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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:28:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Teamosil wrote:We just need another big null sec war so the nullsecers have something fun to do out there instead of hassling newbies out of boredom. If the alliances won't do it on their own, CCP needs to think up ways to make them fight. Make SOV cost more to maintain the longer you hold it, or make it more expensive the more of it you control to encourage the big alliances to break up into factions that might fight one another. Introduce rare, and very valuable, resources that appear just in one area of null sec for a while, then move somewhere else so they have a reason to try to take one anothers' space. Make capital ships cheaper, but require maintenance that steadily increases over the life of the ship so they have less of an incentive to keep them out of harms way. I don't know the solution, both those are the lines along which CCP should be thinking- how do we make more null sec wars.
The nullsecers are right that eve needs more pvp, but they are completely wrong about the kind of pvp it needs. We don't need more ridiculously unmatched pvp with experienced players piloting combat ships blowing up inexperienced players in industrial ships, we need more actual pvp where roughly equal opponents clash. Not sure a new major war would fix things in 0.0 but I agree with some of your proposals of making sov bill prices in direct relation with the number of systems you possess. I would go as far as throwing the size of your blue list in there to. The more blues you have the more expensive it should get. How about also, the more supers and titans you have in your alliance, the more expensive your sov bill becomes  ?
Punishing people for working together and achieving some long term goal, does not seem reasonable. |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
Gryphon League
8
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:30:00 -
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I've lived in Null sec a few times. each time it was boring waiting for fleets to show up , flying the ships that the FC's want you to fly. a whole lot of hurry up and wait for not much action. You feel like you have to log on for any planned op. Everybody is competing for the battleship rats trying to make a little isk whenever you get the chance, mission agents if they are available at all are limited. Each time my corp or alliance was a renter from a larger alliance, which worked more or less for a short time but the renter arrangements usually end and you have to try to fly anything you have managed to take out there out through hostile space. Always have to coordinate supply runs for any thing you need to buy. My corp is out there again, I'm not with them, its just not worth the hassle. Give me a nice hisec war or factional war or a roam through some losec systems anyday. If you start limiting what ships I can fly or what modules I can equip on my ships, my gameplay because I don't live in Null-sec, screw you I'm taking my sub and I'm going home. No you can't have my stuff I'll sell it all cash out and give it to my corp. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
148
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:34:00 -
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Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:36:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.
or largest blob which will block out the sun composed of high sec dwellers under the flag of skilled Fleet Commanders
Carebear fleet
Battleships 12k and counting
Logistics 2,5k and counting
carriers 1k and counting
support 10k and counting |
Velicitia
Open Designs
195
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:56:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space. or largest blob which will block out the sun composed of high sec dwellers under the flag of skilled Fleet Commanders Carebear fleet Battleships 12k and counting Logistics 2,5k and counting carriers 1k and counting support 10k and counting
so ...
you'll fight in the shade?  |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:34:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:[/quote]
Punishing people for working together and achieving some long term goal, does not seem reasonable. [/quote]
I dont see this as a punishment. People would still work together and have long term goals. It would just get harder the bigger you get. |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate
True Reign
99
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:52:00 -
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what is the OPs main post in this threads point? at first it was a question, then it changed into an opinion , and ended in a rant.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
66
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:57:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Punishing people for working together and achieving some long term goal, does not seem reasonable.
I don't know that it is punishing them. Seems like that would be a good way to make null sec less dull. The most beneficial path should be aligned with the most challenging and fun gameplay. The problem right now, IMO, is that there isn't really anything for them to gain by doing anything hard in the game. They already control more systems than they really know what to do with, so no point in fighting each other. It just leaves them to try to kill time hassling nubs. IMO CCP should find ways to make null sec war have more of an impact on their bottom lines than hassling nubs does. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:04:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:what is the OPs main post in this threads point? at first it was a question, then it changed into an opinion , and ended in a rant.
We are brainstorming here!  |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
148
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:08:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:I dont see this as a punishment. People would still work together and have long term goals. It would just get harder the bigger you get.
This idea has been tried in the past with the introduction of big sov costs in Dominion (10 mil to cynojam a system a day, 5 mil a day for a jump bridge, etc). All it did was create large tracts of dead space where any 'small alliance' that tried to settle in got stomped on remorselessly. Null has yet to recover from the effects of depopulation and stagnation that arbitrary space-holdership costs introduced. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:09:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:I dont see this as a punishment. People would still work together and have long term goals. It would just get harder the bigger you get. This idea has been tried in the past with the introduction of big sov costs in Dominion (10 mil to cynojam a system a day, 5 mil a day for a jump bridge, etc). All it did was create large tracts of dead space where any 'small alliance' that tried to settle in got stomped on remorselessly. Null has yet to recover from the effects of depopulation and stagnation that arbitrary space-holdership costs introduced.
Give me back my sanctums. And you will see null flooded with carebears again |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
467
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:18:00 -
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"What's with the obsession with highsec'ers!"
Play has they wish for the time they can spend on specialz boulz importantz internetz spaceshipz gamez |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
286
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:50:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:one way i can understand your point about reporting them or shooting them, but lets say there is a burglar operating in the neigberhood you are living in and one night he gets caught and it turns out to be your friend , do you call the police or do you let him go so he can continue to burgle the whole neigberhood clean
Wrong analogy. The right analogy would be, you find your friend in your house, do you shoot him in the ******* face then and there in case he is a burglar (what if your house was on fire but you hadn't noticed because you were asleep or what the **** ever? "Whoops. My bad. I'll buy you a new face.") or do you call the cops and tell them you know someone who might be a burglar so they can investigate and deal with the situation as necessary? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
286
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:01:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Not sure a new major war would fix things in 0.0 but I agree with some of your proposals of making sov bill prices in direct relation with the number of systems you possess. I would go as far as throwing the size of your blue list in there to. The more blues you have the more expensive it should get.
ahahahahaha
hahaha
haaaahahahaa
I love it whenever this suggestion crops up, it's such a classic.
Yes, let's make SOV costs dependent on systems owned and blues lists.
- Huh, that's odd, there sure are a lot of alliances with very similar names with a holding corp and lots of systems.
- Oh hey, what's this weird thing they do of having just temp blues when fights are going down? That's odd.
Dragon Outlaw wrote:How about also, the more supers and titans you have in your alliance, the more expensive your sov bill becomes ?
"Hmm. That's odd. Where did all these NPC titans and supercarriers come from? It is a mystery." |
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
5
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:08:00 -
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F*ck you, and the high-sec horse you rode in on.
Yopp |
Connaght Badasaz
Phobos Defense Initiative
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:12:00 -
[136] - Quote
yopparai wrote:F*ck you, and the high-sec horse you rode in on.
Yopp
Not all that bright, are ya? |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:44:00 -
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If nullsec is as a terrible as people say in that is boring and stagnating, then the best option would just simply let nullsec collapse and die.
When Nullsec is dead, CCP can clean out the mess and create a new and better nullsec and people can come back and create something new.
Just like how God cleansed the world with the Flood. |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:41:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:If nullsec is as a terrible as people say in that is boring and stagnating, then the best option would just simply let nullsec collapse and die.
When Nullsec is dead, CCP can clean out the mess and create a new and better nullsec and people can come back and create something new.
Just like how God cleansed the world with the Flood.
One does wonder sometimes.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
191
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:46:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:pussnheels wrote:one way i can understand your point about reporting them or shooting them, but lets say there is a burglar operating in the neigberhood you are living in and one night he gets caught and it turns out to be your friend , do you call the police or do you let him go so he can continue to burgle the whole neigberhood clean Wrong analogy. The right analogy would be, you find your friend in your house, do you shoot him in the ******* face then and there in case he is a burglar (what if your house was on fire but you hadn't noticed because you were asleep or what the **** ever? "Whoops. My bad. I'll buy you a new face.") or do you call the cops and tell them you know someone who might be a burglar so they can investigate and deal with the situation as necessary?
umm, those are your views , sadly enough my english isn't that good to give a witty response , but my point was and still is that botting , either high sec mining bots or nullsec ratting bots is against the EULA and go against the spirit of the game you and I and many other love , we all know when left unchecked they can kill even the best MMO so it is the responsibility of us ALL to do something against them , no matter who the person is even if you caught your own ceo or alliance leader it is still your responsibillity to combat them , either reporting them or killing them over and over again
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
62
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:30:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.
You shat your bed, now sleep in it.
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
62
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:32:00 -
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yopparai wrote:F*ck you, and the high-sec horse you rode in on.
Yopp
The brain, it is weak in this one...
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
153
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:34:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space. You shat your bed, now sleep in it. The pen is mightier then the sword.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
62
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Posted - 2011.12.15 00:39:00 -
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Mistress Motion wrote:Big part of nullsec dwellers don't know crap about pvp. They just think nullsec is "endgame" like raiding molten core was when they ragequit their wow playground.
Is it really "endgame" to sit in alpha fleets and press f1? And cry about anom nerfs?
^^This.
In any case, the real end-game of EVE is higher-end (class 3+) wormhole-space.
No sov.
No blues.
No Supercaps.
No bots.
No local/no intel-channels.
You can have your (broken, stagnant, increasingly pointless) end-game, just keep your grubby, greedy paws off of mine, that's all I ask. Not such an unreasonable thing, in what's supposed to be an open-world sandbox, yes?
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1050
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Posted - 2011.12.15 03:02:00 -
[144] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:In any case, the real end-game of EVE is higher-end (class 3+) wormhole-space.
lol...no. Wormholes in Eve are ezmode for anti-social losers who can't hack fleet combat.
Everybody knows the real end-game is forum wars.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
66
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Posted - 2011.12.15 05:31:00 -
[145] - Quote
There is no end game. That's the whole point of the game. You never beat the final boss because there is no final boss. |
Ethereal 3600
665 Almost Evil
Serenity.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:23:00 -
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your all getting off topic its gone from y are we hating on hi sec players to 0.0 alliances and there cap ships
its very simple eve have a few problems with its hi sec pvp rules that peope are takeing every advantage of sheerly for kicks
example-- y do you get inshurance when the police kill you
yes 0.0 also has its ishues like there is almost 0 real home field advantage so to defend against a blob requires a blob or a slightly smaller blob thats better planned
point being the combo if a few minor easy to fix ishues in both hi sec and 0.0 is causing a much larger problem but all we can do is keep giving our sugestions and hope they use the right ones
no matter how much you dont like it hi sec ganking is a part of the game granted its a bit out of control atm and it needs to be fixed you cant totaly remove it
pluss it gives us good guys someone to hate lol y make money if i cant blow something up with it lol
and for the record im a 4 year player i spent 6 mounths in 0.0 and i prefer hi sec and indy to pvp |
Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
22
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:28:00 -
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boredom
It's what happens when you got everybody blue
Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat -¬ |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1051
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Posted - 2011.12.15 06:40:00 -
[148] - Quote
Ethereal 3600 wrote:y do you get inshurance when the police kill you
You don't.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sealiah
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
1
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Posted - 2011.12.15 08:56:00 -
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I think your problem here is that you don't fully understand the differance between two groups of people residing in 0.0.
Group 1: they want to hold sov, pvp, pve, breathe with their sov owned 0.0. And that's cool. They use high sec markets to supply their own, but apart from that, usually they are self sufficient and happy to stay there. Occasionally go roam (sometimes occasionally means every day). They play their own game with other people who play the same game - its the sov warfare group of all sizes. From 100-man alliances working on their own, threw powerblocks, alliances like TEST or goons down to renter alliances like shadow of xxdeathxx or something like that. That is a huge group of people who mainly play their game with other people who play their game. Goons are a bit of an exception here since they are a bit ******** and venture into high to blow up miners, but lets put them here any way.
Group 2: People who rage because not everyone want to play their sov game. Instead of them playing the sov game with others who play it, they channel their rage onto people who don't play the sov game. They venture into high and kill those, who don't join. It's more or less like a crusade made by christians. They go from their own land and venture into someones elses and kill everyone who doesn't join, no matter the consequences. They kill for christianity, no matter how stupid it is to kill for a probably non-existant cause. Especially if the cause actually is against killing innocent people. It's exactly like with sov warfare where they want to take part in sov warfare but somehow land in space that has nothing to do with it. No matter if you call it griefing, pirating, lame, heroic, profitable or just plan annoying. It happens. It's going to happen and there is nothing anyone can do about it except paying them back with their own coin - what they are usually counting on (at least usually)...
And you kow what? Ther's nothing you can do about it, because it's a sandbox and their are playing within the sandbox rules. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2011.12.15 10:53:00 -
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Null-sec blobs are like the preppy kids of eve. |
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