You are all guilty of the same sin. May our mighty empire deal swift justice to the drifter threat then turn it's baleful eye to those who would transgress against the almighty by arguing amongst themselves.

Join CODE if RP crap is your thing, spare the rest of us your bulls**t gibberish.

I have not seen anything about this new type of incursion in the missions and complexes sub-forum yet but I checked only a couple of hours ago.

Given that the Drifters change their tactics and have a Death Ray (that's what I'm calling it and I don't care) this is going to be very very interesting to see if the players manage to turbo farm them. Bling boats are a bad idea when you got little death stars all over the place.

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If Sansha incursions don't get nerfed somehow, I doubt anybody is going to care. On the other hand, the drifter incursions might end up drawing an entirely new crowd to the whole thing. If they really do spread if nobody does anything about it, sooner or later, they'll end up in places where people don't want them and we'll be forced to PvE :D I'm sure that'll be fun /sarcasm

I am a roleplayer and even I dont care. Let it sit out in lowsec. Clear that riffraff out. Same reason I dont pvp is going to be same reason wont head there. Hella lot of work for potentially minimal or negative payout. Having to constantly be on guard and probable pvp already camping entry? I wont be able to get in for the first place. Nope. I will wait for highsec, thank you.

It is CCPs entrenched belief that there is some magic, 'something', that will change the inate personality of highsec players into nullsec players and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to be making it clear to CCP that no such magic thing exists.

Damn and there was me hoping that the first Drifter incursions would start in Niarja...

If Sansha incursions don't get nerfed somehow, I doubt anybody is going to care. On the other hand, the drifter incursions might end up drawing an entirely new crowd to the whole thing. If they really do spread if nobody does anything about it, sooner or later, they'll end up in places where people don't want them and we'll be forced to PvE :D I'm sure that'll be fun /sarcasm

It is CCPs entrenched belief that there is some magic, 'something', that will change the inate personality of highsec players into nullsec players and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to be making it clear to CCP that no such magic thing exists.

Lowsec died a long time ago with the "kill everything that moves for no reason" game play that perpetuates there. True piracy of lowsec is dead. It was great when I started back in 06. But now it's just killmail addicts calling themselves pirates without even knowing what the word means.

Even the lowseccers who used to come into the forums and cry over nobody wanting to come out to lowsec (total disconnect of actions from consequences makes me fear for these people in RL) have gotten bored and left the game.

They're just a bunch of people who've somehow ended up thinking that they're entitled to anything they ask for. The only thing that these people need is a massive b***hslap back to reality. If they want to unsub then so much the better.

It is CCPs entrenched belief that there is some magic, 'something', that will change the inate personality of highsec players into nullsec players and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to be making it clear to CCP that no such magic thing exists.

It is CCPs entrenched belief that there is some magic, 'something', that will change the inate personality of highsec players into nullsec players and no amount of evidence to the contrary seems to be making it clear to CCP that no such magic thing exists.

Next question for anyone actually reading for something other than to whine about their space ship woes. Does this new incursion have system effects like Sansha Incursions, and if so to what degree?

I am a little unclear why we really care if they spread.

Khanid lowsec is dead you often transverse 3 or 4 systems before seeing another ship, but aside from that how much are they going to effect the odd person who does do exploration/mining/PI there anyway ?

Let's not give this a blanket term while saying it is "CCP". There is an actual human being behind this poorly conceived game design decision.

Soundwave, once upon a time, struggled with the very concept you speak of and eventually came to an understanding of the folly of trying to change people, and instead learned how to use the sheep in a productive manner. So these days, who has his old job and is mucking things up?

If we're going to assign blame, we might as well assign it accurately.

This is just plain wrong. Low sec was ALWAYS kill everything that moves space. My corp has thrived in low sec in multiple regions, at different times in the past 9 years, just because yourself and others don't know how to survive there and make the best of extracting its resources doesn't mean others don't. Most organizations that thrive in low sec and are not "all about the killmails" do not advertise their success, for obvious reasons.

Your whole angle of saying "it used to be great" just doesn't work, I'm an '06 player, low sec has had the amount and variability of resources in it improved drastically since '06. Please don't associate the old lowsec folk leaving eve as low sec dying....you know old players of all areas of eve have left, the correlation you are making means that all of eve is dying, for every vet that stops being a pirate in low sec, there are two noobs to replace him

The low sec is broken argument, never has gone away and yet...drug gas finds it's way into drugs, clone tags get to market, exploration loots from low sec is on sale in Jita, incursions get run....

Perhaps you should go and live in low sec before you claim to understand it?

This is just plain wrong. Low sec was ALWAYS kill everything that moves space. My corp has thrived in low sec in multiple regions, at different times in the past 9 years, just because yourself and others don't know how to survive there and make the best of extracting its resources doesn't mean others don't. Most organizations that thrive in low sec and are not "all about the killmails" do not advertise their success, for obvious reasons.

Your whole angle of saying "it used to be great" just doesn't work, I'm an '06 player, low sec has had the amount and variability of resources in it improved drastically since '06. Please don't associate the old lowsec folk leaving eve as low sec dying....you know old players of all areas of eve have left, the correlation you are making means that all of eve is dying, for every vet that stops being a pirate in low sec, there are two noobs to replace him

The low sec is broken argument, never has gone away and yet...drug gas finds it's way into drugs, clone tags get to market, exploration loots from low sec is on sale in Jita, incursions get run....

Perhaps you should go and live in low sec before you claim to understand it?

A dynamic pve does bring in a player base. It is also something that pve'ers will be essentially forced to do. CCP stated these can spread without limit if not contested. Ergo, it is a forced isk sink through destroying ships. Or not destroy and lose your space. As such, everybody pves. Even the most hardcore pvper. How else do they get isk to buy their ships?

Ideally, from what we have seen is it is hard combat. You will lose ships, you can be podded, etc. If done right, it can provide similar excitement on the biochemical level as pvp. Difference is you are on the receiving end.

If the AI is good enough, I guess only way you might not like it is if you cannot handle some tears of your own?

Gonna be awesome.

I'm, I'm sry, but this is bugging me that nobody talked about this...

The drifter death weapon is in NO WAY a forced isk sink. It is literally a forced isk faucet because of the ship insurance. It is however a forced material sink. Those are definetely not the same thing.

However, the LP stores ARE an isk sink. You exchange LP and isk (which vanish) for a faction item.


Thanks for your time.