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Missy Mai'la
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Missy Mai''la on 16/12/2006 15:24:57 If you thought only the low drop rate of data interface bpcs was bad then you know nothing compared to how bad it really is.
It's going to take us months of farming to get enough materials to build one data interface, even if the material cost was dropped to just 10% of what it is now it would still be way over the top imo. Whoever decided the build requirements screwed up.
I'm going to be seriously angry if we have farm for this amount of time and build an interface only to find ccp then drops the build requirements significantly, please devs, look at the build requirements and drop them before people actually start trying to build these.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:30:00 -
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what are the requirements? What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |
Max Hardcase
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Max Hardcase on 16/12/2006 15:59:15 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=444041&page=2
About 1400 hacking componnents.
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:04:00 -
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Am I right in thinking that once you have one of these, you have it forever?
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Fon Revedhort
Alaska-McMillens
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm Am I right in thinking that once you have one of these, you have it forever?
The same goes to T2 BPOs won in the lottery, you know
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/12/2006 16:11:40
Originally by: Max Hardcase Edited by: Max Hardcase on 16/12/2006 15:59:15 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=444041&page=2
About 1400 hacking componnents.
WHAT THE ****?!
That is absolutely insane. And to think that Invention was supposed to be a method for the common man (not insane grinder) to get T2 BPCs...
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Max Hardcase Edited by: Max Hardcase on 16/12/2006 15:59:15 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=444041&page=2
About 1400 hacking componnents.
worse, 1700 hacking components. Considering the investment needed in terms of isk and time, it would be cheaper to try buying a tech2 BPO than getting an interface that gives a possible chance at getting an inefficent BPC.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:54:00 -
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imo the requierements should be dropped alot, but the things should disappear after some usage,
having em forever is just plain stupid. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:56:00 -
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CCP devs definitely should quit playing Lineage 2. It causes brain damage.
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.16 17:45:00 -
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yes as much as i love exploration , but invention is a joke ... i understand you want to protect the BPO owners to some extend, but this is a bad joke
please reconsider the droprates(already ? ) and the build requirements _______________________________________________
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.12.16 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Max Hardcase Edited by: Max Hardcase on 16/12/2006 15:59:15 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=444041&page=2
About 1400 hacking componnents.
TY WTF, 1400 companents, wow. CCP, think things threw first.Even if each companent sold for 1m a peaice, thats 1.4b.
Atleast that KIA guy got his interface bpc :) maybe he will be happy after a year of gettin the components. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |
Kabeil Blackdawn
The Shadow Order The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:15:00 -
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Wow that is a lot of components for the ship data interface!!
I saw a module data interface bpc, it needs only 10% of the amount needed for the ship. I found that ok, as hacking is suppose to be a miniprofession and ccp wants ppl to specialize. Plus most hacking cosmos complex cant be soloed while hacking, so its a corp operation to build a data interface. I did some hacking before kali and I almost have the pieces for to build the minmatar module data interface (if only i can find a bpc). Maybe putting the requirements at 20% of what they are now for the starship data interface, right now the cost is ridiculous.
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St Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:24:00 -
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This is old news JAGUAR DRAGON came here and warned us of these probelms before and was promptly told to go back to jita you newb.
Well i guess he is laughing at us all now [either that or crying at the invention system].
And so you know his corpa nd i have been prepering for invention for months. Thats months of work down the drain unless ccp fixes this liek they did for rigs.
Oh BTW rigs work now. -----------------------------------------------
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Missy Mai'la
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:56:00 -
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Someone has posted a screenshot in the other data interface thread showing that the build requirements on a normal data interface are exactly 10% of those of a ship data interface, that means all the 0's are removed from the end, the 800 current amplifiers becomes 80, etc, it all seems to fit.
So either ccp intentionally want the ship data interface to use 10 times more components than the other interface, or someone screwed up and added to many 0's, thus making it use exactly 10 times more components.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.16 19:31:00 -
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Considering ONE of each of those interfaces is all a corp (or even entire alliance) will probably EVER need, especially ship interfaces, I don't really see a big problem with ship interfaces costing so much to build in the first place... it's just yet another bump on the road to the end-term goal, and those dedicated WILL get there eventually.
The data/tuner interfaces however, those are pretty easy apparently... proven by the T2 rig BPC on sale a good while ago... had to be invented, so somebody had to have the interface already built, right ? _ My skills | Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Kabeil Blackdawn
The Shadow Order The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.12.16 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The data/tuner interfaces however, those are pretty easy apparently... proven by the T2 rig BPC on sale a good while ago... had to be invented, so somebody had to have the interface already built, right ?
The T2 rig bpc was found in an exploration site, it was not invented.
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mechtech
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Posted - 2006.12.16 20:45:00 -
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booo, this feels like auto assault.
I agree, make them 2x easier to get, invention is supposed to be for the common man, as DK said.
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Korvus
Alpha Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
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Posted - 2006.12.16 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/12/2006 16:11:40
WHAT THE ****?!
That is absolutely insane. And to think that Invention was supposed to be a method for the common man (not insane grinder) to get T2 BPCs...
Where did CCP ever say that invention was to be for the common player? Not that I disagree with you since this is what I hoped it would be, but I don't think CCP ever stated it this way or intended it this way.
Just look at how arcane the process is.
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.16 21:21:00 -
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I just wonder where 1700 componets are supposed to come from. Cosmos constellations? Happy camping - especially if more than one group wants to build one. Ugh. Reminds me of Everquest. Not good.
Now recruiting!
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Missy Mai'la
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Posted - 2006.12.16 23:18:00 -
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well i think the insane build cost on the ship data interface could be a bug, maybe a dev added a 0 to the right side of the numbers by accident, thus making it use exactly 10 times more components, come on, it must be a bug, those build reqs are crazy high.
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Roy Boaz
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:24:00 -
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The high cost of the data interface is perfect. It is a device that, once you have it, will make you extremly rich. Only the big alliances will get one. The big fish will get bigger. Nothing new in Eve. This is what CCP wants. Otherwise, they would seed T2 BPCs (a few hundreds runs) instead of T2 BPOs. They would hear the complains of small corps would would like to go to 0.0 without being part of the same large organization they are working for IRL.
Everything is geared towards Clashes of the Titans, in hope that Moore's Law (cpu power double every 18 months) will one day permit it without crashing the nodes.
Basically, if you are still here after 7 months, you are a megalomaniac. OMG,that's me? :)
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:45:00 -
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you all miss a huge piece of this puzzle... But i'm not going to share it You whinge while i accumlate me parts o/
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FFGR
Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Boaz The high cost of the data interface is perfect. It is a device that, once you have it, will make you extremly rich. Only the big alliances will get one. The big fish will get bigger. Nothing new in Eve. This is what CCP wants. Otherwise, they would seed T2 BPCs (a few hundreds runs) instead of T2 BPOs. They would hear the complains of small corps would would like to go to 0.0 without being part of the same large organization they are working for IRL.
Everything is geared towards Clashes of the Titans, in hope that Moore's Law (cpu power double every 18 months) will one day permit it without crashing the nodes.
Basically, if you are still here after 7 months, you are a megalomaniac. OMG,that's me? :)
Are you playing the same game as me ? Cause I'm not part of a HUGEOMGPWNAGE Alliance, yet I have enough money (without farming that is)
Oh, and it seems that the Ship Data Interface needs so many compoments. There is a screenie of the Module one about and it shows 10x less compoments needed than the ship one. _______
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:53:00 -
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Don't forget you still need research points, used each time, and each invention process can be a failure and if it's a success, it's a crap ME.
Who was that dev who wrote that 'maybe it's time tech II becomes the norm'? Should have been a joke ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
FFGR
Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.17 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja Don't forget you still need research points, used each time, and each invention process can be a failure and if it's a success, it's a crap ME.
Who was that dev who wrote that 'maybe it's time tech II becomes the norm'? Should have been a joke
You can get Datacores also from Hacking complexes in lowsec and 0.0 (yes I have found some) _______
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.17 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: James Duar on 17/12/2006 03:48:55 Hold on, are the data interfaces persistent though? Do you get to keep them? Because if you do then, yes, while the component costs might be high to build one, considering the inflated costs of T2 you're still going to get rich even if you don't get an uber-efficient BPC.
EDIT: Ok I've double checked and yes you hold on to the data interface forever. So I see no problem with them requiring a large number of components to build. T2 is hideously over-priced - you will make a profit on every ship you sell by a good margin regardless.
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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.17 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar T2 is hideously over-priced - you will make a profit on every ship you sell by a good margin regardless.
And thus this new system fixes nothing.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.17 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 17/12/2006 05:41:54 Here's a thought:
1. Drop reqs to build these damn things, but not by too much, maybe half. 2. Make Invetion create BPOs, not BPCs. 3. Make the invented BPCs have negitive ME and PE, so that you need, say, 25-50% more parts to build something, and waste 25% more stuff. It'll cost you more to build stuff, but you'll still make it back, and you can always research the BPO to fix the ME and PE. 4. Pat yourselves on the back now that your new 'baseline' is obtainable by people other than those who made R&D alts and sat them in stations for years doing nothing. 5. The data interface, once used, is GONE, if you fail, sucks to be you, get another one and try again.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.17 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: James Duar T2 is hideously over-priced - you will make a profit on every ship you sell by a good margin regardless.
And thus this new system fixes nothing.
Prices drop when supply increases. Supply will always be limited by players though so the price will be pretty high for a while, and probably always a lot higher then build cost. But the baseline of competition will be what the inventors can come up with, not the BPO owners since they'd be retarded to try and undercut inventors since they'd be giving away their profit margins.
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Madboy
Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.17 08:12:00 -
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lol, I really hope that CCP wakes up and does something to fix invention.
Otherwise within a month I'll be another person screaming WTF!
Anyways, those requirements suck balls. - MadBoy
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