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Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik And, the titan was indeed named CYVOK, here is the official player news. You are certainly wrong on this one. Or rather, the news are wrong. The default ship name is [<assemblers name>'s <ship name>]. So it was initially named CYVOK's Avatar only because CYVOK was the one who assembled it in the hangar. I it was renamed "Steve" shortly afterwards. Originally by: Diana Marc Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:40:00 - [32] the drama is becoming of the standard populace, wwjd? HAHA
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:42:00 - [33] Just to set the record straight: ASCN has indeed 4000 characters, but certainly nowhere near 4000 members. Personally I have about 10 characters in ASCN, but the average will be 2-3 at least, so I'd say about 1500 members max. Maybe just 1000. Note that this goes for many alliances, so ASCN will probably still be the biggest alliance in game in terms of players, but most alliances are probably significantly smaller than their raw numbers indicate. Second, the Titans name is Steve. Not CYVOK. Maybe it was called CYVOK the first days, before the final name was decided, but it has been Steve for the majority of its lifespan.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Jason Marshall Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word.... Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it. Jealousy. That there is a lot of why bob draws so much hate. It's the better than thou attitude of many posters :(. Sure bob may be a very powerfull and effective alliance. Rubbing peoples noses in it only draws hate. I agree that many BoB members end up with a "holier then thou" attitude on the forums. This is unfortunate, but it is a natural side effect of the ridiculous ** BoB member have to tolerate on the forums regularly. We are constantly accused of using lame tactics to outright cheating to achieve our goals, and this actually really bothers some of us. Part of the annoyance is the disagreement over tactics, such as the use of spies. But being accused of outright cheating is something that really grinds at you, especially when you spend alot of time and effort to achieve your victories legitimately. Really, BoB members get sick of hearing people talk ** about us because they don't understand our methods or are jealous that they can't replicate them. This creates a rather strong "them against us" mentality that ends up showing through in many posts. You will notice that BoB members tend to respond very well to respectful posts. We won't hesitate to recognize and compliment an opponent's efforts, especially if they win. But don't expect respect if all we hear in local is insults about "cs kiddies" and talk of petitions and accusations of cheatins or GM involvement or generaly lamery. Nemo me impune lacessit
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:48:00 - [35] u mega corp kids keep it real
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:50:00 - [36] I understand where it comes from. Much of it is the PVP attitudes. Smack talk does seem to be a big part of that culture (never been involved in it myself), but if bob were to focus on their image, then it should be an attempt at curbing the bob minions tounges on the forums. I think bob needs to hire an image consultant :).
Noriath	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:50:00 - [37] People who say that ASCN should be hated because they have high taxes are funny. From what I understand you're pretty much not even allowed to be in BoB unless you work for the alliance full time without doing anything just for yourself. ASCN is mostly a large number of people who work together to create infrastructure and secureity for themselves under the direction of a few top people, in order to be able to persue their own interestes in 0.0. ASCN is essentially a nation in 0.0, everyone does their own thing and is allowed to, but helps the alliance to make that possible by creating the nescesary infrastructure and helping out to defend the alliances territory. BoB just wants to take over the universe, and probaply will because nobody has the balls to fight them untill they come knocking...
Greylaw Amarr Ruined Inc. Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:54:00 - [38] Who do I like most. I need to think long and hard about that one. [bribes payable to Greylaw]
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:54:00 - [39] some BOB members pay 500m a month to be able to NPC and industry to support that alliacne the profits are potentially much much more These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Voodoosuicide	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:58:00 - [40] :..( virtually stfu about the drama my lil cuties

BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:04:00 - [41] Definitely the hobbitses, although I'm sure they won't/can't win. Bob seem to be a bit too arrogant and I like to support the underdog.
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Col Short Quote: See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHT You should note that you are telling this to a bunch of carebears/opportunists (well mostly)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:09:00 - [43] BoB is very good at what they do, but people will never show proper respect for them. Guess its human nature to never admit someone is better than you are at your own game. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Greylaw Amarr Ruined Inc. Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Jim McGregor BoB is very good at what they do, but people will never show proper respect for them. Guess its human nature to never admit someone is better than you are at your own game. Well, lets be fair here. BoB are openly militant and 'want to take over the universe.' Anyone that likes a big freaking steamroller slowly heading towards their hand built house probably has something slightly wrong with the old cog wheels upstairs. The BoB State is something everyone should fight and playfuly hate simply beause sooner or later - it'll be your space next. As for hating BoB players or not respecting them - this is something very different. Personaly I respect the BoB State's achievements, and haven't spoken to a BoB I didn't like, but that doesn't mean I like BoB. BoB have a vision of a new universe, and in that Universe anything other than BoB will be target practice. BoB might even be helping your corp at the moment, but if they are - chances are it's in their current interests.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Exogene Originally by: Col Short Quote: See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000) OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHT You should note that you are telling this to a bunch of carebears/opportunists (well mostly) If you apply the same standards to BoB, I think the most BoB I've ever seen together is about 150, also less than 10% of the number of people in the alliance. Like I said before, all alliances are alt-heavy, add to that TZ issues and participation is not all that low. Probably lower for ASCN than for BoB, but still not that low.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Greylaw Originally by: Jim McGregor BoB is very good at what they do, but people will never show proper respect for them. Guess its human nature to never admit someone is better than you are at your own game. Well, lets be fair here. BoB are openly militant and 'want to take over the universe.' Anyone that likes a big freaking steamroller slowly heading towards their hand built house probably has something slightly wrong with the old cog wheels upstairs. The BoB State is something everyone should fight and playfuly hate simply beause sooner or later - it'll be your space next. As for hating BoB players or not respecting them - this is something very different. Personaly I respect the BoB State's achievements, and haven't spoken to a BoB I didn't like, but that doesn't mean I like BoB. BoB have a vision of a new universe, and in that Universe anything other than BoB will be target practice. BoB might even be helping your corp at the moment, but if they are - chances are it's in their current interests. I agree. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:48:00 - [47] Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 14/12/2006 09:49:42 I respect BOB, but to steal a most excellent phrase from a poster before me, i playfully hate them in-game . One of the proudest moments for my corp was when we executed a flawless attack using pre-kali probes and were accused of being BoB alts ASCN is just 'meh'. Don't like, dislike or care. ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Fubarski	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Sochin I agree that many BoB members end up with a "holier then thou" attitude on the forums. This is unfortunate, but it is a natural side effect of the ridiculous **** BoB member have to tolerate on the forums regularly. We are constantly accused of using lame tactics to outright cheating to achieve our goals, and this actually really bothers some of us. Here's a few steps to get yourself started if you want a flame retardant suit. It's straight out of the book for about half of the "end game" raiding guilds. (And yes, Eve is an MMO. You're effectively a raiding guild. Different, but the same.) 1. You have the chance to inspire, or disgust people. Realize this, and realize that your actions out of game are equally as important as in the game. For your motivations, and goals in game, all you have to worry about is in game. But if you're concerned with reactions out of game... (here) then it is important. 2. Stop metagaming. If you infiltrate a spy into another corp, draw a line in the sand between what you will, and will not use against your enemies. This goes for Teamspeak as well. I.E. if you so much as stated flat out your internal rules on metagaming, most people would accept it. Metagaming lends a stain on your accomplishments, which are many, and I'm sure many of those do not involve it. But things would look a lot different if you set the mark for things like this. 3. Don't debase your image by smacking, or warranting a response to retarded allegations. Don't claim you're better than people, your actions speak much louder than the words, and garner much more respect than being arrogant and claiming it. 4. Poking fun at others loss, when not in "RP" mode... stinks. While this is the internets, and peoples reactions may be a bit muted... honestly, do you think the public would be behind a figure who, after rolling through a population center with cluster bombs... got on the news and said "Stop whining... hahaha... pwnt!" I have a ton of respect for what Reikoku, and subsequently, what BoB has accomplished in the game. Your actions outside the game itself are, in my opinion, what causes you the most discomfort. If you want to squash the flames, nothing works better than other people leaping to your defense. So yeah, props to a great job, but boo, and hiss on how you act about it. Fubar ski
Lunadi Minmatar Solar Trade	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:52:00 - [49] With regards to Bob vs Ascn it's obviously 'teamplay' that wins over 'selfishness' (there is probably a lot of teamplay in Ascn too, but just not enough). However I wonder if Bob has the potential to expand further... -------- hate my spelling? go play SCRABBLE!
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 09:53:00 - [50] One of the reasons they are disliked is because they choose their targets like a bunch of jealous children. "Ooooh, capital shipyards... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, mothership... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, titan... SMASH!!!"

Queen Hades	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:03:00 - [51] I like the epic war between this big alliances, it is a great addition to the game. @BoB and ASCN Thanks.
Zeonos Amarr venus divine brotherhood Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Jim McGregor I think its very cool that the game has legend corps like BoB. You simply dont have that in other games, because in other games, your actions doesnt leave a mark in the universe. if i name "The Axemen" 95% of the wow "eu" players know who they are, even if they arent on their server.
Rina Shanu Computer-Aided General Exploitation	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:23:00 - [53] Originally by: DeadProphet everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D) People do not hate BoB, people hate BoB's mouth.***y sais anything ? Other than that, people respect BoB for what it is: a great milliatry power with thick supply lines. No, ASCN have not lost the war yet, they had a lot of power but used it in the wrong ways. And there is a catch to it, the BoB war machine used to a deal quick death encountered an army of bodies. Some of which turns out are refusing to die and keep coming back. Perhaps Virtuozzo, the new executor of ASCN will use that dedication wisely. This is good to be placed here btw, becasue the "proper" forum place for it does not allow imput from a lot of people, like new guys in the npc corps that are curious about the big event in their world also and people switching corps. I just hope alts and smacktards will stay away.... JOIN CAGE**
Col Callahan Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:25:00 - [54] Edited by: Col Callahan on 14/12/2006 10:27:33 Originally by: Xenofur One of the reasons they are disliked is because they choose their targets like a bunch of jealous children. "Ooooh, capital shipyards... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, mothership... SMASH!!!" "Ooooh, titan... SMASH!!!" ROFL, its true Isn't it, I dono first hand, but funny. As for my last post, I am trying to say to all alliances, after bob is done playing with ASCN, whoÆs next?> I DON"T WANT TO SEE ONE MORE ALLINCE FALL TO BOB. bob can't attack every one in eve at the same time and hope to win. they are systematically picking off the ones they see as power players to make money and leavening lowers to become big so they can pick then off in due time, bob is playing at the art of farming alliances, and no one can stop them, but if together we stand we can wipe this pelage from eve, but united we must be if we want to do the Imposable I feel with 3 alliances to join tighter into a tri-alliance with the sole purpose to declare an end to BoB. If that were to happen, bob would fight to the death and there would be missive losses on both sides, but in the end BoB would be back in empire and no longer a constant threat to all 0.0. I speak strate from the heart, and I hope I can reach your's to rise up and FIGHT
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:49:00 - [55] =) hostile to BoB... but i <3 them... LOL (no seriously)... BoB always bring a good fight =)... fought them... won a few battles... and then pulled out because our goal was to ** up FIX... ah, how i love the 9CG days... back in SA ^_^ note : this is my personal view and doesn't reflect my corp or my alliance views... Originally by:** Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... And now its been sigjacked, yarrrr!!! - Petwraith
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:56:00 - [56] If we ever lost control we'd simply regroup, wait for a short bit, hatch some more evil plans and come hit whoever it was that attacked us in their own space, one by one, untill none of them were left. You can't win Eve wars with numbers, ships, materials or even with smack. You win them with persistence. And man, our persistance is WAY bigger then yours . Old blog
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:57:00 - [57] I see BoB as the Manchester United of EVE, people hate them because they are successful. When I first joined EVE I heard a lot about how BoB was EVE in easy mode and anyone aligned to BoB were just their stooges. Not being one to follow the herd I've nothing against BoB, they've obviously worked hard to achieve what they have and if no one can stand up to them then hows that their fault? Yes, my Corp is aligned to BoB but that's incidental to me as I joined D-F-C because 2 good friends from my SWG days were here (turns out D-F-C is a top Corp with quality people) and BoB were my enemies for some 5 months when I lived in Omist but I still didn't have an irrational hatred for them. I see ASCN as the Arsenal of EVE, a good side but man do they ***** and whinge when things don't go their way (ArsFne Wenger anyone?). Take, for example, the loss of their station system last week. So it looks like BoB used spies to take down some pos but that's one of the great things about EVE and CCP over any other mmo I've played. We're treated more like adults and what's considered griefing in others, is a valid tactic in EVE. Then there's the Titan loss. Nuff said me thinks. I don't support Man U but I admire them for what they've achieved. I hate Arsenal because they whinge and moan and it's never their fault but there's no denying they're a good side. regards _______________________________
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:06:00 - [58] Everyone hates something more powerful than themselves, except in the case of sycophants. It's the natural order of things, a power so great that it can and will act unilaterally without restraints cannot and should not be trusted. What cannot be trusted is feared, what is feared is also hated and in the end the path leads to the 'Darkness' Colonel Cyvok spoke of before he headed for the jungle. Ourselves Alone
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:08:00 - [59] I honestly don't care about either of them really... Only thing I can say is forum wise, many BOB members are smug, very arrogant... No ACSN members stick out in my mind as being that way, they seem pretty cool. However I don't use the corp & alliance forums, so maybe that's where the a'hole ACSN members are, who knows... In game, I could care less... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:10:00 - [60] Funny how some people interpret the forums as being out-of game.



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