Just get rid of the bounty system, it means nothing.

If people want to pay money to have someone blown up, that is what mercs are for. They can contract a hit with a real person or group rather then wasting their money on a pool that no one pays attention to anyway. Or better yet train themselves up and get the desired revenge themselves.

I feel everyday i am explaining to new players and highsec dwellers that bounties are a waste of money.

Would be interesting to get a first feedback and maybe this could be something for the Features & Ideas forum

You're effectively returning it to its old state, where it was far more pointless and useless than it currently is.

Limits are bad; mechanically-encoded GÇ£moralGÇ¥ is even worse; mixing up bounty and aggression mechanics is as bad is it possibly can be. Disallowing bounties on some arbitrarily structured measure of GÇ£goodGÇ¥ players is downright nonsensical.

Your entire idea can essentially be described as GÇ£kill rights and security statusGÇ¥. We already have something that does that GÇö it's called kill rights and security status.

Well i see it a little bit from the roleplaying side (mmorpg ), usually bounties are placed on the "bad guys" (or call them whatever you like, rebels, pirates, freedom warriors ) and not the casual miner running his business or a beginner just started the game 20 mins ago and getting a bounty in the help channel.

"In-game" morale plays a role in EVE, i.e. ganking is an in-game crime with retaliation by Concord, the bounty system was usually meant as retaliation method from player side for "bad" behaviour reflected in the sec status. Choosing to be on the pirate side is one part of the fun in EVE and the old bounty system was one method to show it. Now its just random stuff without any meaning.

can anyone point to a freighter pilot with a huge bounty on them?

Yes, it scares new folks.

Yes, I am in rookie help often enough that I have actually made a mini-lesson about bounties that I cut and paste rather than type each time. I also assure them that if I am not worried then they have no reason to be worried either.

Any bounty system that grants the automatic right to shoot in hisec is a gankers dream. See freighter, bounty freighter gank freighter, no concord.

Any bounty system that requires a specific trespass against the person laying the bounty blocks punishment of all other infractions such as scamming bumping or just being a general asshat.

I agree the bounty system needs repairs or a rethink. But the OP here is not that repair.

The fact that you have to do this at all is only a further indictment of the bounty system.

Not much of a difference when you think about it; commercial and corp haulers get ganked all the time in null and suicide ganking is becoming more common in hisec thanks to CODE's extortion racket. Automatic right to shoot simply adds a measure of fairness and logic to the whole thing.

Bounty trolling is also an act of asshattery. The exact criteria for allowing a bounty is something that would need much greater examination and debate. I maintain nonetheless that bounties should be reserved for those who have genuinely committed a criminal act against someone, whatever constitutes a criminal act.

If you can come up with anything better, I'm all ears.

I think I remember seeing an n billion isk for killing so and so's titan, chribba holds the isk type thread a while ago... no idea if anyone ever claimed it though.

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Abolish the kill right system: people have been exploiting it anyway by transferring the kill right to an alt and locking it down with a billion isk activation cost. Replace it with open season on anyone who has a bounty greater than the gross estimated market value of their ship and fit.

It was actually claimed last week Took a long time but finally happened hehe

The only good reason to change them is the intrinsic problem with PvP as a paying career: it's strongly negative sum.

If Someone Aggreived wants to pay you, Tippia to inflict harm on me, Malcanis, then you're going to want a lot of ISK to do it, likely far more ISK than the actual net harm you're going to inflict on me. Now given that I suck pretty hard at PvP, we'll assume that if you can catch me, you can kill me. But EVE makes it pretty easy for someone who doesn't want to be caught not to be caught. Let's say it takes you 5 or 6 hours of focused game time to catch up with me. Taking Hi-sec L4 income as the baseline, that means you're going to want 250-360M ISK to even make the effort to get a scram on me, before you even consider the risk of me accidentally shooting back (and the much higher risk of me being with 20-200 friends, but leave that to the side for the moment).

In short, you're not going to get out of bed for less than half a bill here.

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Op has a point here, bounty systems is a fail at present stage. I would rather go for a solution in this direction:

Bounty system proposal

1. Combine bounty with sec status (negative) and maximum limits

2. Step increase of the max. limit from sec status -1.0 to -5,0, as example 50 million per -1.0 up to 200m max limit (amount is a first shot)

3. Bounty still needs to be placed and paid by players, but only possible up to the respective limit in regard to offenders current sec status

4. If you got a bounty on your head you are free to be shot on sight in highsec and lowsec.

5. Keep the 20% payout (or increase a little bit) so that buddy killing is not a major flaw

6. Bounty is auto-reduced with increased sec status, so soldier tags or sec grinding can reduce your bounty (but costs the offender some isk or time as is by today). If reduced the overpaid bounty goes to nevereverland.

7. Ship kill and bounty payout does not influence offenders sec status, so new bounty can be placed if below limit

Result:

=> Only players with negative sec status can have a bounty (like in the old days? I do not remember )

=> New players or "good" players are not faced with this system

=> Bounty hunting is still not a profession worth its isk but more reasonable and not that useless

=> No real ranking because many players will fly with 200m. Downside for famous bounty collectors , but at least the "Wanted" logo is limited to the "badboy" playerbase and shown on all your player pics, maybe also extended to forum to get some Yarrr-feeling in the community.

Kill rights:
Make a limit, i don't know 20 mill. Will get people more trigger happy and will increase the hunt, downside no "abuse" as isk-income anymore.

PS: Quick shot from my side and needs some deeper rethinking by experts . It's late and maybe there is a loophole in this proposal.

Would be interesting to get a first feedback and maybe this could be something for the Features & Ideas forum

moepy out

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Any bounty system that grants the automatic right to shoot in hisec is a gankers dream. See freighter, bounty freighter gank freighter, no concord.