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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 09:41:00 -
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has anyone seen any for sale SINCE the patch came out i was wondering what sort of prices they were going for....i know before the patch ppl where wanting stupid amounts like 500m has this started to come down yet?
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Redart
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.15 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Redart on 15/12/2006 09:57:15
Edited by: Redart on 15/12/2006 09:56:26
My best guestimate is that they will still be around 50 -> 100mil each for low end rigs, due to the amount of time it takes to gather the materials.
Which, I have a couple threads about being mad and I have posted in most the salvaging threads... but I've really started looking more closely and some rigs are pretty uber. Looking mostly at armor rigs, one gives +15% to Armor Repair Cycle rate and another gives +15% to Armor HP.
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.15 09:43:00 -
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Yeah, those prices were retarded, but if there's only one of something on the market people will ask stupid prices and pay even stupider ones. I saw them dipping down to 300-ish mil, by now I'd estimate they're going down to 100-200. I wouldn't buy any rigs/components for at least another week, preferably three.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:10:00 -
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yeah i was thinking around the 10m mark is going to look more likely in a few weeks but im unsure if they will drop lower than that anytime in the near future possibly due to the number of different parts there are and dependant on what ppl want to produce
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Aziza
Gallente
Immobiliare
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Xsag
has anyone seen any for sale SINCE the patch came out i was wondering what sort of prices they were going for....i know before the patch ppl where wanting stupid amounts like 500m has this started to come down yet?
Sure. Ir's between 250 and 350 mil at the moment. Salavage rig is the cheapest. Enjoy.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:24:00 -
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mmm well within a week anyone care to guesstimate value of say missile / shield / cap / ecm rigs - this is what i will be building started doing salvage last night for the first time since patch and the number of circuit boards i got should easily allow for rig production to start taking place within that timescale - although i am interested in using rigs myself - if i can manage to sell a few at a reasonable price say 10/20m then ill finally be able to afford a bs (yay) but id like others opinions / predictions on how realistic im being
thnx
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:25:00 -
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I expect rigs to start from between 5-10 million. Although not a professional salvager I will be fitting my own ship with its first rig this weekend from parts I have slavaged myself plus a few bought of the market (I sold components I did not want to pay for them). Effectively this rig cost me nothing - except a little extra time salvaging ships which I was looting anyway. Within 10 days I expect to have 2 other rigs for my own ships.
Given this is expect professional rigmakers/salvagers to start getting rigs onto the market is reasonable numbers by the new year.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:34:00 -
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yeah i currently use my ferox as a missile boat so tend to have 2 slots spare on it i fit one long range rail and a salvager and salvage and loot as i go since the patch the numbers of parts compared to pre patch are quite satisfactory. Also 5 - 10m would still be a very nice price for rigs imo - get a few of them rolling off the production line and ill be flying that raven in no time :-)
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:40:00 -
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If i had to guess i'd say they'd drop to about 20 mill a pop and stay there for a while until surplus amounts of rigs make it onto the market (as soon as they hit around the 20 mill marker people will buy them and so they'll temporarily stablize.) Afterwards i'd say about 3 months down the line from now i'd say you might find them for 5-10 mill each. At least I hope, it still means however that Rigs are pretty much only for the bigger ships, I mean why give a t1 frig 3 rigs slots if it'll cost you 15-30 mill for the rigs on a ship worth 200k :/
We can always hope for lower prices but it'll take a while.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:49:00 -
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well they were clearly never intended to be this expensive (as denoted by the bpo's) but this one of the advantages / disadvantages of a player driven market
:-)
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Oceemia
Caldari
Voice Of X
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:12:00 -
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i think the most wanted rigs (turrets bays/shield armor) will never drop below 50 mio. this simply due to the fact i loose killspeed while ratting. everyone killing stuff for isk is looking for highest ammount of isk/hour.
if salavaging doesnt pay off nobody will salavage -> rig prices go up.
best ragards Oceemia
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:16:00 -
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With the risk of repeating myself for the Nth time...
General drop rates (total components) were increased a bit, and looting/salvaging is a bit faster (you know which you have to get really close to, to empty, and which you can directly salvage from 5 km).
So, let's say the general "droppage" increased on average by a factor of 5.
Also, you now finally do get pretty much more circuits of all kinds than anything else (in total), so the drop rates seem to have balanced.
You can assume a salvager might work in coop with a few mission-runners clustered together and share the profits, and you expect the salvager to earn the very least say 20 mil per hour or so (split in two with "wreck generator" for 10 mil actual income), and you can now salvage (in this scenario) probably around 500 components in an hour, so just about enough for 2 rigs.
So yeah, I would say rig prices in the 5-10 mil range are finally within reach, barely, in the not-very-near future (only after market becomes saturated first and demand isn't so critical anymore).
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:20:00 -
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i got 100 commponents from a level 3 mission so the prices will come down. if u think u need the rig just now then pay the 100 mill if not then just wait some weeks.
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BBQ
Gallente
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:22:00 -
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Well, rig prices are currently stupid
300m for a warhead upgrade one (cant remember exact name).
However, depending on who you work with ingame depends on how much you can get them for as I think most are being kept behind closed doors while they are rare. I am about to start building rigs for my corp and handing them out for free to our members purely because they bring me in a large number of rig components and the increase in component drops has now made manufacture possible.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:23:00 -
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I¦m predicting 20 mill as the base rig price.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
HelpCorp United
Eden's Fire
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:42:00 -
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And now, for
Siigari's Expert Market Pre-evaluation
Most usable tech 1 rigs (that's "way better than and officer-fitted ship" to you who are not up-to-speed with how ship fittings work) are going to be estimated at:
50-110 mil isk per rig
t2 rigs however, (that's "insanely overpowered for the calibration cost and you have too much isk" for the uninitiated) are going to be looking into the price range of:
100-450 mil isk per rig
I have no speculation on "hot" rigs, however there are 2 that I have my eyes laid very set upon. I will stop at nothing to have them >=|
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:46:00 -
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Once there are a reasonable quantity of rigs on the market we will see lower prices. Most of those currently being manufactured are being gitted to the builders own ship.
Even for the most attractive t1 rigs I don't see prices of much over 10 million. After all I can and will build them for myself or get a corpmate to do so - I get the components for nothing as part of normal activities. Circuits were a bottleneck bu that is no longer the case.
Why would I give you 50 million for something I can make for myself in a few days without changing my regular activities 1 iota ?
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Berndarmin
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:50:00 -
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Well looking at the rate that parts drop when salvageing it takes me about 5 hours of rating to beable to build 1 rig once i have the parts to build en mass im looking at selling them from 20-50 mill each
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:50:00 -
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The prices will drop, but it will take a while.
Right now nobody has rigs, everybody wants them. There's players prepared to pay high prices, as they get the rigs they want they will leave the marketplace, and sellers will have to drop their prices in order to make a sale.
The level of economic stupidity running rampant in Eve is shocking, why can't people understand simple supply and demand?
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:57:00 -
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rigs arnt supply and demand though, they are based on salvagers idea of the value of thier own time, rigs will fall to the minimum people are willing to salvage for then stop at the moment this is atleast 50mill a rig, how many suppliers and demanders will only increase this cost
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:04:00 -
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Why exactly are there rig slots on T1 frigs?
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dread Phantom
rigs arnt supply and demand though, they are based on salvagers idea of the value of thier own time, rigs will fall to the minimum people are willing to salvage for then stop at the moment this is atleast 50mill a rig, how many suppliers and demanders will only increase this cost
That's what I'm talking about.
You don't decide what price something sells at. You decide what price you want to sell at, and if that meets the price someone wants to buy at, you get a sale.
You price something as high as you can that will still sell.
It's simple economics and you don't seem to understand.
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Max Hammer
SPECTRE Ops
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Why exactly are there rig slots on T1 frigs?
because... 800 t1 frigs is better then 1 frig with 1 rig :)
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Hotice
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:19:00 -
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So far, I've built one cap recharge rig, 1 laser optm range rig and 1 projectile rof rig. I'm using them on my absolution, and sleipnir. I think many who have built a few riggs are on the same boat, they are using them instead of selling. Wait for a few more weeks then you will start to see riggs at decent price as more parts are being collected. I did 18 missions to build those riggs. 6 of those missions were lvl 4 vengeace and 3 were angel extravaganza. That is a lot of work, so I can understand why rig price still very high.
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Romeda
Minmatar
Trojan industries
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:29:00 -
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I do a load of salvage work and I think the final settle price of rigs will be about 100mil to 200mil, I say this because of the long time it takes to make a good number of rigs, also the components are region/faction specific. Your best bet is to make them yourself either with buying off the market or salvaging what is needed.
I also saw some guy last night selling a speed rig for 480mil, EVE players are going to have to understand that people are not going to pay that kind of money for something like that, a single rig should not be considered a ISK-win-button.
As for T2 rigs I've seen a group of peeps get a limited run BPC from a exploration complex, the items needed to make them are specific and I think they only come from faction wreaks, not 100% sure tho.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 14:00:00 -
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mmm this is all interesting stuff and the sort of debate that is informative rather than a troll/flame fest (a nice change i might add).
ill be getting all my rig production skills done over the next few days (for the rigs i intend to make), if there are no rigs for sale in the region i will set the price at 50m / unit if there are rigs for sale at similiar prices i will take that into consideration first (ofc), but personally speaking demand is high but as someone else pointed out not high enough to pay 450m for a t1 rig, i think 10m - 50m is probably a ballpark figure of what sort of prices ppl will be willing to pay in the short term, however in the mid term this may well drop some more (and although id like it to stay that high(for personal reasons) i think it will definitely drop further than that.
(as more choice of sellers becomes available)
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Forino Ovoli
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Posted - 2006.12.15 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: BBQ
Well, rig prices are currently stupid
300m for a warhead upgrade one (cant remember exact name).
The only way 300M for a rig is stupid is if it remains on the market and no one ever buys it. In that case, the rig was overpriced and the seller was "stupid" for not being able to sell it.
If, on the other hand, you are referring to an actual price that the rig SOLD for, then the buyer and seller "agreed" on a price and the system worked.
Sellers do not determine prices - buyers do! As long as someone (perhaps, someone foolish, but that's not for me to decide) is willing to pay that much then that's where the price will be.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:00:00 -
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I can see how all of the rig producers have no problem with the rig prices settling at a "low" price of 50m.... BUT.
I sort of object to the fact that they are going to remain that expensive, Who in their right mind is going to put a 50m rig on ANY t1 ship of cruiser or frigate size? Are these ships meant to just not use rigs? (I highly doubt this, otherwise CCP would not have given them 3 slots and a calibration value).
I am hoping that once people get thier skills up (both statistically, and concerning the actual operation), that we will be seeing more of the components on the market, which should drive the prices of said components down, which in turn will drive the final rig prices down out of the stratosphere.
I guess the other side of the coin would be that CCP intends rigs to be a major isk sink, and they will be another toy for the very rich to use and lose, while the people in game who don't have the play time (or cash to dump on GTC's) will not be able to really benifit from them. Scenario; Joe Richguy supports his PvP by buying GTC's and trading for ISK, He sets up all his ships so they are really maxed out with all the available modules/rigs, while in the past he would have still had an advantage over Mr Playsafewhoursanite, now he will have an even bigger advantage, because his ships will be another step above Mr Playsafew, while Playsafew is still stuck fitting whatever he can afford.
This is not meant to be a rant, I just feel that rigs should not be isolated to the most elite/wealthy players, that they should be as common as any other T1 module.
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Forino Ovoli
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag
if there are no rigs for sale in the region i will set the price at 50m / unit if there are rigs for sale at similiar prices i will take that into consideration first (ofc), but personally speaking demand is high but as someone else pointed out not high enough to pay 450m for a t1 rig
If there's rigs selling at 450M and I see rigs for sale at 50M I'd happily purchase the 50M one and put it up for 300M or 350M and make a quick 600% to 700% profit with very little effort.
For the short term the market is going to determine the prices. Despite anyone's best intentions, you will not be able to come in as some good samaritan and lower the price because some profiteering businessman will be there to profit off your attempt to do so.
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar
Phoenix Tech Industries
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:01:00 -
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I have one up on the sell forums (Anti-Thermic Pump 1 - 30% to thermal resist on armor) with a starting bid of 75 million. This may be inflated from future prices, but it cost me a lot of time and isk to procure the materials needed to build it so it is not really that much markup on it at all at this point.
I expect future prices will drop a lot though and 20-25m each will become standard for rigs.
CT
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Detavi Kade
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Why exactly are there rig slots on T1 frigs?
Same reason the game doesn't stop you from putting 50mil modules on a 4 mil ship. To let people do crazy things, if they really really really want to.
Originally by: oveur
EVE is primarily a PVP game
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:34:00 -
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yes i think short and long term the real question is what price is SUSTAINABLE - they may sell for 100m right now but as the previous poster said he may have one for sale at 75m but is a price of 20m sustainable?
say if the average price / salvage part (based on current prices) is approx 50000 and say u need approx 350 parts / rig (remember just using averages here) that means that the cost per unit in "raw materials" is 17.5m.
So unless the raw material / unit drops significantly (which it could well do the main cost pulling that price up is the current cost of circuit boards being about 90-200k / piece still - once this drops maybe a lower price will be sustainable, of course i am completely removing the cost of time from this equation which is where the price starts going up and in some cases rather significantly )
back to you lot ;-)
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cornelius Agrippa
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Posted - 2006.12.15 23:01:00 -
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have 2 rigs for sale for 50mil and 1 for 25 been on the market for 24 hours now, am i selling too cheap that people dont want to spend less than 100mil?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.12.15 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: cornelius Agrippa
have 2 rigs for sale for 50mil and 1 for 25 been on the market for 24 hours now, am i selling too cheap that people dont want to spend less than 100mil?
Very much depends on what rig it is. There are like 300 of them you can make, and some of them will be attractive to a larger part of the players. 
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.15 23:36:00 -
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I haven't had time to do any salvaging since the patch. It sounds like the drop ratio for circuits has been adjusted to match their need in the rigs. Does it still hold that belt NPCs are dropping more salvage than mission NPCs?
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Lirt
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.16 00:12:00 -
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10m for a rig???? I hope you are joking. You ever tried salvaging? even after the fix? Some parts are easy to get and these parts are those that are being used by many rigs. But all rigs have a part that is more rare to find and isn't only 5 h of npc as someone said... Npcs drop specific types of rigs and i doubt there are npcs that drop all rig parts for a rig at a good drop rate.
So if you dont know how hard it is dont estimate prices cause you just want them cheap. 50-100 m maybe is a more reasonable price but 5-10m is just a joke.
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Forino Ovoli
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
There are like 300 of them you can make, and some of them will be attractive to a larger part of the players.
Point made - but for the record, there's less than 80 of them. I own all the available rig BPOs and theres around 77 I believe.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.18 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pang Grohl
I haven't had time to do any salvaging since the patch. It sounds like the drop ratio for circuits has been adjusted to match their need in the rigs. Does it still hold that belt NPCs are dropping more salvage than mission NPCs?
tested that theoryu on saturday and belt rats do have a much higher drop rate of both loot and salvage i find.
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Waut
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.18 07:50:00 -
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I expect them to drop around 10 mil. I guess right now everyone is building them for their own ships first before putting them on the market
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.18 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt
10m for a rig???? I hope you are joking. You ever tried salvaging? even after the fix? Some parts are easy to get and these parts are those that are being used by many rigs. But all rigs have a part that is more rare to find and isn't only 5 h of npc as someone said... Npcs drop specific types of rigs and i doubt there are npcs that drop all rig parts for a rig at a good drop rate.
So if you dont know how hard it is dont estimate prices cause you just want them cheap. 50-100 m maybe is a more reasonable price but 5-10m is just a joke.
on current prices for salvage parts 10m would be a joke i have a few hundred parts in my station at the mo and i worked out i had over 30m in just parts and thats selling them to buyers in the station i was at not actually going to the best price.....
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2006.12.18 10:19:00 -
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I just built my first rig and put it on the market for 120 mil, partly to test the market and see if it sells, but partly because it took me days of salvaging to get all i needed.
But I think that is the problem with rigs right now
too many people are trying to salvage and build their own rigs. Instead of just building or salvaging.
Just like most miners do not build ships.. Miners sell ore to ship builders... I think it will be similar with rigs and prices will come down..
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.18 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Detavi Kade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Why exactly are there rig slots on T1 frigs?
Same reason the game doesn't stop you from putting 50mil modules on a 4 mil ship. To let people do crazy things, if they really really really want to.
Oh, that's ok so, for a minute there I thought CCP wanted rigs to not become another set of uselessly expensive modules and had failed in that goal. My mistake.
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Posted - 2006.12.18 10:48:00 -
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There are few things about rigs that probably won't allow them to become common market commodity for long time -
1. They are permanent, can't try and sell them. Huge number of mods come from this.
2. They are very powerful, unlike implants. Everyone wants them because they provide edge in almost everything you do. flying without rigs is like flying with half of slots and grid/cpu unused pre-rev.
3. Ships are lost much more than pods so people will always need more rigs.
However .. I've got to say here that mission runners are the best bet for the source of cheap rigs now. Any self respecting pvper will lose his ship rather sooner than later, mission runners however rarely suffer this kind of loss, and they have huge source of salvaging components from their missions.. so when they outfit all their ships they will probably start flooding the market with rigs and components :)
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Bambi
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Posted - 2006.12.18 10:50:00 -
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I have just done A.E (4) and S.E(4) and almost got enough salvage to build a couple of rigs...
Sure, some parts are going to be a little harder to souce, but 100 mill??? You gotta be joking... any muppet that pays more than a few mill gets all they deserve....
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MrLobster
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:04:00 -
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I'm still underwhelmed at the amount of components dropped (Belt Rats), to make it effecient at all you need a main (Ratter/Looter) and an alt (Salvager/Looter).
Even though I have hundreds and hundreds of 2 out of the 3 components, I have still to get a single piece of the other one item, and as yet unable to make a single rig.
I still think a tweak is in order as rigs should be going for 100k-1mil for T1, and 1mil-10mil for T2, otherwise whats the point of having slots on a T1 frig for rigs costing 100 times the cost of the ship it self.
Its not a mini-profession at all, its a major operation.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:25:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Bambi
I have just done A.E (4) and S.E(4) and almost got enough salvage to build a couple of rigs...
Sure, some parts are going to be a little harder to souce, but 100 mill??? You gotta be joking... any muppet that pays more than a few mill gets all they deserve....
its all about supply and demand - right now i have a little over 400 parts in my station costed to around the 30m isk mark now if i can sell the parts for this much....how can rigs be cheaper than this? if u manufacture something from parts there is always going to be a markup isnt there.....dont know if 250% is the right mark up :-) but there you go - I think a better question at this point would be WHO HAS SOLD A RIG when did they sell it, what type was it and how much did they sell it for.
thanks
xsag
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:37:00 -
[47]
Originally by: MrLobster
I still think a tweak is in order as rigs should be going for 100k-1mil for T1, and 1mil-10mil for T2, otherwise whats the point of having slots on a T1 frig for rigs costing 100 times the cost of the ship it self.
Its not a mini-profession at all, its a major operation.
cmon everyone has parts that outweigh the value of their ship
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Shayla Etherodyne
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
General drop rates (total components) were increased a bit, and looting/salvaging is a bit faster (you know which you have to get really close to, to empty, and which you can directly salvage from 5 km).
So, let's say the general "droppage" increased on average by a factor of 5.
Also, you now finally do get pretty much more circuits of all kinds than anything else (in total), so the drop rates seem to have balanced.
You can assume a salvager might work in coop with a few mission-runners clustered together and share the profits, and you expect the salvager to earn the very least say 20 mil per hour or so (split in two with "wreck generator" for 10 mil actual income), and you can now salvage (in this scenario) probably around 500 components in an hour, so just about enough for 2 rigs.
Have you looked the database of the drop rate for missions that is building?
Even saying that your wrek generators can complete all the kills of a mission every 12 minutes, and the salvager can salvage all the cans in the same time, I don't see much missions giving 100 units of salvaged items, and a good number giving nothing.
I fear your hypotesis of 500 units salvaged in an hour is too optimistic.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Etherodyne
Originally by: Akita T
General drop rates (total components) were increased a bit, and looting/salvaging is a bit faster (you know which you have to get really close to, to empty, and which you can directly salvage from 5 km).
So, let's say the general "droppage" increased on average by a factor of 5.
Also, you now finally do get pretty much more circuits of all kinds than anything else (in total), so the drop rates seem to have balanced.
You can assume a salvager might work in coop with a few mission-runners clustered together and share the profits, and you expect the salvager to earn the very least say 20 mil per hour or so (split in two with "wreck generator" for 10 mil actual income), and you can now salvage (in this scenario) probably around 500 components in an hour, so just about enough for 2 rigs.
Have you looked the database of the drop rate for missions that is building?
Even saying that your wrek generators can complete all the kills of a mission every 12 minutes, and the salvager can salvage all the cans in the same time, I don't see much missions giving 100 units of salvaged items, and a good number giving nothing.
I fear your hypotesis of 500 units salvaged in an hour is too optimistic.
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Shayla Etherodyne
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Romeda
As for T2 rigs I've seen a group of peeps get a limited run BPC from a exploration complex, the items needed to make them are specific and I think they only come from faction wreaks, not 100% sure tho.
From the Dev blog and replyes, only from player owned T2 ships.
A great gift for some alliance or pirate group as a isk making tool.
It would be worth to know if building one of the low cost T2 frigates and destroing it will give an economical return in T2 rigs compnents  .
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:02:00 -
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I have 600+ components from salvaging for the past week and I dont play that much, with the increased drop rates I can average at least 100 per day (thats in 2 hours of killing and 1 hour of salvaging)
and a rig only requires 300 components, sure I have to trade the ones I have for those I need, but the rigs are still overly expensive... or profitable if I bothered building them myself (even though not many people buys from from the market history)
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:02:00 -
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Forget mission, go to 0.0 rats.. there is where salvage is really done. You don't get it. CCP does not want people to stay at high sec... everything that can be done to make high sec less atractive will be dfone.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Nero Scuro on 18/12/2006 12:07:31
Originally by: Lirt
10m for a rig???? I hope you are joking. You ever tried salvaging? even after the fix? Some parts are easy to get and these parts are those that are being used by many rigs. But all rigs have a part that is more rare to find and isn't only 5 h of npc as someone said... Npcs drop specific types of rigs and i doubt there are npcs that drop all rig parts for a rig at a good drop rate.
So if you dont know how hard it is dont estimate prices cause you just want them cheap. 50-100 m maybe is a more reasonable price but 5-10m is just a joke.
I have tried salvaging, yes. I'm producing rigs for my alliance (so thankfully I don't have to get into the crazy, wacky world of the overpriced market) and I've already made a few. Ok, so they're all astronautic and projectile rigs because that's all that drops down here in Curse. But I could easily sell them for 10mil a pop, and I'd be happy with that. Assuming people in other 0.0 regions were doing the same we'd easily get all rigs down to 10mil each.
But - hoe noes - maybe you weren't supposed to just be making rigs from doing high sec lvl4 missions on your own? Follow a friend around who's doing lvl4 missions (or ratting in 0.0 like I do) in a dedicated salvage ship. You'll easily make enough components to pop out several rigs a day, and you'll make more than your friend is making doing lvl4 missions!
EDIT - let me put it another way. Do you expect to be able to mine and rat at the same time? No? So why do you assume you can rat and salvage at the same time?
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Forget mission, go to 0.0 rats.. there is where salvage is really done. You don't get it. CCP does not want people to stay at high sec... everything that can be done to make high sec less atractive will be dfone.
yeah that might work for you but some of us actually like to take our loot out of the system :P
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:15:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Xsag
has anyone seen any for sale SINCE the patch came out i was wondering what sort of prices they were going for....i know before the patch ppl where wanting stupid amounts like 500m has this started to come down yet?
there's about a half dozen in rens for about 100-150 million
or there were the last time i checked, go look to see if they're still there.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:18:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Xsag
I think a better question at this point would be WHO HAS SOLD A RIG when did they sell it, what type was it and how much did they sell it for....
this is the quote we should be working on - weve all seen them and how much they are going for - but has anyone actually sold any???
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Shayla Etherodyne
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:39:00 -
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For all the suggestions about: follow a friend mission runner and salvage, you can make "huge" number os salvage units so, ecc. , here is the link to the database:
http://eve.podzone.net/wsdb/
the average on 72 level 4 mission giving salvage is 62,38 salvaged unit for mission.
Add your results too.
I have no dubt that chaining spawns of BS rats in 0.0 you can get hundred of salvage components every hour, but not much people has access to BS spawns, and the ones in 0.0 so far, and as usual even for the future, arent going to sell.
And if I do an expedition in 0.0 I dubt I will bring a salvage ship.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Etherodyne
I have no dubt that chaining spawns of BS rats in 0.0 you can get hundred of salvage components every hour, but not much people has access to BS spawns, and the ones in 0.0 so far, and as usual even for the future, arent going to sell.
And if I do an expedition in 0.0 I dubt I will bring a salvage ship.
Then get some friends. I currently have 3 ships in 0.0 (a brutix for ratting, cormorant for salvage and a badger mk2 for hauling) all were very easy to get down there. I'm in a very small alliance currently stationed around Sendaya which is a hot spot for MC, IAC, IPOD, SoD, etc. It's dangerous by anyones standards.
And yet the only ships I've lost downt there were PvP ships when I was looking for a fight, despite moving indys through a chokepoint almost every day. Weird that. :|
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Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.12.18 13:30:00 -
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No rigs are for sale...and unless your a solo player with no life, I dont see any put on the market for along time.
Allicances and corps are going to make sure their people have them first. Then maybe your be able to buy one for 30 million.
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Redart
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.18 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
t2 rigs however, (that's "insanely overpowered for the calibration cost and you have too much isk" for the uninitiated) are going to be looking into the price range of:
100-450 mil isk per rig
I think you grossly underestimated that since T2 Rig parts only drop from T2 ships.
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