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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.02.07 05:03:00 -
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Ok.. you enter a complex called 'The Maze' and expect a simple path through it?
You know you could always not do the plex if you find it that difficult.
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Ephemeron
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 05:05:00 -
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is the concept of The Maze a good anti-farming strategy? does it disrupt standard farming practices?
If yes, maybe CCP should apply this concept to all other complexes.
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2007.02.07 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: RoDs84
The uber torp in the last part(5) is the Thor Torp which has 180k EM damage with 1000 exp radius. A Claymore with good fitting and rigs will easily tank when logistics and dps bs's help him clear the area.
 Oh. Is that all. ... I'm fairly certain 180K EM damage could clear out my entire hangar at least five times over. Effing...complex...torpedo...things.
I'm going back to my Kernite now.
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Kusotarre
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:43:00 -
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Wow, this is still up here?
I think people are missing the point.
This maze crap isn't hard in the sense that you have to use certain fittings, or coordinate with your gang or whatnot.
It's that you have to select gates at random until you get the right one, before you can proceed. It's just tedious.
An analogous situation for people who haven't been in this plex could be one of the following.
1) You are a miner. You warp into a belt, and look for, say, Crokite. You target a Crokite roid, and start to mine, and 5 seconds later, it disappears, respawns 500 meters away, and a message displays that says "sorry, this is unmineable." This happens 2 or 4 or up to 12 times until you get a roid that can actually be mined. Then you flag it, and your buddies can mine it to.
2) You are running a mission. Your agent gives you 32 bookmarks, all labeled the same. Only one of them takes you to the mission spot. You try them one by one until you happen to warp to the right one. Happy missioning!
This is what the Pith 10/10 is like. It's not *hard* to figure out. It's just mind-numbingly ******* retarded.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:11:00 -
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Traveling more than 2 jumps is tedious, even with WTZ.
Pressing F1-Fwait is also tedious.
Logging into TQ is tedious.
Fitting my ships in the best possible way is tedious.
Chatting to people while building an empire is tedious.
Founding Alliances for 75 million ISK is tedious (convo or eve-mail me ingame).
Training skills is tedious.
Mining is tedious.
Trading is tedious.
Missions are tedious.
Building Outposts is tedious.
Building Motherships is tedious.
Building Titans is tedious.
Eve is tedious.
Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada its designed so stupid people find it hard, confusing, and retarded.
so thats makes you guys......
lol
QFT
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 07/02/2007 09:26:40
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: RoDs84
The uber torp in the last part(5) is the Thor Torp which has 180k EM damage with 1000 exp radius. A Claymore with good fitting and rigs will easily tank when logistics and dps bs's help him clear the area.
 Oh. Is that all. ... I'm fairly certain 180K EM damage could clear out my entire hangar at least five times over. Effing...complex...torpedo...things.
I'm going back to my Kernite now.
A t2 fitted munin with a single logistics can easaly tank those torps. Back in the days when I used to do Sansha 10/10's, where station ultima spammed those 180k EM torps, a single t2 fitted munin + logistics could tank the entire last level no problem.
Also jet out some ammo or a bookmark and orbit your can with a afterburner to reduce damage helps. --
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Kusotarre
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kusotarre on 07/02/2007 11:06:51
Originally by: Thor Xian blah blah blah...
Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here.
You don't understand two things.
First off, you don't understand what the word dilemma means.
Second, you don't understand the difference between every single one of those things and the inanity of the 10/10 pith because your brain is malfunctioning. Perhaps you have syphilus.
I'm not going to waste time with all of them, so lets do the first 5.
Travel times need to be higher than zero, or else distance is meaningless. This differs from jumpgate lunacy because jumpgate lunacy doesn't add any depth or fill any required role in Eve. It simply takes up time, for nothing other than the sake of taking up time, apparently.
Pressing F1-F8? It allows you to control your modules. Maybe you can invent a mind-computer interface device, but you play Eve, so I doubt it.
Playing with setups is tedious? You're not even trying.
Social interaction is tedious? You may be a sociopath.
Training skills is tedious? Again, it's a necessity. Show me the necessity of the gate selection in the pith 10/10, please. I'm serious. Tell me, exactly, what this accomplishes. No other plex has it, and all other 10/10s drop superior items (as in, more than one overseer effect). Maybe if the northern 10/10s were in any single way superior to the more numerous high level southern complexes, I wouldn't mind, but we don't even have that.
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Gonada its designed so stupid people find it hard, confusing, and retarded.
so thats makes you guys......
lol
QFT
OMG! You totally got QFTed, Tobias!!
Here's the thing. It's not hard. It's not confusing. It is retardedly tedious, though, and serves absolutely no purpose.
I remember reading a review for some stupid game years ago in a PC Gamer magazine. It was a game called "ESPN Muscle Lifter Champion" or something silly like that. So you play as this muscle fatty, and your goal is to lift up the bar-bell as many times as possible in whatever time period. You accomplish this by tapping the left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right arrow keys as fast as possible.
This is what the pith 10/10 is like. Pointless. Not exciting. Not immersing. Not interesting. Not challenging. Not engaging.
It's nothing. It's pointless filler.
It's not the end of the world, and TBH, I don't even run the dumb thing anymore, other people do it. The only reason I made more than one reply to this is because of LeMonde's post that it was designed this way, and for the life of me I can't see a single reason that would be the case. Perhaps the only interesting thing about this bizarre plex is that, at some point, someone supposedly said somewhere in CCP headquarters "I have this great idea..." and other people said "wow, that is a great idea!"
Perhaps they've all had unprotected sex with Thor Xian.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian Chatting to people while building an empire is tedious.
First, rofl at this, I can just imagine someone leading an alliance getting a convo and going What is it now?
Second.... Originally by: Kusotarre Edited by: Kusotarre on 07/02/2007 11:06:51
Originally by: Thor Xian blah blah blah...
Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here.
You don't understand two things.
First off, you don't understand what the word dilemma means.
PWNED ----------
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Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:33:00 -
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Tag the gates. Easy enough.
Well and for u guys that say its easy to tank the last stage. I had an insane tank on my nighthawk. 1 single torp still hit me with 18k dmg. Another one with 10k dmg.
Famous last words on TS was something like this: Its ok guys, tank is holding up just fine. Np.
Next second my poor NH was ripped to pieces lol
Guess the shield ext wasnt that smart  |

DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: George Petsch Edited by: George Petsch on 17/12/2006 20:18:23 I for one wonder why no one mentioned the torpedo the control tower in the last stage fires every 2 minutes or so.. it does 11k EM damage, against an EM res of 87 .
Now THAT is insane. And yes, we already petitioned, bug reported and slaughtered multiple damsels to calm down various deitys...no effect.
It isnt a bug, it is supposed to be that way.. and trust me is more then doable.
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insulubria
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: George Petsch Edited by: George Petsch on 17/12/2006 20:18:23 I for one wonder why no one mentioned the torpedo the control tower in the last stage fires every 2 minutes or so.. it does 11k EM damage, against an EM res of 87 .
Now THAT is insane. And yes, we already petitioned, bug reported and slaughtered multiple damsels to calm down various deitys...no effect.
damn they should up the damage, should cost someone a bs for the kind of loot you get out of there. 
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 07/02/2007 09:26:40
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: RoDs84
The uber torp in the last part(5) is the Thor Torp which has 180k EM damage with 1000 exp radius. A Claymore with good fitting and rigs will easily tank when logistics and dps bs's help him clear the area.
 Oh. Is that all. ... I'm fairly certain 180K EM damage could clear out my entire hangar at least five times over. Effing...complex...torpedo...things.
I'm going back to my Kernite now.
A t2 fitted munin with a single logistics can easaly tank those torps. Back in the days when I used to do Sansha 10/10's, where station ultima spammed those 180k EM torps, a single t2 fitted munin + logistics could tank the entire last level no problem.
Also jet out some ammo or a bookmark and orbit your can with a afterburner to reduce damage helps.
The difference is that in a sansha complex everything does EM so you only need to tank against that (and a bit therm). Not hard to setup a tank when everything does the same damage.
But in this case everything does Kinetic (and some thermal) with the exception of this last thing, so the ship you used to tank the rest of the complex can not be used to tank the end boss.
If it where really the same the end boss in the sansha complex would fire kinetic missiles and not EM. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |

Goberth Ludwig
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:46:00 -
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Clearly the devs hate the north. 
- Gob
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kusotarre Wall of text
Then simply...don't do the plex. Someone else would love to _ Your sig is pwn - Eris
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kusotarre inane bull****
I think my entire post went over your head, including the word dilemma. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Thor Xian Chatting to people while building an empire is tedious.
First, rofl at this, I can just imagine someone leading an alliance getting a convo and going What is it now?
Second.... Originally by: Kusotarre Edited by: Kusotarre on 07/02/2007 11:06:51
Originally by: Thor Xian blah blah blah...
Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here.
You don't understand two things.
First off, you don't understand what the word dilemma means.
PWNED
Ok _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:55:00 -
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Hee, more carebears getting their heads messed with, this time in plex form. How hilarious.
Just do what every other plex farming ***** does and use an AB-using AF to tank the last level. Those torps have a big blast radius and a super small blast speed, yanno. ----------------------------
Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 07/02/2007 22:11:14 Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 07/02/2007 22:09:57 Since people are retarded, heres what happens : The actual gate to activate is non-random and well known. The only reason it can take several minutes (without hilarious user interface workarounds) is because you cannot select the gate you desire, only a dropdown list of every single gate with no differentiation or correlation to physical location / orientation.
It adds no difficulty, no challenge, nothing cerebral - it's a minute spent clicking through a bad user interface. There's no Maze to it. If that is intentional design, then by god fire some designers.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian
I think the entire thread went over my head, including the word dilemma.
Fixed.
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