People who are obsessed with being able to shoot high sec ppl is because of 2 reasons, 1) you fail badly at pvp and can't shoot proper papers in low sec and nullsec 2) the game itself is lacking other ways to pvp. Go learn to pvp proper instead of trying to get lame easy kills!

are you guys in 0.0 also talking about something else as about highsec? i know its nice and all but 0.0 is ok too... isn't it?

No get lost! I'm not an highseccer idiot

So the 'crusade' against High Sec isn't so much inspired by High Sec action as much as forced by lack of options against Null Sec and Low Sec?

"There's just nothing else we can do, so we'll kill miners!"

Until some High Sec miners get a little more organized and better at turning the tables, that is... even the bots can participate as bait for anti-gank gank, right?

Seriously what is up with you people, I am not an highsec person, mainly low sec and 0.0, so I just do get it, why your obsessed, it's almost becoming like a witch hunt .

You play your game let them play theirs for god sake. Everyone in low, high, o.o exploit the game mechanics to fulfil their sandbox!
People who are obsessed with being able to shoot high sec ppl is because of 2 reasons, 1) you fail badly at pvp and can't shoot proper papers in low sec and nullsec 2) the game itself is lacking other ways to pvp. Go learn to pvp proper instead of trying to get lame easy kills!

If you want to complain, then blame ccp they develop the mechanics, ppl shouldn't be forced to go into low sec or null sec, however they should only have access to the very basic items. The prob is null sec is control wholly by blob alliances, normal ppl don't have a chance to make it in nullsec, so why go? Eve has become totally saturated, and some drastic and massive changes need to be made to the game before anyone will move out of highsec. The problem is tis one world scenario it's all good. But when the games is 8 years old and the old players and alliance s have a massive advantage over newer players, it's a serious problem.
For example

Recruitment is impossible now
You Can't live in nullsec unless you outrageous rental fees or become a pet
You will never ever own another expensive moon becusse the powerbloc alliances know where every single one is and defend it with massive numbers with theirs. Allies.
you can't live in nullsec because you just get your stuff blown up immediately
Alliances own every station, and even control thenpc regions, so they live in npc, but control the sov, and actually don't bother living in the region they own wtf!!!

Until ccp takes a serious look at the game, and make big game changes, and resolve the massive imbalance then ppl won't go anywhere, and I don't blame then

You are a perfect example of everything wrong with this game. Nothing in EVE should be changed to accommodate lazy people. Every powerbloc alliance in this game started with 1 guy (or a few) who decided to (against all odds) take initiative and make things happen. It has taken several years of playing, developing contacts, learning, and fighting to get where they are let alone keep it from falling like a house of cards. CCP should not change ANYTHING to unjustly undo all the years of hard work the powerblocs put in just to appease idiots like yourself. Get over it.

Give me your stuff.

You are a perfect example of everything wrong with this game. Nothing in EVE should be changed to accommodate lazy people. Every powerbloc alliance in this game started with 1 guy (or a few) who decided to (against all odds) take initiative and make things happen. It has taken several years of playing, developing contacts, learning, and fighting to get where they are let alone keep it from falling like a house of cards. CCP should not change ANYTHING to unjustly undo all the years of hard work the powerblocs put in just to appease idiots like yourself. Get over it.

i laughted at this one. Mainly because it was a statement and not a question.





Ok i like highsec because its EVE on easy mode. i am literally pissing isk down my leg i have so much of it. Everything is risk free and its just great. I dont really like PvP unless im in the biggest blob, but to be honest i make so much isk that i just pay no lifer mercs to do my killing for me.

If my wallet gets any bigger i will just buy Jita

Bring the hate

i laughted at this one. Mainly because it was a statement and not a question.


Ok i like highsec because its EVE on easy mode. i am literally pissing isk down my leg i have so much of it. Everything is risk free and its just great. I dont really like PvP unless im in the biggest blob, but to be honest i make so much isk that i just pay no lifer mercs to do my killing for me.

If my wallet gets any bigger i will just buy Jita

Bring the hate

the obvious solution is to make moon goo random per week .

hm yes tearing down and putting back up every moon mining pos in null every week sounds like amazing fun

I just have problems with people that whine and ***** about **** not being the way they want it instead of coming up with constructive ideas in the features and ideas forum.

You must be disgusted with your fellow null whiners then.

Aww didums got to work for those billions?

POS's don't maintain and defend themselves scrub

I have no issues with anybody playing the game the way they want. I just have problems with people that whine and ***** about **** not being the way they want it instead of coming up with constructive ideas in the features and ideas forum.

High sec ganking has been there all along. Its just advertised right now. Null has gotten so boring that they have nothing else to do..

Comparing null to highsec is like comparing the autobahn to an American freeway. On the autobahn you can drive as fast as you want, but you cannot let yourself get complacent because others will drive just as fast. If you make a mistake you will likely pay for it. On a freeway there is a preset, regulatory speed limit. Most drivers, which we will call "carebears", will adhere to this law. That does not mean it isn't possible to drive faster.

In fact, those who do drive faster without getting caught by police will have a relatively easy trip as they work their way around the slower cars. This defines two different methods of "playing it smart" - the autobahn driver or nullsec dweller, who only has to worry about those around him and his own capabilities - and the Freeway driver or carebear, who has to assess the risk and push himself appropriately.

The point of this reply is that both people, the null players and the highsec players, have to pick their battles. No battle is more justified than the other. It depends on your preference in gameplay and you have to take what you can get.

There's also the question of environment. Don't attempt autobahn speeds on an American freeway. They (the freeways) are pooly built and barely maintained.
YOU
WILL
DIE.

Also, I approve of removing all moongoo and shaking it up so all the big alliances dont monopolise the whole thing and just get ever richer, randomise it weekly as to where the r64 and r32 moons switch

This ^

But, its their own god damn fault for being gigantic pussies and blueballing every alliance within 50 jumps. Trouble is, the nullbears chest beat about their awesomeness and their sov blah blah when in fact, they are just as **** scared of real fights hence the blueballing. If they were not a bunch nullbears they'd be millions of wrecks daily, but no, all talk..

Also, I approve of removing all moongoo and shaking it up so all the big alliances dont monopolise the whole thing and just get ever richer, randomise it weekly as to where the r64 and r32 moons switch

Oh, and you need bots. Lots and lots of bots.

[Cliche'd, generic null-lemming crap]

/enjoyingthisthread

Null sec sucks. 1 jump into null sec and it's GATE CAMPS GALORE!!!!.......

[butthurt over the truth being spoken for once]

Remember, when you assume things it makes an ass out of you and me.
So, stop it.

Blue nullbears are bored.

Need freshmeat to kill.

Surprised when meat doesn't want to be killed.

Blue nullbears are bored.

Need freshmeat to kill.

Surprised when meat doesn't want to be killed.

I am a highsec player and I dont want to be in a PvP environment 24/7 and be reliant on other players, a corp or alliance politics to do my stuff in this game, I want to be free and choose for myself and NOT join PvP stuff.

Why would CCP want to scare carebears into 0.0?

Actually that depends on whether or not the ganker brings enough damage to finish the gank before concord pops by.

Ganking high-sec'ers is not PvP.

After having fought real people in real wars, pvp in any game is a joke. I don't have time to deal with asshats in a corp, and I don't want to feel obligated to log in because i have to.

I pretty much want to do my own thing and not be bothered. Time is the most important resource, why should I spend my time grinding isk to get a boat that someone may pop because they are bored? Their boredom cost me time. Is it a pvp game? Could be I suppose. I play when I feel like it, sometines not for months. This character is nearly a year old with barely over 2m sp. And it's not my first character.

Other characters I have had lived in null. X'ing up was fun. The first time. 20 folks to pop a ratting cruiser. WOW WHAT A RUSH.

I play when I want and how I want. I watch my wallet flash, then I spend it on random skill or boat and do random things. I can pvp a bit, probe a bit, or mission/salvage a bit. I took an Executioner with a ghetto tackle fit into low/null. And found it devoid of habitation. Fun, let me tell you.

I do what I do because I want to. Goal? Most likely on any given day, I don't have one. I just do what I do because I want to.

Don't flatter yourself. They're simply better than you ever will be.
Until you start taking an active role to stop whatever they're doing that's making you mad, they will continue to be better than you. The tools are already in the game to take a piece of that pie, but you're bitching and moaning like a little school girl instead.

Give me your stuff when you decide to quit.

What are you taking about here? You quoted me about the bot ( which at least one post in every thread is REQUIRED to have by the way) and then start talking about pies. What does that even mean? Who is better at what?

Actually, I'vee been known to post when I've been drinking too....

Its Player VS Player interaction. So yes it is PvP.

Bigger/richer =/= better, lemming. Now who's assuming?

(you're a dumbfuck)

Then it is a cowardly way to do PvP.

If 0.0 think they deserve better and more than anybody else, I have a proposal:
Make a premium membership for people who want to join 0.0 which costs twice the amount of fees or Plexes. If you dont have your shiny gold membership you cant jump into 0.0
In that case I might understand why CCP does so much for 0.0 and boosts their income at every opportunity.

How is that for starters?.

And every subscriber deserves some love and sympathy from the Devs, because every subscriber pays an equal monthly fee.

If 0.0 think they deserve better and more than anybody else, I have a proposal:
Make a premium membership for people who want to join 0.0 which costs twice the amount of fees or Plexes. If you dont have your shiny gold membership you cant jump into 0.0
In that case I might understand why CCP does so much for 0.0 and boosts their income at every opportunity.

How is that for starters?

And seriously I have played enough games in my time and know every role in an MMO, I credit big corp and alliance leaders as well as great fleet commanders for their work and expertize, but the normal 0.0 player who rolls with the crowd certainly doesnt play this game better or more fully (who came up with that term anyway?) than the average highsecer.
Its just a DIFFERENT playstyle, nothing more nothing less.

While this is a nice thought, and something which I would've been in agreement with just 2 years ago, sometimes something just needs much more attention for a period of time because it has either been neglected for too long, or it's just gone down the completely wrong path, and is in danger of ruining a whole part of the game. See FW as an example which isn't nullsec.

lol wut

We are hungry! We must feed!

yeah I totally didn't read the thread but I assume this about highsec ganking?

Hell yes of course, but there is also a difference between improving one part of the game to make its unique playstyle more attractive and interesting and just rediculously boosting rewards and income of one part of the game and at the same time taking features away from other parts of the game that benefit a different playstyle. For me thats not improving the game overall but cutting away from the sandbox.

High sec ganking has been there all along. Its just advertised right now. Null has gotten so boring that they have nothing else to do. Null sec pilots seem to be grossly misinformed about high sec dwellers too since they think high sec is so easy. I'm thinking these pilots actually have little experience outside of the pvp game play they currently do. They can't seem to get their heads around the idea that people may play EVE differently than they do. They am afeered o anything they aint seen b'fore.

Null has gotten boring because its been split between 2 big monopolies that decided botting is more fun. They don't want any actual wars because they're too busy wallet stuffing, so they send their members to fight miners because thats fun. Sure it is. Soon enough the southern end of the map will be closed off and that would effectively end EVE since the bulk of the map will no longer be accessable unless you like servitude to the 2 blocks.

That's why they're killing miners.

Wow dumbfuck is actually not in the swear filter. Now THAT is a discovery worth noting.

Why?
Highsecers are the forbidden fruit of eve.
Don't eat that apple.....

You are a perfect example of everything wrong with this game. Nothing in EVE should be changed to accommodate lazy people. Every powerbloc alliance in this game started with 1 guy (or a few) who decided to (against all odds) take initiative and make things happen. It has taken several years of playing, developing contacts, learning, and fighting to get where they are let alone keep it from falling like a house of cards. CCP should not change ANYTHING to unjustly undo all the years of hard work the powerblocs put in just to appease idiots like yourself. Get over it.

My venting like a douchebag makes me feel better about myself. So **** off!

My venting like a douchebag makes me feel better about myself. So **** off!

My name is Surge...would you like an espresso...with a twist of lemon?

Comparing null to highsec is like comparing the autobahn to an American freeway. On the autobahn you can drive as fast as you want, but you cannot let yourself get complacent because others will drive just as fast. If you make a mistake you will likely pay for it. On a freeway there is a preset, regulatory speed limit. Most drivers, which we will call "carebears", will adhere to this law. That does not mean it isn't possible to drive faster.

In fact, those who do drive faster without getting caught by police will have a relatively easy trip as they work their way around the slower cars. This defines two different methods of "playing it smart" - the autobahn driver or nullsec dweller, who only has to worry about those around him and his own capabilities - and the Freeway driver or carebear, who has to assess the risk and push himself appropriately.

The point of this reply is that both people, the null players and the highsec players, have to pick their battles. No battle is more justified than the other. It depends on your preference in gameplay and you have to take what you can get.

There's no way I'd join one of those big fuckwit clubs in nullsec.

And I don't see anyone organised enough to disrupt their circle jerking.

Hence I live in highsec/lowsec.

But maybe terrorism could give some satisfaction? Might do some reconaissance. Sneak a few jumps into null and blow their stuff up where they think it's safe.

The OP exactly points out what is wrong with this game in the last few months , too many so call pvpers and nullsec assholes thinking that their way of playing this game is the only way it should be played and all other players with a different view do not belong in this game and therefore should be griefed till they give up

Why you low/null guys are so obsessed with how high sec players.

(1) Take away the bubbles that effectively ringfence nullzone.

(2) Take away JB's...

AND OPEN UP THE DAMN PIPES ! Make folks have to use them again... both to get in, and out. Let's get everyone's adrenaline flowing again...

/enjoyingthisthread

Null sec sucks. 1 jump into null sec and it's GATE CAMPS GALORE!!!!.......

Griefing is against the ToS and you should report anybody doing it.

So is botting , and since you are a member of a alliance that refuses to report bots and has been accused of botting themselves ona large scale , your statement sounds a bit hollow and hypocrite,... don't you think ?

Big part of nullsec dwellers don't know crap about pvp. They just think nullsec is "endgame" like raiding molten core was when they ragequit their wow playground.

Is it really "endgame" to sit in alpha fleets and press f1?

The thing pussnheels is thinking about is that the policy is to not go about shooting blues which we suspect are botting. That doesn't change the fact that nothing is stopping anyone from reporting them.

One policy implies lots of potential extra work for diplos, and is banned. The other policy implies that CCP take care of policing their own game. I'll let you choose which solution sounds fair.

>"What's with the obsession with highsec'ers!!"


MANY high-sec dwelling people gravitates around mining and running missions. This proves to be vain in the long run. Mining is weak ISK revenue and general progression while running missions gets you nowhere tangible. Let me tell you about that lame LP store fancy gear you still have to fork ISK to get.

These people engage in such activities because it seam logical to them. The way the tutorial handles ppl and so on... They can go mining! It's easy and makes money? Let's go that way. Running missions is combat, right? I'll be awesome once I get a shiny fancy battleship full of tech 2 mods, right?

Soon or late, they figure out how boring and pointless this all is and quit the game. It seam to take 7 months, more or less.

They need to wake the **** up. EVE isn't about standing with NPC corps and sure as hell isn't about earning a paltry from mining rocks.

We need to shoot at these people. Then, they'll either wake up and get going proper or quit the game so theres one less lemming to handle later on.

Because we're f*cking dumb. :) We load up our ships with all sorts of expensive goodies.

I was ganked the other day, in my Viator, one shot by a Tornado. I lost 2.7B ISK in cargo.

I'm not complaining though. Fair dinkum. I made myself a tasty target. Sucked to lose that much ISK, for sure. I'm nearly broke now. But I only have myself to blame.

I still love this f*cking game, though!

We just need another big null sec war so the nullsecers have something fun to do out there instead of hassling newbies out of boredom. If the alliances won't do it on their own, CCP needs to think up ways to make them fight. Make SOV cost more to maintain the longer you hold it, or make it more expensive the more of it you control to encourage the big alliances to break up into factions that might fight one another. Introduce rare, and very valuable, resources that appear just in one area of null sec for a while, then move somewhere else so they have a reason to try to take one anothers' space. Make capital ships cheaper, but require maintenance that steadily increases over the life of the ship so they have less of an incentive to keep them out of harms way. I don't know the solution, both those are the lines along which CCP should be thinking- how do we make more null sec wars.

The nullsecers are right that eve needs more pvp, but they are completely wrong about the kind of pvp it needs. We don't need more ridiculously unmatched pvp with experienced players piloting combat ships blowing up inexperienced players in industrial ships, we need more actual pvp where roughly equal opponents clash.

Not sure a new major war would fix things in 0.0 but I agree with some of your proposals of making sov bill prices in direct relation with the number of systems you possess. I would go as far as throwing the size of your blue list in there to. The more blues you have the more expensive it should get. How about also, the more supers and titans you have in your alliance, the more expensive your sov bill becomes?

Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.

or largest blob which will block out the sun composed of high sec dwellers under the flag of skilled Fleet Commanders

Carebear fleet

Battleships 12k and counting
Logistics 2,5k and counting
carriers 1k and counting
support 10k and counting

Punishing people for working together and achieving some long term goal, does not seem reasonable.

what is the OPs main post in this threads point? at first it was a question, then it changed into an opinion , and ended in a rant.

I dont see this as a punishment. People would still work together and have long term goals. It would just get harder the bigger you get.

This idea has been tried in the past with the introduction of big sov costs in Dominion (10 mil to cynojam a system a day, 5 mil a day for a jump bridge, etc). All it did was create large tracts of dead space where any 'small alliance' that tried to settle in got stomped on remorselessly. Null has yet to recover from the effects of depopulation and stagnation that arbitrary space-holdership costs introduced.

one way i can understand your point about reporting them or shooting them, but lets say there is a burglar operating in the neigberhood you are living in and one night he gets caught and it turns out to be your friend , do you call the police or do you let him go so he can continue to burgle the whole neigberhood clean

Not sure a new major war would fix things in 0.0 but I agree with some of your proposals of making sov bill prices in direct relation with the number of systems you possess. I would go as far as throwing the size of your blue list in there to. The more blues you have the more expensive it should get.

How about also, the more supers and titans you have in your alliance, the more expensive your sov bill becomes?

F*ck you, and the high-sec horse you rode in on.

Yopp

If nullsec is as a terrible as people say in that is boring and stagnating, then the best option would just simply let nullsec collapse and die.

When Nullsec is dead, CCP can clean out the mess and create a new and better nullsec and people can come back and create something new.

Just like how God cleansed the world with the Flood.

Wrong analogy. The right analogy would be, you find your friend in your house, do you shoot him in the ******* face then and there in case he is a burglar (what if your house was on fire but you hadn't noticed because you were asleep or what the **** ever? "Whoops. My bad. I'll buy you a new face.") or do you call the cops and tell them you know someone who might be a burglar so they can investigate and deal with the situation as necessary?

Nothing will revitalize nullsec like the promise of paying gigantic bills for building up fleets and capturing space.

F*ck you, and the high-sec horse you rode in on.

Yopp

You shat your bed, now sleep in it.

Big part of nullsec dwellers don't know crap about pvp. They just think nullsec is "endgame" like raiding molten core was when they ragequit their wow playground.

Is it really "endgame" to sit in alpha fleets and press f1? And cry about anom nerfs?

In any case, the real end-game of EVE is higher-end (class 3+) wormhole-space.

y do you get inshurance when the police kill you

No blues.
No bots.

umm, those are your views , sadly enough my english isn't that good to give a witty response , but my point was and still is that botting , either high sec mining bots or nullsec ratting bots is against the EULA and go against the spirit of the game you and I and many other love , we all know when left unchecked they can kill even the best MMO so it is the responsibility of us ALL to do something against them , no matter who the person is even if you caught your own ceo or alliance leader it is still your responsibillity to combat them , either reporting them or killing them over and over again

[Wormholes in Eve are ezmode for anti-social losers who can't hack fleet combat.
Everybody knows the real end-game is forum wars.

That's funny.

Because pressing F1 on command in alphabetical order is such a paragon of applied skill and experience, innit.

First Lieutenant Dan is an awesome person. I try to like everything he posts, but I get nervous watching my mouse hover over the like button, so I eventually give up. He deserves candy.

Because Scanning, Warping, Targeting Sleepers, and Pushing F1 is harder?

That's funny.

Alright, seriously now:

Why?

lol...no. Wormholes in Eve are ezmode for anti-social losers who can't hack fleet combat.
Everybody knows the real end-game is forum wars.

nullsec becomes stagnant, empty and somewhat boring - this is not helped by the sov game mechanics but there are plenty of posts on thsi.

I think your problem here is that you don't fully understand the differance between two groups of people residing in 0.0.

Group 1: they want to hold sov, pvp, pve, breathe with their sov owned 0.0. And that's cool. They use high sec markets to supply their own, but apart from that, usually they are self sufficient and happy to stay there. Occasionally go roam (sometimes occasionally means every day). They play their own game with other people who play the same game - its the sov warfare group of all sizes. From 100-man alliances working on their own, threw powerblocks, alliances like TEST or goons down to renter alliances like shadow of xxdeathxx or something like that. That is a huge group of people who mainly play their game with other people who play their game. Goons are a bit of an exception here since they are a bit ******** and venture into high to blow up miners, but lets put them here any way.

Group 2: People who rage because not everyone want to play their sov game. Instead of them playing the sov game with others who play it, they channel their rage onto people who don't play the sov game. They venture into high and kill those, who don't join. It's more or less like a crusade made by christians. They go from their own land and venture into someones elses and kill everyone who doesn't join, no matter the consequences. They kill for christianity, no matter how stupid it is to kill for a probably non-existant cause. Especially if the cause actually is against killing innocent people. It's exactly like with sov warfare where they want to take part in sov warfare but somehow land in space that has nothing to do with it. No matter if you call it griefing, pirating, lame, heroic, profitable or just plan annoying. It happens. It's going to happen and there is nothing anyone can do about it except paying them back with their own coin - what they are usually counting on (at least usually)...

And you kow what? Ther's nothing you can do about it, because it's a sandbox and their are playing within the sandbox rules.

The "obsession with high sec" people can be summarized simply.

People outside high sec wan to be able to shoot them. People in high sec don't want to be shot.

Not sure if serious?

If so, then you are an idiot.

100% serious. WH "enthusiasts" are almost as bad as roleplayers.

100% serious. WH "enthusiasts" are almost as bad as roleplayers.

why you low/null guys are so obsessed with how high sec players are, it's almost becoming like a witch hunt .

Thats good. I dont know why someone things its actually bad or wrong. Its totally fine. They own mind is ****** by this sentence and the reaction follows.

And nullsec "enthusiasts" are as bad as the bitchiest of hisec carebears...Hey, waaaaaaaaiiiitaminnit...