Still won't bother with it though.

And that's ok. Low sec doesn't need fixing. Low sec is doing mighty fine and it's a vibrant place to be (and now even more so with drifter incursions) after all lowsec is the place it is because it's the first foray for many into the darks of eve, it's also the route by which 0.0 logistics happen on their way to empire. Without lowsec to buffer the carebears and jingoists of 0.0 there would be no hope for the eve community at all.

Insurance doesn't cover all things so not a faucet. Is an inherent loss regardless. But I had forgotten it. I havent insured a ship in years... That makes me feel fuzzier. Still, is an Indirect sink because it forces players to wash their hands dirty. So get dirty, gotta clean up and some down the drain. Either way, drifter can lead to losing isk.

Let's not give this a blanket term while saying it is "CCP". There is an actual human being behind this poorly conceived game design decision.

Soundwave, once upon a time, struggled with the very concept you speak of and eventually came to an understanding of the folly of trying to change people, and instead learned how to use the sheep in a productive manner. So these days, who has his old job and is mucking things up?

If we're going to assign blame, we might as well assign it accurately.

Every transaction on market has the broker fees, etc. That is the sink. So if we are blowing up lots of little ships, that means lots of little transactions. In the end, still a surplus from the reward. But it we looked at net earnings... If a drifter incursion ans sansha incursion had net isk incomes the same, the increased transactions to complete sites means the net for the entire operation from manufacturing through to completion is less.

I've heard some reports it won't stop until capsules make it stop, hence my comment aboutto Macaper's Fourth Procephy.

I'm not quite sure I know what you're saying, but...

I think you're saying since more ships are getting blown up more transactions are taking place? The tax is only like 1% or less, and that also means more insurance is pumping more isk into the economy.

I think there's a good blog somewhere using Mountain Dew as an analogy, but I can't link stuff because I'm on a phone.

I'm, I'm sry, but this is bugging me that nobody talked about this...

The drifter death weapon is in NO WAY a forced isk sink. It is literally a forced isk faucet because of the ship insurance. It is however a forced material sink. Those are definetely not the same thing.

However, the LP stores ARE an isk sink. You exchange LP and isk (which vanish) for a faction item.


Thanks for your time.

Does anyone bother with insurance ?

I am a little unclear why we really care if they spread.

Khanid lowsec is dead you often transverse 3 or 4 systems before seeing another ship, but aside from that how much are they going to effect the odd person who does do exploration/mining/PI there anyway ?

--> Miner has 100 mil isk, he mines 20 million isk of ore.
--> Industrialist with 100 mil isk buys that 20 million isk of ore. Because of tax the miner only gets 19.8 mil isk. (total -.2 mil isk from economy). Now the industrialist has 80 mil isk and the miner has 119.8 mil isk.
-->Industrialist makes that into 25 million isk of ships and modules. (Notice, isk in economy has not yet changed, that is expected value you can acquire for it, not raw isk).
--> Farmer with 100 mil isk buys all of it for 25 million isk. Because of tax the industrialist only gets 24.75 mil isk. (total -.25 mil isk from economy). Now the industrialist has 104.75 million isk and the farmer 75 million isk. (note the miner has the other 19.8 mil isk)
--> Farmer loses his ship because *reasons*. His friendly insurance company gives him a pat on the back and 10 million isk (total +10 million isk into the economy). Now the miner has 119.8 mil isk, the industrialist 104.75 mil isk, and the farmer 85 mil isk, for a grand total of 309.55 million isk, while only starting from 300 million isk.
--> The cycle continues and the isk faucet pours isk.

I might just stop posting after this, I'm getting tired of arguing.

Visited the drifter incursion systems last night. I can tell two things. Amarr navy is getting REKT over there and thus far any capsuleer force trying to intervene them has also been decimated by Drifters. There are very few people trying to do anything about it and most are just observing the new AI's behavior. Drifters and Amarr navy frequently clash in different parts of system, mainly at gates and Amarr ships at least drop semi decent loot, including faction crystals.


Did not see single drifter getting destroyed. I did see Amarr ship wrecks by hundreds, among with few player ship wrecks every now and then.

Also I learned that Khanid space is not as desolate as I tought. At least one player lives there.

Our corp will likely attempt some sort of engagement with drifters over weekend. We do not have manpower to stop them, but we might learn something at least..

fecking thread hijackers.

is the butt hurt that bad that you must broadcast the fact daily? within every thread you can ram it into?

reminder

The topic is: UPDATE: DRIFTER INCURSIONS HAVE BEGUN!!

The topic is not: The random whine about your butt hurt thread.

Still curious, does the damage leak through overshields?
Could you hypothetically shield rep the drifters and keep them at 25% and then apply the DPS and kill them without triggering the DD?

Interesting idea, that would be tricky but maybe. Could be a loop hole to exploit.

People keep asking for lower paying, increased risk , pve content. Probably sansha incursions will get an income nerf soon.

Visited the drifter incursion systems last night. I can tell two things. Amarr navy is getting REKT over there and thus far any capsuleer force trying to intervene them has also been decimated by Drifters. There are very few people trying to do anything about it and most are just observing the new AI's behavior. Drifters and Amarr navy frequently clash in different parts of system, mainly at gates and Amarr ships at least drop semi decent loot, including faction crystals.


Did not see single drifter getting destroyed. I did see Amarr ship wrecks by hundreds, among with few player ship wrecks every now and then.

Also I learned that Khanid space is not as desolate as I tought. At least one player lives there.

Our corp will likely attempt some sort of engagement with drifters over weekend. We do not have manpower to stop them, but we might learn something at least..