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heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:17:00 - [1] so seleeeeene when are you gonna tell the community what happened?? if you got hammered to pieces then atleast admit it!
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:19:00 - [2] Edited by: Xeliya on 16/12/2006 20:20:05 Off their KB Total Kills: 102 Total ISK : 446M Total Losses: 6 Total ISK : 31M Contract still active according to it so I think they are doing good. ----------
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 16/12/2006 20:20:05 Off their KB Total Kills: 102 Total ISK : 446M Total Losses: 6 Total ISK : 31M Contract still active according to it so I think they are doing good. oh really i just went to MC's killboard and it showed against RA .kills:109---- losses:836---eff:25% so tbh i think seleeeene need to clearify because to me it seems MC got wtfbbq'ed
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:32:00 - [4] Originally by: heidrun Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 16/12/2006 20:20:05 Off their KB Total Kills: 102 Total ISK : 446M Total Losses: 6 Total ISK : 31M Contract still active according to it so I think they are doing good. oh really i just went to MC's killboard and it showed against RA .kills:109---- losses:836---eff:25% so tbh i think seleeeene need to clearify because to me it seems MC got wtfbbq'ed Nope... Contract against GOONFLEET and RA: Total Kills: 102 Total ISK : 446M Total Losses: 6 Total ISK : 31M Would post the link but mods would BBQ me. Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:35:00 - [5] i cant find the contract you talk about.did mc engage ragoon in 0.0 or was it in agil or something?
Marcellus Corteaz	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:36:00 - [6] read up dumbass http://www.bdci-eve.net/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=1
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:42:00 - [7] there it say 461/80 kd ratio.so was it a sucess you think seleeene?? 95% of those are not RA it seems.avoiding RA intentionally?
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:45:00 - [8] The Results Currently we are still fighting Goons and Tau Ceti in IAC space, so you may see some more kills Totals are: 461 kills 10424.37M in damages 80 losses 3762.26M in damages _______________________________________________
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Marcellus Corteaz read up dumbass http://www.bdci-eve.net/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=1 my alt char btw sorry (even though he's in corp too) and you seem to have an oral fixation with RA... MC will have done what theyre contractor asked them to do, if you wanted a scrap with them, you should have seeked them not the other way round....
Raivi Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:47:00 - [10] Edited by: Raivi on 16/12/2006 20:48:37 Originally by: heidrun there it say 461/80 kd ratio.so was it a sucess you think seleeene?? 95% of those are not RA it seems.avoiding RA intentionally? Actually, 1/4 of the kills are RA according to the KB. 53% Efficiency vs RA, could be better, but it's in the positives and the efficiency vs goonswarm is a respectable 87%. It looks to me like MC is doing ok, but not spectacularly. You on the other hand seem to be incapable to reading, and you keep stating incorrect "facts".
CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.16 20:55:00 - [11] Does anyone really give a rat's ass about efficiency? I mean hey I'm sure certain barbarian archers had an awesome k/d ratio on Roman soldiers right up until their houses were burned to the ground and their leaders surrendered to Rome. WE DID 10 BILLION ISK IN DAMAGE TO GOONFLEET sounds great on paper until you realize that it's divided up amongst 1300 active pilots. Would BoB give a crap if somebody did 15 billion in damage to them over a week? Or D2? Nobody cares.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:26:00 - [12] Originally by: CallMe 8675309 Does anyone really give a rat's ass about efficiency? yes Originally by: CallMe675309 Nobody cares. wrong *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire The Sundering	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:26:00 - [13] Originally by: CallMe 8675309 Does anyone really give a rat's ass about efficiency? To me efficiency is everthing. People dont stop wanting to fight because they lose t1 frigs. They stop wanting to fight because they are losing Battleships. If anyone every doas decisively beat bob it will be because they destroyed enough of their battle/cap ships without losing much of their own. Efficiency is a real easy way to tell that statistic. Revelations ruined my sig. If you are good at making sigs please send me an evemail.
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:42:00 - [14] Originally by: mishkof Originally by: CallMe 8675309 Does anyone really give a rat's ass about efficiency? To me efficiency is everthing. People dont stop wanting to fight because they lose t1 frigs. They stop wanting to fight because they are losing Battleships. If anyone every doas decisively beat bob it will be because they destroyed enough of their battle/cap ships without losing much of their own. Efficiency is a real easy way to tell that statistic. While i dont want this thread to turn into something about bob your so wrong it needs to be corrected. Efficiency matters to people who view success on how many kills they get etc e.g MC Bob will be happy to take losses in order to take your stations etc, bob look at the longterm goal and not the short sighted one of kills.
Abye Caldari UNITED STARS ORGANISATION	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:45:00 - [15] Economical damage is a key element for long term goals. Shooting down a T1 frig does no real econimical damage. Shooting down a HAC, now that hurts.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire The Sundering	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: mishkof Originally by: CallMe 8675309 Does anyone really give a rat's ass about efficiency? To me efficiency is everthing. People dont stop wanting to fight because they lose t1 frigs. They stop wanting to fight because they are losing Battleships. If anyone every doas decisively beat bob it will be because they destroyed enough of their battle/cap ships without losing much of their own. Efficiency is a real easy way to tell that statistic. While i dont want this thread to turn into something about bob your so wrong it needs to be corrected. Efficiency matters to people who view success on how many kills they get etc e.g MC Bob will be happy to take losses in order to take your stations etc, bob look at the longterm goal and not the short sighted one of kills. Right. How can anyone take station without capital ships? Only gankers care only about K/D ratio. Revelations ruined my sig. If you are good at making sigs please send me an evemail.
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:52:00 - [17] Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 16/12/2006 22:50:06 Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: mishkof Originally by: CallMe 8675309 Does anyone really give a rat's ass about efficiency? To me efficiency is everthing. People dont stop wanting to fight because they lose t1 frigs. They stop wanting to fight because they are losing Battleships. If anyone every doas decisively beat bob it will be because they destroyed enough of their battle/cap ships without losing much of their own. Efficiency is a real easy way to tell that statistic. While i dont want this thread to turn into something about bob your so wrong it needs to be corrected. Efficiency matters to people who view success on how many kills they get etc e.g MC Bob will be happy to take losses in order to take your stations etc, bob look at the longterm goal and not the short sighted one of kills. Right. How can anyone take stations without capital ships? Only gankers care only about K/D ratio. Look at yourt last sentence. You agreed with me without realising it. This is a pretty good point actually, although a better one would be how much damage the MC do compared to someone's ability to replace stuff.
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2006.12.16 22:59:00 - [18] James once again its not always about kills. MC just being in empire often prevents freighter runs and supply runs as well as stopping people playing their normal game. How can you put an isk figure on that?
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2006.12.16 23:01:00 - [19] How on earth did I agree with you miskoff? Your saying that u need to get more kills and lose less to beat bob. I`m saying thats not the case...
Mitchman Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.16 23:10:00 - [20] We are also fighting the same bunch of people. Enterprising minds can find the information they need on our killboard, I'm sure. www.omniscient-order.com
MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.16 23:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Major Stormer Originally by: heidrun Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 16/12/2006 20:20:05 Off their KB Total Kills: 102 Total ISK : 446M Total Losses: 6 Total ISK : 31M Contract still active according to it so I think they are doing good. oh really i just went to MC's killboard and it showed against RA .kills:109---- losses:836---eff:25% so tbh i think seleeeene need to clearify because to me it seems MC got wtfbbq'ed Nope... Contract against GOONFLEET and RA: Total Kills: 102 Total ISK : 446M Total Losses: 6 Total ISK : 31M Would post the link but mods would BBQ me. 2 people during an hour may earn 500 mil... so your stats for noobs xxx
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:21:00 - [22] Originally by: heidrun Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 16/12/2006 20:20:05 Off their KB Total Kills: 102 Total ISK : 446M Total Losses: 6 Total ISK : 31M Contract still active according to it so I think they are doing good. oh really i just went to MC's killboard and it showed against RA .kills:109---- losses:836---eff:25% so tbh i think seleeeene need to clearify because to me it seems MC got wtfbbq'ed Who are you exactly and why does MC have to "clearify" anything to anyone other than ourselves or our clients? No matter where you go, there you are.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:25:00 - [23] Originally by: heidrun so seleeeeene when are you gonna tell the community what happened?? if you got hammered to pieces then atleast admit it! We got owned and ran away. Just like on every contract. Originally by: heidrun [oh really i just went to MC's killboard and it showed against RA .kills:109---- losses:836---eff:25% so tbh i think seleeeene need to clearify because to me it seems MC got wtfbbq'ed Yes, I'd be happy to. The screen you are looking at, which I am not allowed to link here, indicates RA's performance overall from their point of view for the entire history that the MC has existed (assuming that all of our old mails have no been imported correctly). So, basically, you read it backwards and owned yourself in public without any need for me to assist you. Now, as to all this talk about efficency and such, yes, it's an interesting stat. Those figures are modified based upon whatever market value we decide to assign to ships. So it is very possible for us to kill 50 BS and lose 7 but come out with a crappy efficency ratio if two ir three of those seven is a CNR or Vindicator. MC doesn't collect rare ships, we tend to actually use them because they work a little better. Sometimes we lose them. Oh well. Some of our member have more money than sense Seriously, two of our outposts were basically built out of two individuals pockets. It doesn't change the fact that we owned someone by the numbers or that we kept X number of pilots docked or that fifteen of us kept eighty of our targets occupied while our client was happily doing something else. Etc... etc.... etc... As has been pointed out, not all merc work is purely about what is 'killed'. Insofar as RAGoons went, it's interesting to see everyone assume what our client wanted us to do. It's even more interesting to see people trying to say that there was no client. Honestly, of all the people for us to hit for "fun", you guys think we'd pick this fight? Anyway, the actual "contract" totals were: Kills: 461 Losses: 80 Damage done (ISK): 10424.37M Damage received (ISK): 3762.26M Runtime: 10 days ISK Efficiency: 73.48% So, yeah... owned. We suck. We don't always do end of contract reports because sometimes we don't feel it's needed. We thought we'd be going longer but things didn't work out that way. In addition, I haven't really had the time, as I've been a bit distracted the last few days by this other little contract that's popped up... - Fight the Darkness!
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:26:00 - [24] Efficiency means nothing! The goal and the outcome means everything. All other metrics are not important.* The perfect example is FIX vs AAA when FIX was putting up their OP. FIX lost 100's of ships, AAA lost a few in comparision. AAA came out on top on K/D or ISK but FIX saved their OP. Guess who most consider the "winner" in that fight? (I would say both for a faaantastic 30 hour fight! Hate you, also want epic fight! ) Regards, Lowa * Unless the client was only interested in a K/D-contract but hardly even then tbh. What if the truth was something else?
Kasigi Yabu	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:49:00 - [25] Don't listen to these guys, MC. GREAT job on fighting RAGOON alongside LV's Titan and preventing them from taking over V's capital! Oh wait
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:50:00 - [26] I'm really disappointed in you, Seleene. Only 72% efficiency? I remember the days when MC weren't newbs... ___________
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Skrypt I'm really disappointed in you, Seleene. Only 72% efficiency? I remember the days when MC weren't newbs... I know it was all good till we recruited Max
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire The Sundering	Posted - 2006.12.17 02:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Kaleeb How on earth did I agree with you miskoff? Your saying that u need to get more kills and lose less to beat bob. I`m saying thats not the case... I said Battleships and Capital ships...Which directly affect Efficieny more then anything else. So in that regard I believe that efficiency is the best indicator on how a battle is going. The first sentence I said in this thread is I take over all efficiency over everyhting else? Did you not read my post? If you arent going to comprehend my posts dont respond to them please. Revelations ruined my sig. If you are good at making sigs please send me an evemail.
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.17 02:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Skrypt I'm really disappointed in you, Seleene. Only 72% efficiency? I remember the days when MC weren't newbs... I know it was all good till we recruited Max uparrow Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Aterna Minmatar M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.17 02:55:00 - [30] Efficiency wouldn't be so hard to gauge if everyone was paying the same amount for the same ship. No doubt an alliance like BoB or ASCN has access to many different T2 and T1 BPOs that they use to manufacture replacements, whereas newer corporations and alliances won't have that industrial edge. Efficiency does have its uses, especially for a mercenary organization. The less losses they take, the more profit they generate from the contract cash and bonus. - - -

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