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Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:26:00 - [1] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 08/12/2006 19:27:36 Well, I guess there's one way to make sure you win - be unsportsmanlike and don't give your opponents 5 more minutes to log their most important ship in. Such a shame - the best group in the tourney marred by something like that. Poor show, Red Skull. And why bother with having reserve pilots if you cant use them? GG, GREAT tourney rules guys. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:27:00 - [2] lol
Kun6 Fu Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:28:00 - [3] Agreed. I don't think you can blame RS though, it was Lemondes call.
Shionoya Risa Caldari Xenodus Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:28:00 - [4] Was waiting on a topic on this... They're not 250 II's, they 200 II's, n00b experts. I also second what you said.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Helganstandt on 08/12/2006 19:30:32 Sucks for BE to be honest. This was the match I was looking forward to today. I do wish Red Skull would have let them get their guy to log in, but I guess it's their right not to. It's not CCP's fault, nor BE's fault that their apoc pilot couldn't log in. I think they're blaming iceland though.
The Alien Primary Targets	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:28:00 - [6] Perhaps they should have waited, but it seems like anyone who can get a leg up these days will use it no matter the moral cost.
Moph Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:28:00 - [7] yep i agree as a competition i think it was bull to say u had to perform an operation in 45 mins.... tbh i think it was pretty lame also to kill the bs at the end. Any posts that i make do not represent the thoughts of my corp and therefore dont take too much notice :P
Quari Nimbles Nimbles Covenant	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:28:00 - [8] Maybe they should have dropped a can instead?
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Shionoya Risa Was waiting on a topic on this... They're not 250 II's, they 200 II's, n00b experts. I also second what you said. Yeah!! Farjung is a n00b LOL LOL!!
Roule The Kennels	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Roule on 08/12/2006 19:29:36 Burn Edan Using log off Tactics now? ....Anyhow what a shame i was looking forward to this fight when i saw the groups My Videos
Mud Pandemonium	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:29:00 - [11] Lemonde started the match, fire your flames at him not RS/TC
Jebidus Skari Amarr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:29:00 - [12] Originally by: The Alien Perhaps they should have waited, but it seems like anyone who can get a leg up these days will use it no matter the moral cost. Oh the moral outrage, Jesus would not approve
Altai Saker Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:30:00 - [13] You obviously shouldn't be able to substitute someone in.... if you could you would see a lot more crashing and having people coming in with different setups... Anyway it sucks for BE, but it could happen to anyone. http://www.omniscient-order.com/
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:31:00 - [14] It wasnt LeMondes fault. If Red Skull has protested that for fairness the match should be rescheduled, I very much doubt that there'd be objections from the GMs. Mind you, Ive never entered a tournament where unsportsmanlike people dont get a leg up - cheating is ftw, especially when you do it in a way that makes you look like it was just something that happened. Yes, I class unsportsmanlike conduct as cheating. Such a shame. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:32:00 - [15] BE's fault.. the pilots should have had someone standing by to login in case one of them had ISP problems, power outage or wahtever. Their problem they didnt trust any friends. Thats said, would have been nice to see it on equal footing, shame on Red Skull :( Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:32:00 - [16] Curse of the Medium Container. Quote: Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:32:00 - [17] Congratulations red skulls. As you see farjunk we don't have a forum squad like yours. Regarding rules, we red them and accepted them before we signed up. ARENA
Levin Cavil Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:33:00 - [18] Red Skull were about as sportsmanlike as you can expect really, they saved the Apoc for last and it's not really their fault Heinky dropped. And I would call BS on any team that had someone "disconnect" after seeing my team on grid and then bring in another ship. Not saying BE were trying this, because I don't think they were but you can't use replacement pilots after youve been moved. Lemonde made a rules call and its really the only call to be made, you can't delay fights more. In fact, Lemonde was even warpscrambling the Apoc to give them a chance to log back in. BE just had a rough break and its too bad they didnt get a chance to fight with a full team but there is no way for that to have happened with a disconnnect. ---------- Eve is balanced: Caldari have to train Rails Minmatar have to train Missiles Gallente have to train Drones Amarr have to train Caldari
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Testy Mctest It wasnt LeMondes fault. If Red Skull has protested that for fairness the match should be rescheduled, I very much doubt that there'd be objections from the GMs. Mind you, Ive never entered a tournament where unsportsmanlike people dont get a leg up - cheating is ftw, especially when you do it in a way that makes you look like it was just something that happened. Yes, I class unsportsmanlike conduct as cheating. Such a shame. How can you blame RS when its 100% BE's fault. It may have been out of BE's hand, but its not RS's fault the apoc CTD. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Levin Cavil Red Skull were about as sportsmanlike as you can expect really, they saved the Apoc for last and it's not really their fault Heinky dropped. Actually they did not left him for last to giev him a chance, but simply because he wasnt a threat to their team :P Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:36:00 - [21] Thanx for depraving us of one of the top matches. On the other hand, why couldnt another UDIE member log in with Heinky? Anyways, UDIE would only have won if that apoc was a combined nosboat/logistic boat. If it was, I'm sure UDIE would've won.
Arshes Nei Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:37:00 - [22] Edited by: Arshes Nei on 08/12/2006 19:38:55 While i think exchanging ships shouldnt be an option, exchanging pilots should be possible in cases like this. GMs even easily could make sure there are no gains throught differences in implants. Edit: Server issues just make for bad fights and should be reduced in effect on combatants as much as possible, thats what replacement pilots are for imho. Dark-Rising
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:38:00 - [23] LeMondes call, tough **** to BE Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 08/12/2006 19:39:30 Yeah you noobs, stop blaming it on red skulls, sportsman ship my A. who cares? its a tournament, we will all play to win it, cause if the situation was reversed, we would have done the same thing. There is a lack of trust from heinky, and that cost us. oh well, st happens. We still have a game to play, we can get thru. Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Thanx for depraving us of one of the top matches. On the other hand, why couldnt another UDIE member log in with Heinky? Anyways, UDIE would only have won if that apoc was a combined nosboat/logistic boat. If it was, I'm sure UDIE would've won. it was ARENA
Levin Cavil Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Levin Cavil Red Skull were about as sportsmanlike as you can expect really, they saved the Apoc for last and it's not really their fault Heinky dropped. Actually they did not left him for last to giev him a chance, but simply because he wasnt a threat to their team :P Regardless of their motives the apoc had every chance to get back ingame. ---------- Eve is balanced: Caldari have to train Rails Minmatar have to train Missiles Gallente have to train Drones Amarr have to train Caldari
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:44:00 - [26] Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/12/2006 19:44:21 Well that was interesting. 1) Heinky crashed from teamspeak as we were sorting targets etc. 2) We tell them to wait and they do. 3) Heinky comes back on TS. 4) Countdown starts 5,4,3. 5) Heinky crashed from TS + EVE client, countdown paused. 6) We tried to delay as long as possible 7) We tried to phone him, but could not get through. 8) The match was started. 9) We got pwned 10) Heinky logged back in after we were all dead (We don't account share btw Loxy) 11) Much shouting and abuse was directed towards him on ts 12) Everyone quit ts in a fit of rage after cussing eachother out and calling eachother spies 13) I being to formulate a plan for retribution.....
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:51:00 - [27] We asked to delay our match till after the next one, but it wasn't to be. We weren't allowed to bring in another pilot. They waited 4 or 5 minutes but it wasn't long enough :( Not much else we can do or say really.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:57:00 - [28] Its simple really. Our pilot had ISP problems, the rules stated that the match must start at that time. We all read and agreed to the rules before joining this tourny. So we dont have any hard feelings towards anyone except Heinky's ISP! Just a shame, but as the old saying goes sh*t happens!
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:58:00 - [29] Well, we all know about the BOB spies..forum espionage, ts/vent espionage, corp infiltration, bob spies taking command over enemy fleets and warping them to certain death and so on and so on. Why not infiltrate teams they view as a rival for first price? I mean...the prices for the number one position is downright priceless, afterall
FooB2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.08 20:18:00 - [30] personally, red skull wouldve won anyway given the setups. it wouldve just lasted a little longer is all. is it thier fault an aopponent couldnt be there? is it thier fault it was a dev call and not thiers? no. its a shame the match went the way it did, but i know for a FACT that if ANY of you were fighting in that tournament, fielding the kind of isk you have to to even stand a chance of winning, then you would choose to have the fight right there and then at the advantage. i recall tyrrax having the same call last tournament when a bob scimitar crashed mid fight? and he still managed to lose, for that matter. sportsmanship is not an issue.
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.08 20:28:00 - [31] Well, it just so heppened that vodafone in iceland crashed as the match was starting,im at a net cafe right now and can bearly use forums coz it still kinda down, too bad.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 20:31:00 - [32] Originally by: FooB2 personally, red skull wouldve won anyway given the setups. it wouldve just lasted a little longer is all. is it thier fault an aopponent couldnt be there? is it thier fault it was a dev call and not thiers? no. its a shame the match went the way it did, but i know for a FACT that if ANY of you were fighting in that tournament, fielding the kind of isk you have to to even stand a chance of winning, then you would choose to have the fight right there and then at the advantage. i recall tyrrax having the same call last tournament when a bob scimitar crashed mid fight? and he still managed to lose, for that matter. sportsmanship is not an issue. To IAC's defence, they had pretty much already lost by the time BOB's eagle crashed. But this also kind of messes up your argument...
FooB2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.08 20:47:00 - [33] well not really, because the basic point is that anybody will take any advantage they can get in this tournament. and rightly so. all you can do about it is take it on the chin. as you have. **** happens and will always happen. thats pretty much it.
Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:03:00 - [34] I would hate to be Heinky at that point... I know that situation, and I absolutely dispice it. Not much you could do, since that ship was the heart of the setup. I had looked forward to this, as i do with all matches in Group of Death and Group of Death 2. Too bad they all ended in the same group, its the knit-picks that decide them.
Magorath KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:14:00 - [35] Edited by: Magorath on 08/12/2006 21:15:21 Red Skull lost their 1st match to IAC because we didn't have a full team... Did we start a whine thread with our alts? NO! There is a schedule that must be followed and if one team needs another 30 mins to sort things it throws off all the other matches start times for the rest of the day... Terra Incognito may have lost but can't they at least make an effort to keep their self respect? I guess not... Take some responsibility Shin Ra, rather than making a list of your top 10 excuses...
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:18:00 - [36] Was a shame to see this match turn out like this would have been a good fight. Delaying would have been a good option but The Red Skull team maybe then wouldn't have been able to make it. Feel sorry for Heinky as it was clearly something completely out of his control PS: Calmdown how come you post with your alt?
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Was a shame to see this match turn out like this would have been a good fight. Delaying would have been a good option but The Red Skull team maybe then wouldn't have been able to make it. Feel sorry for Heinky as it was clearly something completely out of his control PS: Calmdown how come you post with your alt? Thanks, but there was nothing i could have done so tuff luck, i cant peform magic. Some people might blame me in some weird way like a corp member has already in this thread kinda and all i can say to him is **** off.
Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Magorath Terra Incognito may have lost but can't they at least make an effort to keep their self respect? I guess not... Take some responsibility Shin Ra, rather than making a list of your top 10 excuses... I sincerely don't hope you are the voice of your alliance. I see no excuses only a report of what happened. No one says that if Heinky hadnt had any problems the fight would have had a different winner, but surely it would have been more nailbiting. We will never know unless Red Skull and BE meet again later on. Nonetheless I root for MC... and TC, Celes, and Sani Sabik(now that Otherworldly are gone)...
Odet Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:27:00 - [39] whiners.. blame who ever you want, say what you like. Not exactly our problem they had problems with their pilot. We lsot our first maych, because I had no power, we were missing another 2 pilots, our team captain go kidnapped by CCP. So we had 1 guy, the others were last minute replacments.... who were still drunk from the night before... Did we ***** and moan? no. Are BE whinning now? no. so S T F U? _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Odet Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Was a shame to see this match turn out like this would have been a good fight. Delaying would have been a good option but The Red Skull team maybe then wouldn't have been able to make it. we were pretty set even if the apoc had been in the fight, but thnx anyway. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:30:00 - [41] Originally by: Odet whiners.. blame who ever you want, say what you like. Not exactly our problem they had problems with their pilot. We lsot our first maych, because I had no power, we were missing another 2 pilots, our team captain go kidnapped by CCP. So we had 1 guy, the others were last minute replacments.... who were still drunk from the night before... Did we ***** and moan? no. Are BE whinning now? no. so S T F U? If any team got gutted in this tourney due to situations out of their control, it's TRS ---- Where's my soup?
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Magorath Edited by: Magorath on 08/12/2006 21:15:21 Red Skull lost their 1st match to IAC because we didn't have a full team... Did we start a whine thread with our alts? NO! There is a schedule that must be followed and if one team needs another 30 mins to sort things it throws off all the other matches start times for the rest of the day... Terra Incognito may have lost but can't they at least make an effort to keep their self respect? I guess not... Take some responsibility Shin Ra, rather than making a list of your top 10 excuses... we re not whining, if anything, i was defensive against people moaning about your lack of sportsman ship. we said we blame our selfs, you haven't even read the first page. You are prolly a stupid midget ugly frog like john mccreedy who play eve to compensate for RL, go hurry up and die. ARENA
spiralJunkie Minmatar EveTV	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are prolly a stupid midget ugly frog like john mccreedy who play eve to compensate for RL, go hurry up and die. This is why people love you guys. _ Eeeeeeeeeeh, I don't think Titans are particularly Cost Effective - Goonswarm
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Magorath Edited by: Magorath on 08/12/2006 21:15:21 Red Skull lost their 1st match to IAC because we didn't have a full team... Did we start a whine thread with our alts? NO! There is a schedule that must be followed and if one team needs another 30 mins to sort things it throws off all the other matches start times for the rest of the day... Terra Incognito may have lost but can't they at least make an effort to keep their self respect? I guess not... Take some responsibility Shin Ra, rather than making a list of your top 10 excuses... First, if you notice, the original poster and many other flamed you. We actually stuck up for you. Everyone knows who Testy's main is so I would ask you to do some more research before letting your anger talk for you. I listed the series of events which happened. I fail to see how this quantifies an excuse? However, should you actually turn out to be someone who doesn't need to hide behind his keyboard when making wreckless comments, we can discuss this issue tomorrow live on SIRadio. If you join the #evetv channel on coldfront after downtime I'll give u the vent ip for the show.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:49:00 - [45] Originally by: spiralJunkie Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are prolly a stupid midget ugly frog like john mccreedy who play eve to compensate for RL, go hurry up and die. This is why people love you guys. /me sets destination EC-P8R
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:56:00 - [46] Originally by: Audrea BE's fault.. the pilots should have had someone standing by to login in case one of them had ISP problems, power outage or wahtever. Their problem they didnt trust any friends. Account sharing isn't against the tournament rules, it's technically against the game's rules. Now, a lot of people does it, and CCP turns a blind eye on it until someone gets hurt, but still... - EVE is sick.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.08 21:59:00 - [47] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 08/12/2006 22:01:54 Originally by: spiralJunkie Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are prolly a stupid midget ugly frog like john mccreedy who play eve to compensate for RL, go hurry up and die. This is why people love you guys. hell0 MR There is all ready a thread gone to 17 pages ; p. we re still struggling on Page 2 dude. but you can see the silly comment he makes after congratulating them, and saying that its our fault. Maybe its best if i get my self banned off forum for another week, its not being nice anymore. oh and what was it u said about me on eve tv? my volume was too low, couldn't read ur lips either. ARENA
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.08 22:01:00 - [48] Also, incase anyone hasn't calculated it: Name Kill Loss Points IAC 84 38 46 Terra 56 45 11 TRS 38 28 10 MC(3) 49 56 -7 This means it is absolutely all to play for tomorrow. If Terra Incognita win 28-0 then they will advance. If they don't win 28-0 then it is entirely possible that TRS can go through. Baisically, all that seperates Terra from TRS is 1 point in the kill/death ratio. This could be crucial, but it means that both teams must concentrate on winning without loosing any ships.
Alex Under Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.08 22:25:00 - [49] Well I'll be rooting for you in your next match Shin Ra and the rest of the Terra Incognita gang... Hopefully (fingers crossed) there won't be another ISP issue. Good Luck in your next Match! "...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..."
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.08 22:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Audrea BE's fault.. the pilots should have had someone standing by to login in case one of them had ISP problems, power outage or wahtever. Their problem they didnt trust any friends. Account sharing isn't against the tournament rules, it's technically against the game's rules. Now, a lot of people does it, and CCP turns a blind eye on it until someone gets hurt, but still... We now go a bit off topic, as the topic is pretty much done for. I am not expert with the rules, and I am one of those who scroll down to the 'I agree' button :P BUT, I believe if they were to excersice this 'right', and ban someone for allowing someone else to login, its possible to win in a court, because when I pay for something (in this case, gaming account), it is my right to decide who can use it. Just like Microsoft and any other company has no right telling me that the license I bought for Office cant be sold off to someone, and even if they try to add something like that to EULA, the court would null it (I believe it happend in the past, but as I am not expert to laws etc, I dont know how to find the precedences). Such analogy is correct, because CCP already limited the number of simultanous logged in users, hence its not 'copying' of product illegaly, but it is a 'fair use'. This sounds logical I believe. Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Scythus Aratan Bad Karma.	Posted - 2006.12.08 22:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Shin Ra Also, incase anyone hasn't calculated it: Name Kill Loss Points IAC 84 38 46 Terra 56 45 11 TRS 38 28 10 MC(3) 49 56 -7 This means it is absolutely all to play for tomorrow. If Terra Incognita win 28-0 then they will advance. If they don't win 28-0 then it is entirely possible that TRS can go through. Baisically, all that seperates Terra from TRS is 1 point in the kill/death ratio. This could be crucial, but it means that both teams must concentrate on winning without loosing any ships. BE certainly have the easier match, while the Red Skull have MC, who depending on whether the MC try or not, could be either very tough or easy. Knowing Seleene though I don't think the MC will just turn up in junk to get their bil back.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.09 00:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Audrea BE's fault.. the pilots should have had someone standing by to login in case one of them had ISP problems, power outage or wahtever. Their problem they didnt trust any friends. Account sharing isn't against the tournament rules, it's technically against the game's rules. Now, a lot of people does it, and CCP turns a blind eye on it until someone gets hurt, but still... We now go a bit off topic, as the topic is pretty much done for. I am not expert with the rules, and I am one of those who scroll down to the 'I agree' button :P BUT, I believe if they were to excersice this 'right', and ban someone for allowing someone else to login, its possible to win in a court, because when I pay for something (in this case, gaming account), it is my right to decide who can use it. Just like Microsoft and any other company has no right telling me that the license I bought for Office cant be sold off to someone, and even if they try to add something like that to EULA, the court would null it (I believe it happend in the past, but as I am not expert to laws etc, I dont know how to find the precedences). Such analogy is correct, because CCP already limited the number of simultanous logged in users, hence its not 'copying' of product illegaly, but it is a 'fair use'. This sounds logical I believe. I believe CCP add that bit in the EULA so if someone gives their login details to a friend and then that friends steals all his isk and sells off all his stuff, he then can't come and moan at CCP and ask for something to be done about it. CCP can then say well its your own fault we did tell you its against the EULA. But normally unless someone complains they turn a blind eye.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.09 02:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Scythus Aratan BE certainly have the easier match, while the Red Skull have MC, who depending on whether the MC try or not, could be either very tough or easy. Knowing Seleene though I don't think the MC will just turn up in junk to get their bil back. Confirmed. Expect more of the unexpected from us. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.09 02:05:00 - [54] I hope we get through ofc but yeh the UDIE guys appear to have done their best so no hard feelings here anyways, this ****ty luck
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.12.09 02:07:00 - [55] Edited by: dalman on 09/12/2006 02:19:40 I certainly care about my reputation and always try to act with honour. In more 'normal' circumstances, I'd prolly had said yes to wait longer for Burn Eden's pilot. This however, was not normal. Let's take a look at our situation: We're drawn into what's clearly the hardest group in the tournament. 3-4 days before the tournament is to start, our captain (trev) is called in to EVE-TV, and I'm drifted into the team as replacement. Trev was the one who had done all the preparations. I hadn't thought about the tourney 1 second before. One member of our team also pulled out, which we were not allowed to replace. So we're one member short. Time for first match, vs IAC. A match that's gonna be very deciding. Parts of our team is US (quite naturally as Trev is US as well). One of them couldn't possibly make it to this match. Down to 5 members. We have our tactics lined up. Then one of our euros get a bit of a mess at work. He can't make it, and we didn't have phone numbers. So, 15 minutes before transport to the match we realize that we'll be one man short. That was our battleship pilot, supposed to fly a faction BS. So, we have to buy a BS + fitting of the market and put one pilot who was gonna fly a smaller ship into that, change some some more around, and create some kind of lineup that possibly could have any chance. It didn't go too well, and we lost badly. Not saying we would have won vs IAC with a full team. But it would have been a real fight and could have gone any way. And for 100% sure we would have killed at least their 3 smaller ships if we had lost. Right, we've lost to IAC. Time to support IAC and hope they beat Burn Eden. And they did \o/. Or, wait, they did not. They got disqualified. Now we're in big big trouble. We've lost badly vs IAC, who then lost 28-0 vs burn eden. Time to hope MC beat IAC then. Then we'd have a fair chance of progress. But nope. MC get their tactics spot on, but fail on execution. At this point, we need a big win vs burn eden. We got it. IAC smashed us cause RL prevented us. BE smashed IAC cause of the can dropping. We smashed BE cause RL prevented them. I seriously don't see how that's unfair, at all. All I see is 3 possibly kick-ass matches that all got turned into ****. Now it's all down to how these 3 teams do in the matches vs MC and Xelas to decide which 2 go through (though technicly, if MC kick our asses and Xelas beat burn eden badly, MC can still go through). IAC has done well and are already through. We brought a very defensive setup vs Xelas, because we felt we needed a 28-0 win considering how the group was. Unfortunately they did the same, and we didn't manage to kill all their ships. And therefor we're the ones in the worst situation (as explained by Shin Ra). Had our match vs IAC been a 'real match', and IAC vs Burn Eden been a 'real match' - then I'd said yes to wait for Burn Eden's pilot. Cause I'm confident we would have won anyway. But in this situation... IAC had gotten their (almost)flawless win on a silver plate. Burn Eden had gotten their flawless win on a silver plate. Now we got our flawless win presented on a silver plate. We're not here for your entertainment. We're here to win. Are you seriously suggesting that this wasn't more than fair considering the situation? Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.09 02:18:00 - [56] Dalman, I think it's fair to say that every one of us in this group has had our fair share of bad luck and strangeness. Thanks for detailing yours though. I knew about Trev, but the rest... wow. Good luck tommorow. We'd resigned ourselves to simply going out with a bang and giving you a good scrap. Now it seems we have all the more reason to give it a go. See you there. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 08:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Seleene Dalman, I think it's fair to say that every one of us in this group has had our fair share of bad luck and strangeness. Thanks for detailing yours though. I knew about Trev, but the rest... wow. Good luck tommorow. We'd resigned ourselves to simply going out with a bang and giving you a good scrap. Now it seems we have all the more reason to give it a go. See you there. Group of Death = Group of Jinx Long and short of it. The hardest bracket of the tournament ended up being the weirdest, with all four "leading" teams claiming at least one controversy, if not more. ---- Where's my soup?
Dray Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Seleene Dalman, I think it's fair to say that every one of us in this group has had our fair share of bad luck and strangeness. Thanks for detailing yours though. I knew about Trev, but the rest... wow. Good luck tommorow. We'd resigned ourselves to simply going out with a bang and giving you a good scrap. Now it seems we have all the more reason to give it a go. See you there. I was the faction bs pilot and dont believe a word of what Dalman says, I missed the match because his personal hygiene sux Joking aside it has been a hard group for none of the expected reasons.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.09 13:40:00 - [59] ye the first fight was pretty chaotic... like 20 mins before the IAC-Red skull fight...Chode can you play in the turnement on a frig char? ye sure.. and the team was running all over getting fittings + ships and stuff ... chaos

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