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Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:41:00 - [1] Seriosuly, selecting the gates is the most retarded, tedious thing ever. WTF were you thinking, CCP? That is all.
Kate Darieux New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:03:00 - [2] Wait, there are 10/10 guristas complexes now? Originally by: JeanPierre You need to examine Minmatar ships bro. No kidding, I tried to Salvage one last night. Took me 20 cycles before the pilot convoed me and told me to stop it.
Atius Tirawa	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:06:00 - [3] I love your sig fyi. And yes. . .its lame, but the idea is that PvE is not the reason to play the game. . .but since the economy is so messed up - we have no choise!!
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:26:00 - [4] At least provide some sort of info about what the **** your talking. If not, then bug report and go away. Hope mods lock this thread. ---------------------------------
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:32:00 - [5] Originally by: Kusotarre Seriosuly, selecting the gates is the most retarded, tedious thing ever. WTF were you thinking, CCP? That is all. The plex is called "The Maze" for a reason. You can tag the gates with gang system tho' and you can tell everyone to "jump using the second gate from North direction counter-clockwise" or "Use the gate at 7:00 o'clock in 30 seconds!". ----- You are #27 in queue to see this signature.

LeMonde	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:34:00 - [6] It's designed this way

Spike Spiegle Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:42:00 - [7] yes u can tell them but you cant actally sellect the gates by clicking on them, only on the icon which is clustered with the rest
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:45:00 - [8] Well...take your whole corp to the plex then and cover all bases? ----- You are #27 in queue to see this signature.
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:51:00 - [9] Originally by: LeMonde It's designed this way CCP designed it to be retarded? Well... It's keeping in with a lot of their more recent decisions, so I guess I can't be shocked. Nice of you to be honest though. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: LeMonde It's designed this way CCP designed it to be retarded? Well... It's keeping in with a lot of their more recent decisions, so I guess I can't be shocked. Nice of you to be honest though. This man speaks the truth. The man without a face... Still. The Company without a clue...Still.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:54:00 - [11] Apoligies that your ISK printing machine isn't convenient enough... can I interested you in a T2 BPO instead?
Iavia	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:02:00 - [12] hehe I wonder how some of you would have done in the mazes in Zork I. "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"
genes Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:09:00 - [13] Like spike said, the gates are bugged in the 10/10. There is also a key missing in the pith 6/10.
George Petsch Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:18:00 - [14] Edited by: George Petsch on 17/12/2006 20:18:23 I for one wonder why no one mentioned the torpedo the control tower in the last stage fires every 2 minutes or so.. it does 11k EM damage, against an EM res of 87 . Now THAT is insane. And yes, we already petitioned, bug reported and slaughtered multiple damsels to calm down various deitys...no effect.
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:53:00 - [15] Originally by: LeMonde It's designed this way Hold on. Are you actually suggesting each person in the gang is supposed to get the right gate by chance, out of 12 gates, then 24, then 28, then 30? Are you out of your ******* mind? That's a 1 in 1152 chance of getting through. 0.00086% chance. WTF?
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:56:00 - [16] Originally by: George Petsch Now THAT is insane. And yes, we already petitioned, bug reported and slaughtered multiple damsels to calm down various deitys...no effect. Have you even run a 10/10 before? Citadel spewing monsters with huge damage mods have been around for ages. It's fully intended to do massive amounts of damage, consider it a capital class NPC.
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:02:00 - [17] Originally by: George Petsch Edited by: George Petsch on 17/12/2006 20:18:23 I for one wonder why no one mentioned the torpedo the control tower in the last stage fires every 2 minutes or so.. it does 11k EM damage, against an EM res of 87 . Now THAT is insane. And yes, we already petitioned, bug reported and slaughtered multiple damsels to calm down various deitys...no effect. That's not a problem. At all. It makes the plex difficult in a fun, tactical way that requires gang coordination. The stupid fracking gates do not.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:32:00 - [18] Originally by: inSpirAcy Citadel spewing monsters with huge damage mods have been around for ages. It's fully intended to do massive amounts of damage, consider it a capital class NPC. I can assure you that is not the problem and yes all RZR have done 10/10's, our friends have held Cloud Ring for a long long time. So we've done them many times.
Cividari Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:36:00 - [19] Its not that bad tbh, sure it can take a few tries to manage to select the right gate. But you only need one person to manage it and then he can broadcast it to everyone else.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:37:00 - [20] Edited by: inSpirAcy on 17/12/2006 21:37:46 Originally by: Fred0 I can assure you that is not the problem and yes all RZR have done 10/10's, our friends have held Cloud Ring for a long long time. So we've done them many times. Not sure what that is in response to. Your alliance mate was suggesting the citadel-firing NPC was a bug. I'm just saying it's not, they've been in 10/10 complexes for a long time. (Edit: alliance/corp, whatever, it's all politics to me )
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Kusotarre Originally by: LeMonde It's designed this way Hold on. Are you actually suggesting each person in the gang is supposed to get the right gate by chance, out of 12 gates, then 24, then 28, then 30? Are you out of your ***** mind? That's a 1 in 1152 chance of getting through. 0.00086% chance. WTF? Maybe you get a Rattlesnake BPO if you make it to the end? Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:01:00 - [22] Kuso, send me mail ingame ill tell you how to select gates. Meh...
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:31:00 - [23] Will do! If there's a way to circumvent the CCP-screwing-north-via-plexes phenomenon, I need to know!
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:58:00 - [24] can we carebear pith stuff buying missionrunners have some screenshots what you progamer guys are talking about? lol ;D --
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:04:00 - [25] right click > add gate to overview > leader tags > gang refreshes overview (tab-tab) > win eve > profit.
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Kate Darieux Originally by: JeanPierreYou need to examine Minmatar ships bro. No kidding, I tried to Salvage one last night. Took me 20 cycles before the pilot convoed me and told me to stop it. Nothing is more important than this.
Razor Jaxx Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:58:00 - [27] It's called "The Maze" for a reason. And with a little creativity and teamwork it's easily dealt with. Leave it as is, CCP. Fate kills
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:48:00 - [28] its designed so stupid people find it hard, confusing, and retarded. so thats makes you guys...... lol -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: LeMonde It's designed this way CCP designed it to be retarded? Well... It's keeping in with a lot of their more recent decisions, so I guess I can't be shocked. Nice of you to be honest though. _______________________________________________
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.06 21:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Iavia hehe I wonder how some of you would have done in the mazes in Zork I. "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike" Post of the day, give this lady a cookie.
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.02.07 05:03:00 - [31] Ok.. you enter a complex called 'The Maze' and expect a simple path through it? You know you could always not do the plex if you find it that difficult.
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.07 05:05:00 - [32] is the concept of The Maze a good anti-farming strategy? does it disrupt standard farming practices? If yes, maybe CCP should apply this concept to all other complexes.
Tarminic	Posted - 2007.02.07 05:16:00 - [33] Originally by: RoDs84 The uber torp in the last part(5) is the Thor Torp which has 180k EM damage with 1000 exp radius. A Claymore with good fitting and rigs will easily tank when logistics and dps bs's help him clear the area. Oh. Is that all. ... I'm fairly certain 180K EM damage could clear out my entire hangar at least five times over. Effing...complex...torpedo...things. I'm going back to my Kernite now. Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 24000 bytes, 400x120 pixels. - Devil ([email protected]) It's true, I swear.
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 07:43:00 - [34] Wow, this is still up here? I think people are missing the point. This maze crap isn't hard in the sense that you have to use certain fittings, or coordinate with your gang or whatnot. It's that you have to select gates at random until you get the right one, before you can proceed. It's just tedious. An analogous situation for people who haven't been in this plex could be one of the following. 1) You are a miner. You warp into a belt, and look for, say, Crokite. You target a Crokite roid, and start to mine, and 5 seconds later, it disappears, respawns 500 meters away, and a message displays that says "sorry, this is unmineable." This happens 2 or 4 or up to 12 times until you get a roid that can actually be mined. Then you flag it, and your buddies can mine it to. 2) You are running a mission. Your agent gives you 32 bookmarks, all labeled the same. Only one of them takes you to the mission spot. You try them one by one until you happen to warp to the right one. Happy missioning! This is what the Pith 10/10 is like. It's not hard to figure out. It's just mind-numbingly ******* retarded.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:11:00 - [35] Traveling more than 2 jumps is tedious, even with WTZ. Pressing F1-Fwait is also tedious. Logging into TQ is tedious. Fitting my ships in the best possible way is tedious. Chatting to people while building an empire is tedious. Founding Alliances for 75 million ISK is tedious (convo or eve-mail me ingame). Training skills is tedious. Mining is tedious. Trading is tedious. Missions are tedious. Building Outposts is tedious. Building Motherships is tedious. Building Titans is tedious. Eve is tedious. Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Gonada its designed so stupid people find it hard, confusing, and retarded. so thats makes you guys...... lol QFT [OMG! CURRENTLY RECRUITING!]
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:29:00 - [37] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 07/02/2007 09:26:40 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: RoDs84 The uber torp in the last part(5) is the Thor Torp which has 180k EM damage with 1000 exp radius. A Claymore with good fitting and rigs will easily tank when logistics and dps bs's help him clear the area. Oh. Is that all. ... I'm fairly certain 180K EM damage could clear out my entire hangar at least five times over. Effing...complex...torpedo...things. I'm going back to my Kernite now. A t2 fitted munin with a single logistics can easaly tank those torps. Back in the days when I used to do Sansha 10/10's, where station ultima spammed those 180k EM torps, a single t2 fitted munin + logistics could tank the entire last level no problem. Also jet out some ammo or a bookmark and orbit your can with a afterburner to reduce damage helps. --
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:09:00 - [38] Edited by: Kusotarre on 07/02/2007 11:06:51 Originally by: Thor Xian blah blah blah... Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here. You don't understand two things. First off, you don't understand what the word dilemma means. Second, you don't understand the difference between every single one of those things and the inanity of the 10/10 pith because your brain is malfunctioning. Perhaps you have syphilus. I'm not going to waste time with all of them, so lets do the first 5. Travel times need to be higher than zero, or else distance is meaningless. This differs from jumpgate lunacy because jumpgate lunacy doesn't add any depth or fill any required role in Eve. It simply takes up time, for nothing other than the sake of taking up time, apparently. Pressing F1-F8? It allows you to control your modules. Maybe you can invent a mind-computer interface device, but you play Eve, so I doubt it. Playing with setups is tedious? You're not even trying. Social interaction is tedious? You may be a sociopath. Training skills is tedious? Again, it's a necessity. Show me the necessity of the gate selection in the pith 10/10, please. I'm serious. Tell me, exactly, what this accomplishes. No other plex has it, and all other 10/10s drop superior items (as in, more than one overseer effect). Maybe if the northern 10/10s were in any single way superior to the more numerous high level southern complexes, I wouldn't mind, but we don't even have that. Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Gonada its designed so stupid people find it hard, confusing, and retarded. so thats makes you guys...... lol QFT OMG! You totally got QFTed, Tobias!! Here's the thing. It's not hard. It's not confusing. It is retardedly tedious, though, and serves absolutely no purpose. I remember reading a review for some stupid game years ago in a PC Gamer magazine. It was a game called "ESPN Muscle Lifter Champion" or something silly like that. So you play as this muscle fatty, and your goal is to lift up the bar-bell as many times as possible in whatever time period. You accomplish this by tapping the left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right then left then right arrow keys as fast as possible. This is what the pith 10/10 is like. Pointless. Not exciting. Not immersing. Not interesting. Not challenging. Not engaging. It's nothing. It's pointless filler. It's not the end of the world, and TBH, I don't even run the dumb thing anymore, other people do it. The only reason I made more than one reply to this is because of LeMonde's post that it was designed this way, and for the life of me I can't see a single reason that would be the case. Perhaps the only interesting thing about this bizarre plex is that, at some point, someone supposedly said somewhere in CCP headquarters "I have this great idea..." and other people said "wow, that is a great idea!" Perhaps they've all had unprotected sex with Thor Xian.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Thor Xian Chatting to people while building an empire is tedious. First, rofl at this, I can just imagine someone leading an alliance getting a convo and going What is it now? Second.... Originally by: Kusotarre Edited by: Kusotarre on 07/02/2007 11:06:51 Originally by: Thor Xian blah blah blah... Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here. You don't understand two things. First off, you don't understand what the word dilemma means. PWNED ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:33:00 - [40] Tag the gates. Easy enough. Well and for u guys that say its easy to tank the last stage. I had an insane tank on my nighthawk. 1 single torp still hit me with 18k dmg. Another one with 10k dmg. Famous last words on TS was something like this: Its ok guys, tank is holding up just fine. Np. Next second my poor NH was ripped to pieces lol Guess the shield ext wasnt that smart
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:39:00 - [41] Originally by: George Petsch Edited by: George Petsch on 17/12/2006 20:18:23 I for one wonder why no one mentioned the torpedo the control tower in the last stage fires every 2 minutes or so.. it does 11k EM damage, against an EM res of 87 . Now THAT is insane. And yes, we already petitioned, bug reported and slaughtered multiple damsels to calm down various deitys...no effect. It isnt a bug, it is supposed to be that way.. and trust me is more then doable.
insulubria	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:49:00 - [42] Originally by: George Petsch Edited by: George Petsch on 17/12/2006 20:18:23 I for one wonder why no one mentioned the torpedo the control tower in the last stage fires every 2 minutes or so.. it does 11k EM damage, against an EM res of 87 . Now THAT is insane. And yes, we already petitioned, bug reported and slaughtered multiple damsels to calm down various deitys...no effect. damn they should up the damage, should cost someone a bs for the kind of loot you get out of there.
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 07/02/2007 09:26:40 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: RoDs84 The uber torp in the last part(5) is the Thor Torp which has 180k EM damage with 1000 exp radius. A Claymore with good fitting and rigs will easily tank when logistics and dps bs's help him clear the area. Oh. Is that all. ... I'm fairly certain 180K EM damage could clear out my entire hangar at least five times over. Effing...complex...torpedo...things. I'm going back to my Kernite now. A t2 fitted munin with a single logistics can easaly tank those torps. Back in the days when I used to do Sansha 10/10's, where station ultima spammed those 180k EM torps, a single t2 fitted munin + logistics could tank the entire last level no problem. Also jet out some ammo or a bookmark and orbit your can with a afterburner to reduce damage helps. The difference is that in a sansha complex everything does EM so you only need to tank against that (and a bit therm). Not hard to setup a tank when everything does the same damage. But in this case everything does Kinetic (and some thermal) with the exception of this last thing, so the ship you used to tank the rest of the complex can not be used to tank the end boss. If it where really the same the end boss in the sansha complex would fire kinetic missiles and not EM. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.02.07 16:46:00 - [44] Clearly the devs hate the north. - Gob
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services	Posted - 2007.02.07 21:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Kusotarre Wall of text Then simply...don't do the plex. Someone else would love to _ Your sig is pwn - Eris
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.07 21:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Kusotarre inane bull**** I think my entire post went over your head, including the word dilemma. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.07 21:34:00 - [47] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Thor Xian Chatting to people while building an empire is tedious. First, rofl at this, I can just imagine someone leading an alliance getting a convo and going What is it now? Second.... Originally by: Kusotarre Edited by: Kusotarre on 07/02/2007 11:06:51 Originally by: Thor Xian blah blah blah... Apologies if I don't understand the dilemma here. You don't understand two things. First off, you don't understand what the word dilemma means. PWNED Ok _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.07 21:55:00 - [48] Hee, more carebears getting their heads messed with, this time in plex form. How hilarious. Just do what every other plex farming *** does and use an AB-using AF to tank the last level. Those torps have a big blast radius and a super small blast speed, yanno. ---------------------------- Originally by:** Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 22:13:00 - [49] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 07/02/2007 22:11:14 Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 07/02/2007 22:09:57 Since people are retarded, heres what happens : The actual gate to activate is non-random and well known. The only reason it can take several minutes (without hilarious user interface workarounds) is because you cannot select the gate you desire, only a dropdown list of every single gate with no differentiation or correlation to physical location / orientation. It adds no difficulty, no challenge, nothing cerebral - it's a minute spent clicking through a bad user interface. There's no Maze to it. If that is intentional design, then by god fire some designers.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 22:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Thor Xian I think the entire thread went over my head, including the word dilemma. Fixed.

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