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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Omniwar on 24/11/2003 13:31:47
What purpose does the scanner serve for you?
At what places do you use the scanner?
Please read more in this thread so you know why I am asking, and please answer the other questions that are posted elsewere.
Spawn of the Devil
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:23:00 -
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oooo third thread on the subject... you is GONNA get locked... and a snotty mail from the mods too!
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:29:00 -
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oooo third thread on the subject... you is GONNA get locked... and a snotty mail from the mods too!
Why should this thread be locked?
Two questions asked to the peaple of EVE so I can finish my book about the uses of the scanner that I plan to sell the Concord Navy.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:41:00 -
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Serious answer then.
Finding containers left by pirs, finding pirs when their somewhere behind me, finding right kind of roids(if i mined), finding anything i am too moopy to find on the screen.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:43:00 -
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If you cant use it for that, then half of eve's PvP'ers need banning. How else can you track Josh Calvert to his safespot?
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Zorael
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zorael on 24/11/2003 10:52:58
This thread is perfectly legal in regard to the forum rules...
However the Higher Authorities That Govern Us are probably hovering it like vultures, hoping for someone to misstep 
And to answer your question :
I use the scanner to remotely detect the presence and type of ships at points of interest, be it belts, gates or stations.
From any place I can reach using the warp drive built into my ship, and from a distance comprised between 0 and 2.1 billion kilometers.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:47:00 -
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"What purpose does the scanner serve for you?"
To scan my surroundings, duh. The scanner was clearly designed for this purpose, that including the information about other players' ships, pirate drones, mines and whatnot within up to 20 A.U. around you... otherwise it wouldn't retrieve and show this information to the scanner operator in the first place, non?
"At what places do you use the scanner?"
Wherever i happen to be in space, and find using it necessary.
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Don't Panic
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:49:00 -
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please specify 'scanner'.
do you talk about the 'objects-in-space'-scanner or about the scanner modules you fit to your ship (i.e. cargo, survey, shipscanner)?
as for the first I use it for warp or docking purposes, and to pin down rare ore roids, POIs and other players from every place in space that I see fit to use range and directional scans in an optimal way.
as for the scanner medslot modules I choose a place that is within the specified module range of the object I want to scan and with the purpose of gathering info about amount of ore, cargo of a ship or ship setup.
I hope I could help you
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:13:00 -
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Well scanner can be used for everything when it comes to space and where things are. See 3 ppl in local and you wounder what ships they fly ? use your scanner. Wounder what roid belt with out npc rats ? use your scanner. wounder what roids are in a belt ? use your scanner. Wounder how far planet VIII Moon 3 is from station X ? use your scanner.
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Lady Beeblebrox
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:19:00 -
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I use non-directional scan to see what types of ships there are in space in the system I am in.
If I'm fighting them, I then use directional scan to see if they are close to any landmark (gate, planet, station, moon, belt) that can be warped to.
I often scan gates to see if they are being camped.
Sometimes, I even use the scanner to find asteroids that lie outside the belts. The so-called "hidden" roids.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:21:00 -
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I use the scanner to find my frozen carcass after getting podded.
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2600
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: 2600 on 24/11/2003 11:23:46
Instaid of changing their system/code to create the game they desire, ccp prefers to make general tools and call it an exploit if u use them/it in a way they wish they had prevented coding wise. The scanner has many possible uses and one of the most common is to search for hidden pks. If they dont want ppl to be able to do so then why did they include the angle option. And the mysterious, hidden and apparently huge list of "dont do it" actions should be posted in an obvious spot if ccp is going to keep threatening players. God knows i'm playing other games more and eve less as it is, i dont need arrogent gms talking down to players around me. The attitude is like your mother in days of yore, saying "because i said so" and i for one am put off by it. /rant
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:34:00 -
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Actually the scanner goes up to something like 13/14au
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Omniwar on 24/11/2003 11:42:32
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=44577
we all know this thread will be locked in few minutes now, but answeres are needed in this matter.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:49:00 -
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Ummm.... just one thing...
You CAN attack someone while you`re in another grid and IMO it is certainly an exploit.
But scanning from a different grid and then moving to the one you found ships in and then attacking them is perfectly acceptable in my books.
Don`t ask me ofcourse how you can attack from a different grid... if some1 does it he should get banned no questions asked.
You didn`t do that omniwar, did you? 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:49:00 -
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"Actually the scanner goes up to something like 13/14au"
... I was never good with math =) Still, that's much more than the grid size so if we are not supposed to learn about some objects outside of the grid... this info simply shouldn't be provided? o.o;
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nonsequitur
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: nonsequitur on 24/11/2003 12:06:12
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Actually the scanner goes up to something like 13/14au
2147483648 = Max value for signed 32 bit integer
149597870 KM in an AU
2147483648 Km / 149597870 km = 14.355041605873131749803656963832 AU
or 14.355 Au aprox. 
*edit - forgot to specify what bit size integer |
Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:53:00 -
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Ummm.... just one thing...
You CAN attack someone while you`re in another grid and IMO it is certainly an exploit.
But scanning from a different grid and then moving to the one you found ships in and then attacking them is perfectly acceptable in my books.
Don`t ask me ofcourse how you can attack from a different grid... if some1 does it he should get banned no questions asked.
You didn`t do that omniwar, did you?
I dont cheat so please dont imply I do.
Explane to me how you can attack a pilot in another grid, I have chased peaple that use MWD long ways and when they leave the grid I loose the lock, thus it is not possible to attack ships in a diffirent grid.
If I had used an exploit to my advantage I wouldnt be posting would I ? As I would have been banned.
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Zodiac Laserstorm
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:56:00 -
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oooo third thread on the subject... you is GONNA get locked... and a snotty mail from the mods too!
Not sure about snotty, but I have a feeling someone is BEGGING for atention, even if it's a slapping.  
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Zodiac Laserstorm
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Omniwar on 24/11/2003 11:42:32
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=44577
we all know this thread will be locked in few minutes now, but answeres are needed in this matter.
Oops, didn`t see that one.
Seriously, Omni. If a thread is locked, see it as a WARNING. Like, if a dog growls as you try to take the bone away, don't try it again. ...and again... and again...
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2600
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:02:00 -
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i wonder why they used a signed int when there is no need for a negative value anyways?
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Omniwar on 24/11/2003 11:42:32
we all know this thread will be locked in few minutes now, but answeres are needed in this matter.
Oops, didn`t see that one.
Seriously, Omni. If a thread is locked, see it as a WARNING. Like, if a dog growls as you try to take the bone away, don't try it again. ...and again... and again...
Until CCP makes a public announcment that certain actions in EVE are bannable offence I truly cant see why they have the right to limit my playability.
As of now all they do is cover up for what seems to be mistake by them, and they cover up by locking down threads where we as players are discussing the game and its possibilities.
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Zorael
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:11:00 -
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Past this point, I think we have 2 options :
1- Grow this thread to a dozen pages asking for an official response (Which seems unlikely considering it's already smelling of lockage).
2- Ask one or more GMs to clarify.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:15:00 -
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I want an official statement from CCP about this matter, but I have had 2 threads locked when asking.
If something is an exploit then CCP should make a public post and not talk to each pilot in personal conversation and threaten him with a ban.
Spawn of the Devil
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:19:00 -
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I want an official statement from CCP about this matter, but I have had 2 threads locked when asking.
You won't get it here. You should know that.
If you get a ruling that you think is unfair, you should try to (non-publicly) contact either another GM or a CCP member. All you get from the forums is public hysteria and flaming.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:26:00 -
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"You won't get it here. You should know that.
If you get a ruling that you think is unfair, you should try to (non-publicly) contact either another GM or a CCP member."
... Well, am at the moment personally concerned as i've been apparently exploiting the game for months, simply because no one ever bothered to officially state what's the policy of using the space scanner. I suspect there's number of people in similar position.
Having a GM post the official response here might save the game staff a ****load of work they'll have answering all individual petitions regarding the matter. *shrugs*
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:35:00 -
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Quote:
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I want an official statement from CCP about this matter, but I have had 2 threads locked when asking.
You won't get it here. You should know that.
If you get a ruling that you think is unfair, you should try to (non-publicly) contact either another GM or a CCP member. All you get from the forums is public hysteria and flaming.
My point is that say something is an exploit but tell me that in private conversation but when I want to warn everyone about this exploit they lock the threads.
Is it not good for peaple to know what they can and cant do, instead of getting banned all of the sudden ?
So either certain acts in EVE are forbidden or they are allowed, there is no in between and those rules should be made public ASAP.
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Kovak
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Posted - 2003.11.24 13:06:00 -
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With grids as far as I know its impossible to target someone in another grid using the scanner, the distance shows up as (unknown) and will refuse to lock. On the other hand I have been in a different grid once or twice and physically seen other ships come into a grid with a gate e.t.c I could see them but I don't think they could see me (they didn't start firing on me as I expected anyway). Either way that has sod all to do with the scanner. I personally think the scanner helps to make the game more tactical and interesting.
I personally use it for locking down ship locations with range/directional and exploring for hidden stuff. And since you can't lock anyone in another grid with it, I'd sure as hell like to know how its an exploit.
I'm assuming CCP consider grids to be an exploit, I do not, I think they are fairly good features of the game.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2003.11.24 13:09:00 -
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I dont cheat so please dont imply I do.
Explane to me how you can attack a pilot in another grid, I have chased peaple that use MWD long ways and when they leave the grid I loose the lock, thus it is not possible to attack ships in a diffirent grid.
If I had used an exploit to my advantage I wouldnt be posting would I ? As I would have been banned.
No my friend I was merely joking about that, sorry no offence intended.
The thing is you DON`T lose the lock if you change grid. The ship you`ve locked dissappears from the screen and from the top display but you STILL have it locked and your guns still fire. You can even activate more modules and guns like that.
But if you lock something else after that and you select the new ship you can`t revert to the old one in the other grid because it`s not displayed on the top of the screen.-although your guns can still be firing on the old
That IS an exploit because you can lock someone fast, change grid and start firing. If he didn`t lock you fast enough or had maxed out his available targets he has no chance of fighting back.
Try that with npcs if you like, it works. stubled upon it myself by accident.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 13:23:00 -
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I dont cheat so please dont imply I do.
Explane to me how you can attack a pilot in another grid, I have chased peaple that use MWD long ways and when they leave the grid I loose the lock, thus it is not possible to attack ships in a diffirent grid.
If I had used an exploit to my advantage I wouldnt be posting would I ? As I would have been banned.
No my friend I was merely joking about that, sorry no offence intended.
The thing is you DON`T lose the lock if you change grid. The ship you`ve locked dissappears from the screen and from the top display but you STILL have it locked and your guns still fire. You can even activate more modules and guns like that.
But if you lock something else after that and you select the new ship you can`t revert to the old one in the other grid because it`s not displayed on the top of the screen.-although your guns can still be firing on the old
That IS an exploit because you can lock someone fast, change grid and start firing. If he didn`t lock you fast enough or had maxed out his available targets he has no chance of fighting back.
Try that with npcs if you like, it works. stubled upon it myself by accident.
I know for a fact that if a ship leaves the grid then I loose the lock, I was hunting down Techell corp members in Algogille, found one in a thorax and after I shot at him he used MWD until he was out of the grid, then I lost the lock and few seconds later I entered the same grid as he and then I could lock him again.
If you have can still shot at peaple or NPC without being in the same grid then send in a bug petition ASAP.
It was possible to lock and shoot peaple in another grid long time ago but CCP changed it so that it should not be possible now.
But is it illegal if I am in a different grid and use my scanner to see how many are near he place I want to warp to ?
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