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DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:40:00 - [181] Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 14:40:05 Originally by: King Fury In all serious though hopefully this will force CCP to moderate the forums more strongly as recently this bullying propaganda directed at Cyvok, SamuraiJack, McCreedy and Gungkllr, is completely unnecessary. I would hate to be in there shoes and read the abuse from BoB day in day out, like you tell everybody BoB its a game, your good at what you do ingame but you are a disgrace on the forums. I hope it's moderated a bit better too. Then I won't be called a 14 yr old, quake loving, moms basement living, cheating, hacking liar anymore. That will be nice. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Acama Asante Amarr Unity Star	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:43:00 - [182] Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: Acama Asante It's all about power and dominance, which go together with culture. As long as people recognise and check their own behaviour, it isn't the end of the world. If they don't... gestures around at forums Having said that, you dudes are shooting neutrals in Fountain... along with everyone else I was talking about new players... When was the last time you saw new players other than alt spies in 0.0? I've seen them, but not for long, they get podded That's the way the game is, for loads of good reasons. Lowsec is pretty similar, except it's very hard to catch someone who is smart. Originally by: SamuraiJack And Fountain is BoB space... Atm, not in some ways. It will be again soon, as much as regions with npc stations can be. It's just maybe if you want the moral high ground, don't shoot neutrals who are there trying to undermine bob in their own lame carebearish way? I know there's no reason not to shoot randoms in 0.0, and they might have good stuff. I'd do the same. But... you don't have the moral high ground while doing it If it was economical to be in lowsec podding three day old players, most of eve would be doing it too. Anyway, this is way off topic. Let's keep our flames on topic please, to prevent click
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:44:00 - [183] Originally by: Marodi Alivar Honestly i don't think you are sorry. If you were sorry, you wouldn't have changed your title from something to the effect of "delete me" to something to the effect of "Don't delete me, giggle, /wrist". Something that the MODS had to change. How can you be sorry when you obviously edited it to be even more out of line? If you were truly sorry you wouldn't have done that. Hopefully EVE-TV want's a new host now. and who would you suggests hosts Eve Tv instead ? no offence but no one else there could have made it as enjoyable as it was this time, in fact if any of the others were doing it i think i would have died of boredom well before the end, tomatoes and stocks livbe on Eve TV, nice bit of public humiliation never hurt anyone then let it go already.... Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Allen Deckard Gallente LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:46:00 - [184] excluding a couple of replys it seems to me most missed the point entirely. His link was refering to a post made on a "privately owned website" not payed for by eve. Intended to be seen by those given access with passwords and made as secure as possible. This wasn't an ingame thing. Wasn't really even an eve thing at all. This was someone who miss represended themselves in order to gain access to outside resources then exposed this information to others. It just happens that he is supposed to be an unbiased news resources but putting that asside I still find it unacceptable. The forums I use has lots of chat about eve. Along with lots of chat about rl peoples kids jobs ect ect we are all friends there along with out ts. The thought of someone posting alot of that information to public forums is not refreshing. If you cant seen the moral issue here then I feel for you. Personally I've never listed to evetv and probably never will. But if your going to be a neutral party then either 1. be neutral or 2. just say outright that your with 'x' alliance and your reporting your views. But again I dont think that it's the information that was givin or that fact that he's with evetv it's the fact that it was just wrong. Would also like to add that it borders on violating forum rule #6 where it gives information about rl circumstances and issues. This was information ment for a certain set of people that were given access.
Bacci Galu Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:47:00 - [185] Edited by: Bacci Galu on 13/12/2006 14:48:54 Has any player that reads these forums actually stoped for a minute, and thought about what cyvok has achivied ????? i mean reall stop for just 5 seconds and think, wash all you politics all the worngs he may hav or may not have done, all of it, and ask yourself, what did he achieve ?? More outposts than any other alliance at a rate that will prob never be seen ever again. ?? First titan ?? Yeah sure bob are for the better part, better pvpers, but he only record you guys hold is the first kill on a titan, now lets look at that a bit, i dont really care for the details, but i will highlight the facts, you guys killed an unmaned ship ?? wow what an achievement... Bob: But wait we have takin 0oy and paragaon soul !!! Big farking deal, u beat up a bunch of carebares, why, beacuse u where probably bashed at school and because the only way you can feel good about yourselves is to be the "shoolyard bully" and steal what u dont have the patientce nor mental capacity (or loyal followers) to do yourself. all you have done is shown eve players that you a thugs and thieves who couldn't do it for themselves and had to steal other peoples hard work. Not to mention rag out on the one man that CAN and DID do it...... as for eve-tv ansd spiraljunkie, well imo eve tv is about as unbiased as a molitov*****tail at senior prom. Bacci Galu ASCN forever, because u can not kill an ideal ps iam in a noob corp moving more ships south just incase some as-s hat makes a comment
Will Fireblade Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:47:00 - [186] Usually when someone apologizes over something it means that has accepted the fact that he has done wrong hence he resigns as he is not the right person for the job appointed. This is not what i see here. It was a consious decision he made and it was his alone. Apologies NOT accepted!
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:01:00 - [187] Originally by: spiralJunkie I'm flying home today. On Monday, if people still give a ***, i'll see if someone wants to host a vent/ts thing with me, then i can chat to people who think i deserve to be attacked by angry bees. shakes his jam jar of bees* man they look angry... I think the point behind this, is that people cannot separate real life from a game, or one character on an account from another. I mean, I play Chaotic Evil characters in NWN2, it doesn't mean I push people in front of cars or laugh at other's misfortune (well, maybe I do). I think the objection is that spiralJunkie (the man) made a post using spiralJunkie (the character), who is supposed to be official/impartial. Had he used his alt, everyone would have simply treated it as a bit of breaking news and we'd be on page 14 of a thread discussing CYVOK instead. ASCN, yeah, you are probably ****ed/upset that you've lost your leader. But you are using spiralJunkie as a scapegoat of your misfortune. If nearly anyone else had posted this information other than CYVOK himself (or another ASCN high command), you'd have probably jumped on them too. Equally, if BoB had broken this news - I am sure the repercussions and flaming would have been far far worse (insert BoB propaganda about CYVOK abandoning ASCN or something). Ok yeah, spiralJunkie could have edited his OP to be removed by mods, or to read a little kinder on his mistake. But the damage has been done now. Strangely, one could argue that spiralJunkie's position in the 'Eve media', it was his 'duty' to bring us breaking news such as this. I'm honestly not aware of his BoB loving comments in EveTV, I alsways muted those parts (no offence). Again, would this be as terrible if one of the other 'eve news' outlets such as Eve Tribune had broken the story? So, let's all take this as a chapter of Eve closed. Let spiralJunkie live with what he's done, no doubt he'll be meeker in his comments form now on, and lets all move on. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:06:00 - [188] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 13/12/2006 15:06:57 double post What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:09:00 - [189] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 14:40:05 I hope it's moderated a bit better too. Then I won't be called a 14 yr old, quake loving, moms basement living, cheating, hacking liar anymore. That will be nice. dbp Why would we give CCP moderator access to our own internal forums
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:14:00 - [190] Originally by: Bacci Galu Big farking deal, u beat up a bunch of carebares, why, beacuse u where probably bashed at school and because the only way you can feel good about yourselves is to be the "shoolyard bully" and steal what u dont have the patientce nor mental capacity (or loyal followers) to do yourself. Bacci Galu ASCN forever, because u can not kill an ideal ps iam in a noob corp moving more ships south just incase some as-s hat makes a comment Ah young weebear, if only it was only on your forums ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Wulfgard Minmatar The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:16:00 - [191] Amazing damage control BoB, as your fanboys are touting: job well done SJ, no need for apologies and ect... Now if you could all take a few steps back and realise the ramifications: -The main presentator of EVE-TV is a BoB player (yay for neutral and objective news!) -Copy-paste from a PRIVATE forum (we publicly promote underhanded tacticts). -Didn't give a chance to Cyvok to post his own good-bye thread (we don't respect and show any sort of sportmanship). Griefs, lies, petty insults, disrespect is what on the menu these days... Well I don't like this, regardless of my alliance TAG, I urge players and leaders of great alliance to rethink some of their ethos. Lighten up your rhetoric, remove the HATE :) What about playing clean and handling BOTH victory and defeat with grace, style and dignity?
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:19:00 - [192] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 14:40:05 Originally by: King Fury In all serious though hopefully this will force CCP to moderate the forums more strongly as recently this bullying propaganda directed at Cyvok, SamuraiJack, McCreedy and Gungkllr, is completely unnecessary. I would hate to be in there shoes and read the abuse from BoB day in day out, like you tell everybody BoB its a game, your good at what you do ingame but you are a disgrace on the forums. I hope it's moderated a bit better too. Then I won't be called a 14 yr old, quake loving, moms basement living, cheating, hacking liar anymore. That will be nice. dbp That would because BoB wouldn't be bringing the contents of other Alliances internal Forums here perhaps ? . . . . . . Should be a bannable offence to link /copy anything form an extternal forum in my opinion. Would tone things down immensely.
King Fury Caldari New Justice Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:19:00 - [193] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 14:40:05 Originally by: King Fury In all serious though hopefully this will force CCP to moderate the forums more strongly as recently this bullying propaganda directed at Cyvok, SamuraiJack, McCreedy and Gungkllr, is completely unnecessary. I would hate to be in there shoes and read the abuse from BoB day in day out, like you tell everybody BoB its a game, your good at what you do ingame but you are a disgrace on the forums. I hope it's moderated a bit better too. Then I won't be called a 14 yr old, quake loving, moms basement living, cheating, hacking liar anymore. That will be nice. dbp Yeah it cuts both ways and you are on the end of a barrage of abuse also, but your (thats BoB not just DBP) forum tyrade on the afore-mentioned individuals was unnecessary, you could have still "won" without even stepping foot on the forums, so please CCP please make the forums a nice place again, before more valued members of the community gets bullied out of the game.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:21:00 - [194] Originally by: Wulfgard Amazing damage control BoB, as your fanboys are touting: job well done SJ, no need for apologies and ect... Now if you could all take a few steps back and realise the ramifications: -The main presentator of EVE-TV is a BoB player (yay for neutral and objective news!) -Copy-paste from a PRIVATE forum (we publicly promote underhanded tacticts). -Didn't give a chance to Cyvok to post his own good-bye thread (we don't respect and show any sort of sportmanship). Griefs, lies, petty insults, disrespect is what on the menu these days... Well I don't like this, regardless of my alliance TAG, I urge players and leaders of great alliance to rethink some of their ethos. Lighten up your rhetoric, remove the HATE :) What about playing clean and handling BOTH victory and defeat with grace, style and dignity? LOL Spiral is not in BoB. Blog
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:21:00 - [195] Edited by: Weebear on 13/12/2006 15:23:03 Originally by: DB Preacher Ah young weebear, if only it was only on your forums ;) dbp It was your guys who brought them to this forum though! EDIT: never noticed who you were quoting...
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:25:00 - [196] So wait, you all want these forums to be LESS passionate? ROFL The Sims:Online is thattaway -----------> Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow I hate purple :(
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:26:00 - [197] Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 15:42:49 Originally by: King Fury Yeah it cuts both ways and you are on the end of a barrage of abuse also, but your (thats BoB not just DBP) forum tyrade on the afore-mentioned individuals was unnecessary, you could have still "won" without even stepping foot on the forums, so please CCP please make the forums a nice place again, before more valued members of the community gets bullied out of the game. He didn't get bullied out of the game, he left in a strop, throw his toys out of the pram because he has been beaten in a war. From the very start of this war, CYVOK has accused us of everything I mentioned above. Whether he did it here or only to those within ASCN, he deserves nothing but contempt. Anyone backing such a player should look long and hard at two things. 1) How would you react if you went to war with an alliance and rl issues were constantly being utilised in an attempt to smear you, while you concentrated purely on ingame realities? Look back over our weekly posts, they comment on INGAME actions and retort comments made by the ASCN HC OOG. 2) If someone is shown to be a rl bully and decides to leave because he has been beaten through ingame actions, does that make the people playing the game bullies as well? Lastly, Who cares? From the moment we attacked ingame, CYVOK attacked us irl. I for one am glad to be rid of such players and maybe our next opponents will simply fight us without resorting to oog attacks. Which brings me nicely onto the OP. Everyone attacking SpiralJunkie right now is using an INGAME event to attack his OOG work for our community. Whatever happened, that blog would have been posted. Whether it was by him, me, or some alt. Nothing was going to keep topical ingame news out of the media. Yes he pulled a Lunas Feelgood and posted with the wrong character and you can bet your ass he feels like a fool now. However, calling for his head from Evetv will achieve nothing except the community losing someone who did an amazing job commenting on a brilliant spectacle last week. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Zajo The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:35:00 - [198] Ok, fair enough you might wish to stir things up. You want EVE to be interesting. You take on your ingame mask and disregard out of game feelings etc. All that is fine to be honest. I might not always agree with what people do or say and there are times when I get really angry/sad/hurt etc about it. Give it time and that feeling fades away though. Wanting to roleplay and be "someone else" ingame is fine, no one can tell you not too but yourself and your conscience. But .. If you want to apologise do it for the right thing. You are not sorry for posting his blogg, you are sorry for doing a mistake and posting with your main. Now if I am wrong Spiral, I am sorry for jumping to this conclusion but it is easy to missunderstand your post. Please tell me Spiral, would you have apologised if you succesfully posted with your alt? I do not judge what you did and I wont tell you if it was moraly, respectfully, ethicaly etc right or wrong. What I ask of you though, as from anyone who apologise, is to do it right and be honset about what you really think. ----------------------------------------------- "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
Will Fireblade Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:38:00 - [199] Originally by: Zajo Ok, fair enough you might wish to stir things up. You want EVE to be interesting. You take on your ingame mask and disregard out of game feelings etc. All that is fine to be honest. I might not always agree with what people do or say and there are times when I get really angry/sad/hurt etc about it. Give it time and that feeling fades away though. Wanting to roleplay and be "someone else" ingame is fine, no one can tell you not too but yourself and your conscience. But .. If you want to apologise do it for the right thing. You are not sorry for posting his blogg, you are sorry for doing a mistake and posting with your main. Now if I am wrong Spiral, I am sorry for jumping to this conclusion but it is easy to missunderstand your post. Please tell me Spiral, would you have apologised if you succesfully posted with your alt? I do not judge what you did and I wont tell you if it was moraly, respectfully, ethicaly etc right or wrong. What I ask of you though, as from anyone who apologise, is to do it right and be honset about what you really think. yeah i agree.. most people wont judge you for the post with an alt thing. Everyones doing that lol (hypocracy at its best this forum is) but they judge you because of the fake apologie you just posted.
Infinitynexus Astrodynamic Innovations	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:39:00 - [200] All Ive seen in this thread has been whining, moaning, crying and a disregard for clear thought. We humans are not perfect, and Im pretty darn sure SpiralJunkie is a human, so why keep up this endless bashing with words and shaking fists. ITS A GAME! If you truly felt that your feelings have by his actions, you have failed at realising this.

King Fury Caldari New Justice Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:41:00 - [201] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 15:30:02 Originally by: King Fury Yeah it cuts both ways and you are on the end of a barrage of abuse also, but your (thats BoB not just DBP) forum tyrade on the afore-mentioned individuals was unnecessary, you could have still "won" without even stepping foot on the forums, so please CCP please make the forums a nice place again, before more valued members of the community gets bullied out of the game. He didn't get bullied out of the game, he left in a strop, throw his toys out of the pram because he has been beaten in a war. From the very start of this war, CYVOK has accused us of everything I mentioned above. Whether he did it here or only to those within ASCN, he deserves nothing but contempt. Anyone backing such a player should look long and hard at two things. 1) How would you react if you went to war with an alliance and rl issues were constantly being utilised in an attempt to smear you, while you concentrated purely on ingame realities? Look back over our weekly posts, they comment on INGAME actions and retort comments made by the ASCN HC OOG. 2) If someone is shown to be a rl bully and decides to leave because he has been beaten through ingame actions, does that make the people playing the game bullies as well? Lastly, Who cares? From the moment we attacked ingame, CYVOK attacked us irl. I for one am glad to be rid of such players and maybe our next opponents will simply fight us without resorting to oog attacks. dbp Thanks for taking the time to reply DBP, even though I think your comments are extremely harsh to say the least. I cant comment anymore as I know nothing of BoB or ASCN only what I read on the forums and Im a typical "Sun reader" I believe everything if its in black & white. Just reading the threads over the past weeks in my opinion you were on the forum offensive with the number of threads you guys created. So you all done with ASCN now?
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:43:00 - [202] SpiralJunkie, although you do an incredible job as a Eve-TV host your mistake should result in resignation of your job as Eve-TV host. You either should have been candid about your true identy or pay better attention what you post on the forums.
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:46:00 - [203] Originally by: Toranya Faidutti Originally by: Mud Pandemonium You're implying that I knew spiralJunkie was male, please don't jump to assumptions. End of threadjack, if you've still got further asinine arguments to throw at me, do it in game please. Wow, it's that hard to admit you're wrong, is it? Guess you are neither a man nor a woman then, by your own criteria. /me points Ha-ha! You got owned by a girl! Ha-ha haha ha! Res - It speaks for itself in a misspelled kind of way
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:48:00 - [204] Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 15:49:43 Originally by: King Fury So you all done with ASCN now? Absolutely not. If anything we are about to hit ASCN harder than we have done at anytime during this war. We weren't here for CYVOK, Pyrex, SamuraiJack or McCreedy. They are just people who stood up and abused us irl and have paid the ultimate price for it INGAME. We are here for ASCN and unless the new leaders act quickly, there won't be anything left by new year except a simple cleanup job for us. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:50:00 - [205] Good to see this post. However, with the high profile you have made for yourself this is simply not the thing to just make an excuse for and walk way from. Even if you are not officially CCP staff you probably are as close as it gets. You host official events and promote EVE and CCP through EVE-TV. Your fame is in the top ranks and no matter what the EVE world has looked at EVE-TV as the official TV for EVE and its Events. Hell, I found my self thinking "What do they mean 'not employed by CCP'? And I would think that is the perception for most in EVE and taking that into consideration I'm sorry to say that you should probably look for another "job". I dont want that, I would hate to see, I like and respect what you have done for EVE-TV but here simply is no recovering from this, it will only cause greef. Regards, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Saladin Minmatar V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:50:00 - [206] Edited by: Saladin on 13/12/2006 16:08:52 Edited by: Saladin on 13/12/2006 15:51:19 Im not sure I understand what happened. He posted a link to something that revealed his main character is in BOB? Is this supposed to be new information? Most people suspected it and had their thoughts dismissed as paranoia. The way he fully exaggerated about some of the claims made against Bob (they hack the eve servers...etc, things no one actually said) to belittle them was a good indication. In the end no one should be suprised that anyone in that alliance works closely with CCP. Of course someone will take that and say I accused them of hacking the servers. Whatever, its all a pointless post by EvE TV in an attempt to salvage its non-existent credibility. PS> Read more of the thread, so not only did he post something with the wrong char, he is one of those slimey weasels that have alts in other alliances and continuously engages in acts of betrayal? Sure its part of the game - oh wait its not part of the game because there are no in game tools to stop it or expose it! ----
Doctor Tycho Caldari Arutha loyals	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:52:00 - [207] Not a good time to make a mistake indeed. Its strange how fast people will forget all you did for this game with Eve-tv, and jump on the flame bandwaggon:\
Snakester Caldari Solar Storm Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:59:00 - [208] Originally by: Blacklight LOL Spiral is not in BoB. and u actually know that 100% do u.
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:00:00 - [209] Edited by: Ifni on 13/12/2006 16:00:58 Considering less than 0.01% of the playerbase applied for the positions available on EVETV, removing spiral from EVETV seems a little stupid. Additionally, http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=437805 provides much information regarding taking the bias of our commentary too far. If you want to wardec someone then please, DNA will rejoice if you do it. If you want to shoot him down, come for me, I will love every minute of it. Otherwise, quit the "holier than thou" attitude and get over it already. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:02:00 - [210] Originally by: Snakester Originally by: Blacklight LOL Spiral is not in BoB. and u actually know that 100% do u. Yes. Blog



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