Gierling
Gallente
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.15 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gierling on 15/12/2006 03:38:29
First off to clear up something
STEVE= S.upreme T.actical E.fficacy VE.hicle
Anyhow aside from the story gubbinness...
I think it really comes down to playstyle, whats tolerated and what organizational differences arise therein.
BOB are professionals, They play the game hard and demand a certain degree of participation. They are focused and determined and they pay thier money to be part of a competitive enterprise that performs well in the "sport" they choose.
ASCN is by and large Casual players, they log on they make some jokes and frankly most of us pay our subs more for the pleasant company on teamspeak and the good bunch of folk to joke around with.
There are exceptions of course and this is not an ultimate guide (There are many ASCN members who like competing, and I'm sure that the bobbits enjoy thier time together.) but it is a good look at the bedrock values.
Both are perfectly valid organizational structures for a recreational organization (I don't think even Blacklight will disagree that corps are at heart recreational organizations). However they do have natural results as well. These result organically from the primary focus of the organizations.
Anyhow I do not presupposse to know who will win, only that it will be a long drawn out process.
As far as why don't people step in and stop Bob, well its complicated. PArt of it is that I don't think anyone ever really understood Cyvok (and thus ASCN's Diplomacy). He really takes the organization seriously, we are his friends and he'd do anything for his friends. (I'm not kidding, if I lost my job tomorrow and had no place to live I have no doubt Cy would be there for me as much as my friends I grew up with).
Of course for all of his organizational talents, and all of his personal affability Cyvok was also a horrible communicator. If you knew him it was easy to get past, if you only had to deal with him in game over ingame things you probably thought he was oddball who couldnt spell (at best).
For this reason a lot of entities in Eve really have no problem with watching him take one to the groin. Also theres the topic of Self Interest, there may be groups that are raring to take on BOB but they understand that it doesn't help thier "board position" to leave ASCN at full strength. As attractive as it is to be owed one by one of the most industrially capable forces in the game, it really doesn't do that much good unless you can ensure they're at the point where they are grateful enough for your help to remember it.
Blacklight is right that it is impossible to kill an organization in this game, as many groups have risen from the ashes as have been immolated in the first place and I must say that as an ASCN member I have never seen so much productive change being made at the alliance as I have in the last few weeks. Whether or not it will be enough is frankly over my head, but I do think that ASCN has the potential to emerge form this much much stronger then anyone realises.
I understand these political realities, I don't like them but I know from what they stem.
Anyhow, I do disagree with some things though. I view the forums as Out of Game and by and large this is a common view in ASCN (Corp alliance discussion is an explicitly out of character forum, In character posts are relegated to the summit forum). So we are taking a lot of whats being said personally, the attitude we have is that the average Bobbin really dislikes us as human beings.
It's not an unreasonable position, I always post out of Character and qualify it when otherwise with an "In Character" Tag of some sort. Bob leadership, and Molle in particular has never really displayed any sort of dichotomy. It is easier to assume that someone is Out of Character all of the time then to assume they are IN character in every post.
Irregardless...
PS, Manchester? Arsenal? What are they like the Yankees and the Mets of soccer?
PSS, any spelling errors are a tribute to Cy and not me being lazy [
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