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bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 16:58:32 -
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What in the hell goes 4km/s besides an interceptor? So since someone decides to come troll sov in a single ship we have to bring multiple ships including boosters? Why do ships need to move to capture something anyway??
Entosis links should make you park your ass right where you started the process, like you lit a cyno. This will generate those ~gud fites~ you are wanting, forcing people to bring more ships for reinforcement/reps and creating a single point for a battle.
There was a story of a game in which the developers didn't listen to their consumers. The players offered helpful feedback and solutions to problems the game had given rise to. The devs didn't listen, and by the time they finally realized "oh wait, they are the people that bring our revenue!" it was too late. That game was Diablo 3. Don't be a Diablo 3. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:02:59 -
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Icycle wrote: ~irrelevent hurf blurf~ 
Does MOA own sov? No. Does MOA plan on owning sov? No. Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No. Is this thread about sov? Yes.
Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:22:14 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:
CCP, let me make this clear. Everyone who has skin in sov null has said the exact same thing many many times already any yet you still seem to be focused on what you perceive as the problem and not what we are telling you is the problem.
This. This needs to be repetitively copied and pasted throughout the thread.
Nasar Vyron wrote:To that, I do recognize and greatly appreciate the reduction in rf capture timers as that was one of the complaints brought up.
...and this too I guess. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:35:40 -
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Icycle wrote:Actually we do it cos we can mostly but also to anoy CFC. Its a distraction and when we dont get blobed we do have fun 
And we finally arrive to the issue at hand, sov trolling. Thank you for ironically agreeing with the mass opinion. |

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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:43:50 -
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MASSADEATH wrote:Reagalan wrote:Won't do jack **** to a system that is fundamentally and critically flawed and unsalvageable.
Until you get off of this "small gang" and "local conflict" soapbox the decline of Eve will continue. We didn't sign up for small gang impermanent bullshit and we detest your attempts to force this playstyle upon us. More goon BLOB ... just as we start actually taking CFC systems... we have 3 under control now Y-C3EQ 7RM-N0 GA-P6C the biggest advantage we have SPEED is taken away.... so they can just roll BLOBS onto the grid. BLOB BLOB BLOB.... back to n+1 fighting Instead of MOA whining ...we are going to ADAPT (like the big blocs should do) and try our best. IMO however this is a mistake , only a few weeks of this system has been in place and its already being changed to suit the power bloc whiners.
Do you guys seriously think we can't just fit a bunch of trollceptors ourselves and do the same? Just imagine our ~blobs~, except instead of feroxes or domis (or whatever the flavor of the month is) it's trollceptors. We could literally form one single fleet and take an entire region in a day, much less these three systems. In order to effectively illustrate how this is broken, I guess it needs to happen. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 18:55:43 -
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Icycle wrote:Do you seriosuly think we will be chasing a 50K alliance?  You know what, we might do it for the laugh. After we do kill a LOT of CFC..
I bet if you put 50,000 fish in a single pond, you'll catch one. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:16:51 -
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Icycle wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Icycle wrote:To me its nothing to do with Gevlon. Cool. You're still his *****, at least he certainly seems to think so(as do your leadership, who is more than happy to do his bidding), which puts the lie to your anti authority rant a while ago. Nope. You are wrong. The other day there was an entosis fleet and I joined, then there was a second one. Instead I joined other guys to do pvp. I pick and chose to what I am in the mood for.
So instead of doing a single thing your were told to do, you had the choice of choosing from two things you were told to do? No matter how many different way or different things you are told to do, you are still doing something you were told to do. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:26:07 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote: CCP, let me make this clear. Everyone who has skin in sov null has said the exact same thing many many times already any yet you still seem to be focused on what you percieve as the problem and not what we are telling you is the problem.
I just wanted to re-post this quote again, I think it's a great tl;dr of everything. |

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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:38:37 -
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Icycle wrote:Frantically if i did not like the guy I would have left....
I do not believe that is the word you are looking for. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 20:09:41 -
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Hey Fozzie, I got an idea (to get back on topic) -
Since you guys are all hyped up about these new 'ship skins' and what not, make skins a blue print. Once you purchase the blueprint, you have to manufacture it. Now you have to introduce a new resource into the game - throw it in nullsec and TA DA! you just created new rewarding content for sov. You could even make certain style/category skins regionally exclusive.
Also, I am a firm believe that Entosis links should work like a cyno, siege, triage etc. and restrain all movement but allow reps, all modules, you can even let your interceptors fit them. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.19 23:31:40 -
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Wilhelm Knicklicht wrote:TL;DR: fozziesov not attractive for the average goon member who just wants to get fleetwarped and press F1.
system working as intended.
The entirety of null sec is not goon, there are many other entities.
CCP please just listen to the games elected representatives on the CSM. They represent the overall feelings represented by your game's community. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 13:29:20 -
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The issue isn't all of FozzieSov, a majority of us like the concept. It needs work, however.
Zipping around at 4 km/s, in an interceptor, and clicking a button should not in any way give you ownership in null sec sovereignty. Sovereignty should be fought over and influence a push of assets by group A versus current sov citizens group B. If an entity wants to take space, they need to dedicate themselves to it, not send a lone interceptor with the belief "If you don't get it now, just go back and try again in a little bit. They will eventually get tired of responding."
Another issue is there needs to be some form of shooting something, but I believe that will be addressed with the citadels patch.
I am willing to bet once people start entosis'ing things in ships cruiser size and up you will see some fights start developing.
Also please ignore the MoA trolling (and obvious alts), they use to be in CFC and are just mad at us for kicking them from the pack. Try and stay on topic. |

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Posted - 2015.08.20 14:04:51 -
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Warmeister wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: How long would you tolerate a kid playing ding dong ditch at your door?
You can't unplug the door bell (they will just knock instead) but if you decide to ignore them, they get to own a room in your house.
very good analogy. you have a choice. you either come to kids house and make sure he never does it again, or hire someone to stand in front of the door. or stand behind the door so you can punch the kid in the face as soon as he does it. or you can ignore it and let the kid occupy couple of your rooms. choice is entirely yours. one thing you most certainly can't to is ask god to prevent kids from ringing doorbells. well you can, but the response will be silence and laughs from those around you
Is this a subliminal "Hire PL today!" pitch I see?
That was a pretty funny yet accurate analogy by Frosty though hah. For arguments sake, imagine this kid lives in government owned orphanage housing and only goes out with his Harry Potter invisibility cloak and Nimbus 2000. So when you go to respond he either A. disappears from sight or B. zips away at blazing speeds so nothing can really be done about it. You also can't really do anything about his current living situation because it's government property. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 14:15:45 -
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Warmeister wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote: Is this a subliminal "Hire PL today!" pitch I see?
That was a pretty funny yet accurate analogy by Frosty though hah. For arguments sake, imagine this kid lives in government owned orphanage housing and only goes out with his Harry Potter invisibility cloak and Nimbus 2000. So when you go to respond he either A. disappears from sight or B. zips away at blazing speeds so nothing can really be done about it. You also can't really do anything about his current living situation because it's government property.
like i said - hire someone to stand in front of the door. or create a roster for people in your household to stand in front of the door. plenty of people are AFK cloaking in other people's systems to disrupt activities of carebears. you need to do the same in your own systems and trolling ceptors won't be a thing anymore. or you could actually live in your systems, how's that for a novel idea?
Do you guys live in every system you have an r64 in? |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 15:30:01 -
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afkalt wrote: Or maybe you think machs, T3s and HACs on field is non-committal nano-nonsense, /shrug. If that's the case, I can't help you.
Jesus was this your first big fight in EVE Online: A Spaceship Game ? You keep harping on this one single conflict. Single. As in a value of one. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 15:33:04 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: The biggest reason why the high-sec candidates rarely make it is mostly because the vote they rely on is diluted on so many different candidate instead of being concentrated. Nobody is able to rally their vote under a single or few banners.
That and a large majority of people in highsec are nullsec alts. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 15:38:42 -
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afkalt wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote:afkalt wrote: Or maybe you think machs, T3s and HACs on field is non-committal nano-nonsense, /shrug. If that's the case, I can't help you.
Jesus was this your first big fight in EVE Online: A Spaceship Game ? You keep harping on this one single conflict. Single. As in a value of one. Do you have another example of a seriously contested timer? I don't. Again, not a mechanic fault (how many were contested in the 6 weeks prior to it going live?) but a far different problem. Do you have examples of serious sov being contested with just small ships? Thought not.
What? So your original argument is that there are ~gud fights~ from new sov system by sharing one example of proof concerning some t3s and machs. Now you are saying you can't find another example, after I pointed out that is only one example, thus disproving your original comment.
No, I do not have examples because there are none, supporting my initial views on the subject matter that the new system is not promoting group conflict. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 15:51:52 -
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Ok, so I think I kinda understand you?
You actually agree with us that the Entosis link on interceptors is dumb because no one seriously takes sov with an interceptor(s).
You further go on to agree with a more unrelated, but relevant, opinion of the masses that nullsec needs value added to provide reason for taking sov in the first place.
Got it. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 17:22:59 -
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Dracvlad wrote: A lot of words
Wait wait wait.... IRC is complaining about the use of capitals and having peace agreements with other entities?
I'm pretty sure you guys got too greedy and wanted more space and got punched for it. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 17:38:48 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
~Previous Rebuttals~
The good news is that your ability to project your fun on others which is not fun to them is curtailed, before you could sit behind the huge EHP and super / titan superiority and go anywhere in Eve without a care to look for fights.
You are missing what we are saying here, we like the new fozzie sov system. It just needs tweaks and details ironed out i.e. an interceptor being able to solo a whole constellation, regardless if anyone is defending or not.
Regarding your super capitals comment, I am pretty sure it was us who lead the pack in reducing the effectiveness of "super blobs". We realized how invulnerable groups can be with massive super capital blobs and felt as if it could present unfair advantages. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.20 19:23:32 -
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Harry Saq wrote:Don't listen to all the noise Team 5-0, stick to your vision and focus on making individual systems worth having and maintaining. Also, you may want to get ahead of the curve a bit and reduce the costs of ihubs and upgrades, those are a hangover of the old system and need to be more in line with the new concepts of smaller groups being able to setup shop, get blasted out and try try again.
We are focused on Providence, but for you, we can make an exception. Those 6 systems you just recently acquired in Catch look nice. I'll be sure to notify your alliance, when they lose their sov, that we only eyed this area because of your posting. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.21 13:11:30 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Querns wrote:I will however admit publicly to a great deal of amusement in the fact that Aegis failed to "kill" or even "moderately annoy" the Imperium. And yet here you all are moaning
No, it is only 4 or so of us. It's not like we are burning Jita or something along those lines in protest.
We are simply highlighting a flaw in the Entosis Linking system (interceptors) that can be exploited. Other than MOA picking at systems in pure blind, no one has really utilized this, yet. I want people to think ahead into the future. One 300 man gang, all interceptors, deployed to every system in a single region. It is impossible to react to all of those in an effective manner. If you manage to scare some off, they can come right back and do it again because they escaped. Now imagine this consistently happening over a week's period, sounds like fun stuff right? No.
Stop grr gooning and think logically about the situation. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.21 14:15:15 -
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afkalt wrote: Let's assume you get to the node event, it is a race to capture them. Provi will take a node in 4 minutes, attackers will take 24 minutes. You're in a race with people tagging objectives SIX times faster than you.
Speaking hypothetically regarding a node event and an attacking force consisting of 300 troll ceptors (as I stated a few comments back):
That gang just Entosis'd every system in a region, and let's say they had a ~50% success rate. Now the nodes pop up - the defenders can only focus on so many nodes at one time. The attackers send one troll ceptor to each node for each system. Can you see where I am going with this? I do not feel like having to type out every cause/effect that would result. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.21 14:30:08 -
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afkalt wrote: e: I wager should you have bothered, you could have steamrollered provi in dominion sov a hell of a lot faster than you'll ever manage in Aegis.
No. Taking sov in dominion requires immense mobilization, large numbers and dps, grinding that lasts for days etc. With this new system it is completely feasible to fit out a gang of interceptors, fly from one side of the galazy to the other in an hours time (or less), RF everything, and be home in time for dinner. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.21 17:12:51 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote: Please do not forget that I am also part of a sov holding alliance. So far, I have been able to deal with the ceptors that came to our space. Most of them, however, were accompanied by a proper fleet.
I guess we should fit a bunch of ishtars with Entosis links then yeah? |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.21 18:14:51 -
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Harry Saq wrote: rabble rabble
You are missing the point of what people are highlighting as the issue. The issue is not FozzieSov itsself, with some tweaks and fine tuning the system can work great. What the problem is, and stated countless times previously, the ability to harass/troll sovereignty with no risk/punishment mechanism. |

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Posted - 2015.08.21 18:35:24 -
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Harry Saq wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote:Harry Saq wrote: rabble rabble You are missing the point of what people are highlighting as the issue. The issue is not FozzieSov itsself, with some tweaks and fine tuning the system can work great. What the problem is, and stated countless times previously, the ability to harass/troll sovereignty with no risk/punishment mechanism. The point is, it's all about server lag, spreading people out, and still managing to make it worthwhile and fun. The harassment argument is based on a false premise of large holdings, which begs still more sticks, maybe still smaller and smaller, but sticks they will be.
What false premise? What 'sticks' and what are sticks? Where in this thread are we talking about "We want more lag fests!" ? |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.22 04:20:11 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:bigbillthaboss3 wrote:afkalt wrote: Let's assume you get to the node event, it is a race to capture them. Provi will take a node in 4 minutes, attackers will take 24 minutes. You're in a race with people tagging objectives SIX times faster than you.
Speaking hypothetically regarding a node event and an attacking force consisting of 300 troll ceptors (as I stated a few comments back): That gang just Entosis'd every system in a region, and let's say they had a ~50% success rate. Now the nodes pop up - the defenders can only focus on so many nodes at one time. The attackers send one troll ceptor to each node for each system. Can you see where I am going with this? I do not feel like having to type out every cause/effect that would result. Because it is too hard to respond with a single Kitsune per system. Now it doesn't matter if they have 300 trollceptors. You just have to break more locks per entosis cycle than they have trollceptors. One Kitsune can easily serve ECM dish to 10+ trollceptors without trying. Takes gewns to keep crying about it though, because getting one Kitsune per system is apparently too much to ask from a 40k accounts coalition. CCP stay strong and roll back the 4k limit. Trollceptors are only a problem for people who bit more than they can chew, don't enable them. Any system occupied with a non-bot capable of undocking... hell, even Procurer can deal with Trollceptor, so basically anything goes - is immune to trollceptor.
Ok so you somehow manage to get an 'x' amount of players to fit out and fly Kitsunes, great first leap. So you manage to get said Kitsunes to attacked system, great second step. Now you jam out one interceptor... what happens next? You break the lock and move to the next one? Once you move to the next one the previous interceptor has started his Entosis back up. How long is this going to last, ping ponging back and forth between attackers? Answer: Not long before a couple decide to gang up and remove you from the equation. Also, there are some mid slots on those interceptors that probably wouldn't be bad for fitting ECCM.
Back to the drawing board, sir. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.22 07:09:47 -
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Orca Platypus wrote: I am super smart at spaceships
Because everyone has caldari frigate lvl 5 + electronic attack frigate + ewar skills right?
No. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:55:17 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Counting the gewn tears in this thread... nah mostly gewns.  Orca Platypus wrote:I'm actually involved in holding sov over ONE constellation Bull. You're posting on an NPC character, therefore you are an NPC player. You want to be taken seriously in sov discussions? Great! Post with your main. Thus actually being knowledgeable in entosis mechanics and warfare was gewned over by the way I choose to post. Demagogy, Lucas, demagogy. Please do better 1/10.
He's an alt of the Blades of Grass alliance who just snipped 6 open systems in Catch.
All I have to say to the people disagreeing with the idea trollceptors are bad is don't get upset when your entire region disappears over a week period to fleets of these ships. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.23 06:07:04 -
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Orca's posting is analogous to the trollceptor, consistent in coming in to annoy and accomplish nothing, then quickly escaping when attention is given (in his case to an NPC corp). |

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Posted - 2015.08.24 16:15:20 -
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Hendrink Collie wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec, please listen to Mitten's recording and then think about what you just said. Then return and edit your post with your conclusion. I was there and I'm looking forwards to once again forcing CCP to deal with a broken mechanic by using said mechanic to put another region to the torch. Meh, when you have a 40k coalition, it is not hard to make anything look broken. I'm just looking forward to more cry post six months from now about lack of content because of that one mega-coalition can't find any sustainable conflict drivers since the remnants of null sec are a bunch of small groups like CCP planned. Maybe at some point the Imperium will cease because the only targets will be themselves... or yeah, perhaps not. Will be fun to watch as the lack of content generation continues to take its toll. But hey, at least there is a week in Providence, amirite?
You do realize there are other coalitions besides us right? Here is a visual: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/coalitionsov/Coalitioninfluence.png
The only reason Imperium looks so big on the map is because Branch & Deklein highlighted areas extend past the normal boundaries. |

bigbillthaboss3
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Posted - 2015.08.24 17:27:40 -
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Let me clarify: we have almost 2/5 of EVE's ratting alts. |

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Posted - 2015.08.25 13:07:53 -
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I do like the idea of battlecruisers / command ships getting a bonus to using the Entosis Link.
Also thanks for the info on 'hiding posts', no more Orca rabblings in the thread. Now everyone just needs to stop quoting his trolling. |

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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:30:09 -
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Congratulations on finding 4 interceptor losses out of the literal hundreds we have thrown out to Entosis. In other words "Trollceptors aren't a problem! They can be killed ~2% of the time!"
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:56:29 -
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Half of those aren't even trollceptor fits. Also you don't know how they were killed / where they were killed, quite possible they were sitting afk somewhere not paying attention.
The Imperium only has around 2000< people or so in Provi so your number reasoning is a bit unjustified.
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Posted - 2015.08.26 02:42:03 -
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Shun Makoto wrote:If you want examples of how this Sov Mechanic is being used just look to Providence. 50+ man trollceptor fleets rolling around capturing everything in sight. I logged in today with 355 notifications about captured services. Within 3-5 hours I had at least another 100.
Well, we tried to warn everyone about this.
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:11:06 -
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Warmeister wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:For the bilionth time, if entosis is to represent peopel controling the grid, allow it only on ships that peopel woudl only get to that place if they really control the grid, like battlecruisers and battleships taht are stoo slow to evade all type of conflict and just go troll someone without any control of any grid.
why should someone be disallowed the chance to entosis something if they control the grid in an inty? you are not gonna suggest that someone can entosis the structure in an inty when the defender controls the grid, are you?
No one controls the grid in an interceptor. At best you are the running back for an NFL team running circles around some fat kid with unlimited stamina.
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:05:42 -
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Harry Saq wrote: stuff i didn't read
That's the 3rd, 4th, or 5th time you have linked ~coalition numbers~. I want you to know that every time you bring up numbers your post gets completely overlooked and is assumed to be nothing of importance.
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