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Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 43	Posted - 2015.08.22 22:03:28 - [1] - Quote Ariz Black wrote: Justa Hunni wrote: So judging by the increasing number of pay for skins coming out can we conclude that the free-form painting system that CCP Seagull showed at Fanfest two years ago is dead in the water? Shame really, I would prefer being able to customize things rather than get nickel and dimed to death if I want something beside the vanilla ships. they were showing it as an internal tool that would let their artists make lots of nice new ship skins, which they clearly are doing. it was never even mentioned that players would be able to use it. I'm sorry but they said soooo many times that they 'wanted to give us these controls' to 'see what we come up with' and 'give that freedom to the players' and so on. Every fanfest they say this! They showed us awesome tech demos ... and now what do we get?? ... they changed the basemap on some caldari ships from grey to red? Then all the rest of the skins are basically silver and blue (intaki, kador, eom, quafe, sanctuary and so on ...) Kind of a joke. Homeworld had a custom skin system which included , stripes, basecolor and a logo. ANY logo you wanted. and that was in the early 2000s. So disappointed by the half-assed SKIN system. So much potential. So much possibilities to make it a rich gameplay feature by involving exploration , industry and PI. Making people collect and mix pigments, create / find skin patterns, perfect them and sell them... And all we got is a 'BUY' button. It is so out of the sandbox that its not even funny.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.25 10:31:46 - [2] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) As I understand the technical complexity of applying customs SKINs on a multiplayer, online scale, there are however no technical restriction to making the SKINs more tied to ingame professions. Its a shame that SKINs don't have to be manufactured, assembled, including PI / industry in this. I am not angry at the fact that SKINs are designed by CCP, in fact I bought quite a few of them , I am just sad that the 'buy' button is sooo immersion-breaking in a game were all the economy and most of the action is player based. It seems like a huge step in the wrong direction. (On a side note i feel the same way about avatar clothes... they should be assembled on planets using polytextiles and race specific components... there are so many useless industry items that could be made meaningfull...) I wanted to see red planetary pigment shortage as the Rataa Sunset SKINs were made available! tl;dr What is bugging me is that the SKINs feature is completely outside of our beloved sandbox.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:17:24 - [3] - Quote Why are the designer SKINs more expensive than faction ones? You were heading to a decent and -more importantly- coherent pricing ... seriously what is wrong with you CCP? The regular SKINs are expensive enough!!! Now for more technical stuff, the innerzone shiping domi displays what is obviously an interbus domi (in the store i mean). And all the bundle images display the old dominix model.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:16:41 - [4] - Quote Dear DEVs, you are expertedly dodging my comments and choosing to ignore them. I personnaly find that both amusing and sadly so predictable. I guess you don't care to comment on why the designer SKINs are more expensive than others? I guess you don't care to explain why some frigate SKINs still cost as much as Dread SKINs I guess you don't care to comment on the fact that the 'buy' button is a bit out of the sandbox and that SKINs would be more interesting if they involved some other professions. Even in the SKINs pilot program, they had to be built using a blueprint. I guess you don't care to comment on the fact that SKINs are ship specific and not hull specific or even class specific. I'm not gonna bother anymore actually. Its just disappointing. In the last few years you have failed to deliver a completely , fully done feature (PI, FW, SKINs, WIS, Tech3) but rest assured; most of the gaming industry is now this way with DLCs that make up for lacking initial content. Your Artists and devs are always working on something new that is gonna end up deployed about halfway done and never iterated on again. Saying this i'm gonna unsub and i'll be keeping an eye on the forums to see how things go from here. Eve is a great game in most of its core aspects. Sadly you keep adding more mechanics on top that are not polished enough. And when you ask for real money in return , on top of what we already pay monthly , that just doesnt work for me. tl;dr you're half-assing and i'll be off for a while. No you cannot have my stuff
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.27 16:54:11 - [5] - Quote Thank you for taking the time to answer me. I wish we didn't have to be provocative to get an answer on these forums (oh sorry i'm doing it again! ) Moving on I'll comment on you reply in the same order aswell. But the forums won't let me quote the entire thing so i'll summarize at best. PRICING Pricing SKINs according to how good CCP thinks they look is an incredibly surprising and terribad idea. Imagine if cars of varying colors had different pricing matching the builder's taste. Anyway... I'm glad you diverted from that. Then the pricing started to get consistent which was good. And designer SKINs are consistent aswell but more expensive than regular SKINs... why? DO NOT tell me they take more time to do (I do renderings and concept art for a living and the Designer SKINs that were released so far were NOT a lot of work) You say frigate SKINs were cheaper because they were gonna be lost more often? SKINs are permanent now. And the Aliastra Incursus SKIN still costs 4300 Aurum for a SKIN that actually changed from awesome-looking to incredibly dull! I 'm ready to bet the SKIN that took the most work adjusting so far is the caracal nughoeivy SKIN (the orange funky camo). But that should not make it more expensive. SHIP HULLS When I talk about multiple hulls I mean that I find the fact that the Dominix and Navy Dominix require two seperate SKINs is close to extorsion. I know you are planning to have variants for each TII hull (soon). As far as the Bhaalgorn and Serpentis ships are concerned I can't wait for them to get different hulls. If I were you I really wouldn't point that out ;) Thats why I would find it more consistent that SKINs were categorized like spaceship command skills: Caldari Frigate RATAA SUNSET SKIN Caldari Cruiser RATAA SUNSET SKIN Caldari Command Ship RATAA SUNSET SKIN Mining Barge SANCTUARY SKIN Exhumer GURISTAS SKIN etc... Of course that's less cash for CCP and thats really the key I guess. Quote:* Why charge people for a SKIN that works on 2-3 ships if they only use 1 variant. Really???? Using that very logic you should make it that every different ship requires a different skill! "currently training navitas lvl4" awesome stuff! IMMERSION You say the SKIN system is a "complete feature". If you like, but it is horribly immersion breaking in a game with real player driven economy and that will remain disappointing. It's just a "BUY" button when it could have been so much more. It could have bridged some gaps between some of the profession while creating new opportunities and it doesn't. Thats a shame. PLAYER FEEDBACK You say the players are really happy about the SKINs systems. Not much surprise here! SKINs were already a recurring subject when I started playing in 2007. So such a long expected feature could really not fail completely. And don't get me wrong some, of the SKINs are great. There are a few inconsistencies that are the result of a progressive deployment of this feature that need fixing badly, and then, sadly quite a lot of greed from CCP that resulted in some really weird decisions. Add to that the fact that you have been teasing us with SKINs since forever (images of a dozen variants of scorpions, of tornados etc, tech demos which allowed full customization, corp logos etc...) and so far we have none or very little of that. If SKINs are a "complete feature" as you say, it is not the feature you advertised and it is absolutely below most people's expectations.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2015.08.28 09:07:46 - [6] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: The Rataa Sunset ones, i'm sorry but they look terrible. On some hulls it works fine... The Corax for example but thats because the base Corax already has some nice striping going on ... But on the capitals its awful ... The RAATA Leviathan looks like something a 4 year old built out of red Legos.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:22:05 - [7] - Quote Akira Kata wrote: In subscription games, time is money... if we had to be logged in while developing our own custom skins with in-game tools, CCP might make more than selling individual skins as they do now. Excatly ... Besides, the skill(s) required for using the Custom painting interface could be an item sold in the store . I'd pay aurum / real cash for that !
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:36:51 - [8] - Quote Akira Kata wrote: In subscription games, time is money... if we had to be logged in while developing our own custom skins with in-game tools, CCP might make more than selling individual skins as they do now. Excatly ... Besides, the skill(s) required for using the Custom painting interface could be an item sold in the store . I'd pay aurum / real cash for that EDIT : DOUBLE POST PLZ REMOVE (sorry)

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