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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.18 23:34:36 -
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Most of the complaints regarding aegis sov would be allayed if interdiction nullification was removed from the game.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 03:27:30 -
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JetStream Drenard wrote:Maybe CCP should just take away sovereignty altogether. Just saying. They are gonna ***** no matter what, while they play nullsec farmville and follow the Imperium code of warfare.
You know what would be hilarious? Make their moons run out of goo and have the resource randomly respawn on a different moon somewhere else. Then set true sec status to fluctuate based on ratting behavior and anoms spawn based upon that instead of some silly upgrade. Less ratting = lower trusec/better anoms and vice versa. Watch them scramble around the map trying to stay ahead of the competition.
Sensors have detected a person who has never probed moons before.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.19 03:28:31 -
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Also, if you think the majority of our income is from moongoo in TYOOL 2015, you're dreaming.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 03:43:08 -
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Inslander Wessette wrote:Why are we removing mass addition ?
Keep both addition of mass and 4 k speed limit . Agreed -- it was technically possible, with the mass addition, to maybe catch an interceptor. Maybe. If you live in England, have a crapton of scan res, and snort a big ol' line of coke as they jump in. Now interceptors can run around with their <2s align fits and an online entosis link.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:50:37 -
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Warmeister wrote:Sjugar02 wrote: Would you like to explain to the uninformed masses why PL doesn't have or want sov and how this relates to you defending the new sov system?
what makes you think i'm speaking on behalf of PL? also what makes you think that me defending new sov has anything to do with me being in PL or with PL allegedly not having and not wanting sov?
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yfAeMtcURg0/hqdefault.jpg
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Posted - 2015.08.19 14:03:07 -
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Orca Platypus wrote: (and one of two entities in top10 which does not pad their killboard on helpless freighters in hisec) Ladies and men, the ulterior motive. This poster can safely be ignored.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 15:36:13 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Marcus Covinus wrote:It's hilarious to continue to watch groups like MOA chestbeat like an ape about how great the new sov system is when all they do is troll the system with no intention of actually holding any sov.
I too, have noticed that the only people who are happy about this are those who have no intention of ever holding sov, and are only cheering for punitive mechanics against those who do. Why they're even part of the discussion, I do not know. It's pretty telling of the system in general. But CCP never did learn to take into account where feedback is coming from. For me, the really funny part is how literally all of this was foreseen in the first three pages of the entosis announcement, but was ignored in the flood of "grr nullsec" drooling. That's genuinely hilarious. To be fair, we in the community shoulder part of the burden here -- most of the outcry against interceptors was based on the assumption that they'd be able to fit T2 entosis links. Once that became too punitive to work well, we were content to rest on our laurels.
In the future, it's probably important to keep the pressure on in this regard.
Honestly, I'd like to hear some rationalization for interdiction nullification existing at all in TYOOL 2015 from CCP. However, as it would constitute taking a position on something, I doubt this will happen.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.19 16:46:27 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote: There was nothing awesome about sitting in 10% TIDI, clicking your mods over and over again, wondering if they are going to to actually function.
There was nothing awesome about being sitting on a Titan for hours then told that fleet is cancelled yet again because the rallying cry of a certain alliance leader was "no fun allowed"
Considering your corp has only been in an Imperium alliance for 6 months, I call bullshit on this anecdote.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.19 17:09:46 -
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Sentamon wrote:Querns wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote: There was nothing awesome about sitting in 10% TIDI, clicking your mods over and over again, wondering if they are going to to actually function.
There was nothing awesome about being sitting on a Titan for hours then told that fleet is cancelled yet again because the rallying cry of a certain alliance leader was "no fun allowed"
Considering your corp has only been in an Imperium alliance for 6 months, I call bullsh it on this anecdote. I bet you clowns think the sun revolves around you too. I'm not sure I understand the accusation here.
A guy posting on a forum claims that he was part of "weaponized boredom" tactics and didn't get a fight. The Imperium is the most widely-known user of said tactics, and unless specifically qualified, the status quo demands that any mention of "weaponized boredom" automatically means "the Imperium."
However, curiosity leads towards the poster's in-game corporate affiliations, and lo and behold, the poster's corporation has only been in the Initiative for 6 months, which is well past the point where his anecdote could have possibly taken place. As such, the poster is outed as a storyteller and a liar, possibly with an agenda that bears little value to the conversation.
How does what you said and what I'm implying connect?
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:46:50 -
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Icycle wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Icycle wrote:Actually we do it cos we can mostly but also to anoy CFC. Its a distraction and when we dont get blobed we do have fun And we finally arrive to the issue at hand, sov trolling. Thank you for ironically agreeing with the mass opinion. well we will try and take the space in PB if possible, althought its not our primary goal. Its not a secret. I mean if you cant figger that out by yourself... I strongly disagree with holding onto unused space. Thats what drives me personally to entos the systems. I dont think you should hold on on systems out of spite. I have said this over and over before. Its nothing new. Specially when you dont live in it. Pure Blind, unused? Then why are the ADMs so high?
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind#adm
Wishing for something to be true so much that you start believing it is true doesn't actually make it true.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:48:49 -
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Icycle wrote:That and that I dont like the CFC policies What, like the policy where alliances in the Imperium are expected to participate in mutual defense? You know, the thing that MOA failed to do even in a token fashion, leading to their removal from the coalition.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:55:15 -
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Icycle wrote:Querns wrote:Icycle wrote:That and that I dont like the CFC policies What, like the policy where alliances in the Imperium are expected to participate in mutual defense? You know, the thing that MOA failed to do even in a token fashion, leading to their removal from the coalition. Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch. Which is why you joined the then-CFC in the first place.
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:01:03 -
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Icycle wrote:Tallardar wrote:Icycle wrote:I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live. According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting. No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis. Please enlighten us, then GÇö if that doesn't count as "living in a system" then what does?
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Posted - 2015.08.20 02:07:29 -
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Sentamon wrote: Nobody will ever take you on, ever ... unless CCP starts giving out free Titans and someone else wants to run a 50k coalition. A 1v1 with entosis pilots is about the best you can hope for, but you send overwhelming numbers at him too and cant figure out why he runs.
But keep on recruiting and blueing and don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.
I love that the idea that the Imperium's invincibility is so assured that even people who hate the coalition are accepting it as gospel.
It's probably our most successful piece of agitprop ever, and it's at its strongest when the barrier to entry for sov warfare is at its lowest.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:58:38 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Querns wrote:Sentamon wrote: Nobody will ever take you on, ever ... unless CCP starts giving out free Titans and someone else wants to run a 50k coalition. A 1v1 with entosis pilots is about the best you can hope for, but you send overwhelming numbers at him too and cant figure out why he runs.
But keep on recruiting and blueing and don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.
I love that the idea that the Imperium's invincibility is so assured that even people who hate the coalition are accepting it as gospel. It's probably our most successful piece of agitprop ever, and it's at its strongest when the barrier to entry for sov warfare is at its lowest. Being universally despised as an opponent is not exaclty the same as being invincible. Nobody wants to play with you or like you play, we prefer enjoying our lives and computer games. That's the stuff.
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Posted - 2015.08.20 17:42:29 -
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Warmeister wrote: torp bombers your coalition used to grind sov during fountain and halloween wars that could cloak as soon as someone enters local, and that can move via covert cynos.
It astounds me that people are still bitter about siegefleet.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.21 00:35:25 -
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Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote:Warmeister wrote: torp bombers your coalition used to grind sov during fountain and halloween wars that could cloak as soon as someone enters local, and that can move via covert cynos.
It astounds me that people are still bitter about siegefleet. it astounds me that you see bitterness there. i'm just pointing out the obvious. it was the same concept for risk free sov capture as inties are now, and goons jumped on it now that the tables have turned - goons are crying nerf to inties. well done to CCP for ignoring people who asked to nerf bombers (not that i think there were any), keep up the good job ignoring the goon tears now The fact that you considered it "risk free" is where the bitterness originates. Or, to be more specific, that it was used in proxy for the dreadnoughts typically considered for the role, denying anyone in drop range a bunch of free dread kills.
Siegefleet was a marvelous way to reduce risk -- it was not, by any means, risk free. If siegefleet was risk free, then all tactics involving dropping bombers would also carry forth this connotation, and few people bemoan the bomber drop as a risk-free ganking experience.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.21 01:11:32 -
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Warmeister wrote: you are confusing two things here, pvp and contesting undefended systems.
there is a difference between dropping stack of bombers on someone who can shoot back, and dropping them on the structure with no hostile in local. of course it wasn't entirely risk free, i remember us decimating a few of those fleets, when your people got so bored that they probably went afk and stopped watching local.
same thing applies to inties in current sov mechanics. if someone tried to use them to capture sov against a proper fleet, they'd be dead. they only turn into risk free thing when the system they are used in aren't defended.
in your second sentence you outlines the exact reason why you want inties to not be able to entosis - you just want free kills for anyone in the drop range.
as i outlined before, if you are worried about people trolling your sov, changes need to be done to the mechanics so that the structures return to normal state if no one captured the beacons for a certain period of time.
Generally, a few recons take care of the "shooting back" problem.
While I enjoy dropping on nerds as much as the next fat guy, unfortunately fatigue makes this an unwieldy proposition against troll threats. I would struggle to find it even in the same vein as dropping supercapitals on anything in the galaxy at moderate to severe distances. (Not calling out any player group here; we abused the **** out of it as much as anyone else.)
And you are mischaracterizing the goals of the Imperium at large if you think kills are our primary motivating factor. Our primary motivating factor is protecting the empire. To that extent, we would like it so that there is a reasonable chance for malefactors towards our holdings, which we've worked for five years to create, to be caught and punished. Kills intersect nicely here on the account of nearly everyone else in Eve valuing ship kills over sov; this creates the necessary negative reinforcement.
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Posted - 2015.08.21 01:14:27 -
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Warmeister wrote:Plaid Rabbit wrote:It also required a fair amount of effort. Those fleets were 40+ people, instead of 1 guy in a trollceptor. Instead of 5 guys in dreads, it was a swarm of guys in something cheaper, grinding the sov more slowly.
It's about the effort of the attacker. The goons put forth effort (20man/hours per structure or so) to take out a structure. why should taking something that no one needs enough to bother defending it require much effort?
The implication here that we don't need nor could utilize our current holdings is laughable. Check the ADMs across Imperium space; besides the areas currently undergoing sov transfer in "western" (dotlan projection) Pure Blind, everything is well-utilized.
Thank you, sov team, for adding the publicly visible ADMs and timers; they allow for succinct silencing of these sorts of accusations.
e: Also of note is the fact that we ceded a total of five regions leading up to both Phoebe and Aegis. The vaunted Empire Contraction has taken place! We can only tighten the belt so much (goons are fat.)
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Posted - 2015.08.21 01:31:49 -
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Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote: The implication here that we don't need nor could utilize our current holdings is laughable. Check the ADMs across Imperium space; besides the areas currently undergoing sov transfer in "western" (dotlan projection) Pure Blind, everything is well-utilized.
if it's "well utilised" then i'm not sure why we are having this discussion, troll ceptors won't be able to do a thing We actually don't have much problem with them at all -- the only group that actually tries to RF our stuff uses 500mn omens instead.
We're allowed to be proactive with this sort of thing. This is usually the first step in helping the game, and failing the acceptance of our eternal beatitude, abusing the mechanic so hard that change is forced.
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Posted - 2015.08.21 01:39:14 -
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Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote:Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote: The implication here that we don't need nor could utilize our current holdings is laughable. Check the ADMs across Imperium space; besides the areas currently undergoing sov transfer in "western" (dotlan projection) Pure Blind, everything is well-utilized.
if it's "well utilised" then i'm not sure why we are having this discussion, troll ceptors won't be able to do a thing We actually don't have much problem with them at all -- the only group that actually tries to RF our stuff uses 500mn omens instead. We're allowed to be proactive with this sort of thing. This is usually the first step in helping the game, and failing the acceptance of our eternal beatitude, abusing the mechanic so hard that change is forced. to me it sounds like working as intended - utilised space is hard to capture, unused space can be capured by any passer by with entosis link It's more that the current system lacks a way to adequately punish an attacker for their insolence.
Imperium regions are not typical of Eve at large. Our largest defensive structure is our reputation.
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.21 02:13:34 -
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Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote: It's more that the current system lacks a way to adequately punish an attacker for their insolence. .
i feel that the punishment of sov owner for failing to defend outweighs that. attacker owns nothing, defender owns a chunk of space. he shouldn't take his ownership for granted. Wanting to affect negative reinforcement in your aggressors is in no way "taking ownership for granted."
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Posted - 2015.08.21 02:27:55 -
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Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote:Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote: It's more that the current system lacks a way to adequately punish an attacker for their insolence. .
i feel that the punishment of sov owner for failing to defend outweighs that. attacker owns nothing, defender owns a chunk of space. he shouldn't take his ownership for granted. Wanting to affect negative reinforcement in your aggressors is in no way "taking ownership for granted." you have a perfect avenue for negative reinforcement. use all your titans and supers to hell camp every station they are based in so the only thing they can fly out is an inty. purchase all the inties in those stations and relist for 10 times the price. be inventive, use the vast resources you control. if they move, keep moving after them until they roll over You're still approaching this conversation with an Imperium-focused bent. Why?
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.08.21 02:34:10 -
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Warmeister wrote:Querns wrote: You're still approaching this conversation with an Imperium-focused bent. Why?
because you are pretty much the only ones complaining in this thread We're goons -- we live to post. Posting is what we do.
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Posted - 2015.08.21 04:14:32 -
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Harry Saq wrote: ...noted, I will be sure to have my lunch money on hand too...that wasted troll aside, this will prove the point of FozzieSov. You can enjoy your journey across the universe to poop and pee all over other's space, then leave and thump your chest and watch everybody move right back in. Unless you plan on actually moving into those systems, your pomp and circumstance will just be noise. We all know they aren't done iterating on sov and making null livable/defense worthy. Until that happens this is just an exercise in anti-boredom narrative building.
I guess ihubs don't have value or utility where you live.
Quote: The mega coalition concept and meta is obsolete
This is false.
Quote: I am no believer in CCPs ability to do things well, timely or remotely correctly, but they atleast nailed the concept and vision part, no matter how it plays out, a successful (or even moderately failed) execution of mechanics and improvements toward that vision would (and should) render organizations larger than alliances completely unnecessary.
Why are large organizations unnecessary? Hell, your corp used to be in the Imperium four months ago.
Quote: Entosis modules should absolutely be able to be on anything; ceptors fitted with them can just as well capture an uncontested command node event for an attacker OR defender, and absolutely should be used in this way. Decay back to ownership is retrograde thinking, and goes counter to the point of alliances owning and renewing claim to their space as a basic responsibility. Forcing entosis modules on large slow ships is the argument of a disingenuous empire builder wanting to make it harder to hit empty space.
Finally, those crying for killmails on entoasted structures due to some presupposed purity of Eve are also being disingenuous. They want the killmails so they can flaunt what they destroyed for general griefing/aka "narrative" building and anti-boredom nose rubbing incentive. Killmails are a sov trolling incentive vs an actual necessary output for basic sov takeover. So all those scream crying about troll-ceptors and begging for killmails are arguing both sides of the "sov trolling" concept only to a comfortable n+1 end. This is made clear when you put those arguments (Entosis on BC and above + killmails for toasting) together, and reveal the real desire to maintain the n+1 design that they theoretically loath, and only reluctantly do to teach CCP a lesson. It's quite silly, obvious and transparent.
Maybe it isn't disingenuous, sinister or driven by motive....maybe they just don't know any better...whatever the reason, the outcome is the same, and we have been living that outcome for years...however, I believe the tough guy threat against me above, also helps make clear where the priority in mentality lies. That is, I want to gang up on people smaller and feel powerful while flaunting phat killmails vs actually acknowledging compelling game design that allows for more individualized skill and meaningful group (large and small) gameplay...but what the hell do I know, I am just in one of those small alliances that has been actively participating in the new mechanics on a day to day basis...
It's pretty clear that your opinions are driven by whatever the Imperium's aren't. I should probably be careful how I use the words "bleach" and "drink" henceforth.
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Posted - 2015.08.21 04:17:36 -
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I will however admit publicly to a great deal of amusement in the fact that Aegis failed to "kill" or even "moderately annoy" the Imperium.
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Posted - 2015.08.21 04:18:55 -
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Has anyone even tried to make a Deklein timer? Or have we SNIPED any attempts?
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Posted - 2015.08.21 18:14:26 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Querns wrote:I will however admit publicly to a great deal of amusement in the fact that Aegis failed to "kill" or even "moderately annoy" the Imperium. And yet here you all are moaning I can think current interceptor gameplay is out of band and still not be greatly affected by them, as an organization.
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:44:07 -
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The "just undock a griffin for the interceptor" talking point is getting frayed and tired. Please let it rest.
The issue has always been catching and killing the interceptor before it can do anything. Its immunity to warp interdiction and its sub-two-second align time (now possible with the link online post-Galatea!) means that a form of defense that should be valid in defense of your space is not -- the humble gatecamp.
Without this, sov defense, by necessity, is a goose chase against the swiftest ships in the game, at both sub- and faster-than-light speeds.
Remove interdiction nullification from all ships. Failing that, please reinstate the mass penalty and make it apply if the link is offline or online.
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Posted - 2015.08.23 04:13:26 -
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Orca Platypus wrote: The gate camp is perfectly valid form of defense, which is supposed to have at least one weakness, because game design and stuff, you know, tradeoffs, meaningful decisions...
It has weaknesses in the form of bridging and wormholes. A competent covops pilot can worm his way past a gatecamp, and light a covert cyno to bring in his buddies.
However, the covops pilot actually has to have some skill to get out of a gatecamp. Thus, the piloting skill of the defenders and attackers are pitted against each other.
Again, please stop hammering that talking point again and again and again. It's thoroughly debunked and not doing you any favors.
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:03:44 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:Bunch of bullshit as usual. Querns wrote:It has weaknesses in the form of bridging and wormholes. A competent covops pilot can worm his way past a gatecamp, and light a covert cyno to bring in his buddies. However, the covops pilot actually has to have some skill to get out of a gatecamp. Thus, the piloting skill of the defenders and attackers are pitted against each other. With a titan gatecamp, there is no worming. There is no skill other than putting this space sausage on the gate. And you perfectly know there are other ways for a perfect gatecamp. So no, those are the "remove gates" tears, and nothing more. These are patently false. Titan gatecamps can be escaped, and there is no such thing as a perfect gatecamp.
Quote:Querns wrote:Again, please stop hammering that talking point again and again and again. It's thoroughly debunked and not doing you any favors. It has been bunked as very efficient solution. Just because you are too bad, lazy and self-entitled to do it doesn't mean it's any less credible. So now it's our fault for not using interceptors? Huh?
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Posted - 2015.08.24 02:36:05 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:dominionfag Ah yes, we're at this level of discourse now.
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