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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 09:41:00 -
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has anyone seen any for sale SINCE the patch came out i was wondering what sort of prices they were going for....i know before the patch ppl where wanting stupid amounts like 500m has this started to come down yet?
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Redart
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.15 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Redart on 15/12/2006 09:57:15
Edited by: Redart on 15/12/2006 09:56:26
My best guestimate is that they will still be around 50 -> 100mil each for low end rigs, due to the amount of time it takes to gather the materials.
Which, I have a couple threads about being mad and I have posted in most the salvaging threads... but I've really started looking more closely and some rigs are pretty uber. Looking mostly at armor rigs, one gives +15% to Armor Repair Cycle rate and another gives +15% to Armor HP.
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.15 09:43:00 -
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Yeah, those prices were retarded, but if there's only one of something on the market people will ask stupid prices and pay even stupider ones. I saw them dipping down to 300-ish mil, by now I'd estimate they're going down to 100-200. I wouldn't buy any rigs/components for at least another week, preferably three.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:10:00 -
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yeah i was thinking around the 10m mark is going to look more likely in a few weeks but im unsure if they will drop lower than that anytime in the near future possibly due to the number of different parts there are and dependant on what ppl want to produce
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Aziza
Gallente
Immobiliare
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Xsag
has anyone seen any for sale SINCE the patch came out i was wondering what sort of prices they were going for....i know before the patch ppl where wanting stupid amounts like 500m has this started to come down yet?
Sure. Ir's between 250 and 350 mil at the moment. Salavage rig is the cheapest. Enjoy.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:24:00 -
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mmm well within a week anyone care to guesstimate value of say missile / shield / cap / ecm rigs - this is what i will be building started doing salvage last night for the first time since patch and the number of circuit boards i got should easily allow for rig production to start taking place within that timescale - although i am interested in using rigs myself - if i can manage to sell a few at a reasonable price say 10/20m then ill finally be able to afford a bs (yay) but id like others opinions / predictions on how realistic im being
thnx
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:25:00 -
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I expect rigs to start from between 5-10 million. Although not a professional salvager I will be fitting my own ship with its first rig this weekend from parts I have slavaged myself plus a few bought of the market (I sold components I did not want to pay for them). Effectively this rig cost me nothing - except a little extra time salvaging ships which I was looting anyway. Within 10 days I expect to have 2 other rigs for my own ships.
Given this is expect professional rigmakers/salvagers to start getting rigs onto the market is reasonable numbers by the new year.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:34:00 -
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yeah i currently use my ferox as a missile boat so tend to have 2 slots spare on it i fit one long range rail and a salvager and salvage and loot as i go since the patch the numbers of parts compared to pre patch are quite satisfactory. Also 5 - 10m would still be a very nice price for rigs imo - get a few of them rolling off the production line and ill be flying that raven in no time :-)
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:40:00 -
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If i had to guess i'd say they'd drop to about 20 mill a pop and stay there for a while until surplus amounts of rigs make it onto the market (as soon as they hit around the 20 mill marker people will buy them and so they'll temporarily stablize.) Afterwards i'd say about 3 months down the line from now i'd say you might find them for 5-10 mill each. At least I hope, it still means however that Rigs are pretty much only for the bigger ships, I mean why give a t1 frig 3 rigs slots if it'll cost you 15-30 mill for the rigs on a ship worth 200k :/
We can always hope for lower prices but it'll take a while.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 10:49:00 -
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well they were clearly never intended to be this expensive (as denoted by the bpo's) but this one of the advantages / disadvantages of a player driven market
:-)
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Oceemia
Caldari
Voice Of X
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:12:00 -
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i think the most wanted rigs (turrets bays/shield armor) will never drop below 50 mio. this simply due to the fact i loose killspeed while ratting. everyone killing stuff for isk is looking for highest ammount of isk/hour.
if salavaging doesnt pay off nobody will salavage -> rig prices go up.
best ragards Oceemia
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:16:00 -
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With the risk of repeating myself for the Nth time...
General drop rates (total components) were increased a bit, and looting/salvaging is a bit faster (you know which you have to get really close to, to empty, and which you can directly salvage from 5 km).
So, let's say the general "droppage" increased on average by a factor of 5.
Also, you now finally do get pretty much more circuits of all kinds than anything else (in total), so the drop rates seem to have balanced.
You can assume a salvager might work in coop with a few mission-runners clustered together and share the profits, and you expect the salvager to earn the very least say 20 mil per hour or so (split in two with "wreck generator" for 10 mil actual income), and you can now salvage (in this scenario) probably around 500 components in an hour, so just about enough for 2 rigs.
So yeah, I would say rig prices in the 5-10 mil range are finally within reach, barely, in the not-very-near future (only after market becomes saturated first and demand isn't so critical anymore).
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:20:00 -
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i got 100 commponents from a level 3 mission so the prices will come down. if u think u need the rig just now then pay the 100 mill if not then just wait some weeks.
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BBQ
Gallente
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:22:00 -
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Well, rig prices are currently stupid
300m for a warhead upgrade one (cant remember exact name).
However, depending on who you work with ingame depends on how much you can get them for as I think most are being kept behind closed doors while they are rare. I am about to start building rigs for my corp and handing them out for free to our members purely because they bring me in a large number of rig components and the increase in component drops has now made manufacture possible.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:23:00 -
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I¦m predicting 20 mill as the base rig price.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
HelpCorp United
Eden's Fire
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:42:00 -
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And now, for
Siigari's Expert Market Pre-evaluation
Most usable tech 1 rigs (that's "way better than and officer-fitted ship" to you who are not up-to-speed with how ship fittings work) are going to be estimated at:
50-110 mil isk per rig
t2 rigs however, (that's "insanely overpowered for the calibration cost and you have too much isk" for the uninitiated) are going to be looking into the price range of:
100-450 mil isk per rig
I have no speculation on "hot" rigs, however there are 2 that I have my eyes laid very set upon. I will stop at nothing to have them >=|
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:46:00 -
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Once there are a reasonable quantity of rigs on the market we will see lower prices. Most of those currently being manufactured are being gitted to the builders own ship.
Even for the most attractive t1 rigs I don't see prices of much over 10 million. After all I can and will build them for myself or get a corpmate to do so - I get the components for nothing as part of normal activities. Circuits were a bottleneck bu that is no longer the case.
Why would I give you 50 million for something I can make for myself in a few days without changing my regular activities 1 iota ?
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Berndarmin
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:50:00 -
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Well looking at the rate that parts drop when salvageing it takes me about 5 hours of rating to beable to build 1 rig once i have the parts to build en mass im looking at selling them from 20-50 mill each
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:50:00 -
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The prices will drop, but it will take a while.
Right now nobody has rigs, everybody wants them. There's players prepared to pay high prices, as they get the rigs they want they will leave the marketplace, and sellers will have to drop their prices in order to make a sale.
The level of economic stupidity running rampant in Eve is shocking, why can't people understand simple supply and demand?
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2006.12.15 11:57:00 -
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rigs arnt supply and demand though, they are based on salvagers idea of the value of thier own time, rigs will fall to the minimum people are willing to salvage for then stop at the moment this is atleast 50mill a rig, how many suppliers and demanders will only increase this cost
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:04:00 -
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Why exactly are there rig slots on T1 frigs?
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dread Phantom
rigs arnt supply and demand though, they are based on salvagers idea of the value of thier own time, rigs will fall to the minimum people are willing to salvage for then stop at the moment this is atleast 50mill a rig, how many suppliers and demanders will only increase this cost
That's what I'm talking about.
You don't decide what price something sells at. You decide what price you want to sell at, and if that meets the price someone wants to buy at, you get a sale.
You price something as high as you can that will still sell.
It's simple economics and you don't seem to understand.
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Max Hammer
SPECTRE Ops
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Why exactly are there rig slots on T1 frigs?
because... 800 t1 frigs is better then 1 frig with 1 rig :)
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Hotice
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:19:00 -
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So far, I've built one cap recharge rig, 1 laser optm range rig and 1 projectile rof rig. I'm using them on my absolution, and sleipnir. I think many who have built a few riggs are on the same boat, they are using them instead of selling. Wait for a few more weeks then you will start to see riggs at decent price as more parts are being collected. I did 18 missions to build those riggs. 6 of those missions were lvl 4 vengeace and 3 were angel extravaganza. That is a lot of work, so I can understand why rig price still very high.
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Romeda
Minmatar
Trojan industries
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:29:00 -
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I do a load of salvage work and I think the final settle price of rigs will be about 100mil to 200mil, I say this because of the long time it takes to make a good number of rigs, also the components are region/faction specific. Your best bet is to make them yourself either with buying off the market or salvaging what is needed.
I also saw some guy last night selling a speed rig for 480mil, EVE players are going to have to understand that people are not going to pay that kind of money for something like that, a single rig should not be considered a ISK-win-button.
As for T2 rigs I've seen a group of peeps get a limited run BPC from a exploration complex, the items needed to make them are specific and I think they only come from faction wreaks, not 100% sure tho.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.15 14:00:00 -
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mmm this is all interesting stuff and the sort of debate that is informative rather than a troll/flame fest (a nice change i might add).
ill be getting all my rig production skills done over the next few days (for the rigs i intend to make), if there are no rigs for sale in the region i will set the price at 50m / unit if there are rigs for sale at similiar prices i will take that into consideration first (ofc), but personally speaking demand is high but as someone else pointed out not high enough to pay 450m for a t1 rig, i think 10m - 50m is probably a ballpark figure of what sort of prices ppl will be willing to pay in the short term, however in the mid term this may well drop some more (and although id like it to stay that high(for personal reasons) i think it will definitely drop further than that.
(as more choice of sellers becomes available)
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Forino Ovoli
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Posted - 2006.12.15 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: BBQ
Well, rig prices are currently stupid
300m for a warhead upgrade one (cant remember exact name).
The only way 300M for a rig is stupid is if it remains on the market and no one ever buys it. In that case, the rig was overpriced and the seller was "stupid" for not being able to sell it.
If, on the other hand, you are referring to an actual price that the rig SOLD for, then the buyer and seller "agreed" on a price and the system worked.
Sellers do not determine prices - buyers do! As long as someone (perhaps, someone foolish, but that's not for me to decide) is willing to pay that much then that's where the price will be.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:00:00 -
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I can see how all of the rig producers have no problem with the rig prices settling at a "low" price of 50m.... BUT.
I sort of object to the fact that they are going to remain that expensive, Who in their right mind is going to put a 50m rig on ANY t1 ship of cruiser or frigate size? Are these ships meant to just not use rigs? (I highly doubt this, otherwise CCP would not have given them 3 slots and a calibration value).
I am hoping that once people get thier skills up (both statistically, and concerning the actual operation), that we will be seeing more of the components on the market, which should drive the prices of said components down, which in turn will drive the final rig prices down out of the stratosphere.
I guess the other side of the coin would be that CCP intends rigs to be a major isk sink, and they will be another toy for the very rich to use and lose, while the people in game who don't have the play time (or cash to dump on GTC's) will not be able to really benifit from them. Scenario; Joe Richguy supports his PvP by buying GTC's and trading for ISK, He sets up all his ships so they are really maxed out with all the available modules/rigs, while in the past he would have still had an advantage over Mr Playsafewhoursanite, now he will have an even bigger advantage, because his ships will be another step above Mr Playsafew, while Playsafew is still stuck fitting whatever he can afford.
This is not meant to be a rant, I just feel that rigs should not be isolated to the most elite/wealthy players, that they should be as common as any other T1 module.
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Forino Ovoli
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag
if there are no rigs for sale in the region i will set the price at 50m / unit if there are rigs for sale at similiar prices i will take that into consideration first (ofc), but personally speaking demand is high but as someone else pointed out not high enough to pay 450m for a t1 rig
If there's rigs selling at 450M and I see rigs for sale at 50M I'd happily purchase the 50M one and put it up for 300M or 350M and make a quick 600% to 700% profit with very little effort.
For the short term the market is going to determine the prices. Despite anyone's best intentions, you will not be able to come in as some good samaritan and lower the price because some profiteering businessman will be there to profit off your attempt to do so.
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar
Phoenix Tech Industries
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.12.15 15:01:00 -
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I have one up on the sell forums (Anti-Thermic Pump 1 - 30% to thermal resist on armor) with a starting bid of 75 million. This may be inflated from future prices, but it cost me a lot of time and isk to procure the materials needed to build it so it is not really that much markup on it at all at this point.
I expect future prices will drop a lot though and 20-25m each will become standard for rigs.
CT
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