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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:05:00 -
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what is more effective on a cruiser with MWD?
Or is it a mix that makes it spicy?
Do nanos have stacking penalties?
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:28:00 -
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it depends on your skills and the speed of the cruiser.
Both make you accelerate faster, but stabs do it better.
Stabs will give you a bonus to speed when using your MWD because you will have less mass[important in the MWD speed boost calculation], how much i dont really know.
The nano's give a fixed boost, so the faster your cruisers base speed, the worse the nano's become.
The easiest way is to just get a cruiser and test different combinations and decide what you like.
And no, no stacking penalties on any of them
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Drowner
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:40:00 -
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ATM i think stabs are better for example a fitting I tested on my crow. First with a nano max. speed with Tech II mwd 4447 m/s than i switched over to a stab max. speed 4891 m/s ....
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Goumindong
And no, no stacking penalties on any of them
Wrong, inertia stabs are stacking penalized 
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.09 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
Originally by: Goumindong
And no, no stacking penalties on any of them
Wrong, inertia stabs are stacking penalized
Mass is stacking penalized? Since when was there a mod that changed mass that was penalized?
Now, you can hit your "max % boost" from your AB/MWD if you get your mass low enough, but they arent actualy stacking penalized.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.09 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Toaster Oven
Originally by: Goumindong
And no, no stacking penalties on any of them
Wrong, inertia stabs are stacking penalized
Mass is stacking penalized? Since when was there a mod that changed mass that was penalized?
Now, you can hit your "max % boost" from your AB/MWD if you get your mass low enough, but they arent actualy stacking penalized.
I have not actually tested it, but the stacking penalty mentioned may be the intuitive logic penalty inherent in any diminishing principle:
1,000,000 * 0.90 = 900,000
900,000 * 0.90 = 810,000
The percentage of the bonus didn't change, only the principle vs result.
~Thor Xian, Chief Administrator
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Stephar
The High Priest
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Posted - 2006.12.09 10:44:00 -
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Nanos are better for battleships, stabs for the little stuff. I'm using a geddon as my salvager, and got better speeds with nanos than stabs. Think its because nanos add a flat amount of speed, which amounts to ~15-20% on battleships and ~5% on inties.
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:26:00 -
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Mass is stacking penalized (that's what the devs have said and all the tests have shown at least).
For max speed in a straight line 2x inertial + rest nanofibers.
For max orbiting speed, 3x inertial + rest nanofibers.
Never use more than 3 inertial stabilizers.
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MOCC3
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Mass is stacking penalized (that's what the devs have said and all the tests have shown at least).
For max speed in a straight line 2x inertial + rest nanofibers.
For max orbiting speed, 3x inertial + rest nanofibers.
Never use more than 3 inertial stabilizers.
Im iv tested this. i get much better top speed with Stabs than nano's
mY nanophoon goes like 3200m/s with 5 nano's and T2 MWD
With 5 stabs it tops out at 3752.... After i post this ill try her with 7 stabs
and see what top speed i get wit a simple T2 mwd.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Mass is stacking penalized (that's what the devs have said and all the tests have shown at least).
For max speed in a straight line 2x inertial + rest nanofibers.
For max orbiting speed, 3x inertial + rest nanofibers.
Never use more than 3 inertial stabilizers.
Where have they said it?
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Hoshi
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.09 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: MOCC3
Originally by: Hoshi
Mass is stacking penalized (that's what the devs have said and all the tests have shown at least).
For max speed in a straight line 2x inertial + rest nanofibers.
For max orbiting speed, 3x inertial + rest nanofibers.
Never use more than 3 inertial stabilizers.
Im iv tested this. i get much better top speed with Stabs than nano's
mY nanophoon goes like 3200m/s with 5 nano's and T2 MWD
With 5 stabs it tops out at 3752.... After i post this ill try her with 7 stabs
and see what top speed i get wit a simple T2 mwd.
Could you at least test what I said instead of testing something completely else before you say my numbers are wrong?
Try 2 inertial stabs and 5 nanofibers, and 3 inertial stabs and 4 nanofibers and I'll bet you 100m that it will go faster with an mwd than the 7 inertial stabilizer setup.
(or for your original setup 2 inertial stabs and 3 nanos).
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 10/12/2006 11:57:46
i like stabs :D
made my megathron orbit at 4km range at 1km/s + while MWDing :)
cant hit enything tho whit big guns :P
edit: you will get more speed out of the nanos but more agil out of stabs
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MOCC3
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Posted - 2006.12.10 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: MOCC3
Originally by: Hoshi
Mass is stacking penalized (that's what the devs have said and all the tests have shown at least).
For max speed in a straight line 2x inertial + rest nanofibers.
For max orbiting speed, 3x inertial + rest nanofibers.
Never use more than 3 inertial stabilizers.
Im iv tested this. i get much better top speed with Stabs than nano's
mY nanophoon goes like 3200m/s with 5 nano's and T2 MWD
With 5 stabs it tops out at 3752.... After i post this ill try her with 7 stabs
and see what top speed i get wit a simple T2 mwd.
Could you at least test what I said instead of testing something completely else before you say my numbers are wrong?
Try 2 inertial stabs and 5 nanofibers, and 3 inertial stabs and 4 nanofibers and I'll bet you 100m that it will go faster with an mwd than the 7 inertial stabilizer setup.
(or for your original setup 2 inertial stabs and 3 nanos).
I tired your set up. its Nice but i got a higher top speed with 3 stabs and 2 nano's.
So you were right. i hit 3812m/s yes u can say pretty ubber
Originally by: Riho
Edited by: Riho on 10/12/2006 11:57:46
i like stabs :D
made my megathron orbit at 4km range at 1km/s + while MWDing :)
cant hit enything tho whit big guns :P
edit: you will get more speed out of the nanos but more agil out of stabs
Bull it u mixx 3 stab and 2 nano u get less mass = more push out of MWD.
Nano give a base speed boost. stabs reduce mass....so....
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.12.10 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Toaster Oven
Originally by: Goumindong
And no, no stacking penalties on any of them
Wrong, inertia stabs are stacking penalized
Mass is stacking penalized? Since when was there a mod that changed mass that was penalized?
Now, you can hit your "max % boost" from your AB/MWD if you get your mass low enough, but they arent actualy stacking penalized.
Are you so lazy you can't take 10 seconds to test this for yourself? Fit 3 inertia stabs. Take a look at your sig radius and mass. Fit 8 inertia stabs and repeat. It's blindingly obvious they're stacking penalized. 
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.12.10 18:11:00 -
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What about this weird shield boost penalty on inertial stabilizers? It doesn't seem to work ...
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Taerenius
Caldari
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.12.10 19:23:00 -
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I have an ares that I fly with a Gistii A-Type 1mn MWD and 4 local hull conversion inertia stabs, it tops out at 7435m/s (need to train accel control 5 here soon).
For every inertia stab that I swap with a local hull nanofiber I drop speed by a LOT (like 400m/s). So even with 4 inertia stabs you'll still go WAY faster with an MWD on than you will with 3 inertia stabs and a nano (at least on an ares). Also with 4 inertia stabs I can maintain about 60% speed while making a 120degree turn or so (ie: make a 120 degree turn and only drop to 4km/s).
Anyway, bottom line is with an mwd or AB, Inertias RULE!
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar
Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.12.10 20:15:00 -
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A balance of both is almost always better. Depends on the base speed though. I did alot of testing on stab combos on SiSi.
Vigil runs best at 2 stabs 1 overdrive (2 stabs and 1 nano is slower than 3 stabs). I hit around 10km/sec with drugs.
Typhoon runs best at 3 stabs 4 nanos. Hit around 5500m/sec with drugs.
Hurricane runs best with 3 stabs 3 nanos. Hit around 12km/sec with drugs and a 100mn MWD II.
Fit stabs first if you want speed from a boost (AB/MWD), then play with nanos or overdrives. They are stacking nerfed though so going past 3 or 4 won't help much. Nanos and overdrives are not stacking nerfed but they add a straight bonus, which in the case of fast ships is bad, slow ships is good. The more you add, the less effect each has (in percentages).
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