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Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 10:29:00 - [1] Originally by: n sx Edited by: n sx on 04/12/2006 08:40:06 Originally by: Leffe Please enlighten us. What are the dangers that ISS pose to the rest of the 0.0 community. I really would like to know. You're either completely new to ISS or are truly blind. IAC, as freespace advocates, much like yourselves pride ourselves and generally treasure neutrals and nearby friends operating from our infrastructure. Ultimatey its good business. The simple requirement to operate in IAC space is to refrain from being hostile towards IAC and preferably assisting us with defences of the area. Consistent offenders of IAC policy are actively hunted and station facilities removed. In that respect, additional to the fact we actively police our space technically makes it more beneficial to neutrals than ISS could even claim to be. The point that has been brought up in this thread is COMPLETELY true. In the 12 months IAC and ISS have been neighbours, the 'little' backstabs are near impossible to count, and the MONUMENTAL ones seem to happen every 6 months. We have merely turned a blind eye in the interest of keeping the peace. Your claims of absolute neutrality as you like to use when you choose in affect can facilitate the destruction of long time allies. How would you feel, if an alliance with 25+ dreads used IAC stations to siege you, one jump from two of your own and we simply allowed them to do it? Oh, add to the fact the CEO of IAC would be sitting at one of your POS' being sieged, in a pod watching. Tell me what that tastes like? .... if you can't imagine, please just ask. I'm not blatently accusing you all of being underhanded, I know for a fact some of you despise some of the backstabbing and intel sharing and know that others have left ISS because of it. There will always be those that ruin it for others, but ISS needs to take A side, and stick by it. Your consistent claim of neutrality will in the end be your destruction and this fact is becoming obvious as more and more corps and alliances turn on you. You cannot 'stay out' of the battles you choose and then fight in others without causing some kind of ripples in someone elses pond. It's not the front line policy and charter of ISS that's dangerous to fellow 0.0 inhabitants, it's the dealings that occur in the background that you're unable to police and the protection that your public policy allows. Add to that the added protection of public investors in your outposts and you've got even more of a cushion. Hi n sx I'm not usually one to air laundry in public, dirty or not, but it seems a bit too many myths are building up regarding ISS. 1/ The MC attack on IAC: the MC dread fleet was based in Fabrica during the UNITY campaign. As the campaign wound down, ISS left the area and the MC guys stayed on for a couple weeks to help UK stabilise the situation. Then, one friday, ISS Management, the whole team, went to London for a reallife meeting. Sometime during the weekend, I logged on to Eve-O from an internet cafT to check up on things. Two surprises awaited me: you guys had built a gallente outpost and someone, including MC, were attacking you. From the forums it wasn't really clear what was going on.. When we got back on Sunday, we started figuring out what was happening. 2/ ISS refused passage to the invasion fleet for a couple of hours in ZXIC. ISSN command stood down after a while because FIX were blue to us. Why were they blue? Because they had asked for it a few days earlier (probably because they were planning the attack on you). We had no reasons to deny them a NAP, so they got it. >>> Chairman, ISS
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 10:32:00 - [2] 3/ MC staging out of Fabrica. Believe it or not, but it took a couple more days to figure that one out. Contrary to what you think, ISS is not that tight. The Providence people didn't think anything of the MC dreads because they were used to seeing them during the Unity campaign and thus didn't report it to us. When we realised, we asked them to get out and they all moved somewhere else, Litom, I think. 4/ Yes at one point I was checking out an assault MC were doing on one of your POS. The reason was simply that I was curious to see what kind of force they were capable of fielding with FIX. I didn't mean to offend your feelings. Sorry about that one, I'm a nub, what can I say.. :-) 5/ Now, as for the 'major backstabs' you mention, we revised the Charter especially to avoid having to step out if a friend is attacked in the future. Now, if you read it, you will see no more mention of 'neutral', but 'apolitical': we have one master now, and one master only: the shareholders, which equals taking care of the financial wellbeing of their assets, ie the outposts. Considering the fact that IAC are freespace advocates and that you have always promoted trade, it is a no brainer that it's in our interest that you keep hold of the stations you paid for and that you built. 6/ To wind this long post down, I'll address the 'major backstabs'. There have been two that could be construed as major backstabs by you guys. The first is when Curse Coalition, led by VIRII (and Priory, who later joined your alliance), attacked ISS Tycho. You helped us as you were also -10 to VIRII. At one point VIRII asked for a ceasefire. This we granted (because the Charter seemed to direct it), and we allowed them to pull out of the system. We napped them, and they later left the region. You felt we left you out to dry because VIRII continued shooting at you and I can understand that. In retrospective we should have acted differently and we should have stood side by side with IAC against the Doril pirates. VIRII didn't deserve to be let off the hook so easy. Under the new charter we would not have had to act like that, but thats all water under the bridge. I don't know if it makes any difference, but I'd like to offer my apologies for the way we handled the situation back then. The remaining 'backstab' would be the McFIX attack, and I went over that already. Now to re-iterate one last time, ISS does not have any intentions whatsoever of breaking our NAP and attacking you. Feel free to convo me. Regards Count Chairman, ISS
Muadeeb Ousil Minmatar Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:08:00 - [3] No mention of the change of standings for Fix on the Friday night... Why not, i gather they are still hostile to ISS according to a post in another thread yet, 1 night before the McFix attack your Director Team grant docking rights to Fix at the ISS stations, an Alliance Hostile always in the past and still Hostile at the moment to ISS. Curious timing and decision making. Yes i also felt the Blade strike my back as you put the knife into every IAC fleet member that rallied to defend YOUR system, for the greater good of the community in that area. Left hung out to Dry. I was once ex ISS but to many political events have shifted my viewpoint on your Organisation. You play a dangerous political game behind the scenes while maintaining the face of an innocent child caught stealing the 1 penny sweetie at the confectionary shop when you are rumbled. It just dosn't work on me anymore.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:15:00 - [4] Another attempt at trying to fix the already horrible ISS-reputation... Sadly this is too little and too late. Too many loose ends, and your post does nothing to tie them together. 1/10 for the effort, 10/10 for the upcoming drama. ____________ The Priory Killboard
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:21:00 - [5] It's over ISS, You are no longer a "neutral" entity in New Eden. Your own arrogance, and attempts to manipulate every standing change, open or stealth has made this a certainty, a fact. VETO FOR HIRE
Muadeeb Ousil Minmatar Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:23:00 - [6] Just to clarify one thing for those that support ISS out there. The large Alliances love them, they can be manipulated rather easily to create unrest and be used as support when it suits them. An Ace in the pocket - i can understand why they see ISS as a tool to be used to advance their prospects. ISS will and always have bent over backwords to anyone the perceive as being a powerhouse within the Community. Their management team strive to become the next powerhouse themselves - all in the name of the shareholder, they do this by giving ill favours to Alliances that can give them a bunk up the political ladder. However if you are a medium sized Alliance with localised interests - beware ISS and its long term goals. At some point its going to trample all over you. Not long ago ISS Navy posted a rather interesting thread where they attemtped to flex their muscles a little bit, proclaiming the "bit Part Alliances" better watch their backs. It was an I'll Advised thread that was ambiguous at best. Not content with a direct threat it set aside BOB,LV,MC - proclaimed them as the powerhouses of the game and gave them cordial worship (and in doing so attempted to ensure its ego did not get above its station and make them targets of their wrath) and them proceeded to threaten any other Alliance that should oppose them. In this thread ISS revealed its thoughts and desires, it does perceive itself as a the 4th powerhouse of the game. Interestingly no note was given to any Northern Alliance.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:24:00 - [7] I think there's an adage, that you should judge a person by their enemies. Probably am misquoting that somewhere. But I have to say, I am impressed by the sheer quality and effort going into the smear campaign. Makes me feel loved.
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Muadeeb Ousil No mention of the change of standings for Fix on the Friday night... Why not, i gather they are still hostile to ISS according to a post in another thread yet, 1 night before the McFix attack your Director Team grant docking rights to Fix at the ISS stations, an Alliance Hostile always in the past and still Hostile at the moment to ISS. Curious timing and decision making. Yes i also felt the Blade strike my back as you put the knife into every IAC fleet member that rallied to defend YOUR system, for the greater good of the community in that area. Left hung out to Dry. I was once ex ISS but to many political events have shifted my viewpoint on your Organisation. You play a dangerous political game behind the scenes while maintaining the face of an innocent child caught stealing the 1 penny sweetie at the confectionary shop when you are rumbled. It just dosn't work on me anymore. if your refering to my comment i all my information is old news fix were kos on iss standings, what they are now i have no idea don't go using my posts for information i am just a forum ***** knowledge is power.... guard it well
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:29:00 - [9] <=== Also ex ISS, left to join IAC, and here's the thing Count, why its such a bitter pill, when were in ISS, IAC and ISS were friends very close friends, jumping to help each other, because it was the right thing to do, and we joined IAC from ISS under that auspisice (dont even know if i can use that word there lol) You were our first step into 0.0 and for that personally i'll always be grateful, and it was with that in mind that when in IAC, and IAC heard that CC had placed POS's in ZXIC, we formed up to come help, we weren't ordered or even asked to iirc, we just did because our friends were in trouble. Now you imagine how deep we felt that knife slide in when we were in ZXIC defending your space, out of friendship, when we suddenly hear that ISS is standing down, and while the fighting is still raging you've napped our mutual enemy, i mean ffs what were you thinking, and yea that did cut deep, with that single act you broke the best friendship ISS could ever have had in that area. Mind you i am pleasantly suprised to see some sort of apology at long last, and personally it's appreciated, i don't know if the members of IAC would or should be so forgiving though, but it is a start i guess, and i really hope you have learned the lesson there. this is all mho, it may or may not reflect the views of my Corp and or Alliance etc etc etc Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Rocko MonkeyBone Oberon Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Rocko MonkeyBone on 10/12/2006 11:38:43 At one point I was the alliance leader for CHIMP. During my time we set up multiple coverts around ISS outposts near our space. Even had some docked up there. they were there for 1 reason, to watch who was using ISS outposts. RA and their pals were regular visitors to your stations to mount assaults into CHIMP space. One time inparticular was when we destroyed a large hostile gang, when they were podded... strangely enough they appeared in an ISS station.....odd? ISS have even engaged CHIMP on a few occasions, and YOUR diplomats say it was an accident... strange as BLUE on my overview means "Dont shoot"..... Hence you were neutral to us for some time, and we used your outposts for getting some easy kills as known hostiles undocked to use your space for ratting/mining and a staging point. Neutral you be.. and neutral you shall stay.

Press Officer Leaked Memo's	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:39:00 - [11] Can we please start an "Official" ISS Bashing Sticky .......
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:40:00 - [12] oh it'll grow to 8 or so pages once the alts get in on the act knowledge is power.... guard it well
Muadeeb Ousil Minmatar Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:46:00 - [13] "Press Officer" you could always post with your main, rather than hide like a coward. One press release you didn't post is the one about Para' Soul region and your directors initial interest in taking residence in an outpost down there once BoB clears out ASCN -If they every do, think in terms of the LV setup with Tenerifs. Do you really think you can pull off another stunt like that ah la D2... PS check your mailing lists you possibly have a leak or you could always say that people hate you so much that they make it up. Makes no difference to me TBH.
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Muadeeb Ousil "Press Officer" you could always post with your main, rather than hide like a coward. One press release you didn't post is the one about Para' Soul region and your directors initial interest in taking residence in an outpost down there once BoB clears out ASCN -If they every do, think in terms of the LV setup with Tenerifs. Do you really think you can pull off another stunt like that ah la D2... PS check your mailing lists you possibly have a leak or you could always say that people hate you so much that they make it up. Makes no difference to me TBH. yes just like happened with the fix out posts ...oh wait.. knowledge is power.... guard it well
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.10 13:02:00 - [15] To Count TaSessine, Firstly thankyou for the delayed response to my queries as to how ISS is a threat to 0.0 existence. In regards to 'laundry' you and I both know we've discussed these points at length in private (particularly around the McFIX invasion) and got nowhere, maybe the public forums is the only place you will respond properly. Ultimately, IAC have nothing to hide in our dealings with ISS. I think you adequately confirm my concerns and the fact ISS acted in the wrong on numerous occasions and more often then not, IAC's walked away with a very sour taste in its mouth. I think and I hope you agree, given the actions over 12 months, we've been very tolerant of your policies and also your actions. I do however commend you for finally taking responsibility for these poor decisions. I also applaud you for recently ammending your charter to hopefully better assist those that increase your own business opportunities and general trade in the areas, in-line with your goal of 0.0 inhabitation. It's sad that it's taken this long, and this much bloodshed, mainly at the cost of your 'neighbours' for you to realise the faults in your previous agreement. With all of the above said, and our previous experiences in dealing with ISS it would be unwise of me to ignore your actions and only listen to your promises (our fault in the past). You have nearly 100 ISSN pilots one jump from our outpost, for an operation that I have been told has nothing to do with IAC (lies, more lies) and I know you personally have warned your own pilots to make sure all blues are on overview incase of incident. As I have said before, IAC's pilots have only been asked to exercise caution when operating near ISS and to remove assets from your stations. We dont currently have an army right up in your face, and its currently business as usual for our pilots. I recommend that you offer IAC the same courtesy.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 13:23:00 - [16] Originally by: n sx With all of the above said, and our previous experiences in dealing with ISS it would be unwise of me to ignore your actions and only listen to your promises (our fault in the past). You have nearly 100 ISSN pilots one jump from our outpost, for an operation that I have been told has nothing to do with IAC (lies, more lies) and I know you personally have warned your own pilots to make sure all blues are on overview incase of incident. This would be in the system where Tycho is, right? So as much 'right outside an ISS outpost' as 'one jump from your outpost'.
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:06:00 - [17] Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 10/12/2006 11:58:50 Another attempt at trying to fix the already horrible ISS-reputation... Sadly this is too little and too late. Too many loose ends, and your post does nothing to tie them together. 1/10 for the effort, 10/10 for the upcoming drama. EDIT: How would ISS leadership explain the numerous ISS-pilots scouting for McFIX during the IAC-war? It seems strange that a long-term hostile (FIX) suddenly got a NAP prior to them attacking IAC, while ISS-pilots suddenly start flying around just ahead of McFIX fleets... im offended. honestly. why in the 9 hells would we use ISS to scout for us when we have perfectly good covert ops alts:) frick alone has at least half a dozen. Intelligence is life. I dont think your giving us enough credit. Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:12:00 - [18] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 10/12/2006 11:58:50 Another attempt at trying to fix the already horrible ISS-reputation... Sadly this is too little and too late. Too many loose ends, and your post does nothing to tie them together. 1/10 for the effort, 10/10 for the upcoming drama. EDIT: How would ISS leadership explain the numerous ISS-pilots scouting for McFIX during the IAC-war? It seems strange that a long-term hostile (FIX) suddenly got a NAP prior to them attacking IAC, while ISS-pilots suddenly start flying around just ahead of McFIX fleets... im offended. honestly. why in the 9 hells would we use ISS to scout for us when we have perfectly good covert ops alts:) frick alone has at least half a dozen. Intelligence is life. I dont think your giving us enough credit. I don't give MC any credit as you do not deserve any... But in all honesty I do not expect a mere slave to understand - well anything ____________ The Priory Killboard
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:19:00 - [19] Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 10/12/2006 17:23:08 Originally by: n sx To Count TaSessine, [...]With all of the above said, and our previous experiences in dealing with ISS it would be unwise of me to ignore your actions and only listen to your promises (our fault in the past). You have nearly 100 ISSN pilots one jump from our outpost, for an operation that I have been told has nothing to do with IAC (lies, more lies) and I know you personally have warned your own pilots to make sure all blues are on overview incase of incident. As I have said before, IAC's pilots have only been asked to exercise caution when operating near ISS and to remove assets from your stations. We dont currently have an army right up in your face, and its currently business as usual for our pilots. I recommend that you offer IAC the same courtesy. are you seriously afraid of ISS attacking you and taking your outposts? Think things through thouroughly before posting ffs. Ok. let me explain this in modern terms. China is a capitalist country with a communist government. Their massive, burgeoning economy relies almost exclusively on the buying power of western nations, especially the US. The ISS, in this case, is china. They may have the military ABILITY to go on the offensive, but can/will not for a number of reasons. They are like china in that should they begin attacking ANYONE, attempting to siege someones stations, whatever, all public trust in ISS will be lost, and the shareholders who OWN iss outposts will be very unhappy. To say the least, the ISS economy would collapse. ISS will never attack IAC. My guess is that the farthest they will ever go is to defend ISS assets against IAC should IAC attack them. other reasons ISS will never attack a neutral/+ standings outpost, for any reason, or possibly even wont attack a -10 outpost: Manpower. ISSN, while a large corp, is a tiny pvp force compared to the pvp force able to be leveled by, say, any other 0.0 alliance. Public Outposts: ISS dont own their own outposts. Different, and some powerful, individuals in eve do. Such individuals would tear ISS apart if they began randomly attacking their neibors like "normal" alliances. Cap Fleet: Does ISS really have enough dreads to take down a large POS? Carebears: nough said. future outposts: ISS must stay true to their charter. If they do not, not only would their own corps leave them, but future IPO launches would be failures due to lack of public funding. I think the idea of IAC feeling threatened by ISSN a few jumps away from the outpost THEY just recently built there is funny as heck. The way I see it: ISS was there. IAC build an outpost next to ISS outpost, and decide they want both. IAC bluster, claim they are feeling threatened by ISS, and use it as an opportunity to get a free outpost or two. It sounds like IAC see's a squirrel and is shouting "OMG its coming right for us!" and then blowing the squirrel up with a bazooka. Theres no problem with attacking your neibors. thats part of EVE. just dont try and pretend you have the moral highground:-p as an outsider looking in, with great respect for both IAC (after our contract against them) and ISS (after working for them), it looks like you two really need to sit down, call "re-do!", and go at it it with a fresh, friendship-driven face. or else IAC need to just call a spade a spade:) I just hope i have enough popcorn to watch this play out! Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:26:00 - [20] Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 10/12/2006 17:28:29 Originally by: maGz Originally by: FowlPlayChiken Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 10/12/2006 11:58:50 Another attempt at trying to fix the already horrible ISS-reputation... Sadly this is too little and too late. Too many loose ends, and your post does nothing to tie them together. 1/10 for the effort, 10/10 for the upcoming drama. EDIT: How would ISS leadership explain the numerous ISS-pilots scouting for McFIX during the IAC-war? It seems strange that a long-term hostile (FIX) suddenly got a NAP prior to them attacking IAC, while ISS-pilots suddenly start flying around just ahead of McFIX fleets... im offended. honestly. why in the 9 hells would we use ISS to scout for us when we have perfectly good covert ops alts:) frick alone has at least half a dozen. Intelligence is life. I dont think your giving us enough credit. I don't give MC any credit as you do not deserve any... But in all honesty I do not expect a mere slave to understand - well anything out of curiosity...all this bable has exactly...what? to do with the fact that we have covert ops pilots in the MC? what am I not understanding. please, enlighten me. Are my covert ops actually figmemts of my imagination? perhaps I should lay off the Grolsh. Am I somehow mistaken in my statements of fact? do convo me and explain in detail. I await breathless with anticipation. BAWK p.s. ive said all that needs saying. wont be posting in this thread again. g'day, sirrah! may you find much chicken love Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler

Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/12/2006 17:30:46 Originally by: n sx for an operation that I have been told has nothing to do with IAC (lies, more lies) Check the map. ISS deployed a new outpost recently (today I think). Now, call me intiuitive, but I would hazard a wild guess that is what those pilots relocated for. Believe it or not, the world doesnt revolve around IAC. You are a warmonger, and a rather poor one at that. We can see through it.
Firane Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Muadeeb Ousil Why not, i gather they are still hostile to ISS according to a post in another thread yet, 1 night before the McFix attack your Director Team grant docking rights to Fix at the ISS stations, an Alliance Hostile always in the past and still Hostile at the moment to ISS. It would take a person living in the south to be able to tell if we are hostile to ISS at the moment would it not? Looks on overview Doesn't see ISS ----------
Muadeeb Ousil Minmatar Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:55:00 - [23] Ammusing to see BOB's play things come out to defend ISS, Guess you guys really are in bed together...
The Alien Primary Targets	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:22:00 - [24] Edited by: The Alien on 10/12/2006 18:22:44
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:30:00 - [25] I may as well add my 2 cents in an attempt to clear the air; there seems to be some question as to how FIX managed to get standings with ISS just prior to the Prohibition campaign. It's very simple. I contacted them, and asked for standings. I told them that ISS isn't really a target of interest for FIX (and they aren't), and that we have no reason to be shooting at them. In return for standings, we ofc don't shoot at ISS pilots. ISS is a business interest... not getting shot at, is good business. Obviously, I didn't tell ISS that FIX was about to embark on a bit of fun with MC against IAC. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one incident since we've gone blue to ISS. The pilot in question was kicked from corp and FIX. FIX will continue to maintain positive standings towards ISS. There is no cloak and dagger going on here, it's all pretty straight forward standard stuff. No ISS pilots provided intel to FIX or MC; there is nothing in our agreement that goes beyond a standard NAP. Blog
Press Officer Leaked Memo's	Posted - 2006.12.10 19:24:00 - [26] Totally agree with Fowl .... The IAC build an Outpost next to a "Public" ISS Outpost and then hatch a dirty smear campaign and plan to attack the ISS due to them suddenly "feeling scared" ....... rather pathetic and you, Priory, Rev and the rest of the "wannab's" need to think of something more creative ... Back down from you "attack plan" or you going to look silly when you lose everything and gain nothing..... do you really feel the Eve community is going to standby and do nothing while you try to scam an outpost for free.
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.10 19:37:00 - [27] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 10/12/2006 17:23:08 Originally by: n sx To Count TaSessine, [...]With all of the above said, and our previous experiences in dealing with ISS it would be unwise of me to ignore your actions and only listen to your promises (our fault in the past). You have nearly 100 ISSN pilots one jump from our outpost, for an operation that I have been told has nothing to do with IAC (lies, more lies) and I know you personally have warned your own pilots to make sure all blues are on overview incase of incident. As I have said before, IAC's pilots have only been asked to exercise caution when operating near ISS and to remove assets from your stations. We dont currently have an army right up in your face, and its currently business as usual for our pilots. I recommend that you offer IAC the same courtesy. are you seriously afraid of ISS attacking you and taking your outposts? Think things through thouroughly before posting ffs. Ok. let me explain this in modern terms. China is a capitalist country with a communist government. Their massive, burgeoning economy relies almost exclusively on the buying power of western nations, especially the US. The ISS, in this case, is china. They may have the military ABILITY to go on the offensive, but can/will not for a number of reasons. They are like china in that should they begin attacking ANYONE, attempting to siege someones stations, whatever, all public trust in ISS will be lost, and the shareholders who OWN iss outposts will be very unhappy. To say the least, the ISS economy would collapse. ISS will never attack IAC. My guess is that the farthest they will ever go is to defend ISS assets against IAC should IAC attack them. other reasons ISS will never attack a neutral/+ standings outpost, for any reason, or possibly even wont attack a -10 outpost: Manpower. ISSN, while a large corp, is a tiny pvp force compared to the pvp force able to be leveled by, say, any other 0.0 alliance. Public Outposts: ISS dont own their own outposts. Different, and some powerful, individuals in eve do. Such individuals would tear ISS apart if they began randomly attacking their neibors like "normal" alliances. Cap Fleet: Does ISS really have enough dreads to take down a large POS? Carebears: nough said. future outposts: ISS must stay true to their charter. If they do not, not only would their own corps leave them, but future IPO launches would be failures due to lack of public funding. I think the idea of IAC feeling threatened by ISSN a few jumps away from the outpost THEY just recently built there is funny as heck. The way I see it: ISS was there. IAC build an outpost next to ISS outpost, and decide they want both. IAC bluster, claim they are feeling threatened by ISS, and use it as an opportunity to get a free outpost or two. It sounds like IAC see's a squirrel and is shouting "OMG its coming right for us!" and then blowing the squirrel up with a bazooka. Theres no problem with attacking your neibors. thats part of EVE. just dont try and pretend you have the moral highground:-p as an outsider looking in, with great respect for both IAC (after our contract against them) and ISS (after working for them), it looks like you two really need to sit down, call "re-do!", and go at it it with a fresh, friendship-driven face. or else IAC need to just call a spade a spade:) I just hope i have enough popcorn to watch this play out! And MC complains about people jumping into posts....you're lame. Anywho, to Count....personally, love the post. Hope we all stay friends...
Dammar Ephorate	Posted - 2006.12.10 20:28:00 - [28] Just wanted to say that while I couldn't be bothered to read most of this thread, the entertainment value in the first post was substantial. I remember being in a certain alliance that lived in the constellation now owned by IAC (jzv). I Remember how IAC worked with ISS(one of the first major incidents questioning ISS neutrality..) and how much forum whoring it took to get ISS(n) off our backs so we could simply have less 'groups' of people shooting at our, again, smaller alliance which was purely in defence mode at that time. I guess it's all fun and games untill someone wets the bed. Also I find it highly amusing how the faces everyone seems to associate with 'IAC' these days...are the same people who were helping that aforementioned small alliance fight IAC those many moons ago. UMCON, it's too bad things worked out the way they did back then. If you guys were handed the reins instead of what actually happened, the landscape would possibly look a bit different in catch. Then again, maybe not. Anyway, just some stuff I felt like saying heh, carry on fhoraging.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 21:12:00 - [29] Aww crap, I go to sleep and the thread gets trolled by the same group of people every ISS thread get stroleld by. For christ sake, at least make constructive comments or discussion. It's gotten to the point where every time the ISS is mentioned in a thread, I see immature posts by Verone and usually every single active member of The Priory. And no, posting pictures of someone beating a horse and making baseless claims without even attempting to back them up is not constructive. I'll address a few points here, sorry that I can't quote the questons or people who brought each up, but here goes: Alt Scouting and the passing of intel The ISS charter forbids the passing of intel, including scouting for someone, to non-iss entities. Management do not condone actions that violate the charter (I really shouldn't need to point that out, it should be obvious) and if a pilot is doing that, report them to ISS Management. If something doesn't get sorted out, it's almost certainly because nobody reported it. That said, it is just as easy for someone to join any major alliance by joining one of its member corps as it is for someone to join an ISS member corp. If, and it's entirely possible that it could happen, an ISS pilot WERE scouting for another entity, it's also possible for that pilot to have been planted in the alliance specifically for that purpose. Therefore, the entire alliance cannot be held accountable for the immediate action of the individual ISS pilots, only for their continued action after that action is adequately reported it to ISS Management. And the same goes for EVERY SINGLE major alliance, if the alliance don't condone something and a member does it, the member is in the wrong, not the alliance. If you report a pilot for a charter violation such as passing intel, with adequate proof of course, they will be disciplined almost assuredly by removal from the alliance within the week. If they aren't removed from their corp, their corp will be removed from the alliance. And no, seeing an ISS pilot jump into a system ahead of a hostile fleet is not proof of scouting - it's proof of nothing more than that ISS pilots fly ships in space and anyone with a level head on their shoulders can see that. Now if you have fraps of it happening on a few separate occasions, that's solid evidence. Originally by: n sx for an operation that I have been told has nothing to do with IAC (lies, more lies) As ButterDog hinted at, before downtime we deployed the outpost LV Serenity, under contract with LV. This is what the huge ISS blob was for and it should be dispersed now that the outpost is secure. As has been said NUMEROUS times and is made clear by the ISS Charter, we will only amass forces for defensive operations in the best interests of the public outposts, on behalf of the shareholders that have stake in them. If you think anything other than that is going on, please contact a member of ISS Management to disuss it. We have made mistakes in the past, and we're trying to prevent them happening again The phrase "water under the bridge" clings to me right now. Yes, ISS have made a lot of mistakes in the past. So has every major alliance, we're not special and we're not ebil for making mistakes. Hanging IAC out to dry during the CC escapade all those months ago was the start of it and I'm personally pleased to see an official admittance that it was a mistake and an apology from Count TaSessine for doing it. We know we were wrong, we've admitted that in hindsight some decisions were bad, we've apologised AND we've actively sought to prevent similar situations occuring with the new charter etc. The charter should prevent old errors from occuring, maybe give it a chance? The ball in in IAC's court. We have plenty of common enemies, we have the same goals for the areas of space we inhabit and absolutely no reason to make enemies of each other. Can't we work together? More on this in a few minutes... Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 21:39:00 - [30] Standings and docking rights Another major point of contention has been the standings issues, regarding docking access in the ISS outposts. There are a few misconceptions to clear up. First, alliance standings and docking rights aren't linked at all in any way. I wish they were but they aren't. Docking access can't be set to alliances, it's set as a corp-to-corp standings change between the outpost owning corp and there are only so many slots in the standings list, a lot of which are taken up in day to day runnings of the outpost for jump clone standings and ISS corps that now get free docking rights and need standings set appropriately. Second, someone docking in an ISS outpost (though this should be painfully clear to anyone with some sense) does not inferr any kind of relationship with the ISS. The ISS outposts are all public, and for clarification here is the list of ISS outposts: "ISS Cassini", "ISS Borealis", "ISS Consido", "ISS Fabrica", "ISS Tycho", "ISS Marginis". The other two "LV Calico" and now "LV Serenity", deployed this morning, are not ISS outposts, those are LV outposts that we manage for them and use under a space rental contract (the kind we're open to with any other alliance if it's a good deal). The ISS outposts allow docking to anyone who is not SPECIFICALLY banned from docking, and the standings are set per outpost or group of outposts. I'm regonal coordinator for Providence, so I can tell you now that standings for Consido and Fabrica are set by ISS Providence corp as a set. Standings for Marginis and Tycho I believe are set by another corp as a group and Borealis and Cassini I'm not sure about as I live in the south and those are in the north. In order for an alliance to have docking rights revolked across the board, we'd need a list of ALL of their member corps and we'd have to manually set standings to each one of them. Once again, I WISH we could set it to use alliance standings but the outpost mechanics don't offer that option. Finally, there were issues regarding people using the outposts to stage attacks on nearby alliance's assets without risking their own. If you take a peek at the charter, you'll notice this is now prohibited by the following passage: " -- If an entity uses the outpost as a staging area to wage war, they may have their docking rights removed for the duration of the war." If someone is attacking you near an ISS outpost, it's a simple matter to evemail the regional coordinator for that area and ask that they have docking rights revolked. According to the new charter, we pretty much can't refuse. It'd be annoying and fiddly to set the whole of FIX to being unable to dock and would require a full corp list but we'd do it because it says it in the charter. Also see this passage: " - ISS allow pirates and fleets to dock but will respond to concerns of neighbours on docking rights." This pretty much says that if Ushra Kahn, IAC, Sylph Alliance, CVA and the others living around the south don't want their enemies to be able to dock at ISS outposts in Providence and Catch, we'll do it. In an effort to protect relations with our neighbours, which is a damn sight more important to the security of the outposts than profits, we'll work with our friendly neighbours to stop all of our hostiles docking, even ones that are neutral to us. If they don't want peace with our friendly neighbours, they have forfeited their rights to use our outposts. I don't know about everyone else but I want to see ISS being a strong asset to our friendly neighbours, if they will let us. **While I don't officially represent the alliance (as technically by the new charter only Count TaSessine can do that), I have its best interests at heart, I am part of the management team and I have permission to post on the forum to address questions and concerns that arise. For official diplomatic Contact and policy decisions not covered by the charter, contact Count TaSessine (drop him an evemail). Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.

Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.10 22:13:00 - [31] And in light of this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=441626 All I can say is that we have not been the agressors and we tried. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.10 22:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Nyphur And in light of this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=441626 All I can say is that we have not been the agressors and we tried. well maybe you havnt fired the first shot, but there is more than one way to be an agressor. bought time people are seeing iss for what they really are in eve. Gl iac and we will be seeing you in space there nyp. you still mining in c3- with your moros?
MrRogerz The Neighborhood	Posted - 2006.12.10 23:32:00 - [33] If IAC starts invading ISS space, the shareholders of ISS (The TRUE owners of ISS stations) will do anything they can do stop IAC from being successful. This is ISK we are talking about. I expect another MC wardec.
Crax McGee Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.11 00:00:00 - [34] MON THE IAC .. IM A BIG FAN!
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 01:20:00 - [35] Count maybe if you had reigned in your little lapdog butter*** who has recently flamed and slandered nsx a respectable leader of iac such conflict could be avoided. You guys always say well we can't control every member, so who the can you control? Your leadership is obviously pathetic and useless since you guys never seem to be able to control your membership. And i know bitterdog is going to bring out the whole "I'm not affiliated with iss" so let me give you a little lesson in the english language. When you use the pronoun "we" you are associating yourself with them. Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
LOPEZ Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:02:00 - [36] Originally by: MrRogerz If IAC starts invading ISS space, the shareholders of ISS (The TRUE owners of ISS stations) will do anything they can do stop IAC from being successful. This is ISK we are talking about. I expect another MC wardec.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Murukan Count maybe if you had reigned in your little lapdog butter***** Who has not been in ISS for months, keep up Murukan. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Murukan Count maybe if you had reigned in your little lapdog butter*** Who has not been in ISS for months, keep up Murukan. hey tard read the rest of the post. He uses "we" in almost every post of his. What does "we" mean? Do you need a lesson in english too? Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.11 02:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Murukan Count maybe if you had reigned in your little lapdog butter***** Who has not been in ISS for months, keep up Murukan. hey tard read the rest of the post. He uses "we" in almost every post of his. What does "we" mean? Do you need a lesson in english too? Thanks for breaking the forum rules. And no, he doesn't. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 03:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Murukan Count maybe if you had reigned in your little lapdog butter*** Who has not been in ISS for months, keep up Murukan. hey tard read the rest of the post. He uses "we" in almost every post of his. What does "we" mean? Do you need a lesson in english too? Thanks for breaking the forum rules. And no, he doesn't. well he sure associates himself with you guys. Maybe you should put some distance between you and him considering he makes you look like a tard Manlove by Zaphod Jones**

Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.11 03:21:00 - [41] So if I say 'we', do I spreak for ISS too? Didn't know it worked that way, nice!
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 04:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Xander Magnus So if I say 'we', do I spreak for ISS too? Didn't know it worked that way, nice! no but if you're associating yourself like that and flame upstanding leaders of other alliances it would be smart for iss to distance themselves from you Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:03:00 - [43] Edited by: Horatio Nately on 11/12/2006 08:06:38 if you're trying to address your (ISS)'s credability, You forgot prax shooting at people because a Non-ISS in their gang was under attack, and later basically sayng it was the attacker's fault because they didnt know that gang has ISS members in it. --------------------------------------- Operations Officer, 808 Enterprises Yes Eight Oh Eight, Not Bee Oh Bee My Opinions pretty much represent my corp. Boo fkin hoo.
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Murukan Count maybe if you had reigned in your little lapdog butter***** Who has not been in ISS for months, keep up Murukan. He only left ISS a couple of weeks ago IIRC, he pretty much joins when he feels like it and leaves when people start to forget about him on the forums so he can make another post
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:55:00 - [45] This simply looks like ISS has built an outpost too close to an alliance's borders. And now the alliance in question is understandably upset that it's enemies can launch attacks from said outpost, but gets badmouthed when it tried to remove the outpost. I can see that ISS have struggled to remain neutral, and I can see that borders will change. But this is something where diplomacy is the key. As the OP has stated, ISS had***ed up on occasion with standings and NAPs. I mean... BoB would be understandably **ed if ISS Querious (not real) was used by ASCN as a staging post. Just because ASCN had asked for +ve standings before BoB did. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Merin Skaa Amarr Atoch Family Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.11 14:02:00 - [46] Originally by: FireFoxx80 This simply looks like ISS has built an outpost too close to an alliance's borders. And now the alliance in question is understandably upset that it's enemies can launch attacks from said outpost, but gets badmouthed when it tried to remove the outpost. Its the other way round. Look on the map. ISS have space stations in KDF-GY and ZXIC-7. Then IAC placed an admin space station in F4R.
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.11 14:42:00 - [47] Originally by: FireFoxx80 This simply looks like ISS has built an outpost too close to an alliance's borders. You might want to check your facts, ISS built Marginis, then IAC moved into the area and built the Distillery. ISS then built a factory outpost in ZX, and LASTLY, IAC built an outpost right next door in F4. This SIMPLY looks like IAC ran out of space to expand! Being neutral in this universe is a very difficult thing indeed, and ISS have done the best they can, even going as far as to revise their own charter to specifically address issues that otheralliances raised. One fundamental rule: you can't please all the people all the time, which is why Galnet fills up with criticism of ISS whenever ISS's neutrality doesn't suit one party or another. I was one of the first members of Celtic Industries(now part of IAC), and I pray that none of the people I used to call friends had any part in IAC's aggression.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.11 15:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Crozon This SIMPLY looks like IAC ran out of space to expand! My bad, as I said, I'm not sure of the history. But if an ISS station now borders an alliance territory, then it's bound to get sticky. I guess this is the first time something like this has come up. D2 seem to be fairly content with ISS in Pure Blind, 1J from Fade. Not so sure about southerners. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Tribunal FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 17:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Butter Dog You are a warmonger, and a rather poor one at that. We can see through it. It was N sx, and a few diplomats, who were keeping the very angry mob of IAC in check, from storming ISS, after the MCFix war. Calling N sx a "warmonger" is quite humorous, but please keep insulting one of the diplomats who is usually very interested in peaceful relations. "We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:35:00 - [50] does anyone else see the parellels between IAC, and the end of FOE? ya know what they say about anxious pvpers and pi-sing on your own doorstep i wanna be the first to call this. my prediction is: IAC go the same way FOE went, for the same reasons. bawk!:) Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler

Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:07:00 - [51] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken does anyone else see the parellels between IAC, and the end of FOE? ya know what they say about anxious pvpers and pi-sing on your own doorstep i wanna be the first to call this. my prediction is: IAC go the same way FOE went, for the same reasons. bawk!:) Except you guys already tried to kill IAC and failed miserably. Oh wait i forgot your client disapeared
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Layla Currie Originally by: FowlPlayChiken does anyone else see the parellels between IAC, and the end of FOE? ya know what they say about anxious pvpers and pi-sing on your own doorstep i wanna be the first to call this. my prediction is: IAC go the same way FOE went, for the same reasons. bawk!:) Except you guys already tried to kill IAC and failed miserably. Oh wait i forgot your client disapeared What he is saying, is that when Industrialists and Miners start throwing their weight about, as if they were combat pilots, bad things tend to happen to them. ISS know their place in EVE. But do IAC?
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:55:00 - [53] so then you admit that iss knows that they belong in the crapper? Cause that is certainly their place.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:27:00 - [54] Has ISS hired MC to fight IAC on the forums or what ?
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:19:00 - [55] 1 month has passed... IAC command to IAC members: "Hope you like Jita it is our new home". Gluttony - one of the seven deadly sins
flyinhedgehog The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Layla Currie Originally by: FowlPlayChiken does anyone else see the parellels between IAC, and the end of FOE? ya know what they say about anxious pvpers and pi-sing on your own doorstep i wanna be the first to call this. my prediction is: IAC go the same way FOE went, for the same reasons. bawk!:) Except you guys already tried to kill IAC and failed miserably. Oh wait i forgot your client disapeared What he is saying, is that when Industrialists and Miners start throwing their weight about, as if they were combat pilots, bad things tend to happen to them. ISS know their place in EVE. But do IAC? BD I don't remember seeing you in foe, guess I should have been more observant. Also exactly the same comment could be applied to ISS, maybe more so.
Xooja The Illucian Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:50:00 - [57] Edited by: Xooja on 12/12/2006 19:55:08 As shareholders are now the masters, could I get a list of who all the shareholders are and what percentage stake they have so I can see who has the majority vote? I imagine all shareholders will want to know this information so they can see who has the majority when it comes to decision making, as well as details of income and outgoings to see where their isk is being spent and if sound financial investments are being made on the behalf.
Christoph Xavier	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:59:00 - [58] This was briefly mentioned in the ISS going public thread. All shares being sold are "non-voting" shares or "B shares" in the real world. Therefore it makes no difference.
Xooja The Illucian Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:04:00 - [59] Originally by: Christoph Xavier This was briefly mentioned in the ISS going public thread. All shares being sold are "non-voting" shares or "B shares" in the real world. Therefore it makes no difference. Thanks for the clarification
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:27:00 - [60] Originally by: Crozon 1 month has passed... IAC command to IAC members: "Hope you like Jita it is our new home". Gluttony - one of the seven deadly sins 1 month has passed IAC command to IAC members: "I hope you like NPC stations in Curse because it is our new home"

gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:03:00 - [61] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Originally by: Crozon 1 month has passed... IAC command to IAC members: "Hope you like Jita it is our new home". Gluttony - one of the seven deadly sins 1 month has passed IAC command to IAC members: "I hope you like NPC stations in Curse because it is our new home" mmm npc stns in curse. i guess ill have to buy you all a round at the bar
Kuang V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:17:00 - [62] kinda nice Count had time to mention VIRII ... I remember things slightly different . NO Matter Giv'em hell IAC
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:42:00 - [63] So hard to decide who to cheer for in this. Mutual destruction would be the best of course but I guess that would be too good to be true :) ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Bluespike Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Murukan Count maybe if you had reigned in your little lapdog butter***** who has recently flamed and slandered nsx a respectable leader of iac such conflict could be avoided. You guys always say well we can't control every member, so who the can you control? Your leadership is obviously pathetic and useless since you guys never seem to be able to control your membership. And i know bitterdog is going to bring out the whole "I'm not affiliated with iss" so let me give you a little lesson in the english language. When you use the pronoun "we" you are associating yourself with them. So what now? Shroud of Darkness is IAC's latest slave alliance?
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:44:00 - [65] Edited by: n sx on 15/12/2006 11:56:06 For the whole of EVE who wrote IAC off at the beginning of the last MC+FIX contract, we didn't hear you harping on when the Merc's pulled out were still standing only to drop another outpost 5 weeks later. The odds this time are stacked even harder against us, so you might just get your chance to badmouth some more. Fowl, your prediciton regarding IAC just might be correct, you at this stage would have a far better idea than I would . You should also know that IAC won't go down without a massive fight, and will have an awesome time doing so. To my opponents in MC, here's to spending ISS's investors money on a 4 week dread siege contract over xmas! Cheers!
Press Officer Leaked Memo's	Posted - 2006.12.15 12:32:00 - [66] Quote: To my opponents in MC, here's to spending ISS's investors money on a 4 week dread siege contract over xmas! Cheers Private finance 4tw
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.15 18:13:00 - [67] Is it true, n sx, that after complaining about the hiring of mercenary forces by ISS, you have now hired your own? Pot, kettle?
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.15 18:23:00 - [68] Originally by: Butter Dog Is it true, n sx, that after complaining about the hiring of mercenary forces by ISS, you have now hired your own? Pot, kettle? and what mercs would that be?
Grimkill The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.15 20:05:00 - [69] Mercs, what Mercs, OMG Butter, what ARE you on about???
CommanderXP	Posted - 2006.12.15 20:08:00 - [70] Edited by: CommanderXP on 15/12/2006 20:09:21 ooops wrong character...

Pat Bello FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.15 20:09:00 - [71] that is pure B**** and stop the propaganda and lies.. The only reason why MC packed up because their client stopped the contract. IF the contract had stayed longer, your wont have the station now. Can you just quit it. You should fire your PR officer for he is not doing a good job. What are the hell do you think about us the eve community? The eve community is much more smarter than that.. just stop the blah blah and start fighting already!!
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.15 20:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Pat Bello that is pure B**** and stop the propaganda and lies.. The only reason why MC packed up because their client stopped the contract. IF the contract had stayed longer, your wont have the station now. Can you just quit it. You should fire your PR officer for he is not doing a good job. What are the hell do you think about us the eve community? The eve community is much more smarter than that.. just stop the blah blah and start fighting already!! Eh? That did not make sense at all... But everytime someone from LV posts on these boards, all I see is rabblerabblerabble Pwned in the ear! ____________ The Priory Killboard
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:53:00 - [73] Originally by: Butter Dog Is it true, n sx, that after complaining about the hiring of mercenary forces by ISS, you have now hired your own? Pot, kettle? They hired us for 100isk. Speaking of pots and kettles, I thought ISS had a problem with pirates; What exactly is VETO doing working with you? Lacks eve related content. Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) Lacks pretty pink text. MaZ ([email protected])
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.16 02:24:00 - [74] Originally by: Butter Dog Is it true, n sx, that after complaining about the hiring of mercenary forces by ISS, you have now hired your own? Pot, kettle? I can answer that. IAC has not hired any mercs so far, not that we'd have any compunctions about doing so if we actually needed some. http://eve.klaki.net/
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.16 06:02:00 - [75] Originally by: n sx To my opponents in MC, here's to spending ISS's investors money on a 4 week dread siege contract over xmas! Cheers! Just a quick note, no ISS investor isk will ever be used for purposes not laid out in the IPO description. If alliance isk is used for the war effort, it will not be isk from investors or shares. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.16 07:47:00 - [76] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: n sx To my opponents in MC, here's to spending ISS's investors money on a 4 week dread siege contract over xmas! Cheers! Just a quick note, no ISS investor isk will ever be used for purposes not laid out in the IPO description. If alliance isk is used for the war effort, it will not be isk from investors or shares. lol ok we believe you cause iss has proven themselves to be such an honest organization
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.16 08:09:00 - [77] ISS: OMG we are so bloody scared! (goes to hire LOTS of mercs.) now it accuses IAC of hiring mercs. ------------------------------
DeckardIRL Gallente Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:16:00 - [78] I was pleb in IAC at the time of the ISS doublecross. It hurt alot of us personally after what we had been thru. I am happy to finally see an apology from Count TaSessine in regards of what happened. That will mean something to the line pilots. Its a shame that the apology has come late. There has always been an under current of ill feeling with regard to ISS after that within IAC. As a result of the OP, I think its the Counts duty to unilaterally stop the current hostilities with IAC and withdraw the Mercs. I cannot believe that Count TaSessine and Tyrrax cannot come to an arrangement now. Reparations in the form of an Imperial Apoc might do the trick... Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Butter Dog Is it true, n sx, that after complaining about the hiring of mercenary forces by ISS, you have now hired your own? Pot, kettle? How could we possibly do that when theyre allready taken? Last I counted they were all on your payroll... --------------------------------------------------


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