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qwerty007
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:25:00 -
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Not being able to fight back is fair?
It's like shooting fishes in a barrel.
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Jocindus
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:27:00 -
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And if Eve was supposed to be fair this would be a problem.
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qwerty007
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Jocindus
And if Eve was supposed to be fair this would be a problem.
Rendering someone elses ship useless because they cannot lock you is unfair.
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Bazan Kor
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:30:00 -
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So fit ECCM or Sensor boosters? Or your own ECM/Damps?
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qwerty007
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bazan Kor
So fit ECCM or Sensor boosters? Or your own ECM/Damps?
So your saying ECM/Damp them before they ECM/Damp you. So basically being a hypocrite is how everyone is supposed to play right?
Stopping them from rendering your ship useless vice versa is how the future of Eve is right?
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Marquis Dean
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:37:00 -
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Obviously you haven't been playing very long. When you reach 2 or so months, and (oh my god!!) dare to venture into losec, you can come back and read this, and realise how stupid you look.
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Xtro 2
Caldari
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: qwerty007
Not being able to fight back is fair?
It's like shooting fishes in a barrel.
ecm = limited or zero defences usually, at least was with the old system (powerfull but much better system) of jamming.
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Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman.
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Spacehulk
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:50:00 -
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ECM vs ECCM
Dampner vs sensor booster
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qwerty007
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Obviously you haven't been playing very long. When you reach 2 or so months, and (oh my god!!) dare to venture into losec, you can come back and read this, and realise how stupid you look.
I've been playing over 3 years mate, this is just one of my alts.
Who looks stupid now.
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Mephesto Nizal
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:57:00 -
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these modules have counters, just not enough people who fit them.
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Seriya
Caldari
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Obviously you haven't been playing very long. When you reach 2 or so months, and (oh my god!!) dare to venture into losec, you can come back and read this, and realise how stupid you look.
I've been playing over 3 years mate, this is just one of my alts.
Who looks stupid now.
Still you.
ECM has just had a massive, massive nerf and is around half as effective as it used to be. You can fight them with amps, with your own ECM (ECM Bursts are pretty effective), FoF missiles, smartbombs, drones, you can warp out and warp back in so they have to rejam you. Plus only the specialist ships are anywhere near consistant jammers now.
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Seriya
Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Obviously you haven't been playing very long. When you reach 2 or so months, and (oh my god!!) dare to venture into losec, you can come back and read this, and realise how stupid you look.
I've been playing over 3 years mate, this is just one of my alts.
Who looks stupid now.
Still you.
ECM has just had a massive, massive nerf and is around half as effective as it used to be. You can fight them with amps, with your own ECM (ECM Bursts are pretty effective), FoF missiles, smartbombs, drones, you can warp out and warp back in so they have to rejam you. Plus only the specialist ships are anywhere near consistant jammers now.
/signed. If after 3 years of eve you don't realise how overpowered ecm and damps arn't then you really need to find a new game. Alternatively I offer very competitive rates on basic pvp instruction.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mephesto Nizal
these modules have counters, just not enough people who fit them.
The effect is too powerful, the chance should IMHO not have been changed.
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Onel Whitaker
Br4ins
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:22:00 -
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Quote:
Not being able to fight back is fair?
Life sucks, get a f*****g helmet! 
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2006.12.11 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Obviously you haven't been playing very long. When you reach 2 or so months, and (oh my god!!) dare to venture into losec, you can come back and read this, and realise how stupid you look.
I've been playing over 3 years mate, this is just one of my alts.
Who looks stupid now.
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Sally
Caldari
R.u.S.H.
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 11/12/2006 01:34:03
Brains and common sense are unfair... only few can use them.
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LordSlay Them
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:18:00 -
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OK, lets compare this to RL.
There is a jet flying at my country.
We fire a ground to air missle and blow it up.
Jet pilot bails out of plane.
We put him in custody and he asks "Dude, wtf was that all about, I totaly couldn't even shoot back, can you plz nerf your missle system?".
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DiuxDium
The Graduates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:24:00 -
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In after troll older than Eve it self. 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Jocindus
And if Eve was supposed to be fair this would be a problem.
Rendering someone elses ship useless because they cannot lock you is unfair.
Since when is war and combat suppose to be fair?
What ever happened to just slaughtering your enemy, killing all the men, and selling the women and children into slavery?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:39:00 -
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waaaaa the F-22 Raptor is unfair , please nerf it.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Jocindus
And if Eve was supposed to be fair this would be a problem.
Rendering someone elses ship useless because they cannot lock you is unfair.
Since when is war and combat suppose to be fair?
What ever happened to just slaughtering your enemy, killing all the men, and selling the women and children into slavery?
keep the women as sex slaves tbh.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
keep the women as sex slaves tbh.
I have a feeling most women can beat you up, so good luck with that one.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:22:00 -
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Some other guys ship does more damage than mine, it's not fair 
CCP, nerf other players!
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Vardemis
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Obviously you haven't been playing very long. When you reach 2 or so months, and (oh my god!!) dare to venture into losec, you can come back and read this, and realise how stupid you look.
I've been playing over 3 years mate, this is just one of my alts.
Who looks stupid now.
You, after three years you should really know how to counter those modules. I expect next week a topic like: "Nerf guns, I lost a ship to someone shooting me."
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Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.11 10:43:00 -
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T2 BPO Lottery is unfair....
Ships that tank better than mine are unfair....
Weapons that do more damage than mine are unfair...
Ships that move faster than mine are unfair....
People who have more ISK than me are unfair...
Ships that mine more than mine are unfair....
Alliances who own more territory than me are unfair...
Corp mates who have more access than me are unfair...
People who have more skill points than me are unfair...
Life itself is unfair !!!
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:09:00 -
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As long as there is a counter module or game mechanic for every offensive module or mechanic that is appropriatly matched the game is balanced. Each ship has a natural defense to ECM that doesn't even require a module, which in addition can be boosted using counter modules. I agree that ECM strength were a little too strong prior to the recent patch, but I suppose CCP realized that and reduced the strength of ECM's. I personaly think ECM's are useless now with any short of a specialized ship with ECM bursts (which coincidently have the draw back of having a very short range, hence balanced). Looking at the patch it would seem this is the way CCP wanted it.
I'm not sure exactly what the complaint about dampners is as they are very balanced at this point, effectivly their are good counter measures that can render a sensor dampner useless.
I think the complaint most PvP players have is that they are forced to mount something on their ship other then guns in order to be a deadly combat machine. Dare I say most pirates are looking for the easiest most effective way to completetly own someone with absolutly not threat to them whatsover. I think CCP has anticipated this power gamer mentality and put a stop to it by giving defensive weapons to people that want to avoid combat which as far as I'm concerned is not only balanced and fair, but realistic and speaks to the great continuity of the Eve universe. After all, if pirates and industrials are a reality in the game world its feasable that while pirates continuesly try to find ways to blow people up, Industrialist would continualy try to find ways to avoid being blown up.
No offense Qwerty007 but I think what you want is to eliminate anything in the game that could stop you from easily killing simingly defensless or not PvP oriented players. I realize that their is this mentality that Eve is PvP, but quite frankly if that was what Eve was all about their would be no use for the hundreds of non-pvp oriented skills in the game. Its very obvious that Eve is a lot more then just a PvP game and modules like ECM, Dampners and other counter measures to attacks are the tools for the people who basically don't want to fight and just want to escape the threat so they can go about whatever it is they choose to do in the Eve Universe.
It may seem unfair that CCP would dare protect non-pvp players, but then again it wouldn't be fair if they didn't.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Jocindus
And if Eve was supposed to be fair this would be a problem.
Rendering someone elses ship useless because they cannot lock you is unfair.
Geez, really it isnt. The ship with the most damage, hardest tank would *allways* win. Its nice to have some supporting roles. Thanks to EW smaller ships have a chance of killing a big one and so bigger != better
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Gibbal Slogspit
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vardemis
Originally by: qwerty007
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Obviously you haven't been playing very long. When you reach 2 or so months, and (oh my god!!) dare to venture into losec, you can come back and read this, and realise how stupid you look.
I've been playing over 3 years mate, this is just one of my alts.
Who looks stupid now.
You, after three years you should really know how to counter those modules. I expect next week a topic like: "Nerf guns, I lost a ship to someone shooting me."
1. A Sensor Booster is not enough to counter a ship with around 3 Sensor Dampeners, which is the normal ammount to use.
2. ECCM is a waste of a medium slot
You need at least 2 medium slots just to counter this silly disabling EW. I see what he's saying. Unfair is not the word for it though, I would call it poor planning from CCP, and also EW is mainly used because of the lack of other effective medium slot modules.
Dampeners should really have a very very poor accuracy falloff, ECM seems fine however seems to be used a hell of a lot on myrmidons, which to me seems they arent detered from using ECM.
Having said that fighting a pre-kali iwin domi is even worse now as they fit damps.
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Hail Xenu
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:23:00 -
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3x T2 sensor damps on an arazu or celestis is really, really powerful. Possibly more than ECM was, since with ecm you had at least a chance at fighting back if jams failed. I wonder if nanophoon with sensor damps as a tank would work...
Btw. stilettos with 2x sensor damps are fun.
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Gibbal Slogspit
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hail Xenu
3x T2 sensor damps on an arazu or celestis is really, really powerful. Possibly more than ECM was, since with ecm you had at least a chance at fighting back if jams failed. I wonder if nanophoon with sensor damps as a tank would work...
Btw. stilettos with 2x sensor damps are fun.
As always you want to fit an IWin ship, its Dominix.
Highs - As much heavy nos as possible
Meds - MWD, 20km scram, 3 sensor damps
Lows - Nanos/Inertias
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