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Tanis Bastar
Caldari
Interstitial Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.16 12:13:00 -
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Well, as a newish player I have been training up my R&D skills and missioning to get access to multiple high-level R&D agents to participate in invention--what a freaking joke! For some reason, I thought that Invention was intended to allow someone other than the uber-rich to participate...
Why does CCP even go through this charade? Why not eliminate the NPC-seeded T1 BPOs and give them all to the T2 Barons as well so that they can extend their control even more?
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The Snowman
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.12.16 12:18:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Virginia Bacci
Originally by: DarkMatter
Both salvage & Exploration are a disappointment....
Salvage is boring, exploration is brilliant.
Now this has got to be the funniest thing ive seen I've heard...
the time taken salvage provides a relative and balanced amount of profit..
Exploration takes hours and hours even with perfect skills and guarantee's nothing!
If you find spending 5hours + scanning more exciting than destroying waves of highly profitable NPC's which provide sec status, bounties, loot, minerals, salvage components and rewards..
well your just whack!
Exploration and Invention have got to be the worst implemented idea's since the war on Iraq!
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.16 13:06:00 -
[33]
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Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2006.12.16 13:08:00 -
[34]
AT LAST now will you stop complaining for the love of god ?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.16 13:12:00 -
[35]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 16/12/2006 13:18:25
so between 100k+ subsscribers we have maybe 20 bpcs in 3 weeks so thats 280 in year...... and they have the build reqs as above...
Invention, the new tech 2.
ps.
The 280 a year figure... assumes that peoples enthusiasm to cosmos sig hunt doesn't fall off... and its so blindingly unprofitable at all other times, not to mention boring and frustrating... that I,m not sure if 280 is gonna be a realistic figure.. ;(
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.16 13:31:00 -
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Great work Eddz, its nice to see we aren't the only small combat corp looking into invention, that info on the interfaces is priceless (and ofc, equally depressing because the idea of collecting all 12 is now mammoth-to-impossible).
Could you clarify for me - you say the build requirements are insane but the required items are ones I haven't heard of / dont come across. I take it they are cosmos drops and are those valuable in themselves, let alone in the quanities required to make 12 different interfaces?
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Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2006.12.16 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 16/12/2006 13:18:25
so between 100k+ subsscribers we have maybe 20 bpcs in 3 weeks so thats 280 in year...... and they have the build reqs as above...
Invention, the new tech 2.
ps.
The 280 a year figure... assumes that peoples enthusiasm to cosmos sig hunt doesn't fall off... and its so blindingly unprofitable at all other times, not to mention boring and frustrating... that I,m not sure if 280 is gonna be a realistic figure.. ;(
Im not bored and im not greedy either, if i find stuff i wont profit excessivley from it
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Max Hardcase
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.16 14:40:00 -
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I assume those are parts obtained through hacking ?
If so, cluster**** again CCP.
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.12.16 14:44:00 -
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Eddz, demonstrate to me that that 20 number is a valid extrapolation from a statistically significant dataset and you may have a point.
In any case I'd also point out that the relevant date is not three weeks, it's since Wednesday, particularly as you can now cherry-pick exploration site types.
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:34:00 -
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So, where did you find it? 0.0 or lowsec? Hacking or drop? The numbers ARE depressing :/
Let's hope it's pre-nerfed and will be changed.
Now recruiting!
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Ammath
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:13:00 -
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yeah what sort of system, is there a pattern?
Ammath
Director
The 5 Amigos LLC
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:15:00 -
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All of those items listed are parts obtained in empire cosmos complexes. It requires hacking to obtain. In addition, to get 800 of any item would take a dedicated team/group about a week of doing nothing but sitting in a complex and hacking their rears off, since each can in a hacking plex only contains a single item per can.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:30:00 -
[43]
Wow big numbers.
On a second thought, it could maybe be suspected that the price of a working data interface would be in the 1 billion range at least.
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Hehulk
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:43:00 -
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That's one disturbingly huge list of required conponents
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Mohoi
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:45:00 -
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So, Kiaeddz, after all this whining you buy one for 10 bil?
Invention broken, yeah right!
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DNightmare
Caldari
Psyballz
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: DNightmare on 16/12/2006 18:40:42
Edited by: DNightmare on 16/12/2006 18:36:44
Hrm, ok, that are quite some Big numbers, but think about it.
The SHIP data interfacecs are the toplevel to invent T2 Ship bpc's (cerberus/vaga anyone?) so it was obvious that those would need the most stuff to build (and because the interfaces will never be destroyed, it's a one time pain in the ....)
Take my normal Data Interface BPC for example, it's not used for such shiny stuff than HACs so the numbers are quite low compared to the one the op posted.
But anyway, I agree that it is just a bit TOO high, maybe lower them to 75% or something, but don't make it to cheap, it should be a challenge to be able to produce T2 ships w/o BPO lottery luck.
just my 2 isk,
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:35:00 -
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And now noone wants to share where they were found :/
Now recruiting!
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DNightmare
Caldari
Psyballz
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
And now noone wants to share where they were found :/
0.4 Low Sec "Profession - Hacking - Base 2 - lo sec - Serpentis" after 3Hrs of probing around, if that helps you :)
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:42:00 -
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Thanks, it does - means I can keep going in low-sec :)
Now recruiting!
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Missy Mai'la
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:58:00 -
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Has anyone noticed the buildcost for the ship data interface vs the normal one? It's exactly 10 times higher, infact if you remove a zero from the right for each component from the ship one, it's component cost becomes the same as the other one, could it be seem have made an error and added an extra ZERO at the end for each component?
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Teis
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.16 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: DNightmare
0.4 Low Sec "Profession - Hacking - Base 2 - lo sec - Serpentis" after 3Hrs of probing around, if that helps you :)
LMFAO... if it takes 3Hrs of probing around, then I have already forgot all about Invention. It is off my list of things to go for in EVE - sadly that leaves very little left from Kali...
I very seldom have 3 hours to play EVE 
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DNightmare
Caldari
Psyballz
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Posted - 2006.12.16 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Teis
Originally by: DNightmare
0.4 Low Sec "Profession - Hacking - Base 2 - lo sec - Serpentis" after 3Hrs of probing around, if that helps you :)
LMFAO... if it takes 3Hrs of probing around, then I have already forgot all about Invention. It is off my list of things to go for in EVE - sadly that leaves very little left from Kali...
I very seldom have 3 hours to play EVE
Who said it's going to be a "I get Rich very easy" Button?
And btw: i also got 16x "Datacores - Caldari Starship Engineering" after roughly 20minutes of probing (and 3mil bounty of the rats guarding it)
so not everything takes that long, but if you can't put enough effort into it, don't wonder about 2k rats and some quafe instead of BPCs, Skillbooks (also got some), or other nice toys
cheers
DNightmare
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.16 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Lae
All of those items listed are parts obtained in empire cosmos complexes. It requires hacking to obtain. In addition, to get 800 of any item would take a dedicated team/group about a week of doing nothing but sitting in a complex and hacking their rears off, since each can in a hacking plex only contains a single item per can.
Has anyone ever talked to someone that enjoys the cosmos missions? The only people I ever hear of even bothering with the whole cosmos mess are the book/item campers. I am failing to see why the content that most don't, or don't want to, take part in is beign forced down the throats of people wishing to do make t2 items through this process.
"We will MAKE people take part in cosmos areas and they will ENJOY it."
They have taken a system and made it so most people would rather sit on their RP waiting for the snowballs chance in hell of getting a decient t2 BPO. I know that's what I am/will be doing.
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DNightmare
Caldari
Psyballz
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Posted - 2006.12.16 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Eve Features Page
While the act of discovery is likely to be a solo activity, capitalizing on what you found will require good connections through contracts or the market.
Linky
So, you can find great stuff from Exploration, but this is an MMO and if you want to use that things, you have to team up with some friends.
And even in the smallest 10-20 player corp out there, are 1-2 ppl that are intrested in doing something new from time to time (instead of mining/building/NPCing/PvPing) and those are the ppl to team up with and gather the stuff for invention, easy as that.
So it will maybe take you 1 week with a good team to grab the stuff, but after that, the hardest part (gathering cosmo materials) is done and all other ppl from the corp can get involved (Research players for datacores for example), because the Interface is the thing that never gets destroyed and together you have the ability to produce as much T2 ships/modules/rigs as you want, as long as the team provides the effort and the Materials to do so (or do you think, when owning a T2 BPO, the stuff produces itself with a finger snip?)and the effort you have put into hunting cosmos items will reward you with rock-solid ISK or with T2 Stuff for free.
Get my point?
Hell yeah, I have a 5 man Corp with RL Friends, and we do what we want and what we enjoy at the moment. And now we're planning Cosmos runs & Explorations to take a sneak peak into Invention/T2 producing. So, where's the Problem?
If you don't wanna put some time into it, noone forces you to, just continue buying shiny things from the few ppl that own a BPO.
Oh, and btw: I'm no fanboy at all (hell yeah, I have enough things on my list I could shoot CCP for) but I enjoy cosmos from time to time, cause it's hard when you make your first attemps, and it's kinda exciting for me to build up a "perfect" tactic + ships + fitting to do those missions/complexes and get some reward (me still hopes for another skillbook :D)
again, only my 2 isk
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Tousaka Langley
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Posted - 2006.12.16 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tousaka Langley on 16/12/2006 20:36:51
Oh No, Individuals Getting Rich!
We need a red revolution in Eve, a common playing field! More lame garbage!
I can only play 10 minutes a day! I demand that I be as rich as the highest tier PC Corps because I pay as much money for the game as they do! Unless you count opportunity cost!
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Driven
Caldari
Mass Produced
Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2006.12.17 04:28:00 -
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I'm beginning to think i have a better chance of getting a date with Pamela Anderson than finding the elusive magical date interface.
These things are as rare as unicorns apparently. 25 systems down. 1500 to go.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Driven
I'm beginning to think i have a better chance of getting a date with Pamela Anderson than finding the elusive magical date interface.
These things are as rare as unicorns apparently. 25 systems down. 1500 to go.
It's 0 systems down since the sites are always on the move.
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Teis
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.17 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: DNightmare
Who said it's going to be a "I get Rich very easy" Button?
I don't expect it to be easy to get rich in EVE, and most of the stuff needed for Invention are not that hard to get.
But to get your hands on the so desired Datainterfaces are clearly only for those that play EVE 23/7 or the big corporations. And that is sad!
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DNightmare
Caldari
Psyballz
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: DNightmare on 17/12/2006 12:07:34
So. why not give it a bit of time?
Maybe the droprate will be adjusted.
And the more ppl find those Data Interfaces, most likely there wil be enough that sell them (even if the first one sell them at horrible prices, it's not a limited Resource like T2 BPOs so the prices will drop over time).
And in some Weeks/Months Invention will get "quite" common, not for every podpilot out there avaiable but still widely spread and not just for the "big ones" or the "crazy workless ones".
This whole new explroation/Invention stuff is only a couple of weeks out, so don't expect everything to be avaiable like civilian shield boosers :)
And if CCP had spread all the new things around at once, where would be the fun of exploration? (Cause, yeah, basicly i am a 23/7 player, but it's just so addictive to fly around and find things noone has seen before and that keeps me doing it, even if some results take 4 or 5 Hrs. Till now I found every single signature I tried and i'm counting 60 in total since we got multi-specc probes and 3 the week before that)
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:25:00 -
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I really don't think invention is broken at this point. The data interface requirements are big, but they seem sensible since it's a persistent component.
What you've got to wait for is reports as to how people fare after they get a data interface - BPC yields, efficiency etc.
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