there is a huge gap in the hauler line up, a hauler with 400,000 m3 cargo capacity a would fill that gap. it would be nice if you could fit for hauling capacity vs tank with 400,000 m3 being the hauling fit and maybe 250,000 m3 being the tank fit.

Distrubution of mass, velocity and hauling capacity for racial variants would mirror the freighter class.

inb4 Orca and this has been suggested several times

At least that's what's been taught to say. 100k m3 + 40k m3 fleet hangar when anti-tanked. It and T2 haulers must do. Never ask for new ships. Adapt and always use Redfrog.

tank fit freighter fit what you are looking for or cargo fit jump freighters.

Maybe I'm missing something, but there's a class of ships called the Freighter.

So you want baby freighters?

Yes, and they are huge, have slow align times, low velocities and slow warp speeds. It is the reason you wont find many people carrying 10,000 m3 of cargo around in a freighter when smaller haulers get the job done much faster.

I used to be quite positively vocal about this in the past before CCP changed freighters. However, with my Providence with 3 Istabs, I do not necessarily see the need for such a freighter anymore.

But a freighter has a cargohold of what, 500km3 base?

Why the hell would a 400km3 base freighter class make any sense at all?

Sooooooooo...

You want "baby"Freighter that...

- hauls more than an Orca, but less than a Freighter

- aligns faster than a Freighter loaded with Inertial Stabilizers (for reference, an I-Stab Freighter takes about 20 to 25 seconds to align... a triple-plated battleship takes about 12 to 15 seconds)
NOTE: without using the MWD-pulse trick, Orcas have the same align times as "naked" Freighters (about 35 seconds with max skills).


As long as you are not proposing that this mini-freighter also be able to field a tank equal to a tanked Orca (200k+) while having the proposed max cargo capacity... the quicker align time is really my only gripe.

Hell... even Deep Space Transports have long align times... about 12 to 15 seconds.

edit: looking at the numbers...
- if an I-Stab Freighter (with a cargo capacity of ~500-600k) takes about 20 to 25 seconds to align...
- a MWD Orca (with a capacity of about 90 to 140k) takes about 35 seconds to align (10 seconds with the MWD trick)...
- and a DST (with a capacity of ~62k) takes about 12 to 15 seconds to align (10 seconds with the MWD trick)...

- where does this new mini-freighter fit in? There are only small differences in align times relative to the massive differences in hauling capacities.
And in warp the Orca is just as slow as a Freighter (2 AU/sec compared to 1.4) while the DST moves at cruiser speed (3.3 AU/sec).

I guess I am not seeing why you need a new ship. Freighters kinda already do what you are asking.

And to counter your point of "if you are not carrying max capacity, you are being inefficient"...
this would only be true if you are using actual fuel (and thus you need to carry max capacity to make the most money).
In EVE "time" is the only thing of actual value... and an I-stab freighter wastes only a relatively small amount more time than the "smaller options" that currently exist while having VASTLY more cargo space.

Here's an idea - rework the orca to be a better over all hauler.

Why introduce a new ship - when we already have one that just needs some love.
I'd almost go as far as - stripping all the bays

Give it a base 75-100k m3 cargo, 250-300 SMA, 50k fleet (remove ore bay) and give it a new speciality bay that fits Ore Minerals and PI materials

Looks like OP want a JF without the jump drive. Just ignore the jump drive and use a JF!

In short, it doesnt matter how you set up your provi for mid sized loads it will always lose and by a considerable margin.

a hauler with 400,000 m3 cargo capacity

inb4 Orca and this has been suggested several times

At least that's what's been taught to say. 100k m3 + 40k m3 fleet hangar when anti-tanked. It and T2 haulers must do. Never ask for new ships. Adapt and always use Redfrog.

Fenrir has 435,000m3 cargohold.




We definitely need light freighters, but your numbers are too high. Large industrials haul up to almost 40,000m3; Deep Space Transports haul up to almost 70,000m3 without being cargo fit. Fenrir, the next in line, hauls at minimum 435,000m3 (456,750m3 at skill 1). We need something with a base cargohold of around 100,000m3, which when fit with 3 cargohold expanders will still be under 300,000m3. That's how you justify giving it better agility than large freighters, it needs to haul a lot less. Otherwise it's worthless.




Every time this is suggested, it takes about 5 minutes before some loon, in their infinite wisdom, has the gall to suggest that the Orca is a functional light freighter. Leaving aside the price and training implications, it has absolutely none of the benefits over a full-size freighter that a light freighter would have.

5. The MWD trick isnt a legitimate ship statistic it is a player contrived use of game mechanics

I realized i should not have used the max fit capacity in my discussion. The 400,000 would be the modded and rigged max capacity of the Caldari variant.

Regardless, it's too large.
As has already been stated the current freighters aren't significantly bigger (Fenrir <10% larger) so the capacity you're discussing is seems to obsolete them. 250,000m3 fully expanded is about the limit I could consider...

New Eden has a problem. There is a class of criminal that cannot be contained. They like to blow up freighters. Industries everywhere would start working on solutions. One of those would certainly be faster ships that could avoid these criminals.

We definitely need light freighters, but your numbers are too high. Large industrials haul up to almost 40,000m3; Deep Space Transports haul up to almost 70,000m3 without being cargo fit. Fenrir, the next in line, hauls at minimum 435,000m3 (456,750m3 at skill 1). We need something with a base cargohold of around 100,000m3, which when fit with 3 cargohold expanders will still be under 300,000m3. That's how you justify giving it better agility than large freighters, it needs to haul a lot less. Otherwise it's worthless.

I would also add that it should be rather crucial for those "light" Freighters to have much shorter train than "standard" Freighters (no Advanced Spaceship Command V please). That would make them very popular ships.

No, actually the align time difference and the warp speed difference would be substantial between this and my suggestion, since i basically created a hauler roughly half the size if the freighter class.