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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:43:21 -
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When CCP destroyed all the uses for standing to all the PVE community they gave us nothing back. But on top of that we are stuck with loyalty points scattered between the whole galay.
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we would't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
Did they add anything to encourage you to get standing from smaller npc corporations? Of course not
Did they remove without warning the benefits of having standing with smaller npc corporations? Yes
How can it not be fair if they are going to screw over everyone to at least not make us have to eat all the loyalty that way too.
Or add content, but you should of done that already. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26011
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:10:04 -
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The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
4094
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:28:43 -
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Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in?
Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary...
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26013
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:35:34 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P. Not really. The only thing that has changed in that regard are jump clones, and that was just a horrible grind for no sensible reason and with no connection to the activity it was somehow reliant on.
It was bound to be detached from missions sooner or later and the only loss here is that it robbed some players of an interesting (if very minor) service profession.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
861
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Posted - 2015.09.10 09:48:35 -
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Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in?
I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
806
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:11:01 -
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So me being able to install a JC anywhere is bad because you don't know how to open up the LP store?
GTFO |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26016
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:22:02 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything.
That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. 
It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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David Therman
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:25:59 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
956
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:10:44 -
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David Therman wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid.
Also... Wasn't this an unintended change that CCP didn't realize would occur? |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:25:51 -
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The purpose of the change was making it easier to install a jc in a region of choice to counter jump fatigue that would pretty much tie a char in a null region. Has nothing to do with LP or PVE.
One of the good changes along with clone grades removal and longer skill queue. Number of installed jc and the time between jumps is still limited by skills so what seems to be the issue?
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17000
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:35:27 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:When CCP destroyed all the uses for standing to all the PVE community they gave us nothing back. But on top of that we are stuck with loyalty points scattered between the whole galaxy.
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
Did they add anything to encourage you to get standing from smaller npc corporations? Of course not
Did they remove without warning the benefits of having standing with smaller npc corporations? Yes
How can it not be fair if they are going to screw over everyone to at least not make us have to eat all the loyalty that way too.
Or add content for standings, but you should of done that already.
Do you even care about the countless hours of work you screwed people out of?
Can you quantify exactly how you're worse off?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12348
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:20:51 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in? Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary...
I'm a PVEr, and I feel 'relevant'. Then again, i don't limit my PVE to just the starter class BS of high sec...
I guess I'm doing it wrong and should act like someone is victimizing me, I'll be a real PVEr then! |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12348
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:24:04 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:When CCP destroyed all the uses for standing to all the PVE community
Every time i see this, I wonder if it's something about High Sec PVE that attracts people who can't speak for themselves, but rather appoint themselves to the position of spokesperson. Why is it so hard to say "you know, I don't like this" rather than "you screwed all of us over"?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2570
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Posted - 2015.09.10 13:21:30 -
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So... the sole reason people PVE was to grind standings to establish jump clones?
Good lord i was doing it so wrong for so many years.
Can I feel retroactively invalidated?
I mean I do PVP mostly now, but I still run a few missions now and then. Some of them are even my own.
Is it wrong I feel relieved instead of outraged because of these changes?
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Paranoid Loyd
6844
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Posted - 2015.09.10 13:23:08 -
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3/10
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2570
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Posted - 2015.09.10 13:28:21 -
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Just in case, can I buy a spare pitchfork from you Loyd?
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25028
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:15:20 -
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Oh do shut up OP, when they dropped the standing requirements for hisec POS's I lost 50% of my income stream. I didn't feel the need to whine about it on the forums and simply found another source of income.
Grow up, deal with it, and stop being a whiny little kid.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8480
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:25:35 -
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'Transfer' is a transitive verb - you need an object in the title of this thread. I suggest you edit it immediately.
As to the content of the OP, I didn't read it. It's a brilliant/awful idea (delete as appropriate).
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:42:47 -
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As a PvEer... I do not get what is being asked for.
Transfer LP cause no longer need grind for jump clones? I have not noticed changes in LP mechanics....
Really. How has standings changes changed anything for LP? Is it because you ran secondary factions to gain something and now dont have to? LP was useless before. You gained elsewhere. If you actully used LP, then standings stuff wouldnt matter either.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
286
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:55:19 -
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Wat?
How are LPs connected to jump clones?
Also why did you grind standing with so many different corps just to make jump clones? You only needed standings with a single corp to make jump clones. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
231
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Posted - 2015.09.10 16:49:09 -
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hmmmm.....
Ok lets forget about standings
Lets forget about POS requirements
Lets forget about JumpClones
Lets mostly forget about market trading here
Lets forget about grinding missions......
There is already a precedence fro exchanging LP set by CCP....Concord to whom ever...
And now when once they get the Drifter thing sorted out....whats next Amarr Imperial LP converted to whom ever?
Follwed eventually by other factions???
I would support an ability to convert LP from one corp to another as i think such an idea is long overdue.
It even has a basis in the Lore....corp script, which is exchanged in favor of the corp receiving the other type of script...especially amongst Caldari corps....this makes employees prefer to stay in their current corps instead of switching locale because they lose a lot of wealth doing so.
Now i would feel sorry for the poor CCP Dev that would be given the assigment to determine the fracturing and factoring of LP conversion rates between the different corporations in game....and pirate groups, a task to be done way before trying to program into the game.
Such a thing though could lead to
1.) RP players would better be able to follow and track the political intracies between npc corps based of these Conversion rates
2.) Players would have more freedom to convert silly small amounts left over to where ever they are working closest atm.
3.) Maybe we could convert all oour LP to Concord LP(if that isnt possible now)
4.) All the above of course will add a slight new element for LP traders and the like to mess around with.
5.) and maybe just maybe, such a new change could be the fotthold of finally creating a real stock trading system...adn not just for player corps but the NPC's as well...how well does your indy corp measure up to the big boyz for example.
But like i said already I would feel sorry for the 1 dev given this assignment....1 or 2 Caldari corps might take Guristas LP, Guristas might convert all of them or select few plus others from certain factions....and the list goes on from that example.
Plus the Factoring between corps should come first and their Faction 2nd as a basis of conversion rates or if they will do so at all. NPC corps for practically every faction can be found in every faction, but as in the Caldari there is factions with in it, allies and enemies and just plain competitors....IMHO it might take a single Dev 6 months to a year to sort it out...and another few weeks to a few months to apply the finishing touches to a roadmap that makes sense for both LORE, and player community before the programming team could even begin to code it in.
anywa just my 2 cents on this
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:34:56 -
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So because CCP removed content on me of which I had no choice, then added no new content for me, I am now stuck with loyalty points scattered all over the galaxy.
Is it really asking much to be allowed to consolidate loyalty points after this unannounced change?
The response to this thread are mostly typical, and it shows why we need personnel changes at CCP.
They only cater to the power bloc crowd, have no interest in the PVE crowd even though they KNOW it represents their core community.
Why did I work for so many little corporations?
I though jump cloning all over mattered, it sure did for my corpmates, but now It just means I get laughed at because I did work.
This is the precedent CCP sets here, do work, follow the rules, get massively s**t on, thanks CCP.
They didn't even TRY to even things out, they are lazy, and pitiful.
You ask why people are leaving, I show you pretty obvious reasoning, you defend stupidity.
No wonder people think this game is trash, the devs big job was to say sorry.
Could of hired homeless people to do that. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1647
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:39:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in? Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary... I'm a PVEr, and I feel 'relevant'. Then again, i don't limit my PVE to just the starter class BS of high sec... I guess I'm doing it wrong and should act like someone is victimizing me, I'll be a real PVEr then!
wow all this time I have been a victim 
I NEED COMPENSATION! AND I WANT IT NOW
*sarcasm off*
@ChainsawPlankto
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:40:13 -
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David Therman wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid.
If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9388
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Posted - 2015.09.10 18:55:06 -
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And they did not made Skin bug into a feature!
Its like noone wanted it, or used it, right CCP?
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1647
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Posted - 2015.09.10 19:32:14 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.
you did what!?
@ChainsawPlankto
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
916
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Posted - 2015.09.10 20:05:58 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:
If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.
Oh dear. I have jumpclones all over the place. My other characters do as well. Each character only farmed for 8.0 standing with 1 corporation in order to be able to do this. No need to grind standings for 100 different corporations at all, even before the changes. |
Paranoid Loyd
6844
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Posted - 2015.09.10 20:09:30 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:100 corporations to 8.0 standing U WAT?!? 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26030
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Posted - 2015.09.10 20:36:52 -
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Max Deveron wrote:hmmmm.....
Ok lets forget about standings
Lets forget about POS requirements
Lets forget about JumpClones
Lets mostly forget about market trading here
Lets forget about grinding missions.....
There is already a precedence fro exchanging LP set by CCP....Concord to whom ever.... That's part of the mystery, really.
There is some kernel of a sane complaint in the OP, but it's hidden behind all that GRRR about standings, and among the ones you've listed, only one would actually fit what the OP is GRRR:ing about.
Aanyway, the problem with LP exchange is that it somewhat reduces the point of having the various LP stores. If anything, it would make more sense to remove the ConcordGåÆWhatever exchange to stop devaluing all other LP.
Sugar Smacks wrote:So because CCP removed content on me of which I had no choice, then added no new content for me, I am now stuck with loyalty points scattered all over the galaxy. How are you stuck with them? What's keeping you from cashing in? What content was removed that now somehow disallows you from using your LP? Your complaint makes no sense.
Quote:Why did I work for so many little corporations? Good question. Why did you? What did you imagine that a bunch of smaller corps would give you?
Quote:100 corporations to 8.0 standing No, really. Whyyyyy?!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11724
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Posted - 2015.09.10 21:00:30 -
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To be fair, if I'd managed to get around 100 corps to 8.0 I'd be fairly squirrley by the end of it.
Given that little nugget of context I'm not surprised the complaint isn't entirely "sensible"
I'm more impressed that she's still able to string words together consistently,
let alone complain about something vaguely related to lp.
In all honesty I think most of us would be learing at our nurses by that point.
Better the Devil you know.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
916
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Posted - 2015.09.10 22:29:41 -
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Setting aside the nonsensical stuff about standings in this topic... I would like to be able to delete unwanted LP from my journal. I'd like to be able to forfeit expeditions I'm not interested in and clear those out of my journal as well. Everything must be neat and tidy. Scrub scrub scrub. Squeaky clean. Everything squeaky clean. /OCD |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
604
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Posted - 2015.09.10 23:06:48 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Setting aside the nonsensical stuff about standings in this topic... I would like to be able to delete unwanted LP from my journal. I'd like to be able to forfeit expeditions I'm not interested in and clear those out of my journal as well. Everything must be neat and tidy. Scrub scrub scrub. Squeaky clean. Everything squeaky clean. /OCD
^This. I don't want a refund of "loose" LP, just to be able to at least sort the damn list a bit more. If I were to be a materialistic weasel in all this, I'd also like to ask for a "Right-click" option to set a waypoint to nearest station with that LP store.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round
Intrepid Crossing
605
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:40:04 -
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Standings should be more important.
I'd like to get a 10.0 standing with the angel cartel and hang out with them in an asteroid belt.
Cloak inside of an anomaly and come out when the guy's tank is getting stressed to blow him up with zero interference from the angel ships cuz we're bros. |
Reiisha
Repracor Industries
765
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:52:31 -
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Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread?
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17018
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:21:17 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:David Therman wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid. If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken. Its best to learn about a subject before commenting.
If you ground 8.0 standings with 100!!! NPC corps... the only explaination I can think of for that is that for some bizarre reason you thought you needed 8.0 to even leave a clone you can jump to in a station.
I mean sure I'm laughing at you here, but I am also kind of horrified at the amount of effort you put into such a pointless goal (It was pointless even before the change.)
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11740
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:24:43 -
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Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread?
Nothing, I think it's a cry for help more than anything else.
Better the Devil you know.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17020
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:29:13 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread? Nothing, I think it's a cry for help more than anything else.
I mean jeez I thought I was kind of overdoing it by having a total of... 8 or so hi sec corps to L4 standings across 4 characters on 2 accounts, just to make sure that I could easily relocate and have a fallback income source in hisec "just in case". And JC standings for the Angels corps are a sensible goal for someone who spends a bunch of time in Curse.
But 8.0 standings for a hundred NPC corps? I can't imagine how much time that must have taken. I don't want to try.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1654
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:31:33 -
[38] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread?
no standings requirement for jump clones from npc stations. which is honestly a nice quality of life thing for most people. and even though I have high standings to a decent number of corps, I prefer it the new way.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17021
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:36:32 -
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Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.09.11 22:14:49 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here?
To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer.
Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful.
They could always add content to make standing with smaller corporations usefull, but comon lets face some facts.
CCP knows there is an overwhelming majority of players who PVE or mission run.
The only new content these players have gotten in years is burner missions.
Have they added other content for lowsec or nullsec, well yes of course.
If the majority of your playerbase does one thing, and you provide content for the others instead, who are you working for?
How does adding content for the few over the many help EVE?
The problem goes back to gross corruption of ideas due to their belief of what you should be doing.
Not what you want to do, what they want you to do. Instead of making both option viable they have chosen, badly.
Yet the course continues with no thought to the majority of the playerbase without direction and little thought.
When you ignore the majority of the players they move on, as i will im sure as this place is stagnant as always. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25034
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:29:17 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here? To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer. Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful. You screwed yourself by taking the hard road to jump clones. Jump clones have been easily obtained for years, by joining Estel Arador for 24 hours and using their standings to drop a JC pretty much anywhere in the universe.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled
3
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:50:08 -
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There is a way to provide feedback and ask/look for solutions to problems that come with a change in EVE.
And there is: GIMME STUFF COS REASONS AND EVE WILL DIE IF I DON'T GET WHAT I WANT.
Ask yourself , what do you think is more constructive and which one do you belong to?
I am sorry but I am getting really tired of the : WE THE PPL DEMAND - attitude.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
40058
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Posted - 2015.09.12 03:49:26 -
[43] - Quote
Sugar Smacks wrote:So because CCP removed content on me of which I had no choice, then added no new content for me, I am now stuck with loyalty points scattered all over the galaxy
What content did CCP remove from you with nothing new?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26038
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Posted - 2015.09.12 09:39:24 -
[44] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly has changed about standings and LP recently that warrants this thread?
Nothing has change about LP; the only thing that has changed about standings is that you no longer need 8.0 to install a jump clone. The OP was under the belief that he needed a ton of corps in order to install his jump clones, when all he needed was one, from which he could install new clones and position as needed. Nothing was removed from the OP.
Sugar Smacks wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sugar Smacks, could you clarify exactly why you went to the trouble of getting 8.0 standings with 100 NPC corps? I assume it relates to jump clones, but what exactly was the motivation here? To provide jump clones all over the place, its not a complicated answer. It's not complicated, no GÇö just senseless.
You needed one corp, at most, to 8.0 to have jump clones all over the place. Fewer if you were willing to use player services.
Quote:Getting to consolidate Loyalty points without penalty unlike Concord, would at least make the total screwing i got a little less painful. But you weren't screwed. You just didn't read up on the mechanics involved GÇö that's not something CCP can (or even should) compensate you for. You lost nothing. No content was removed from you. You made a mistake based on unfamiliarity of the game, and that's sad, but now you've learned a valuable lesson: figure out how stuff works before trying to mass-process it.
Also, so what if you have LP all over the place? With 100 corps, it's less than 50k LP, which isn't even worth any significant amount of ISK.
Quote:How does adding content for the few over the many help EVE? It helps in making the few increase in numbers and not just leave, since they've been left unattended and their problems unfixed for a very long time.
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
384
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Posted - 2015.09.12 18:36:49 -
[45] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything. That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings.
Life was so much better when we used salt as currency. At least that you could properly rub into wounds of your defeated enemies.
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
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Ferrucio Surge
Solaris Legionnaires
6
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Posted - 2015.09.13 03:36:54 -
[46] - Quote
As much as I love PVE and missions, and hope CCP will continue to give attention to PVE players in the game, I consider this a non-issue. It may be inconvenient on one end, but having access to Jump Clones anywhere sounds like a better deal than having to grind JUST for that. Maybe CCP should transfer all unusable LP to CONCORD or something, but that hardly merits so much anger. I'd rather not make the rest of the EVE community laugh at PVE players and marginalize them for getting so worked up about little things, and then when PVE really has an issue or is being neglected, it becomes a Boy-who-cried-wolf scenario. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
942
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Posted - 2015.09.13 04:14:42 -
[47] - Quote
OP before you go i would appreciate you contracting your stuff to this char.
If so thanks. |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
234
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:02:10 -
[48] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting. you did what!?
To the folks that continued to harangue and meringue the OP, you just don't understand DEDICATION! (and also the possibility of finding the OP in a very blinged-out Marauder because of all that isk they piled up)
I took all the corps to 5 or above on an alt, but that's because I wanted all the L4s available. Because I like it that way.
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pyroxer reaper
Industrial School of Mining
0
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:12:42 -
[49] - Quote
Removing the need to grind standings or corp dropping for a spare clone was the best "mistake" CCP ever made. jump clones are too useful to be restricted like that. However I see the point you are trying to make, that you did all the work for that specific goal then... BAM! how you like these apples lol.
It would be cool to see standings have more purpose in eve, to give players from all the different profession's a reason to have good standings with at least 1 corp/faction
If people are putting in the effort to get 9.0-10.0 standings there should be some really nive incentives to get that. If CCP ever plan to add more burner missions and other PVE content through agents I hope they would make it worthwhile 1st.
What id like to see
Miners get better refining rates and better ores/yields from mining missions
Locate agents take less time to cool down and take less time to sent you a mail
Get more LP for running missions and LP prices get lowered at very high standing lvl
Faction ship skins become available to those who have earned it 10.0 FTW (also for 10.0 id like to see a butler in my captains quarters)
Tax rates gets lowered for trading
( i'm sure there is alot of options in eve where standings can help you and not be that big of a deal if you don't have them)
and with all the new structures coming to eve i wonder if there will be an ability to earn standings to use with player owned things |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1676
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:37:08 -
[50] - Quote
Joia Crenca wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken.
Its best to learn about a subject before commenting. you did what!? To the folks that continued to harangue and meringue the OP, you just don't understand DEDICATION! (and also the possibility of finding the OP in a very blinged-out Marauder because of all that isk they piled up) I took all the corps to 5 or above on an alt, but that's because I wanted all the L4s available. Because I like it that way.
Probably quicker and easier to get faction standings to 5. I'm not sure how well that works for all the various factions, but can be done with many of them. that said way too much effort to balance all them imo, if I need to fix one group specifically I'm sure I can in rather short order.
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise
Apocalypse Now.
123
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:28:28 -
[51] - Quote
Just from reading the front page
You all forgot the high-sec POS requirements with standing. Those where a much greater lose to people in reasons to grind standings.
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Ferrucio Surge
Solaris Legionnaires
6
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Posted - 2015.09.13 07:25:21 -
[52] - Quote
pyroxer reaper wrote:Removing the need to grind standings or corp dropping for a spare clone was the best "mistake" CCP ever made. jump clones are too useful to be restricted like that. However I see the point you are trying to make, that you did all the work for that specific goal then... BAM! how you like these apples lol.
It would be cool to see standings have more purpose in eve, to give players from all the different profession's a reason to have good standings with at least 1 corp/faction
If people are putting in the effort to get 9.0-10.0 standings there should be some really nice incentives to get that. If CCP ever plan to add more burner missions and other PVE content through agents I hope they would make it worthwhile 1st.
What id like to see
Miners get better refining rates and better ores/yields from mining missions
Locate agents take less time to cool down and take less time to send you a mail
Get more LP for running missions and LP prices get lowered at very high standing lvl
Faction ship skins become available to those who have earned it 10.0 FTW (also for 10.0 id like to see a butler in my captains quarters)
Tax rates gets lowered for trading
( i'm sure there is alot of options in eve where standings can help you and not be that big of a deal if you don't have them)
and with all the new structures coming to eve i wonder if there will be an ability to earn standings to use with player owned things
I agree that Standings could use more benefits kinda like this. Would have to work it out, though |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise
Apocalypse Now.
124
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Posted - 2015.09.13 07:37:47 -
[53] - Quote
Something else I posted before somewhere!
The LP stores are to similar in what the provide across their faction.
Navy stores should supply the BPCs for the items. The other corps could provide racial materials used in those BPCs.
This would divid the ratters up as they would have to find a balance between farming for the BPCs and farming the materials needed to help produce the faction loot.
The customs office corps should have hybrid/other faction goods. I.e. I could run Fed Customs mission for their LP and buy BPCs for Caldari missiles.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26055
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Posted - 2015.09.13 08:44:05 -
[54] - Quote
Amarisen Gream wrote:Just from reading the front page
You all forgot the high-sec POS requirements with standing. Those where a much greater lose to people in reasons to grind standings.
They also had nothing to do with corp standings, LP, or the OP's mistake in grinding 100 different corps to 8.0.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Scope Works
Dead Terrorists
1994
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Posted - 2015.09.13 09:14:22 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Tippia wrote:The benefits from having standing with a small NPC corporation is pretty much the same as they always were, and they were never particularly relevant.
Also, how are you GÇ£stuckGÇ¥ with LP? Why aren't you cashing it in? Oh yes, now everyone can have F2P what used to be B2P... but hey. It's not as if CCP had a tradition to make PvErs feel relevant, quite the contrary...
Actually this last patch has made PVE more relevant in eve than it ever has been before. Even the Imperium is staging mining ops.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3646
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Posted - 2015.09.13 20:29:41 -
[56] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:I'm sure he's talking about that 5 LP with Imperial Shipments and that 210 LP with The Scope and every other NPC corps with EVE. It's like having loose change from all the countries you visited and you can't get rid of them because they're permanently stuck in your wallet until you use them but they're not enough to actually buy anything. That was my first impression too, but that one has been a problem since, oh, probably around 600 BC or so when, according to Google, the first standardised coins (and thus loose pocket change) were invented. It certainly hasn't anything to do with standings.
In a way it does.
You could go all over, missioning for everyone, to get standings with everyone, to get benefits of standings. You would cash in the LP as you went, but always ended up with small amounts left over.
Now, with standings mostly irrelevant, there is no reason to do such missioning around. But you are still stuck with all this spare LP.
If he had known standings were going to be made irrelevant, he would have just stuck with one corp, and not had all this spare LP scattered about.
But... Its a small amount of LP. So, so what?
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
809
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:02:53 -
[57] - Quote
Maybe the OP was setting up a Jump Clone creation corp like Estel Arador? And now that idea has been thrashed? |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
472
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Posted - 2015.10.06 20:29:35 -
[58] - Quote
On the plus side that's 100 NPC corps with no ore reprocessing tax. |
Mikkir
Freelance Mining Company
15
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Posted - 2015.10.06 22:00:00 -
[59] - Quote
I know it's the tangent, but it would be nice to have some kind of benefit to not only raising your standing with a single corp, but with multiple corps within a faction.
As it stands now the only time you should even consider going for 10/10 faction/corp standing is if you're a full on station trader, and even then you only really need to do it for a single corp. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
441
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Posted - 2015.10.07 08:29:55 -
[60] - Quote
It's an OCD thing. I can sympathize. It would be nice to be able to convert or heck even just remove any and all LP under say, 1k LP. Either as a one time thing or as a mechanic in game. Hell I'd be happy with just a damn filter. |
Oraac Ensor
644
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Posted - 2015.10.07 11:28:28 -
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Bumblefck wrote:'Transfer' is a transitive verb - you need an object in the title of this thread. I suggest you edit it immediately. Nope:
Quote:transfer
trans-+fer
(tr-âns-f++rGǦ, tr-ânsGǦf+Ör)
v.tr.
1. To convey or cause to pass from one place, person, or thing to another.
2. Law To make over the possession or legal title of (property, for example); convey.
3. To convey (a design, for example) from one surface to another, as by impression.
v.intr.
1. To move oneself from one location or job to another.
2. To withdraw from one educational institution or course of study and enroll in another.
3. To change from one public conveyance to another: transferred to another bus.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2312
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Posted - 2015.10.07 13:43:58 -
[62] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:David Therman wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:
I think i speak for anyone that would have known such a drastic change was coming from CCP, we wouldn't want a bunch of loyalty points scattered everywhere.
No, you don't, and there are things you can exchange for LP that are in constant demand. Granted, the LP-ISK ratio may be poor in most cases, but it'll leave you better off in any event. If it's only a matter of a few hundred loyalty points, that's not enough to warrant posting this I'm afraid. If you believe I took around 100 corporations to 8.0 standing just to have a few hundred loyalty points you are sadly mistaken. Its best to learn about a subject before commenting. If you ground 8.0 standings with 100!!! NPC corps... the only explaination I can think of for that is that for some bizarre reason you thought you needed 8.0 to even leave a clone you can jump to in a station. I mean sure I'm laughing at you here, but I am also kind of horrified at the amount of effort you put into such a pointless goal (It was pointless even before the change.)
I think that's a case of EVE just not being clear about how you can do some stuff. I must admit you only needed 1 standing to create more clones anywhere because of how the jump are handled. I used to make my jumps only from Caldari Navy stations because I though that was how it worked. I didn't grind the other standings because I had enough clones even with this selection of stations but I can see why someone would go another more grindy way.
OP probably made an honest mistake and is learning now how much something he/she did before was a complete waste from day 1. I might be irritated if it happened to me. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
326
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Posted - 2015.10.08 04:46:32 -
[63] - Quote
BE transferred.
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1556
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Posted - 2015.10.08 07:51:44 -
[64] - Quote
I just made my clones for most of my alts with a jump clone service.
If I understand correctly the OP wants to collect all the random LP he has that is with corps with cr@p LP/ISK ratios like Fed Navy and Cadari Navy and transfer it at a one to one exchange rate toa different corp with good LP/ISK like SOE.
A bit like swapping all your Lower Where-everian dollars (worth 3 small rocks) at one to one for US dollars regardless of actual exchange rate for instant profit.
I am in favor of that providing I get to cash mine in first before the market crashes :D |
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