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ll Kuray ll
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:27:02 -
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Is there a special bell and whistle that tells you how far your drones can be controlled? |

NovaCat13
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:34:18 -
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Trying to send them outside your range tells you how far the range is... EFT tells you how far your range is... I do not know of any plain as day ways to find that info in game. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26036
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:39:03 -
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Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Athryn Bellee
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
54
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:12:24 -
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Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses.
You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception? |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11741
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:43:41 -
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Athryn Bellee wrote:Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses. You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception? Because eve and **** you that's why.
Actually they plan on putting this in the new fitting screen.
Better the Devil you know.
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Paranoid Loyd
6855
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:45:10 -
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Thinking is hard, math is harder. 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23019
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:51:55 -
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Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses.
::effort::
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
71
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Posted - 2015.09.11 21:53:42 -
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Athryn Bellee wrote:Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses. You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception?
They shouldn't. I consider that lack of drone control range info as a long standing oversight from the devs. |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8495
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Posted - 2015.09.11 22:18:21 -
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Logan Revelore wrote: They shouldn't. I consider that lack of drone control range info as a long standing oversight from the devs.
Petition them to change this, and bung this in while you're at it please.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23020
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Posted - 2015.09.11 23:03:49 -
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Didnt the tactical overlay show drone range?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
870
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Posted - 2015.09.11 23:27:15 -
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Athryn Bellee wrote:Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses. You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception?
So my range is 4000*5+4000*3+20+0(assume unbonused)=32020 arbitrary units?
PS out down the units next time 
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Athryn Bellee
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
54
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:42:15 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses. You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception? So my range is 4000*5+4000*3+20+0(assume unbonused)=32020 arbitrary units? PS out down the units next time 
Kilometers, just like everything else? Drone Avionics is 5000 and Advanced Drone Avionics is 3000, and the base range is 20km. So your range would be 54000. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40058
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:51:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses. You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception? So my range is 4000*5+4000*3+20+0(assume unbonused)=32020 arbitrary units? PS out down the units next time  If you have drone avionics at level 4000 and Advanced Drone Avionics at level 4000, you aren't playing Eve.
(4 x 5km) + (4 x 3km) + 20km = 52 km base with no bonus
Brackets only added for clarity
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1654
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:53:15 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses. You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception? So my range is 4000*5+4000*3+20+0(assume unbonused)=32020 arbitrary units? PS out down the units next time 
clearly in foot pounds per AU all over the average air speed of an unladen swallow 
at least eve doesn't let us switch between imperial and metric.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25034
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Posted - 2015.09.12 01:51:36 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:clearly in foot pounds per AU all over the average air speed of an unladen swallow  African or European?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Cancel Align NOW
Maas Industries
587
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Posted - 2015.09.12 01:56:41 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:clearly in foot pounds per AU all over the average air speed of an unladen swallow  African or European?
That depends on the location of the OP |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1014
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Posted - 2015.09.12 03:05:42 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses. You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception? So my range is 4000*5+4000*3+20+0(assume unbonused)=32020 arbitrary units? PS out down the units next time 
Show your work if you want credit on the test.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26038
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Posted - 2015.09.12 09:24:06 -
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Athryn Bellee wrote:You don't need to do math to figure out your falloff or missile range anymore, so why should drones be the exception? Sure you do, but it's a highly variable number that depends on all kinds of things so there needs to be some way of knowing what it is under these particular circumstances, whereas DCR is a highly fixed and invariable number that's easy to memorise across all your ships.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
939
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Posted - 2015.09.12 09:53:30 -
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And it would take all of two minutes to code. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26038
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Posted - 2015.09.12 10:10:18 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:And it would take all of two minutes to code. In something as ancient and crufty as the tactical view? I wouldn't bet on it. 
At the same time, it takes all of two seconds to just commit your range to memory and look at the overview.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
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Posted - 2015.09.12 12:43:13 -
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Tippia wrote:Simple maths?
Drone Avionics +ù 5 + Advanced Drone Avionics +ù 3 + 20 + Ship/module bonuses.
Ridiculous statement, Tippia. The player should not be expected to research and calculate drone ranges manually. It is a waste of play time.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26038
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Posted - 2015.09.12 12:45:47 -
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Robert Warner wrote:The player should not be expected to research and calculate 
GǪunless you're serious, in which case, let me laugh even harder.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
384
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Posted - 2015.09.12 19:03:59 -
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All I'm going to say:
CCP please: - double DCR! 60k range with all level V skills is ******. - do something with that awful drone control window ... like add icons and make it more compact. How about round ? - let me rename drone goups ... seriously.
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
939
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:05:54 -
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Tippia wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:And it would take all of two minutes to code. In something as ancient and crufty as the tactical view? I wouldn't bet on it.  At the same time, it takes all of two seconds to just commit your range to memory and look at the overview. The apologia is strong with this one. |

Xenom7
Hijacked Your Bus dot
0
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:48:32 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Thinking is hard, math is harder. 
Now you have me thinking about maths! brain pain |

Xenom7
Hijacked Your Bus dot
0
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Posted - 2015.09.12 23:51:03 -
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Tippia wrote:Robert Warner wrote:The player should not be expected to research and calculate  GǪunless you're serious, in which case, let me laugh even harder.
lol, next at 11:
I shouldn't have to actually calculate if that market order will make me a margin or not... or figure out what my tank is in EHP since I would have to Maths my way through raw HP/s and my resists! I shouldn't have to calculate my tracking either! |

Harrison Tato
Immortalis Fratres Vacui Legio immortales CXCI
483
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:02:51 -
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ll Kuray ll wrote:Is there a special bell and whistle that tells you how far your drones can be controlled?
Why would a super advanced space ship from the distant future have some way of letting its crew know the maximum effective range of a primary weapon system? That's just crazy talk. Next thing you will want is a sensor system that doesn't have to be manually cycled every time you use it like a 1940's RADAR set. |

Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
123
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Posted - 2015.09.13 06:19:41 -
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CCP is working on adding a place that shows drone control range in the ghost-fitting window -- just don't expect anything tell all of us are old and crusty.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
693
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:16:45 -
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For those saying "Math" and "Thinking", there should be an option to remove all stats on fitting screen, attributes and overview, so you can calculate them yourselves, since you seem to like it.
Stats are something good. EVE is popular with its spreadsheets, no need to calculate everything in the game, I think CCP can ease us on that one. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26062
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:31:45 -
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u3pog wrote:For those saying "Math" and "Thinking", there should be an option to remove all stats on fitting screen Why?
Quote:no need to calculate everything in the game Correct. You just have to remember a single number.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
693
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:38:43 -
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Tippia wrote:u3pog wrote:For those saying "Math" and "Thinking", there should be an option to remove all stats on fitting screen Why? Quote:no need to calculate everything in the game Correct. You just have to remember a single number.
What if I have 10 accounts, all using drones, but with different skills? Should I calculate every time, or maybe remember all their drone range? Maybe I should deploy drones in battle and if they are out of range I will go to refit...oh wait, I am in battle, well maybe next time. Same goes for other stats. Why should there be effective HP, when you can simply calculate it and remember it...Of course you can calculate them yourself, but that's not the point, we might as well just make a formulae for every stat and CCP can disable them. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26062
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:42:01 -
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u3pog wrote:What if I have 10 accounts, all using drones, but with different skills? Standardise. Even if you don't, you should only have to look up a single number, which is, of course, pretty much what you're asking for GÇö for all intents and purposes, it's there already.
Quote:Should I calculate every time, or maybe remember all their drone range? Either is trivial, and in most cases, it's not even particularly relevant to know.
Quote:but that's not the point, we might as well just make a formulae for every stat and CCP can disable them. Non sequitur. Most formulas aren't as laughably trivial as the DCR one.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2313
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:55:52 -
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Tippia wrote:... Non sequitur. Most formulas aren't as laughably trivial as the DCR one. Ah. Just like the old days. Gone full Tipsy. 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26064
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:59:41 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tippia wrote:... Non sequitur. Most formulas aren't as laughably trivial as the DCR one. Ah. Just like the old days. Gone full Tipsy.  Logic is kind of binary that way. 
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Salvos Rhoska
1435
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Posted - 2015.09.13 18:05:32 -
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Hopefully "ghost fitting" will bring more detail and accuracy to this.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.09.13 18:10:46 -
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Tippia wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tippia wrote:... Non sequitur. Most formulas aren't as laughably trivial as the DCR one. Ah. Just like the old days. Gone full Tipsy.  Logic is kind of binary that way.  You are arguing against displaying a number. I don't think logic has anything to do with this. Alcohol, loads of alcohol, perhaps. 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26065
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Posted - 2015.09.13 18:14:45 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:You are arguing against displaying a number. No, I'm arguing against the non sequitur that just because this near-constant number is easy to memorise, no other stats should be calculated and displayed in the UI.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Hal Morsh
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
408
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:18:49 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Actually they plan on putting this in the new fitting screen.
New fitting screen.? This is news to me.
Tippia wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:You are arguing against displaying a number. No, I'm arguing against the non sequitur that just because this near-constant number is easy to memorise, no other stats should be calculated and displayed in the UI.
Pretty much. I tried to send drones out of range and it told me 51km, I skill up once, now it's 53km. They will continue to fight out of range too until they get to a disconnect range, and please don't ask what disconnect range is because I do not know.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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