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Guttripper
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Posted - 2015.08.25 17:00:43 -
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Eve went from being fun to another form of work, except this time I am not getting paid. So while my accounts are active, they are idle as I pursue other forms of entertainment. |
Guttripper
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Posted - 2015.08.25 17:15:48 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:What form of work in EVE, specifically?
Are you talking about earning enough isk to PLEX? For me personally, the yearly cost for multiple subscriptions is a non-factor.
The "work" aspect to me varied among the various tasks I was doing at the time. One example that spurred me away was ~playing the market~ aspect. I would create my own personal formulas for buying and selling stuff. So I used to have some off the wall prices going. Some market areas appear to have bots running with them because there were times whenever I would use the broker, almost an exact x amount of time later, there would be a higher or lower price of 0.01. And this was constant if I varied whenever I used the market (real life time differences). After a while, forget it - too much like work to me to go against a computer... |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:00:44 -
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Another aspect I remembered that has caused me to reduce my time within the game. Perhaps I am just a role player at heart, but back in the day *waves cane*, both CCP and outside sources used to have articles, books, chronicles, and print magazines that touched on aspects to the game not normally a part of a player's gaming experience. They added depth to a gaming world. But today, many of the videos CCP releases are not to promote a sense of lore, but to highlight what they have coming out soon.
And it did not help that the "cold, dark universe" has become warmer and brighter through the fear of not being real life politically correct... |
Guttripper
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Posted - 2015.09.07 13:30:12 -
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This thread still stumbling along...?
Depending upon word play, the number of subscribers will always appear to go up.
Another thought I had on the original subject matter was what I originally enjoyed about Eve - the training system. Since my real life time has become more and more limited over the years, whenever I want a feeling of achieving something, other games will give that ~instant gratification~ over Eve. Begin training a thirty plus day skill and I can _forget_ about Eve for a while. And since I am not interacting with Eve, the desire to achieve more of the same fades. Being an older gamer, I do not need flashy graphics in my games. So a few turns in Alpha Centauri (with the expansion), Master of Magic, or Master of Orion (thanks GOG!), etc. will get me through those limited gaming hours. And if I want to grind once again, playing EverQuest through Project 1999 - while doing more of the same fifteen years ago - "feels" new once again.
So just another reason the numbers might be down overall - people like me are not being lured into the game daily with limited time and reasons for doing so further and further apart.
Just another one of my thoughts. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.08 21:15:04 -
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Around 4:15 p.m. Central United States time, EveMon claims there are not even 25,000 players online.
I guess the players all went back to college, school, or university and thus another (feeble) reason for the lower numbers. |
Guttripper
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Posted - 2015.09.09 10:30:06 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Guttripper wrote:Around 4:15 p.m. Central United States time, EveMon claims there are not even 25,000 players online. I guess the players all went back to college, school, or university and thus another (feeble) reason for the lower numbers. There was 35k on the weekend, no mention of that. i guess it wasn't worth the mention as it doesn't suit your end of times nonsense. Oh, I am so sorry I did not spend my holiday weekend wrapped around an archaic game monitoring the people online. I guess some people are so fanatically addicted to this game that Eve takes precedence over every other possibility.
I'll try and drink more kool-aid next time. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:00:36 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Gregor Parud EVE can't compete with mainstream games because those will always be [s wrote:flashier, newer, more hyped and less archaic[/s] aimed at people who are easiest to milk with constant rewards/winning, ego inflation and e-peen comparison. You're not really expressing what's going on, so I've fixed it for you. People still completely overlook why these games are being played so much in the first place.
Your alteration could be applied to Eve also.
"Run the latest holiday addition and get clothes!"
ego inflation = kill board stats
e-peen comparison = "We're Goons and we're here to ruin your game!"
Tid-bits I have picked up over the years of casually being here. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.27 14:45:17 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: This was more of a word-salad than anything with a coherent meaning. Can you elaborate on your point please?
For some reason, when I went to quote, part of it got wrecked.
Similar to what you mentioned about Eve being a harsh partner Remiel, part of the problem I see is a good portion of the player base attempts to be just as bad ass, but comes across as phony. Yet if a new player attempts to join the group of hard cores while honestly not having a clue about Eve at its core, mistakes that new player makes are not only highlighted to the rest of the hard cores, the mistakes are rubbed into the new player's face. While there are some that will attempt to teach what went wrong, too often players believing since they play Eve, it is their right to keep stomping on the new player in a vicious ritual of weeding out the weak. The weak will go elsewhere while the strong seem to become stagnant (blue donut) and instead of turning on themselves, "Hey, it's all cool bro!"
As for what Ms. Project altered in the other person's post, those alterations can be applied to Eve to a degree.
"easiest to milk" - CCP has been a master of this for years! Planetary interaction was to be this whole expanded game - their trailer of being a benevolent or a bastard ruler to the people down below is somewhere on my old computer. Or walking in stations and the whole two plus year ~wait~ for CCP to start working on Eve more than just a token. "Soon" is a thrown around aspect to CCP that while I have not kept up lately, are they still on track to fix supers and players can create star gates? Just keep subscribing and wait.
"clothes and skins" - flash the latest style with a "look at me"! feel to it. This is like taking the old "excel in space" aspect of Eve and instead of black lettering on white background, we can color code the letters, squares, and tabs!
"ego inflation" - too often I have seen the same hard cores mentioned above use kill board stats as their badge of honor. There were no boards to rate players that played Eve but followed different career paths: no top player that mined the most ice or rock in a certain time period or a player that created more ships of a certain type over other players. While I read (and probably added a comment or two) back in the day whether those aspects are really a part of Eve at its core or not, that is neither here nor now. Thus the only thing that mattered were kill boards, which leads into -
"e-peen comparison" - Goons worked their way into the top position. Too often these forums had them chastise others as part of the game with the occasional trickle into real life. Aspects within the game is all fair and square; but when it boils into real life is where lines get drawn. I've met (and dealt) with two Goons in real life that acted like "Eve is real" and thought themselves better because they are better within the game. Things got ugly, and I'll leave it at that.
At its heart, Eve is just another video game. I've gotten to a point where I barely visit these forums because all too often the fanatics want to portray themselves as the elite players of the video game world. And disagree with them on anything...
Just my views Remiel - I could elaborate further, but I am getting long winded. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.27 15:15:07 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mind you that with the increased grid sizes escaping a gank before it happens is even easier now. There's has been over two dozen direct & indirect nerfs to ganking over the last 7 years yet people still complain about highsec ganking. Ironically enough, long ago Goons offered information on how to survive a gank attempt with ship fittings.
Friend of mine (unintentionally) tested the set-up one night against a ganker in his Hulk. Ganker got through armor and just started touching hull when he decided to turn on his various shields. Kept mining while Concord eventually arrived to deal with the ganker. It was a lower end of high sec - 0.6 or 0.7, but the information is (was) available to survive. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:45:13 -
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Question for the masses -
Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox? No more additions, no more expanded space, no more ships, no more skills - no more anything except let the game ebb and flow based upon the players' interactions with what is currently available.
A sandbox without the continuing expanding walls to allow more sand. |
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