicing exactly what we think of the US.
In Britain, it isn't so much racist comments you can be arrested for, free speech is as valued here as anywhere else. It's inciting violence that gets people arrested. For instance making a joke about Indians in public wouldn't get you prosecuted (unless you were deliberately saying it to Indians, that's verbal assault, which is actually a crime technically), but going out with a sign saying "Kill all the n*****s" would have you in the back of a police car faster than you can blink.
The law on Islamic clothing was in France. The law was proposed to outlaw the headscarf/veil in schools. Of course it had people up in arms about it. Seems to me they were taking that law to a slight extreme, but I'm no Frenchman so I won't comment further.
The Mohammed cartoon fiasco was a load of s**t. Extremely ironic too, I believe the cartoon portrayed Islam as a violent religion. What was the response? Rioting, burning flags, attacking embassies (and yes I am entirely aware only a small minority carried out such acts). But it's extremely unlikely there will be any laws passed limiting the press in such a manner, but suffice to say the media will probably be 'advised' to avoid pulling that kind of stunt again (hell it's bad business sense anyway).
Ok, changing subject, the German censorship of games sounds somewhat overkill to me. In the UK we have age ratings (which actually mean something). It's illegal to sell games to someone under that age rating. Of course kids get their hands on such games anyway, but that's the parents' fault. If I ever have kids, no way are they getting hands on games they're too young for.
I doubt any serious move will ever be made on gaming violence, common sense is so strongly against such policies.
Well it looks like your review of my annecdotes actually validates them. The fact that you dont realize this seems to validate my view on Europe. Particularly the comment on Britain. Also there is another country I read about last month making a law againt Muslim women wearing certain head wear in public.
Im not saying that law will happen, but I can easily imagine anything like that happening in the EU.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:08:00 -
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These guys ***** me up. Personally, I believe if people could NOT outlive their aggressions in these kinds of games, there would be MORE such happenings. When I feel like going postal, I do it on my comp, not IRL. Isn't that a good thing?
I think the real problem is the way children are raised today, getting more money as a replacement for less attention from their parents, being bombarded by utterly mindless shows on TV which they consume instead of reading a good book, starting way too early with drugs and sex, being told you have to be an ass to advance at every turn instead of learning proper morals...
And yeah I am an old fart (well older than 30 anyway) who thinks everything was better in the past. It was too!
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Mirasta
Caldari
Enigma Enterprises
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:19:00 -
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OMG SENSE OFFENCE
They r s3nd teh kleriks z0mg D:
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:19:00 -
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Das grose kakaten ist der lolozawx. Bwahahahaha, another fricky old guy not knowing anything about the matter except his "grandchild plays too many hours" and all "those teenagers go on a killing spree".
We should have mental check and modern day awareness testing module.
Rofl....
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 08/12/2006 16:26:09
I vote for building a big bunker, where all people get locked up in their personal cell to have a secure life. Robots need to bring the food etc. to reduce the risk of someone in charge going crazy. Who needs freedom, if we can live in 99.99999% safety ? 
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codepic
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:30:00 -
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So instead of violence we would have MMOs about humping my little ponys on a meadow with Barbie & Ken?
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Nefertuss
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
being told you have to be an ass to advance at every turn instead of learning proper morals...
Are you suggesting we lie to our children?
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: DarkFenix on 08/12/2006 16:51:44
Originally by: Ghoest
Well it looks like your review of my annecdotes actually validates them. The fact that you dont realize this seems to validate my view on Europe. Particularly the comment on Britain. Also there is another country I read about last month making a law againt Muslim women wearing certain head wear in public.
Im not saying that law will happen, but I can easily imagine anything like that happening in the EU.
You can easily imagine it? All that really shows is how limited your perception of Europe really is. You're drawing conclusions from basically no evidence and stereotyping the whole of Europe from it.
So where are you actually from? How many Europeans do you actually know? How many countries in Europe have you been to? Perhaps the answers to those questions can shed a little bit of light over your views of our incredibly repressive society.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:20:00 -
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Not really.
Its actually hard to imagine it being "illegal' to use an offensive word(not an actual threat mind you) yet thats exactly what Britian has.
You have no firm barriers protecting freedom.
If you dont have freedom of speach whats makes you think you have freedom of vidio games. You are probably just crazy killing spree away from losing vidio games and you dont even realize it.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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