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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:43:21 -
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When CCP destroyed all the uses for standing to all the PVE community they gave us nothing back. But on top of that we are stuck with loyalty points scattered between the whole galay.
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we would't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
Did they add anything to encourage you to get standing from smaller npc corporations? Of course not
Did they remove without warning the benefits of having standing with smaller npc corporations? Yes
How can it not be fair if they are going to screw over everyone to at least not make us have to eat all the loyalty that way too.
Or add content, but you should of done that already. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26011
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:10:04 -
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The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
4094
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:28:43 -
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Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in?
Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary...
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26013
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:35:34 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P. Not really. The only thing that has changed in that regard are jump clones, and that was just a horrible grind for no sensible reason and with no connection to the activity it was somehow reliant on.
It was bound to be detached from missions sooner or later and the only loss here is that it robbed some players of an interesting (if very minor) service profession.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
861
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:48:35 -
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Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in?
I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
806
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:11:01 -
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So me being able to install a JC anywhere is bad because you don't know how to open up the LP store?
GTFO |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26016
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:22:02 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything.
That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. 
It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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David Therman
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:25:59 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
956
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:10:44 -
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David Therman wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid.
Also... Wasn't this an unintended change that CCP didn't realize would occur? |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:25:51 -
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The purpose of the change was making it easier to install a jc in a region of choice to counter jump fatigue that would pretty much tie a char in a null region. Has nothing to do with LP or PVE.
One of the good changes along with clone grades removal and longer skill queue. Number of installed jc and the time between jumps is still limited by skills so what seems to be the issue?
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17000
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:35:27 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:When CCP destroyed all the uses for standing to all the PVE community they gave us nothing back. But on top of that we are stuck with loyalty points scattered between the whole galaxy.
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
Did they add anything to encourage you to get standing from smaller npc corporations? Of course not
Did they remove without warning the benefits of having standing with smaller npc corporations? Yes
How can it not be fair if they are going to screw over everyone to at least not make us have to eat all the loyalty that way too.
Or add content for standings, but you should of done that already.
Do you even care about the countless hours of work you screwed people out of?
Can you quantify exactly how you're worse off?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12348
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:20:51 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in? Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary...
I'm a PVEr, and I feel 'relevant'. Then again, i don't limit my PVE to just the starter class BS of high sec...
I guess I'm doing it wrong and should act like someone is victimizing me, I'll be a real PVEr then! |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12348
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:24:04 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:When CCP destroyed all the uses for standing to all the PVE community
Every time i see this, I wonder if it's something about High Sec PVE that attracts people who can't speak for themselves, but rather appoint themselves to the position of spokesperson. Why is it so hard to say "you know, I don't like this" rather than "you screwed all of us over"?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2570
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Posted - 2015.09.10 13:21:30 -
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So... the sole reason people PVE was to grind standings to establish jump clones?
Good lord i was doing it so wrong for so many years.
Can I feel retroactively invalidated?
I mean I do PVP mostly now, but I still run a few missions now and then. Some of them are even my own.
Is it wrong I feel relieved instead of outraged because of these changes?
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Paranoid Loyd
6844
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Posted - 2015.09.10 13:23:08 -
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3/10
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2570
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Posted - 2015.09.10 13:28:21 -
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Just in case, can I buy a spare pitchfork from you Loyd?
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25028
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:15:20 -
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Oh do shut up OP, when they dropped the standing requirements for hisec POS's I lost 50% of my income stream. I didn't feel the need to whine about it on the forums and simply found another source of income.
Grow up, deal with it, and stop being a whiny little kid.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8480
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:25:35 -
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'Transfer' is a transitive verb - you need an object in the title of this thread. I suggest you edit it immediately.
As to the content of the OP, I didn't read it. It's a brilliant/awful idea (delete as appropriate).
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:42:47 -
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As a PvEer... I do not get what is being asked for.
Transfer LP cause no longer need grind for jump clones? I have not noticed changes in LP mechanics....
Really. How has standings changes changed anything for LP? Is it because you ran secondary factions to gain something and now dont have to? LP was useless before. You gained elsewhere. If you actully used LP, then standings stuff wouldnt matter either.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
286
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:55:19 -
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Wat?
How are LPs connected to jump clones?
Also why did you grind standing with so many different corps just to make jump clones? You only needed standings with a single corp to make jump clones. |
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
231
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Posted - 2015.09.10 16:49:09 -
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hmmmm.....
Ok lets forget about standings
Lets forget about POS requirements
Lets forget about JumpClones
Lets mostly forget about market trading here
Lets forget about grinding missions......
There is already a precedence fro exchanging LP set by CCP....Concord to whom ever...
And now when once they get the Drifter thing sorted out....whats next Amarr Imperial LP converted to whom ever?
Follwed eventually by other factions???
I would support an ability to convert LP from one corp to another as i think such an idea is long overdue.
It even has a basis in the Lore....corp script, which is exchanged in favor of the corp receiving the other type of script...especially amongst Caldari corps....this makes employees prefer to stay in their current corps instead of switching locale because they lose a lot of wealth doing so.
Now i would feel sorry for the poor CCP Dev that would be given the assigment to determine the fracturing and factoring of LP conversion rates between the different corporations in game....and pirate groups, a task to be done way before trying to program into the game.
Such a thing though could lead to
1.) RP players would better be able to follow and track the political intracies between npc corps based of these Conversion rates
2.) Players would have more freedom to convert silly small amounts left over to where ever they are working closest atm.
3.) Maybe we could convert all oour LP to Concord LP(if that isnt possible now)
4.) All the above of course will add a slight new element for LP traders and the like to mess around with.
5.) and maybe just maybe, such a new change could be the fotthold of finally creating a real stock trading system...adn not just for player corps but the NPC's as well...how well does your indy corp measure up to the big boyz for example.
But like i said already I would feel sorry for the 1 dev given this assignment....1 or 2 Caldari corps might take Guristas LP, Guristas might convert all of them or select few plus others from certain factions....and the list goes on from that example.
Plus the Factoring between corps should come first and their Faction 2nd as a basis of conversion rates or if they will do so at all. NPC corps for practically every faction can be found in every faction, but as in the Caldari there is factions with in it, allies and enemies and just plain competitors....IMHO it might take a single Dev 6 months to a year to sort it out...and another few weeks to a few months to apply the finishing touches to a roadmap that makes sense for both LORE, and player community before the programming team could even begin to code it in.
anywa just my 2 cents on this
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:34:56 -
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So because CCP removed content on me of which I had no choice, then added no new content for me, I am now stuck with loyalty points scattered all over the galaxy.
Is it really asking much to be allowed to consolidate loyalty points after this unannounced change?
The response to this thread are mostly typical, and it shows why we need personnel changes at CCP.
They only cater to the power bloc crowd, have no interest in the PVE crowd even though they KNOW it represents their core community.
Why did I work for so many little corporations?
I though jump cloning all over mattered, it sure did for my corpmates, but now It just means I get laughed at because I did work.
This is the precedent CCP sets here, do work, follow the rules, get massively s**t on, thanks CCP.
They didn't even TRY to even things out, they are lazy, and pitiful.
You ask why people are leaving, I show you pretty obvious reasoning, you defend stupidity.
No wonder people think this game is trash, the devs big job was to say sorry.
Could of hired homeless people to do that. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1647
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:39:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in? Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary... I'm a PVEr, and I feel 'relevant'. Then again, i don't limit my PVE to just the starter class BS of high sec... I guess I'm doing it wrong and should act like someone is victimizing me, I'll be a real PVEr then!
wow all this time I have been a victim 
I NEED COMPENSATION! AND I WANT IT NOW
*sarcasm off*
@ChainsawPlankto
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:40:13 -
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David Therman wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid.
If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9388
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:55:06 -
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And they did not made Skin bug into a feature!
Its like noone wanted it, or used it, right CCP?
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1647
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Posted - 2015.09.10 19:32:14 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.
you did what!?
@ChainsawPlankto
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
916
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Posted - 2015.09.10 20:05:58 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:
If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.
Oh dear. I have jumpclones all over the place. My other characters do as well. Each character only farmed for 8.0 standing with 1 corporation in order to be able to do this. No need to grind standings for 100 different corporations at all, even before the changes. |
Paranoid Loyd
6844
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Posted - 2015.09.10 20:09:30 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:100 corporations to 8.0 standing U WAT?!? 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26030
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Posted - 2015.09.10 20:36:52 -
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Max Deveron wrote:hmmmm.....
Ok lets forget about standings
Lets forget about POS requirements
Lets forget about JumpClones
Lets mostly forget about market trading here
Lets forget about grinding missions.....
There is already a precedence fro exchanging LP set by CCP....Concord to whom ever.... That's part of the mystery, really.
There is some kernel of a sane complaint in the OP, but it's hidden behind all that GRRR about standings, and among the ones you've listed, only one would actually fit what the OP is GRRR:ing about.
Aanyway, the problem with LP exchange is that it somewhat reduces the point of having the various LP stores. If anything, it would make more sense to remove the ConcordGåÆWhatever exchange to stop devaluing all other LP.
Sugar Smacks wrote:So because CCP removed content on me of which I had no choice, then added no new content for me, I am now stuck with loyalty points scattered all over the galaxy. How are you stuck with them? What's keeping you from cashing in? What content was removed that now somehow disallows you from using your LP? Your complaint makes no sense.
Quote:Why did I work for so many little corporations? Good question. Why did you? What did you imagine that a bunch of smaller corps would give you?
Quote:100 corporations to 8.0 standing No, really. Whyyyyy?!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11724
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Posted - 2015.09.10 21:00:30 -
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To be fair, if I'd managed to get around 100 corps to 8.0 I'd be fairly squirrley by the end of it.
Given that little nugget of context I'm not surprised the complaint isn't entirely "sensible"
I'm more impressed that she's still able to string words together consistently,
let alone complain about something vaguely related to lp.
In all honesty I think most of us would be learing at our nurses by that point.
Better the Devil you know.
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