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Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:05:00 - [1] OK I want the back ground on both alliances.....who in eve hates them, loves them or doesn't care about them. also, why did ASCN lose the war with Bob, or is there going to be some epic last stand that will save ASCN from total BOB annihilation. THIS IS WERE EVERY ONE GET'S THERE IMPUT Im lisening
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:06:00 - [2] everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D)
darklegionca Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:08:00 - [3] ascn lost the war cuz they were not ready to take on a miltary style assault that bob dished out on to them making them lose there titan and there leader i am on the fence with both sides as i dont take sides so ya thats my imput ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Himani Yeshua Caldari PezCo - Ice Services United Connection's	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:08:00 - [4] Yea, everyone pretty much hates BoB, but for reasons like, "OMG WE WENT TO WAR N THEY BLOBBED US NERF BOB!1!!" and other fun stuff like that. ---------------------------------------------- Disclaimers are stupid. Of Course your views represent those of your corporation.
Jason Marshall Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:09:00 - [5] Edited by: Jason Marshall on 14/12/2006 06:09:03 Originally by: DeadProphet everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D) Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... These views in no way represent my corp or alliance. Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:12:00 - [6] Most people hate BoB, as to why, most the reasons I see are just whiners. ASCN hasn't lost but our rigid command severely cripples us.
Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:14:00 - [7] I don't hate my alliance... >_> I mean.. I don't hate BoB.
Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:21:00 - [8] Right, that ansures one of my Q", what about were BoB came from?>> what make's them so powerfull. Is it capital might or just plan numbers?
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Aramova Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:39:00 - [10] The history of how ASCN was formed is right Here -- Lag is kinda like CYVOK, it kills as many friendlies as hostiles...
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:40:00 - [11] I think this battle still has along way to go, but in the end I see bob winning as they have the isk and the powerhouse behind them. -=====-
Frug Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:46:00 - [12] I think it's a lot of hate/jealousy/fear that people feel toward BoB. It's this one uber pvp alliance nobody can stop. From what I've seen nobody even comes close to stopping. So when you have that people are gonna have all kinda negative opinions. I like to root for the underdog, and BoB ain't no underdog, so it's hard to root for them. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:09:00 - [13] Originally by: ProphetGuru Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. And probably a good deal of just plain old fear. --
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:13:00 - [14] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. I dont hate BOB I love them They drop tech 2
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:14:00 - [15] Edited by: Paladineguru on 14/12/2006 07:16:35 Edited by: Paladineguru on 14/12/2006 07:15:30 Originally by: Frug I think it's a lot of hate/jealousy/fear that people feel toward BoB. It's this one uber pvp alliance nobody can stop. From what I've seen nobody even comes close to stopping. So when you have that people are gonna have all kinda negative opinions. I like to root for the underdog, and BoB ain't no underdog, so it's hard to root for them. G one little letter one big history and dont forget Fix who also I believe held thier own and won bobs respect
Arlenik Emmanouelik	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:18:00 - [16] I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess. I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses.
Seran O'Car	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Seran O''Car on 14/12/2006 07:23:48 Can't sleep. Actually. It's more like this. BoB is so dominant in eve, their the groupe to beat. Everyone loves the underdog and hates the champion. But there you go. BoB have for two years now. Been very dominant, Ever since Blacklight, Molle and Galvajet hocked up in late 2004 they haven't looked back. And is quite rightly the groupe to beat. Ascn is more like the rich, large collective og diffrent sorts of carebears/hobbits who rather enjoy the finer things in life. Your regular art buff some might say. :D Their founded upon the ruins of xetic alliance. Very much like a the current ASCN alliance. Just whit more carebears. Ppl usually find their own reasons for hating each groupe. Personally I don't care either way. And many more should just quit this unconstructive I hate these ppl becus they presively do it in a way that I don't like. Just enjoy the game ppl. When you wake up tomorrow, all this will not matter at all once you start heading off to work. (I reserve the right to not include ppl who actually make a living off this game:p) Da-mn you lucky bastards. So stop taking events in here so personally. Now get into my bellie!!! I'm higher up the food-chain than you.!.
Raivi Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:20:00 - [18] This thread kinda seems like flame bait, but I'll be constructive. Most people with an interest in EVE care about ASCN and BOB, although many of us don't love or hate either one. It seems you hay be interested in the history of the alliances so you can get loads of info about BOB's history at RKK's Forum History Section and Blacklight's Blog
Kiyano	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:29:00 - [19] Most people hate BoB because they're ruthless and nastily efficent. They don't feel sympathy for you and will show you no quater. They will quite simply take what you have without thinking twice if you have something worth taking. Their communist structure and sheer momentum coupled with strong leaders and high levels of efficencly usually lets them take on forces when greatly outnumbered. See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) People also hate BoB because so far nobody has been able to put them in their place... hence they're place is anywhere they want really.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:33:00 - [20] BoB isn't predictable and while the majority of what they do makes sense once you understand the mentality, sometimes you don't see it coming, and if you do...it's because they told you its coming. ASCN may yet try to pull out of this little ISK whirlpool, but they lost their leader right after their leader lost their Flagship, and that certainly won't be inspiring anyone to fight. It is my opinion that the reason ASCN and AXE were even invited to participate in the TRUST debacle was so BoB could get a close up look of the ASCN Capital Fleet. BoB didn't need ASCN or AXE help any more than ASCN needed BoB's help to put up outposts. BoB has no doubt been planning the invasion of ASCN for some time, and I'm sure they already have battle plans for every possible invasion scenario they might partake in. That is just good military strategy. Plan to conquer the world, even if you don't plan to. ~Thor Xian, Chief Administrator "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:46:00 - [21] I can honestly say that I don't like either entity very much. I'm fairly sure ASCN would be just as annoying as BOB if they were as powerful, too (they were showing very definite signs of this a few months back). And I never liked Evolution. Certain individuals, and individual corporations, in both alliances I respect, though. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
James Pond	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess. I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses. i beleive ASCN taxes at stations is 10% how is that taxing the crap out of its members, other allainces have higher rates than that. The titan was kept secret so that the POS where it was being built would net get destroyed, its a well known fact that within ASCN there are alot of spies, the way the build of the titan was handled was probably the way most alliances would have done it, most of LV didnt know about there titan being built either. the titan was called steve actually, a name that was chosen by the members of the alliance. so in all fairness your post is a complete load of rubbish.
Seran O'Car	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Thor Xian BoB isn't predictable and while the majority of what they do makes sense once you understand the mentality, sometimes you don't see it coming, and if you do...it's because they told you its coming. WTH are you on about? You can read BoB as an open book. On the trust affair, trust clearly was making a bit to big of an impact on the capitol market, a market that clearly goes against BoB's own security. PA war, BoB hate them whit a passion. When they moved back up to Branch after the curse bit. You could just sence they where bored an was looking to settle old scores. (PA had been selfrightus on the forum some time before BoB took action) The entire Curse affair was drawing to a close. In the months before the ASCN bit they where severly bored. I personally thought they whould go after D2. But apparently they didn't bother the long haul. There where very few others around who could give them a challange. And that public Avatar didn't help things either. Every supricing action Molle have announced, you could have senced on the forum weeks prior. But then again. It's so much easier to be the general after the war isn't it? Ironically though. That once BoB went up against ASCN. Every alliance and corp in eve saw the timing just ripe and perfect to build their very own ms and titans. I forsee the beginning of the end of something great. You got to love BoB though. Molle and his posts on the forum just kicks that extra bit of life into the community. Keeps everyone just slightly on edge. :)
Carmizan	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:55:00 - [24] I do not hate BOB i have the upmost respect for them. They do not hide behind fancy words, they are what they say they are PVP'ers and they enjoy what they do. In my opinion they are the next M00 the only difference is moo took on ccp, BoB just do not care who they take on. And finaly about the war it was a for gone conculsion right from the start who was going to win the war and thats BoB as they will not stop until they win and theres the difference.
Wolfmoon	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:22:00 - [25] I actually like BoB. No, I'm not in any alliance with them, and I'm not even sure why I do, I just do. I hope they wipe the floor with all 0.0, hell, even lowsec alliances and completely win Eve. GO BoB!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:25:00 - [26] I think its very cool that the game has legend corps like BoB. You simply dont have that in other games, because in other games, your actions doesnt leave a mark in the universe. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Col Short Quote: See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHT This is what’s wrong with almost every other alliance in the game, many thousands of members, but no collective will to fight. I have much respect for BoB, because they are the model of what every other alliance should be, and wants to be, but can’t achieve... in fact they can’t even recognise how to take the first steps to achieve it. IMHO One reason for BoB’s success is in there name. Band Of Brothers says a lot about how they view themselves as a whole, take a look at the alliance page: Band of Brothers - BOB consists of 6 member corporations, 1710 pilots. Ascendant Frontier - ASCN consists of 25 member corporations, 4289 pilots. 1710 members over 6 corps > 4000+ over 25 corps. Unit Cohesion. In every alliance I’ve been in or had dealings with so far there is maybe 1 in 10 at best people who actually feel some allegiance and loyalty to the alliance, in BoB your corp IS the alliance as much as the corp next to you, extend that down to the individual pilots, add a thirst for PvP, good leadership and lots of SP, and excellent communication that a small number of corps naturally provides, and there you go – I highly doubt many alliances in Eve can say the same, and that’s why most of them suck. If you’ll excuse me now I have to go to the forum settings and switch off my alliance tag until this thread drops. -
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:34:00 - [28] give bob the whole of 0.0. that'll be fun right?
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:36:00 - [29] i bow to the 3 time tourney winners and all the cheese that goes with it.
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:36:00 - [30] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. That there is a lot of why bob draws so much hate. It's the better than thou attitude of many posters :(. Sure bob may be a very powerfull and effective alliance. Rubbing peoples noses in it only draws hate.

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