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Jeremy Ironforge
White syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.09 07:48:00 -
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Why Incursus has the lowest base CPU of all fighting frigs?
Can't fit proper T2 equip w/o Electronics V
Why Hyperion has the lowest PG of all Tier3 BS's?
Can't fit proper dual rep, dual booster fit with Neutrons II even if ALL5 char. Both Abaddon and Maelstorm can but don't have bonuses... :facepalm:
Why Myrm has 75 Mbs bandwith?
Surely 3 heavy drones is what newbies dream of when train for Gall cruisers instead of Drake(( |
Mona X
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.12.09 08:38:00 -
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Jeremy Ironforge wrote:
Why Myrm has 75 Mbs bandwith?
Surely 3 heavy drones is what newbies dream of when train for Gall cruisers instead of Drake((
Try fit 3 Siege Launchers on Drake then.
I need new signature. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.09 08:52:00 -
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Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Why Incursus has the lowest base CPU of all fighting frigs?
So it is that and not the 2 slots less it gets from the other 3 Combat Frigs. Don't worry it gets a Drone.
Incursus 8 slots, Rifter 10.
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Jeremy Ironforge
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Posted - 2011.12.09 09:48:00 -
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Yeah 3 heavy drones equal to 3 sige launchers)) After how many SP in drones?
I'm fine with slot loadout, the inability to fill them with core modules without trainning a skill I don't need asap into perfection is what pisses me. |
Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.12.09 10:00:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Why Incursus has the lowest base CPU of all fighting frigs?
So it is that and not the 2 slots less it gets from the other 3 Combat Frigs. Don't worry it gets a Drone. Incursus 8 slots, Rifter 10.
The incursus isn't the gallentes counterpart of the rifter, the tristan is. and the tristas 10 slots like the rifter.
The incursus is the gall counterpart to breacher, inquisitor and kestrel, even though it's not a missile boat. |
Imooo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.09 10:12:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Why Incursus has the lowest base CPU of all fighting frigs?
So it is that and not the 2 slots less it gets from the other 3 Combat Frigs. Don't worry it gets a Drone. Incursus 8 slots, Rifter 10.
Doesn't matter what the discussion is about, you can bet on Alara to turn it about how OP Minmatar is. And as usually with no concern about the facts. Incursus is not the Gallente counterpart to Rifter so it's only logical it has fewer slots, idiot. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.12.09 10:35:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:
The incursus isn't the gallentes counterpart of the rifter, the tristan is. and the tristas 10 slots like the rifter.
The incursus is the gall counterpart to breacher, inquisitor and kestrel, even though it's not a missile boat.
Huh so it is. Wierd I missed that since I fly Tristans more then any other Frigate... =/
Missile slots threw me for a loop.
Imooo wrote:
Doesn't matter what the discussion is about, you can always bet on Alara to turn it about how OP Minmatar is.
 Not in the least.
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Jeremy Ironforge
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Posted - 2011.12.09 10:36:00 -
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Oh why then assualts use Incursus' hull and SBombers use Tristan's? |
mkjkgkvk Melkan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.09 10:45:00 -
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Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Oh why then assualts use Incursus' hull and SBombers use Tristan's?
drone bay |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.09 10:55:00 -
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mkjkgkvk Melkan wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Oh why then assualts use Incursus' hull and SBombers use Tristan's? drone bay
They both have a 5m3 Drone Bay.
I would guess it was an aesthetic choice.
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m0cking bird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.09 11:24:00 -
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Well, since you'll be mostly engaging battle-cruisers and lower in a Hyperion for the most part. Lowest tier blaster are superior. Being able to track your target is very important I'm told, which is kinda why the Dominix is superior solo. At-least compared to the Megathron and Hyperion.
I'm not sure the Myrmidon needs to be able to field more heavy drones, without making it overpowered. Although, damage output is a weakness of that ship.
Incursus with better defensive capability, power-grid and Cpu. Would most likely become a very serious threat to a Merlin, Rifter, Tristan. Ships that are of higher tier. Does not make sense with the current tier system and yeah. The Tristan is better with less of the issues you're on about. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.12.09 11:38:00 -
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m0cking bird wrote:
Incursus with better defensive capability, power-grid and Cpu. Would most likely become a very serious threat to a Merlin, Rifter, Tristan. Ships that are of higher tier.
Incursus, Kestrel, Breacher and Inquisitor are also Tier 3 Frigates.
T1 Ceptors and Miners are Tier 1
Ewar Frigs and Probers are Tier 2
Missiles and T1 Assaults are Tier 3 |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.12.09 13:53:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:mkjkgkvk Melkan wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Oh why then assualts use Incursus' hull and SBombers use Tristan's? drone bay They both have a 5m3 Drone Bay. I would guess it was an aesthetic choice.
no, it's the pointy stick.
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.09 15:44:00 -
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Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Why Myrm has 75 Mbs bandwith?
Way back when, the myrmidon could field 5 heavy drones, this combined with it's extremely flexible fitting abilities made it Op and to offset that CCP gave it one less fitting slot.
Then the bandwidth nerf came calling and CCP forgot all about the slot they purposely left off the myrm.
So CCP now needs to be told as many times as it takes to make them realize that the myrm either needs it's missing fitting slot (along with pg and cpu to use it) or more bandwidth and dronebay space (preferably both). |
Jeremy Ironforge
White syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.11 02:57:00 -
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^ Wow didn't know the whole dramma of it. Now it's even more unfair. |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
Sk33t Fl33t
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Posted - 2011.12.11 04:50:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:mkjkgkvk Melkan wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Oh why then assualts use Incursus' hull and SBombers use Tristan's? drone bay They both have a 5m3 Drone Bay. I would guess it was an aesthetic choice. no, it's the pointy stick.
With the Holiday season I always think of the Festivus pole when I jump into an Incursus hull. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.12.11 05:49:00 -
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Oh, oh, oh - since we're complaining about old nerfs: they nerfed the Helios to hell and back.
:(
-Liang
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vorneus
Hub2
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Posted - 2011.12.11 11:47:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Why Myrm has 75 Mbs bandwith? Way back when, the myrmidon could field 5 heavy drones, this combined with it's extremely flexible fitting abilities made it Op and to offset that CCP gave it one less fitting slot. Then the bandwidth nerf came calling and CCP forgot all about the slot they purposely left off the myrm. So CCP now needs to be told as many times as it takes to make them realize that the myrm either needs it's missing fitting slot (along with pg and cpu to use it) or more bandwidth and dronebay space (preferably both).
Indeed. This double nerf was rather unfortunate.
The first one was warranted and deliberate, the second accidental and most consider it unfair. I'm not of the school who thinks the Myrm is a terrible ship, but it could certainly do with 100 bandwidth rather than 75, or an extra slot.
-Ed |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.11 12:27:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Oh, oh, oh - since we're complaining about old nerfs: they nerfed the Helios to hell and back.
:(
-Liang
This. Hard. To the face.
The Creodron T2 Malus hull that used to be the Helios was one of the best looking ships in game.
The current Imicus based one looks terrible, but so does the Imicus hull in general. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:25:00 -
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Fly a Keres if looks are more important to you than function.
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kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:42:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Oh, oh, oh - since we're complaining about old nerfs: they nerfed the Helios to hell and back.
:(
-Liang
Damn Helios
It's not enough that it's by far the worst CovOps, they had to go change the model as well. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:12:00 -
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Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Why Incursus has the lowest base CPU of all fighting frigs?
Can't fit proper T2 equip w/o Electronics V
Why Hyperion has the lowest PG of all Tier3 BS's?
Can't fit proper dual rep, dual booster fit with Neutrons II even if ALL5 char. Both Abaddon and Maelstorm can but don't have bonuses... :facepalm:
Why Myrm has 75 Mbs bandwith?
Surely 3 heavy drones is what newbies dream of when train for Gall cruisers instead of Drake((
Try flying Amarr ships and feel the pain fitting them then QQ here.
Since new patch gallente aren't the worst race (if they ever were).
Right now it is Minmatar -> Gallente --> Amarr.
I don't feed the trolls. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.12.11 18:00:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Fly a Keres if looks are more important to you than function.
Why choose when you used to have both?
-Liang
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.11 19:25:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Since new patch gallente aren't the worst race (if they ever were).
Right now it is Minmatar -> Gallente --> Amarr.
You were already doing something wrong before the expansion, because after expansion Gallente are all you want but balanced. Yes they have some more pg free (not cap recharge) some more tracking and....???
Funny, the most dangerous new Tiers 3 BC is not the gallente one but well the Oracle.
You're still doing it wrong.
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Jeremy Ironforge
White syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:09:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:Why Incursus has the lowest base CPU of all fighting frigs?
Can't fit proper T2 equip w/o Electronics V
Why Hyperion has the lowest PG of all Tier3 BS's?
Can't fit proper dual rep, dual booster fit with Neutrons II even if ALL5 char. Both Abaddon and Maelstorm can but don't have bonuses... :facepalm:
Why Myrm has 75 Mbs bandwith?
Surely 3 heavy drones is what newbies dream of when train for Gall cruisers instead of Drake(( Try flying Amarr ships and feel the pain fitting them then QQ here. Since new patch gallente aren't the worst race (if they ever were). Right now it is Minmatar -> Gallente --> Amarr.
I fit my Punisher with Autocannons and 400mm Plates to punish those pesky Rifters. ^_^
Also what is so difficult fitting a blob Harbinger? Everything sticks pretty well so I don't see a point in your post. |
Opertone
Signal 7
The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:39:00 -
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back in the days Gallente were overpowering.
Myrmidon could do 3 km/s, 5 heavy drones tracked like mediums, capacitor vampire NOSF sucked enemies dry, dual rep tank, dual 90% webs. Drakes were laughable, easy pick on noobs with no PvP skills, Myrmidons raped them here and there.
Guess this is why all that goodness got nerfed. Also back in this times, gallente sensor damps were number one choice for PvP. Very effective.
Guess it's the Caldari whine that got us where we are now. Whining on forums, delightful pastime.
Back to the lore - gallente had speed and tanks, brutally charged weapons, but were short of CPU by design, their ships weren't meant for electronics. Meanwhile Caldari were meant to use high tech equipment which uses way less grid, but is CPU intensive, including e-war, scanners, countermeasures. All of it, of course, was nerfed to oblivion and now we only have classic tank and gank.
More armor - more damage. things such as defenders, damps, tracking disruptors smart bombs are oddities and barely have any use in HAC/BS fleets. |
Jeremy Ironforge
White syndicate
R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:45:00 -
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^ Yeah that lore is cool but In my honest opinion it is a gamedesign flaw that I can't fit a T1 Frigate at its best without training a skill that I don't need ASAP for 4 days OR buying a +4% CPU implant. Later in the game when all of these problems will be irrelevant I'll just sit in an Ishkur or Taranis and forget about Incursus :( |
Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:53:00 -
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Here's another little Gallente gripe... Why the hell do sleek Gallente ships have such massive signatures (the biggest of all the races), while raggedy-ass Minmatar ships with bits sticking out at all angles have the smallest sigs?
Don't believe me? An armour-tanked Brutix has a bigger sig radius than a shield tanked and rigged Hurricane. That's just not right.
Winmatar strikes again. |
Opertone
Signal 7
The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:44:00 -
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Jeremy Ironforge wrote:^ Yeah that lore is cool but In my honest opinion it is a gamedesign flaw that I can't fit a T1 Frigate at its best without training a skill that I don't need ASAP for 4 days OR buying a +4% CPU implant. Later in the game when all of these problems will be irrelevant I'll just sit in an Ishkur or Taranis and forget about Incursus :(
remember that in classic client gallente used to come in Q *** r shape and colors. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:03:00 -
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Opertone wrote:back in the days Gallente were overpowering.
Myrmidon could do 3 km/s, 5 heavy drones tracked like mediums, capacitor vampire NOSF sucked enemies dry, dual rep tank, dual 90% webs. Drakes were laughable, easy pick on noobs with no PvP skills, Myrmidons raped them here and there.
Guess this is why all that goodness got nerfed. Also back in this times, gallente sensor damps were number one choice for PvP. Very effective.
LOL - even back then the Drake was dramatically superior to the Myrm. You seem to have forgotten that the Drake had the shield recharge of a cruiser and could easily line out a 2-3k DPS passive tank with virtually no invested skills. Furthermore, it had all the advantages that it does today.
The Drake had a better Tank/Gank ratio then, it does now, and it will continue to do so. It has always been a better brawler and the only way a Myrmidon ever escaped me (even back then) was if it nos'ed me out and ran like a little *****. Except that back then everyone was all "herp derp, a Drake I'll go kill it because its a noob!" and hundreds of kills just literally fell into my lap.
-Liang
Ed: And lets just be clear - I trained the Myrm first, and then went to the Drake because it was just that much better. Especially under sentry fire.
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