Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)

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HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE

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Originally by: NITROX UpAllNightGaming

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Whether right or wrong .............

He's done the right thing and apologised like an adult ....

Can the forum handle that or will it fall into childish comments ...

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Originally by: NITROX UpAllNightGaming

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Whether right or wrong .............

He's done the right thing and apologised like an adult ....

Can the forum handle that or will it fall into childish comments ...

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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Originally by: Seleene

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If I ever accept a 1 vs. 1, count on at least 20 people, three carriers and a mining barge with drones to be on your death mail.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Anyway, does anyone actually have a working link? I missed it all

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Originally by: Chribba

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Anyway, does anyone actually have a working link? I missed it all

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Yes.

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Originally by: MrBigstar

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I didnt see your resignation in your post spiraljunkie?

Did you forgot to add it?
In that case add one!

Regards

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<3

Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Gimmeh please? I might help you mind some veldspar in meh hulk

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Originally by: MrBigstar

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I didnt see your resignation in your post spiraljunkie?

Did you forgot to add it?
In that case add one!

Regards

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Originally by: Hertford

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Why it's not called BoB-TV now, I have no idea...

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Originally by: Ather Ialeas

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Well this is something different.

...In a bad way, now I won't be watching evetv ever again(unless they start showing cartoons) since this is just low.

So, who's SJ's main?

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Originally by: Xoria Krint

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1. Yes its adult to ask for apologies.
2. Yes Its childish to do like you did.

I'm one of the people who don't accept apologies just like that.

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Originally by: Chribba

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Gimmeh please? I might help you mind some veldspar in meh hulk

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Without giving you the exact direction - In a location where the files stock in piles you shall dig at the spot marked X, by name you shall find your treasure.

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Originally by: hantwo

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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thats kinda like saying i'm sorry i got caught but not sorry i did it!

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Originally by: Deidranna

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another sad day for the small part of the community that is actually trying to respect the other player. enemy or not.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Nice of you to apologize for posting when it was Cyvok's thread to make.

I'm sorry that you also apologized for other things, as that is totally unneeded.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Spiral, you've lost a hell of alot of credability when commenting on other alliances now.

Mistake or not all your less than flattering comments on ASCN during the tournament take on a new light whether there was any intention there or not.

Somehow I don't see a hasty apology making things better.

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Originally by: Zeus

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Originally by: Ather Ialeas

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Well this is something different.

...In a bad way, now I won't be watching evetv ever again(unless they start showing cartoons) since this is just low.

So, who's SJ's main?

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You'll watch it, you'll watch and love it cos you like it. When it comes round next time 99% of you all will have forgotten about this "visual waste" and forum chest thumping. These are the sad facts of human nature.

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Originally by: skilzrulz

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Spiral, you've lost a hell of alot of credability when commenting on other alliances now.

Mistake or not all your less than flattering comments on ASCN during the tournament take on a new light whether there was any intention there or not.

Somehow I don't see a hasty apology making things better.

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Hey calm down, at least he had the heart to apologize for something he really didn't have to in the first place, I'm glad he showed a little spice on the forums, it makes life interesting.

At least throw him a compliment for being such a man.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Nice of you to apologize for posting when it was Cyvok's thread to make.

I'm sorry that you also apologized for other things, as that is totally unneeded.

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Originally by: Tarri

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Originally by: Deidranna

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another sad day for the small part of the community that is actually trying to respect the other player. enemy or not.

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Indeed we have reached a new low for EVE-O forums... well done

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Originally by: Captain Hudson

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Originally by: NITROX UpAllNightGaming

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Whether right or wrong .............

He's done the right thing and apologised like an adult ....

Can the forum handle that or will it fall into childish comments ...

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just wait for the ascn fanboy's to come crashing in here

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Originally by: Kuolematon

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Originally by: Tarri

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Originally by: Deidranna

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another sad day for the small part of the community that is actually trying to respect the other player. enemy or not.

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Indeed we have reached a new low for EVE-O forums... well done

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What you expect? EVE is game that promotes griefing. Unless you have realised, this game is "cs script kiddies" wet dream come true. Way to harasment other players and actually cause REAL LIFE losses and pain to their lives. I know certain alliance in EVE that does it, and does it damn well.

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Originally by: Extreme

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PI have noticed i've never seen a guest from ASCN nor Axe in all 3 tournaments this while ASCN have the most paying customers in an alliance

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Originally by: Laythun

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Booo Hoooo.

No i dont accept your apology, i think its tottally UNECESSARY that you appease these bunch of crass whiners.

I mean, EVERYBODY does it, and why should it matter that ur on evetv and did it?? because ur a commentator? because u may have a slight bias? is it any different from any other fan boi on these boards?

Does anyone ***** when a football commentator favours one team becuase hes a supporter?? no i dint think so.

U guys need to quit the whining.

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Quote:

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blablabla, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face.....blablabla

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Originally by: Riddari

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Originally by: Extreme

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PI have noticed i've never seen a guest from ASCN nor Axe in all 3 tournaments this while ASCN have the most paying customers in an alliance

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Actually I was called in with short notice when Kryztal (hi!) declined to be a guest. CCP (not Eve TV) contacted me on Saturday and I agreed to show up the next day as the 2nd half guest.

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Originally by: Hertford

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Why it's not called BoB-TV now, I have no idea...

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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Originally by: Gojak

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Apology not accepted

Stop hiding behind an alt, and face the consequences of your actions like any other player who posts here so I can do something about it.

Gojak

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Originally by: Laythun

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Originally by: Tarri

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Originally by: Laythun

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Booo Hoooo.

No i dont accept your apology, i think its tottally UNECESSARY that you appease these bunch of crass whiners.

I mean, EVERYBODY does it, and why should it matter that ur on evetv and did it?? because ur a commentator? because u may have a slight bias? is it any different from any other fan boi on these boards?

Does anyone ***** when a football commentator favours one team becuase hes a supporter?? no i dint think so.

U guys need to quit the whining.

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Translation:
"I do it, so everyone must do it."

Some people still have integrity, don¦t hate them for that.

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No that is not a simpletons translation. try harder nubcakes.

All the ASCN people in here, stop using this as a smoke screen, stop using the post as a way of diverting attention from your other troubles.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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This is starting to become a dead issue to be honest. All that can be said has been said.
The horse has been tenderized enough folks, let us all get on with life.

On a side note, kudos to some of you for your eloquent posts. If we could somehow harness the creative energy it took for you to piece together a logical and constructive point, we could power a small country.

The rest of you? Maybe power a wris****ch.

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Originally by: Gabba

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Sure puts all the lowball remarks towards ASCN during the last craptastic tournament on EVE-TV in perspective.
Still think EVE-TV is a very cool thing, but it did seem somewhat biased.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Del369

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Edited by: Del369 on 13/12/2006 11:40:21

Originally by: Gabba

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Sure puts all the lowball remarks towards ASCN during the last craptastic tournament on EVE-TV in perspective.
Still think EVE-TV is a very cool thing, but it did seem somewhat biased.

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i thought that in their comments about IAC last time, and this time in the beginning, but it got better as it went on it seemed, i think someone stuck a boot somewhere.
anyway, he screwed up, he came clean and apologised, thats all you can do in this life, personally he makes Eve TV, i really enjoyed watching the last couple of weeks, and it's mainly because of fatboys never ending fast off the cuff comments that i did enjoy it so much, so fire him ? no thanks, however, how does this sound ?
invite Cyvok to the next one, get some stocks, and live on Eve TV allow Cyvok to pelt him with rotten tomatoes, retribution and recompense all served up in a live Eve TV coating of rotten tomatoes

now Spiral answer meh bloody pm, or i'll start suggesting they cut your nads off with it

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Originally by: Tarri

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You can keep it on a high level maturity if you want, some alliances are known for not doing, it other do it (see ET, he acts evil but never disrespectfull). One problem is that lots of people say it¦s only a game when someone gets bullied or similar, but they tend to forget that while the avatar doesn¦t have any feelings, the human being behind the pc has feelings.

And as the forum is the connection between the RL and the game people should act with a bit more respect, especially on the Non-Roleplaying forum because on those you don¦t address the characters but the people playing them.

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Originally by: elbenito

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The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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Originally by: Gojak

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Apology not accepted

Stop hiding behind an alt, and face the consequences of your actions like any other player who posts here so I can do something about it.

Gojak

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Originally by: Esaam DeVries

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Edited by: Esaam DeVries on 13/12/2006 12:22:20
Sorry to said that but reading your apology made me wonder if you were make excuses for getting caught or for what you did. One is never excused for being evil, but there is some merit in knowing that one is -- and the most irreparable of vices is to do evil through stupidity. And I believe that's what you have done.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Who'd of guessed there are so many drama queens playing eve.

Great scandal on the forums this week it's been brilliant.

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Well, you were a snake for wanting post that as an alt, a little girl for being afraid to post it as your main. You are however a man for admitting your mistake.

I salute you ManSnakeGirl.

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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Originally by: Frankinator

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Nice of you to apologize for posting when it was Cyvok's thread to make.

I'm sorry that you also apologized for other things, as that is totally unneeded.

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Exactly.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Who'd of guessed there are so many drama queens playing eve.

Great scandal on the forums this week it's been brilliant.

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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How many of us would have posted that particular link had we known about it? Like it or not it's the majority.

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Originally by: Agent Infiniti

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Edited by: Agent Infiniti on 13/12/2006 11:42:39
If he was that sorry and had made a genuine mistake, why would the MOTD in #eve-online on coldfront say this:

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Well, you were a snake for wanting post that as an alt, a little girl for being afraid to post it as your main. You are however a man for admitting your mistake.

I salute you ManSnakeGirl.

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I'm sure you think this was clever, but the implication that cowardice is feminine is highly insulting. I'm more offended by your statement than I was the original SJ behavior. I don't suddenly grow male genitalia when I admit my mistakes, so keep your chauvinistic B.S. to yourself next time.

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Originally by: Cryus Aphax

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I think calls for resignation are a bit harsh. Lets face it if spiral hadn't posted it, someone from BOB would have done.

Get over it, dramaqueens.

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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While posting with a "public" figure was a bad move (i.e. the "spiralJunkie" persona, as an EvE-TV host, needs to remain unbiased), the ASCN reaction is turning into a witch hunt, and spiral is turning into a convenient goat.

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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While posting with a "public" figure was a bad move (i.e. the "spiralJunkie" persona, as an EvE-TV host, needs to remain unbiased), the ASCN reaction is turning into a witch hunt, and spiral is turning into a convenient goat.

Perhaps ASCN should channel their anger to solve their in-game crisis instead of posturing outrage on public forums.

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Originally by: Deidranna

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Edited by: Deidranna on 13/12/2006 12:50:41

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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How many of us would have posted that particular link had we known about it? Like it or not it's the majority.

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and thats why it sucks to be an eve player these days.
look at meeee loook at meeeee
i know things
i have access to enemy ts and forums
look at meeee
pleeeeeeeeaaassssssseeeeeeeeeee
we pwn you not
look at mee

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Well, you were a snake for wanting post that as an alt, a little girl for being afraid to post it as your main. You are however a man for admitting your mistake.

I salute you ManSnakeGirl.

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I'm sure you think this was clever, but the implication that cowardice is feminine is highly insulting. I'm more offended by your statement than I was the original SJ behavior. I don't suddenly grow male genitalia when I admit my mistakes, so keep your chauvinistic B.S. to yourself next time.

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Hardly clever, but hardly anything that would warrant such a response.
While I can understand you might not see that I was trying to bring some humour into this thread in my own little way, I cannot begin to fathom where you developed the idea that I intended to purposely offend a gender or species.

It was hardly chauvinistic and I meant everything I said in jest. I do apologize if you've gone through some experiences in your life that have left you unable to process even the lowest forms of humour. If you're offended by my statement I'll ask that you simply ignore it and get on with life.

I'll ask you to kindly spare me the cry of the righteous as I can safely assume you're no saint yourself. I request that you please step down from the high horse you've placed yourself on and get down with the rest of us in the dirt. Lighten up, don't take life so seriously, you'll never get out alive.

If however you stand by your statement and continue to believe I should "keep my chauvinistic B.S. to myself" I'll kindly ask you to keep your self-righteous holier-than-thou asinine attitude to yourself.

I await your eloquently written retort on why I'm wrong.

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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While posting with a "public" figure was a bad move (i.e. the "spiralJunkie" persona, as an EvE-TV host, needs to remain unbiased), the ASCN reaction is turning into a witch hunt, and spiral is turning into a convenient goat.

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/me bleats

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Originally by: Deidranna

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Edited by: Deidranna on 13/12/2006 12:50:41

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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How many of us would have posted that particular link had we known about it? Like it or not it's the majority.

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and thats why it sucks to be an eve player these days.
look at meeee loook at meeeee
i know things
i have access to enemy ts and forums
look at meeee
pleeeeeeeeaaassssssseeeeeeeeeee
we pwn you not
look at mee

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I'm flying home today. On Monday, if people still give a ****, i'll see if someone wants to host a vent/ts thing with me, then i can chat to people who think i deserve to be attacked by angry bees.

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I'm flying home today. On Monday, if people still give a ****, i'll see if someone wants to host a vent/ts thing with me, then i can chat to people who think i deserve to be attacked by angry bees.

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Edited by: Toranya Faidutti on 13/12/2006 13:12:35

Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Well, you were a snake for wanting post that as an alt, a little girl for being afraid to post it as your main. You are however a man for admitting your mistake.

I salute you ManSnakeGirl.

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I'm sure you think this was clever, but the implication that cowardice is feminine is highly insulting. I'm more offended by your statement than I was the original SJ behavior. I don't suddenly grow male genitalia when I admit my mistakes, so keep your chauvinistic B.S. to yourself next time.

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Hardly clever, but hardly anything that would warrant such a response.
While I can understand you might not see that I was trying to bring some humour into this thread in my own little way, I cannot begin to fathom where you developed the idea that I intended to purposely offend a gender or species.

It was hardly chauvinistic and I meant everything I said in jest. I do apologize if you've gone through some experiences in your life that have left you unable to process even the lowest forms of humour. If you're offended by my statement I'll ask that you simply ignore it and get on with life.

I'll ask you to kindly spare me the cry of the righteous as I can safely assume you're no saint yourself. I request that you please step down from the high horse you've placed yourself on and get down with the rest of us in the dirt. Lighten up, don't take life so seriously, you'll never get out alive.

If however you stand by your statement and continue to believe I should "keep my chauvinistic B.S. to myself" I'll kindly ask you to keep your self-righteous holier-than-thou asinine attitude to yourself.

I await your eloquently written retort on why I'm wrong.

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There isn't enough to say to do so eloquently, sorry.

1) Just because you think something is funny doesn't make it so, nor does it make someone who points out that it wasn't funny "holier than thou".

2) If you weren't attempting to imply cowardice as a feminine trait you would have called him a little boy, not a little girl.

QED.

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Edited by: Toranya Faidutti on 13/12/2006 13:12:35

Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Well, you were a snake for wanting post that as an alt, a little girl for being afraid to post it as your main. You are however a man for admitting your mistake.

I salute you ManSnakeGirl.

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I'm sure you think this was clever, but the implication that cowardice is feminine is highly insulting. I'm more offended by your statement than I was the original SJ behavior. I don't suddenly grow male genitalia when I admit my mistakes, so keep your chauvinistic B.S. to yourself next time.

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Hardly clever, but hardly anything that would warrant such a response.
While I can understand you might not see that I was trying to bring some humour into this thread in my own little way, I cannot begin to fathom where you developed the idea that I intended to purposely offend a gender or species.

It was hardly chauvinistic and I meant everything I said in jest. I do apologize if you've gone through some experiences in your life that have left you unable to process even the lowest forms of humour. If you're offended by my statement I'll ask that you simply ignore it and get on with life.

I'll ask you to kindly spare me the cry of the righteous as I can safely assume you're no saint yourself. I request that you please step down from the high horse you've placed yourself on and get down with the rest of us in the dirt. Lighten up, don't take life so seriously, you'll never get out alive.

If however you stand by your statement and continue to believe I should "keep my chauvinistic B.S. to myself" I'll kindly ask you to keep your self-righteous holier-than-thou asinine attitude to yourself.

I await your eloquently written retort on why I'm wrong.

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There isn't enough to say to do so eloquently, sorry.

1) Just because you think something is funny doesn't make it so, nor does it make someone who points out that it wasn't funny "holier than thou".

2) If you weren't attempting to imply cowardice as a feminine trait you would have called him a little boy, not a little girl.

QED.

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Originally by: Extreme

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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While posting with a "public" figure was a bad move (i.e. the "spiralJunkie" persona, as an EvE-TV host, needs to remain unbiased), the ASCN reaction is turning into a witch hunt, and spiral is turning into a convenient goat.

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/me bleats

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You said on as host EVE TV that you didn't like CYVOK ("i don't like him" with a disgrunted face.)

You were bleating there too ?

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Originally by: Ztang Canary

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Who'd of guessed there are so many drama queens playing eve.

Great scandal on the forums this week it's been brilliant.

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You Bobbits are too caught up in defending what is clearly an act of spite, too see the real issues.
You have succeeded in taking a game past the game, and turning it into personal attacks, and ridicule.
I, for one, actually thought better of you. I had thought you at least had some shred of decency, and ability to separate a game from reality.
Im sad for Eve, and Im sad for CCP that cannot seem to do the right thing, and realise that Eve is not BoB.

These forums resemble to me nothing but a kindergarten sandbox, in which it seems certain entities think "cool" equates "evil", and measure their credibility and integrity by how low they can sink by hurting others.
You call yourself grown-ups....my god it does not reflect in your posts.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Edited by: Toranya Faidutti on 13/12/2006 13:12:35

Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Well, you were a snake for wanting post that as an alt, a little girl for being afraid to post it as your main. You are however a man for admitting your mistake.

I salute you ManSnakeGirl.

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I'm sure you think this was clever, but the implication that cowardice is feminine is highly insulting. I'm more offended by your statement than I was the original SJ behavior. I don't suddenly grow male genitalia when I admit my mistakes, so keep your chauvinistic B.S. to yourself next time.

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Hardly clever, but hardly anything that would warrant such a response.
While I can understand you might not see that I was trying to bring some humour into this thread in my own little way, I cannot begin to fathom where you developed the idea that I intended to purposely offend a gender or species.

It was hardly chauvinistic and I meant everything I said in jest. I do apologize if you've gone through some experiences in your life that have left you unable to process even the lowest forms of humour. If you're offended by my statement I'll ask that you simply ignore it and get on with life.

I'll ask you to kindly spare me the cry of the righteous as I can safely assume you're no saint yourself. I request that you please step down from the high horse you've placed yourself on and get down with the rest of us in the dirt. Lighten up, don't take life so seriously, you'll never get out alive.

If however you stand by your statement and continue to believe I should "keep my chauvinistic B.S. to myself" I'll kindly ask you to keep your self-righteous holier-than-thou asinine attitude to yourself.

I await your eloquently written retort on why I'm wrong.

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There isn't enough to say to do so eloquently, sorry.

1) Just because you think something is funny doesn't make it so, nor does it make someone who points out that it wasn't funny "holier than thou".

2) If you weren't attempting to imply cowardice as a feminine trait you would have called him a little boy, not a little girl.

QED.

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Now why would I have called him a little boy to imply cowardice? Are you saying that little girls aren't equally capable of acts of cowardice? So, by your logic it would be okay if I implied that cowardice is a male trait, but not a feminine one? Excuse me while I stand in awe of your asinine double standard.

Either way you slice this you're simply using me and my statements as a ground to voice your self-righteous politically correct agenda.

Shall I call potholes asphalt-deficiencies now? Perhaps I have to refer to a manhole as a "personhole" now? Oh please.

If you weren't being so incredibly biased about this you'd also be defending snakes because of my implied notions of trickery and deceit. That would be the logical thing to do. No, you're simply using me as a sacrificial lamb at the moment. Attacking what I said to satisfy your own ego. Perhaps you have some inane inward self-hatred that requires you to fill the void with powertrips and ego boosts, who knows for certain.

Either way, I stand by my statement, if you don't like it, ignore it.

Now lets end this silly threadjack.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I'm flying home today. On Monday, if people still give a ****, i'll see if someone wants to host a vent/ts thing with me, then i can chat to people who think i deserve to be attacked by angry bees.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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You're implying that I knew spiralJunkie was male, please don't jump to assumptions.

End of threadjack, if you've still got further asinine arguments to throw at me, do it in game please.

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I posted a thread last night which linked to an image from a private forum. I shouldn't have done so, but I did.

I selected the wrong character. I wanted to do it with a different one, but forgot to select the right one. I'm sure we've all done it, but this doesn't excuse the action, just brings it more to the public eye.

I made a mistake by posting it, I simply didn't think it through, didn't think about the ramifications, or that I would be associated with one side or another. Whatever my feelings may be, spiralJunkie is no longer just my face, he's in the public domain, and I should have thought about that.

As for CYVOK himself, or ASCN, I'm sure enough that I've made it clear over the last six weeks that I bear no ill feelings towards them.

Again, apologies for not stopping and thinking.

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Originally by: Extreme

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Edited by: Extreme on 13/12/2006 13:38:11

Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I'm flying home today. On Monday, if people still give a ****, i'll see if someone wants to host a vent/ts thing with me, then i can chat to people who think i deserve to be attacked by angry bees.

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I worked for TV Workshop / Veronica Television Netherlands as an editor. I've seen enough arrogant assheads thinking "they are the man" because they were hosts on television.
As an advise try not to become arrogant towards the public and get your feet back on the ground.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Ztrain

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Not a problem you just made it quite obvious that many of us suspected. Things how the sovernty rules got "fixed" right as BoB secured a space to make it harder to take it back. CCP and it's employee's have no impartiality. I guess that's just another problem with a game developed in Iceland. Their coders by looking at the game suck and it would seem their busness practices and fair play do as well. Perhaps they need more education over there /shrug. Just because you did it with the wrong character does not forgive you back door practices. I do think it's funny though that the biggest ship in the game was not killed by skill full tactics or cunning game play. The first of the biggest ships in the game worth a net value of $16,000 US on ebay was killed by buggy code and a login que. A login que that now that the ship is gone the dev's are misteriously removing from the game..........

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Originally by: Wrangler

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That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: Patch86

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I'm dissapointed with Spiral- it was spiteful thing to do, and he shouldn't have done it.

What I really don't care about, though, is him using his EveTV account for it, though. Ultimately, RL TV presenters are not unbiased, they arn't pillars of neutrality and even handedness; they're opinionated, involved advocates of whatever the hell they want to be. Spiral has made an ass of himself doing something so mean, but I don't think it's a scandal that an "EveTV presenter" is involved with an alliance. Thats just life.

I hope this doesn't stop him being involved with EveTV in the future, as he is a good presenter and makes EveTV enjoyable to watch. But he still*****ed up.

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Originally by: Stamm

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Hopefully now the witch hunt can end. I don't fancy another 6 page thread full of "OMG I feel way more violated by SpiralJunkie than you".

Also, since it entered the public domain, anybody got the link? Hate not knowing what everybody else does.

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Originally by: Ztrain

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The first of the biggest ships in the game worth a net value of $16,000 US on ebay was killed by buggy code and a login que. A login que that now that the ship is gone the dev's are misteriously removing from the game..........

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Uh, no. spiralJunkie is male. If spiralJunkie was female, then it would have made sense to use little girl / woman instead of little boy/male. You changed his gender to make the cowardice point.

I'm truly amazed that you are not making this connection, and it is not inappropriate to point out when someone says something insensitive, be it a racial slur, homophobic nonsense, or in this case gender insensitivity.

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Originally by: Kuolematon

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Yet it still dosen't remove fact that as a game EVE promotes
grief play and smacktalk.

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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/signed.

I feel for the new players who are starting out anew.

Pirates used to be honerable. Go into low sec at your own risk. That was acceptable.

Now its Suicide gankers, probed out and griefed in missions. Macro miners, spammers, expoiters.

Welcome to the new player experience.

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Originally by: Ztang Canary

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Who'd of guessed there are so many drama queens playing eve.

Great scandal on the forums this week it's been brilliant.

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You Bobbits are too caught up in defending what is clearly an act of spite, too see the real issues.
You have succeeded in taking a game past the game, and turning it into personal attacks, and ridicule.
I, for one, actually thought better of you. I had thought you at least had some shred of decency, and ability to separate a game from reality.
Im sad for Eve, and Im sad for CCP that cannot seem to do the right thing, and realise that Eve is not BoB.

These forums resemble to me nothing but a kindergarten sandbox, in which it seems certain entities think "cool" equates "evil", and measure their credibility and integrity by how low they can sink by hurting others.
You call yourself grown-ups....my god it does not reflect in your posts.

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Originally by: Acama Asante

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It's all about power and dominance, which go together with culture. As long as people recognise and check their own behaviour, it isn't the end of the world. If they don't... *gestures around at forums*

Having said that, you dudes are shooting neutrals in Fountain... along with everyone else

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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While posting with a "public" figure was a bad move (i.e. the "spiralJunkie" persona, as an EvE-TV host, needs to remain unbiased), the ASCN reaction is turning into a witch hunt, and spiral is turning into a convenient goat.

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/me bleats

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Originally by: King Fury

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In all serious though hopefully this will force CCP to moderate the forums more strongly as recently this bullying propaganda directed at Cyvok, SamuraiJack, McCreedy and Gungkllr, is completely unnecessary. I would hate to be in there shoes and read the abuse from BoB day in day out, like you tell everybody BoB its a game, your good at what you do ingame but you are a disgrace on the forums.

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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Originally by: Acama Asante

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It's all about power and dominance, which go together with culture. As long as people recognise and check their own behaviour, it isn't the end of the world. If they don't... *gestures around at forums*

Having said that, you dudes are shooting neutrals in Fountain... along with everyone else

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I was talking about new players... When was the last time you saw new players other than alt spies in 0.0?

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Originally by: SamuraiJack

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And Fountain is BoB space...

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Originally by: Marodi Alivar

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Honestly i don't think you are sorry. If you were sorry, you wouldn't have changed your title from something to the effect of "delete me" to something to the effect of "Don't delete me, giggle, /wrist". Something that the MODS had to change.

How can you be sorry when you obviously edited it to be even more out of line?

If you were truly sorry you wouldn't have done that.

Hopefully EVE-TV want's a new host now.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!

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Originally by: spiralJunkie

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I'm flying home today. On Monday, if people still give a ****, i'll see if someone wants to host a vent/ts thing with me, then i can chat to people who think i deserve to be attacked by angry bees.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 14:40:05

I hope it's moderated a bit better too.

Then I won't be called a 14 yr old, quake loving, moms basement living, cheating, hacking liar anymore.

That will be nice.

dbp

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Originally by: Bacci Galu

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Big farking deal, u beat up a bunch of carebares, why, beacuse u where probably bashed at school and because the only way you can feel good about yourselves is to be the "shoolyard bully" and steal what u dont have the patientce nor mental capacity (or loyal followers) to do yourself.

Bacci Galu
ASCN forever, because u can not kill an ideal

ps iam in a noob corp moving more ships south just incase some as-s hat makes a comment

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 14:40:05

Originally by: King Fury

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In all serious though hopefully this will force CCP to moderate the forums more strongly as recently this bullying propaganda directed at Cyvok, SamuraiJack, McCreedy and Gungkllr, is completely unnecessary. I would hate to be in there shoes and read the abuse from BoB day in day out, like you tell everybody BoB its a game, your good at what you do ingame but you are a disgrace on the forums.

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I hope it's moderated a bit better too.

Then I won't be called a 14 yr old, quake loving, moms basement living, cheating, hacking liar anymore.

That will be nice.

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 14:40:05

Originally by: King Fury

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In all serious though hopefully this will force CCP to moderate the forums more strongly as recently this bullying propaganda directed at Cyvok, SamuraiJack, McCreedy and Gungkllr, is completely unnecessary. I would hate to be in there shoes and read the abuse from BoB day in day out, like you tell everybody BoB its a game, your good at what you do ingame but you are a disgrace on the forums.

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I hope it's moderated a bit better too.

Then I won't be called a 14 yr old, quake loving, moms basement living, cheating, hacking liar anymore.

That will be nice.

dbp

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Originally by: Wulfgard

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Amazing damage control BoB, as your fanboys are touting: job well done SJ, no need for apologies and ect...

Now if you could all take a few steps back and realise the ramifications:
-The main presentator of EVE-TV is a BoB player (yay for neutral and objective news!)
-Copy-paste from a PRIVATE forum (we publicly promote underhanded tacticts).
-Didn't give a chance to Cyvok to post his own good-bye thread (we don't respect and show any sort of sportmanship).

Griefs, lies, petty insults, disrespect is what on the menu these days...
Well I don't like this, regardless of my alliance TAG, I urge players and leaders of great alliance to rethink some of their ethos. Lighten up your rhetoric, remove the HATE :)

What about playing clean and handling BOTH victory and defeat with grace, style and dignity?

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Ah young weebear, if only it was only on your forums ;)

dbp

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Originally by: King Fury

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Yeah it cuts both ways and you are on the end of a barrage of abuse also, but your (thats BoB not just DBP) forum tyrade on the afore-mentioned individuals was unnecessary, you could have still "won" without even stepping foot on the forums, so please CCP please make the forums a nice place again, before more valued members of the community gets bullied out of the game.

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Originally by: Zajo

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Ok, fair enough you might wish to stir things up. You want EVE to be interesting. You take on your ingame mask and disregard out of game feelings etc. All that is fine to be honest. I might not always agree with what people do or say and there are times when I get really angry/sad/hurt etc about it. Give it time and that feeling fades away though. Wanting to roleplay and be "someone else" ingame is fine, no one can tell you not too but yourself and your conscience.

But ..

If you want to apologise do it for the right thing.
You are not sorry for posting his blogg, you are sorry for doing a mistake and posting with your main. Now if I am wrong Spiral, I am sorry for jumping to this conclusion but it is easy to missunderstand your post.

Please tell me Spiral, would you have apologised if you succesfully posted with your alt?

I do not judge what you did and I wont tell you if it was moraly, respectfully, ethicaly etc right or wrong. What I ask of you though, as from anyone who apologise, is to do it right and be honset about what you really think.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/12/2006 15:30:02

Originally by: King Fury

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Yeah it cuts both ways and you are on the end of a barrage of abuse also, but your (thats BoB not just DBP) forum tyrade on the afore-mentioned individuals was unnecessary, you could have still "won" without even stepping foot on the forums, so please CCP please make the forums a nice place again, before more valued members of the community gets bullied out of the game.

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He didn't get bullied out of the game, he left in a strop, throw his toys out of the pram because he has been beaten in a war.

From the very start of this war, CYVOK has accused us of everything I mentioned above. Whether he did it here or only to those within ASCN, he deserves nothing but contempt.

Anyone backing such a player should look long and hard at two things.

1) How would you react if you went to war with an alliance and rl issues were constantly being utilised in an attempt to smear you, while you concentrated purely on ingame realities?

Look back over our weekly posts, they comment on INGAME actions and retort comments made by the ASCN HC OOG.

2) If someone is shown to be a rl bully and decides to leave because he has been beaten through ingame actions, does that make the people playing the game bullies as well?

Lastly,

Who cares? From the moment we attacked ingame, CYVOK attacked us irl.

I for one am glad to be rid of such players and maybe our next opponents will simply fight us without resorting to oog attacks.

dbp

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Originally by: Toranya Faidutti

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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You're implying that I knew spiralJunkie was male, please don't jump to assumptions.

End of threadjack, if you've still got further asinine arguments to throw at me, do it in game please.

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Wow, it's that hard to admit you're wrong, is it? Guess you are neither a man nor a woman then, by your own criteria.

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Originally by: King Fury

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So you all done with ASCN now?

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