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Soren
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:26:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Avon
ZOMG! I R not FX'd by teh gamez I playz.
If I m33t this h4xor politik g33z0r irl I r gonna BOOM headshot! his azz
i loled
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Ione Hunt
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:34:00 -
[32]
They're nuts! The fact that I walk around London with 5 midgets dressed up as drones and armed with Uzzis has NOTHING (!!!) to do with my love for a computer game. And if they kill some random noob on Oxford Circus, so what? He'll come back once he woke up at the cloning station.
He might not have his clone updated, but that's not my problem. It's RL, ppl HAVE to pay attention to drone midgets 
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:40:00 -
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How is this not locked for politics.
In the UK we protect the right of an individual not to be abused and victimised as opposed to protecting the biggotted idiots rights to talk bollox.
Thats why the biggotted idiot in the UK has all his teeth (USA equivalent no bullet holes). Feel free to come to the UK and exercise free speech my money is on you getting assaulted before you actually get arrested.
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I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:41:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 08/12/2006 17:57:55
As an EVE addict I thought guys like we are quixotic.
But no! As a German I have to say those german +reallife politicians˝ are.
This is a stupid old generation which are so far away from reality that they aren't able to analyze what's the nature of the problem. They are helpless looking for a punching bag to punish someone with the attitude: look, we solved the problem by new tons of senseless rights and regulations. They are used to get their salary plus bonuses anyway for all their mistakes and incompetence level 10. So what should we expect from those worms of vacuum? That those ******* understand our world?! Our society - THEY ARE FU**ING UP ACTUALLY BTW. - with all those complex problems?! We had a welfare state a long time ago. This is gonna be history excactly because of those old guys and then they wonder that a kid with future fear and frustration run amok?
The major problem why kids do a killing spree in a school is NOT COUNTERSTRIKE [I am tired of reading the clichT all the time] or any other game. It's their parents and our society ... OUR POLITICIANS just greedy for power and one aim: elect me and I will promise that ... nothing happens. I am playing games since cabinets at the chip shops and have played all type of games from Pacman to Doom 3 ... I never had any feeling to do a Unreal session at school nor beeing frustrated by life or games because my parents took care of my education and that I get much social and intelligence skills for my life.
I am looking forward to a discussion at court when those worms of incompetence with skilled incontinence level 5 will put me and the CCP CEO's to jail for one year because I accomplished Pirate Slaughter 4.
Presidente Gallente
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Illifae
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:49:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Illifae on 08/12/2006 17:51:12
Edited by: Illifae on 08/12/2006 17:50:22
Edited by: Illifae on 08/12/2006 17:50:00
Originally by: Ghoest
Not really.
Its actually hard to imagine it being "illegal' to use an offensive word(not an actual threat mind you) yet thats exactly what Britian has.
You have no firm barriers protecting freedom.
If you dont have freedom of speach whats makes you think you have freedom of vidio games. You are probably just crazy killing spree away from losing vidio games and you dont even realize it.
You're an inbred colonial fool 
My freedom of speech is just fine.
If you feel offended you can report my "crime" to the authorotais here:
http://www.met.police.uk/computercrime/index.htm#rep
Do tell me how you get on, there's a good chap.
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Deidranna
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:03:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Deidranna on 08/12/2006 18:05:36
Beckstein is an idiot
he wants to put ppl in chains for smoking, drinking, driving etc etc etc
but he is not alone, there is teh Darklord himself, Edmund Stoiber and his two horned buddy Uwe Schnnemann.
Can't wait for calls to ban racing games, i'm sure many people have them on their hds and may be some of some are to fast, sometimes :)
Ban racing games, they are the devil.
And ofc, cant wait for the headline:
Student ran amok, 10 people killed, many injured. he played forbidden Killerspiele in his sparetime.
GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
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Baron Logoffski
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:08:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Presidente Gallente
Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 08/12/2006 17:43:48
As an EVE addict I thought guys like we are quixotic.
But no! As a German I have to say those german +reallife politicians˝ are.
This is a stupid old generation which are so far away from reality that they aren't able to analyze what's the nature of the problem. They are helpless looking for a punching bag to punish someone with the attitude: look, we solved the problem by new tons of senseless rights and regulations. They are used to get their salary plus bonuses anyway for all their mistakes and incompetence level 10. So what should we expect from those worms of vacuum? That those ******* understand our world?! Our society with all those complex problems?!
The major problem why kids do a killing spree in a school is NOT COUNTERSTRIKE [I am tired of reading the clichT all the time] or any other game. It's their parents and our society. I am playing games since cabinets in french-fries restaurants and have played all type of games from GT to Doom ... I never had any feeling to do a Unreal session at school nor beeing frustrated by life or games because my parents took care of my education and that I get much social and intelligence skills for my life.
I am looking forward to a discussion at court when those worms of human beeings tried to drop me to jail for one year because I accomplished Pirate Slaughter 4.
Presidente Gallente
I have to agree with you there. 1st they blamed TV. then then blamed rock stars like Ozzy, Judas Priest, etc. Now it's violent video games. When are governments going to learn that these games are not the reason for these people do what they have done. In the US we have a rating system for these games. It is intened for parents to use as a recommendation of what they want their child to expierence. I would think a parent would know the maturity level & what they can or cannot handle, of their child. If the parent buys one of these games and their child commits suicide or murder, is it the company who made the game fault or the parent?
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Decadent Diva
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:13:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Baron Logoffski
In the US we have a rating system for these games. It is intened for parents to use as a recommendation of what they want their child to expierence. I would think a parent would know the maturity level & what they can or cannot handle, of their child. If the parent buys one of these games and their child commits suicide or murder, is it the company who made the game fault or the parent?
it's easier for some 60y+ old politicans to ban things they dont understand (games) as spend money on youthcare etc.
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Brolly
Caldari
The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:16:00 -
[39]
I would personally blame the lack of any deccent psycological help available to people in our crazy world.
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:25:00 -
[40]
Might be mildly entertaining for most of you guys, but I'm actually living in Germany, and trust me, it ain't.
The exact wording of the law that Beckstein proposed actually classified any game that involves the player taking direct action in killing another person as "Killerspiel", and hence rendering it illegal. Weird examples: Morrowind/Oblivion give you direct control over your character, hence it is illegal, while in Diablo, you only give your character a command which he executes, hence it being legal. Same for strategy games, no matter how graphic they are.
And, for some time, age restrictions on games have been legally binding over here as well. If you're 15 years old, you won't get a game labelled 16+. Games containing any sort of direct violence are usually at least 16+, in most cases 18+. These age restrictions are handled by the BPjM ("Bundesprnfstelle fnr jugendgefShrdende Medien" which roughly translates to "Bureau for testing of youth endagering media" or something), which nowadays has to deal with rather retarded requests from the government anyways. (Like e.g. having to play games all the way through. Including the ones with streaming, player created or procedurally created content. I think one can tell politicians are not gamers.)
In addition there is another institution who is in charge of placing violent games on the 'index' in case someone requests the game getting investigated, and indexing the game is deemed appropiate. This entity is seperate from the BPjM, and indexing can happen regardless of what age restriction the BPjM assigned to the game. As this entity only works on request, this leads to rather funny results as well. The first Unreal Tournament was indexed 2,5 years after it's release in Germany, because an angered father saw his son playing it and made a large fuss about it. A game placed on the index may not be advertised, may not be openly placed in store shelves, and may not be mentioned in any magazines. Assuming you know a store that does carry indexed games, you have to walk up to the store clerk, show him your passport and then request the game. This also yields funny effects like magazines always tagging a "(dt.)" at the end of the name of indexed games, to indictate they are talking about the censored German version, and not the indexed original one. Alternatively, magazines find other names for them in case there is no censored German version. Like "Beben 3" for Quake 3, Beben being the German translation of the word Quake, despite there being no game called Beben 3.
In general you can say that German law is rather uptight on computer game violence, and that this issue has arisen every time some student went bonkers and shot people.
What worries me is that Germany is governed by nutcase politicians who dismiss the actual facts of these incidents, and use computer games as the scapegoat because it's more convenient. In the most recent case, the student actually wrote a lengthy letter on what he viewed as wrong with society and also wrote out his motivation in detail. He was also beaten up at school, with the teachers turning a blind eye. He was also able to buy guns over the internet with little to zero problems. But obviously the fault lies with violent computer games. (Counter-Strike for some reason always being named as the most dangerous one. Evidently it was found in the possession of most of the young people who went on a shooting spree. =/)
What makes the thing especially ridiculous is that Germany has a nine month long compulsory military service, and hence many Germans get at least some training to kill people anyways. But noo, obviously the games are at fault again.
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Rey Xavier
Gallente
Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:39:00 -
[41]
I think that people all over the world can learn from this. Right now it's all over the press: "killer games" instead of FPS and bloody pictures - who are taken from MODs or english, but not the german versions which are already modified to be less violent. It's opinion making at it's best. But we as gamers do very well know what's fake and what cheap tricks are used. The point is that such opinion making and cheap tricks are nowadays commonly used all over the world - so people really need to be watchful and use common sense whenever politicians open their mouths - and not only in Germany but also in the US and the rest of the world.
Simplified you are only allowed to have firearms at home if you re huntsman or are in a gun club. Usually that's also where most of the homicidal maniacs over here get their guns from and their skill in using them - not from playing CS but by stealing the guns from their father or even being in a gun club themselves.
You would expect that someone calling out loud that he wants to prevent such things from happening would take an objective look at the reasons and if he wants to forbid games he would also forbid gunclubs and do something against the social problems/school situation leading to such crimes. But I am sure he has quite some friends who are huntsman and that social stuff is expensive - so let's just take the cheap and easy solution.
And finally I see many people post there like "haha politicians are stupid". As you can hopefully see they are not at all. The tactics of opinion making works very well - because a lot of people sit all day long in front of their TV and are not interested in politics at all. Still they are voters, you just have to feed them enough silly stuff, frighten them, whatever - so they will go and vote for you.
In the end it's the politicians smiling about us being stupid while they fill their wallets...
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:51:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Aion Amarra on 08/12/2006 18:52:12
Aye. People are literally being controlled by the media.
Especially bad back with the Kassel case back then, which was all over the news. News on TV showing scenes out of Soldier of Fortune, but labelling them as coming from Counter-Strike, newspapers telling people that Counter-Strike gives players bonus points for killing old women with baby carriages, all the 'professionals' in the matter stating that Counter-Strike was obviously at fault for the school shooting... when the student in question apparently didn't have an internet connection.
Obviously police reports like the one with the internet connection, and other stuff pointing AGAINST games being at fault (and there were a ton of them), were never published on the news or on any bigger newspaper.
EDIT: The letter from the guy behind the most recent school shooting I mentioned in my post above was actually published by several pages on the internet... and force removed by the government. Uh?
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off his horse." and "I helped my uncle jack off his horse."
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Khorian
Gallente
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:52:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Aion Amarra
Might be mildly entertaining for most of you guys, but I'm actually living in Germany, and trust me, it ain't.
Don't worry too much about it, it's a brainfart of some helpless politicians that need the attention. I still have faith that we have a majority of intelligent, logically thinking politicans to take care of this situation properly.
If that law passes tho, I would like to see all gamers move to their local police station and have themselves arrested. Now wouldn't that be a funny view. Millions of Counterstrikers, friendly sons/ daughters, coworkers, pupils
in jail, hurray!
This law won't happen tho (because we allready have a law that prohibits the selling of 18rated games to minors)
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:55:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Aion Amarra on 08/12/2006 18:56:25
Edited by: Aion Amarra on 08/12/2006 18:56:12
The problem with the most recent case is that the student in question was 18 years old, and hence an adult. Selling the games to minors is not the issue.
What I'd like to see, however, is the entire gaming industry leaving Germany, every single gamer moving out of Germany, and all computer game trade in Germany halting completely, and the subsequent effects on the German economy, in case that this law does get passed.
Seeing that I get out of the country in case this crap DOES happen, is going to be pretty much the first thing I'll do.
EDIT @ Kharakan below: Wtf?
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Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off his horse." and "I helped my uncle jack off his horse."
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Kharakan
Amarr
New World Disorders
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:56:00 -
[45]
IBJT!
(That's 'in before Jack Thompson' btw.)
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Amael Galenus
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Posted - 2006.12.08 19:19:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ghoest
Not really.
Its actually hard to imagine it being "illegal' to use an offensive word(not an actual threat mind you) yet thats exactly what Britian has.
You have no firm barriers protecting freedom.
If you dont have freedom of speach whats makes you think you have freedom of vidio games. You are probably just crazy killing spree away from losing vidio games and you dont even realize it.
What makes you so sure that you have freedom?:
Cell Phone Picture Called Obstruction Of Justice
Busted for wearing a peace T-shirt
I'll take EU laws & freedoms over the like of that any day...
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Iudex
Caldari
CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2006.12.08 19:40:00 -
[47]
I'd not take this to serious. I know Beckstein quite well, he tries to be some kind of "hardliner" in german political scene. Currently we have a debate going on on this issue as some things happend (assault mentioned in report, another incident in south germany), so he thinks such proposal might make him bit more popular and establish his hardliner-image or something. After 2-3 weeks the whole issue will be more or less forgotten (if nothing else happens again) and his "proposal" will not be existant, so nothing to worry here, worst thing can happen is that counterstrike (along with few other ego-shooters) will not be sold in stores for few months - thats all.
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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John Grimm
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.12.08 19:44:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ione Hunt
They're nuts! The fact that I walk around London with 5 midgets dressed up as drones and armed with Uzzis has NOTHING (!!!) to do with my love for a computer game. And if they kill some random noob on Oxford Circus, so what? He'll come back once he woke up at the cloning station.
He might not have his clone updated, but that's not my problem. It's RL, ppl HAVE to pay attention to drone midgets
This made my day.
"I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" |
Professional Troll
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:05:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Elliot Reid
I've not raped, pillaged, murdered, robbed, stabbed or even had a fight since I've left school.
Man, you must have gone to a rough school.
Your toys suck!
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:14:00 -
[50]
Im allowed to say opinion I want publically.
I can dress anyway I want.
I can read what ever I want.
I guess thats what makes me think I have freedom. There are rules everywhere, but freedom of speach is a good starting point when you decide if you have freedom.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:39:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Inspiration on 08/12/2006 20:40:00
Originally by: Ghoest
It looks like your review of my annecdotes actually validates them. The fact that you dont realize this seems to validate my view on Europe. Particularly the comment on Britain. Also there is another country I read about last month making a law againt Muslim women wearing certain head wear in public.
Im not saying that law will happen, but I can easily imagine anything like that happening in the EU.
Careful Ghoest, if any western country has ill informed, biased and sensatinal unballanced press, its the USA. In fact, its one big ego trip from where some europeans stand! And many of us look to the US these day as it being a bannana republic with to much power and influence (an danger to peace in itself)! A society spinned totaly out of control, but with the people there being mostly oblivious to it.
Either way the law you are refering to deserves more details before passing judgement. From what i gather it applies only to total coverage of the body (except the eyes). Some people say they wear it out of "religious" (read political) motives. In the countries where this is usuage is supposed to come from it is not accepted in public at all and only in very retarded small backwater communities its in use!
The reason such a law is even being considered? It prevents any form of normal social contact, and can only spiral into suspicion and mistrust and possibly violence. If you see some people making themselfs totaly unidentifyable on purpose, would you trust them? For all you know, they are gona steal something or do a violent crime and get away with it. And yes, we had a political (pretending to be religious) murder not to long ago, so the concern is real. Besides it is in modern western societies totaly unacceptable to be unidentifyable. If they live here, they have to adapt and live by those rules!
Besides this, there are other more practical reasons for such a law to be implemented. Please don't forget, europe contains a large portion of immigrans that have not adapted yet (so do not fit in nicely) into our culture. There are social stresses that some political forces (pretenting to be religous) try to exploit to gain influence.
So far nothing new. Neither is killing at schools, out of europe this has been happening for over 20 years now. Its as shocking every time as the first time. But no logic can make a match between violent games and violent behavour to the extend of murder.
There is always something wrong with these kids and society often is to blame itself for not having a proper social framwork in place that these kids can function normaly in. Seesm like these days we all are to bussy with out own wallet and petty problems.
In a way globalisation and extreme capitalism can be blamed for nearly any problem on this globe realy! I wonder which country was the driving force behind that......right....the USA!
Some modesty of judgement seems in place here!
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biankaa
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:58:00 -
[52]
The only reason for this bann thread is that computer games industry is not big enough yet to become as influencing as tobacco or pharma industry. Once they become a more important part of the economic they have nothing to worry about whether they do harm/influence people or not.
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Griffith Stormcrow
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:14:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Griffith Stormcrow on 08/12/2006 21:17:43
Quote:
As reported by GamePolitics, an 18-year-old Counter-strike player assaulted his former middle school in November, wounding a reported 37 people before taking his own life.
This was in the second paragraph of the article linked in the OP of this thread (note the number of people wounded).
In an article on cnn.com (link) it says 6 people were wounded (none were life threatening, the only fatality was the gunman killing himself).
Gotta love sloppy reporting and fact-checking (EDIT - then again it could just be a sloppy translation of the original article, just thought of that).
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Detavi Kade
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:21:00 -
[54]
Ban 18yr olds, thanks!
Originally by: oveur
EVE is primarily a PVP game
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:21:00 -
[55]
Video Games are the current Heavy Metal, back in the 80s people blamed heavy metal music, in the 90s it was Violent movies and in the 2000s its violent video games. whats next wanting to ban violent books....
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:24:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Merchantigus on 08/12/2006 21:28:19
They tried the same thing here when columbine happend.
"it was dooms fault not the lack of/poor prarenting and hostile school environment."
They tried the same thing here when that dude shot those cops
"It's gtas fault not the lack of/poor prarenting"
Before this it was tv
Before that it was rock music
Maybe something new will come along eventually and become the new scape goat. i fear people are so dumb these days eventually someone just might buy it.
i'm suprised they didnt' try to pin that lunatic milk man amish thing on games somehow :/
"he played amish rampage 4!1 games are teh devil!"
(btw that was the most random act i have ever heard of in my entire life)
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Sumeahs
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:24:00 -
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quite funny really. reminds me of hillary on steroids.
and ah, yeah, don't go touting that freedom of speech thing. if your words are found to incite a riot you will be arrested, you will be prosecuted, and you will go to jail. Same thing here and it can be categorized as a hate crime which is a federal offense. freedom of speech does not mean you don't or can't take responsiblity for your words. too bad most people don't do that.
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BenYGW
Caldari
Syncore
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:05:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Andrea Tesla
You need to see Becksteins approach in context.
Politically he comes from the most conservative party in germany. However, he never made it out of state politics, while having big ambitions during the last elections for the german Bundestag.
says it all realy
every country has its crazies, BNP in England, Republican party in America ;)
Ghoest, i have to thank you for bringing your endless ignorance to this thread. Irony ftw
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:32:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Sumeahs
quite funny really. reminds me of hillary on steroids.
and ah, yeah, don't go touting that freedom of speech thing. if your words are found to incite a riot you will be arrested, you will be prosecuted, and you will go to jail. Same thing here and it can be categorized as a hate crime which is a federal offense. freedom of speech does not mean you don't or can't take responsiblity for your words. too bad most people don't do that.
but back on topic, this is extremely funny.
You dont know the law.
I said your free to speak your opinions.
If I said "Pizza sucks" and everyone around went and burned down a Pizzaria I wouldbe fine.
If I said "I want everyone to burn down Pizzarias" and they did it then I would be in trouble for inciting a riot.
Similarly you arent free knowingly lie about people in public.
You arent free to threaten to do something illegal to people either.
But you are free to say your opinion about anything, even ugly racial opinions.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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BenYGW
Caldari
Syncore
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.08 23:01:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Sumeahs
quite funny really. reminds me of hillary on steroids.
and ah, yeah, don't go touting that freedom of speech thing. if your words are found to incite a riot you will be arrested, you will be prosecuted, and you will go to jail. Same thing here and it can be categorized as a hate crime which is a federal offense. freedom of speech does not mean you don't or can't take responsiblity for your words. too bad most people don't do that.
but back on topic, this is extremely funny.
You dont know the law.
I said your free to speak your opinions.
If I said "Pizza sucks" and everyone around went and burned down a Pizzaria I wouldbe fine.
If I said "I want everyone to burn down Pizzarias" and they did it then I would be in trouble for inciting a riot.
Similarly you arent free knowingly lie about people in public.
You arent free to threaten to do something illegal to people either.
But you are free to say your opinion about anything, even ugly racial opinions.
You are talking about America there?
That sounds strangely familiar.... oh yes, because its the same in England.
you tell Sumeahs that he doesnt know the law? and yet go on to agree with what he says?
Infact, your whole post seems to contradict itself. Perhaps I'm just stupid, probably due to people getting arrested when they try to tell me about freedom of speech
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