You know I think you maybe the first person I've encountered on the forums who thinks RLMLs weren't nerfed hard enough.

It's even more cancer when you see that half of cruiser sized ships these days are Caracal, Scythe FI or Orthrus.

as far as I know they are still overused at least in small fleets

Maybe, as far as I know they are still overused at least in small fleets, over any other type of medium missile launchers.

That's because the other medium sized launcher weapons suck donkey balls.

I've seen frigates tank an entire clip of RLML from the hulls you mention comfortably. Perhaps you are just bad at choosing an appropriate ship to engage RLML ships in?

I'm really curious as to what frigate 'tanks an entire clip of RLML comfortably' coming from an Orthrus.

The classic nano Cynabal has 2 LSE, an invul, a DCU and 3 T2 shield rigs. Unlinked, it's 46k EHP with an EM resist hole, or 44k EHP without deep resist hole (depending on your rigs).

Now a well skilled Orthrus will perfectly apply 40k EM damage on this Cynabal before his clip is empty. It roughly means the Cynabal will be left with a burning hull at the end of the clip, unable to fight (or to survive anything for instance). And then RLML is called an "anti frigate" weapon.

So why don't you provide two scenarios, and use the worst one to illustrate your poi... oh wait, you did that already. Also, why don't you ignore those resists when you're talking about perfect damage applica... nevermind, you've got that covered too.

What actually happens here, in the "real world", is that the Cynabal plugs its EM hole and survives a clip of missiles from the Orthrus with shield to spare. Which gives him 35 seconds to kill or evade his opponent, during which time the Orthrus can do bugger all but keep praying it doesn't die before it can reload and finish the job.

All of the above is of course assuming the Orthrus pilot had the right ammo loaded when they began the fight, which would have been Kinetic or Thermal anyway depending on the Cynabal's third rig.

All I'm hearing is, "WAHHHH! A Orthrus killed my Cynabal! WAAAHHH! It's OP!"

Never flyed a Cynabal. Cheers :)

All I'm hearing is, "WAHHHH! A Orthrus killed my Cynabal! WAAAHHH! It's OP!"

Now I've never flown either, and hardly use missiles at all, but sounds to me like you're saying "WAHHHH! I love RLML! Please don't nerf!"

Barring a specific scenario certain weapons/ships counter each other.

I agree with this. However RLML are not supposed to counter cruisers as they're designed to be the perfect anti-frgiate weapon. But they're also the perfect missile system against cruisers, and they're not really countered by short range weapon systems.

If I take your scissors (Thorax) I'm sure they won't cut your paper (Caracal) because :

a - Thorax will be plated and so will get outranged by the Caracal ;
b - Thorax will be armor rep / shield buffer and will die before catching the Caracal and cutting through his buffer.

Ofc this isn't true if the Thorax is already waiting the Caracal at beacon but we talk about how it is without "significant positional advantage"

Basically, when a setup for a shiptype is outclassing anything else for this shiptype there's something wrong. And if you go out in null or just look at zkillboard you'll see that's what's happening to popular missile cruisers. Even Gilas which are supposed to be tough fighters, bringing heavy and constant DPS with both missiles and drones, are fitted with RLML. RLML is king in any small scale gang and so there's something wrong.

Do not fly low EHP, low DPS kiting ships with minimal or no active tank against an RLML cruiser. That is all.

Do not fly low EHP, low DPS kiting ships with minimal or no active tank against an RLML cruiser. That is all.

P.S. special case do not attempt to solo an Orthrus in anything. Not because of RLML but for an accumulation of reasons that ship is hideously broken/cancerous.

If Guristas/Mordus hull; bring blob with hero scram frigates. All other RLML, don't be a 20K EHP Stabber.

Most RLML ships are trash vs active tanks.

What's your stance on the new BC buffs? From my understanding BC's are gonna be the long range medium guns/missile platforms that will hopefully put a dent to the current kiting meta.