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Bell Morte	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:40:00 - [421] Originally by: Press Officer blah blah blah Quote: Im still waiting for your 'proof' and recorded conversations. I doubt you could post much other then more crap.
Atandros Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:41:00 - [422] Edited by: Atandros on 21/12/2006 21:41:25 Originally by: Turix I think this prooves 1 thing. ISS are rich and cant defend themselves. All i can say for ISS - your the biggest chickens in eve. ISS are successful, and in Eve, there are only the successful and the eliminated. No other categories matter ultimately. ------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=417590[i]Sun! Sex! Sin! Death and destruction!
Constantinee Caldari PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:42:00 - [423] like zomg 2 hel's a nyx and a titan i see and like 60 carriers sweet jesus good luck iac Want a Cheap sig?
Barrier Solo Solo Ventures	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:47:00 - [424] Originally by: GO MaZ Edited by: GO MaZ on 21/12/2006 20:07:27 Originally by: Press Officer Nice to see that Priory's only contribution now is the "recorded neutrality rant" Aggressor = IAC Defendant = ISS Please listen, learn and move on. Please, stop posting. You should know by now priory are an opinionated bunch, we all have different opinions and we all express them in different ways. Some of us are more eloquent, some of us prefer the simpler ways, but NONE of us have resorted to posting with an unidentified alt (apart from when banned, rofl muru) purely for the sake of slinging **** at others and beating our chests. Tarnish us all with the same brush if you will, but please, if you feel the need, have some balls and do it with your main. And if there's one thing that most of us (CAOD users, that is) can agree on, it's that unidentified alts bring very little to the table. While in the past some of your members posted some stupid comments, generally I find that ISS and Shroud posts, while on opposite sides of the conflict, are entertaining to read. Same goes for FIX and MC. IAC posts, read like something a 14 year old would write - hormone fuelled and ignorant of how to play with other people. And the Alt and non-involved party posts seem fairly ill-informed. ISS was shocked at having to fight IAC; they did a lot of business with them, respected their space and flew alongside them often enough. In terms of alliance goals they seemed to be quite close. IAC management screwed the pooch and are determined to go down looking like fools. Barrier Solo, CEO, INSM, ISS Join us! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadid=402528
Anara Serraph Black Reign Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:47:00 - [425] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Max Teranous When someone threatens you with a gun, you don't wait till they pull the trigger before you kick them in the balls How dya know it was a gun, they never actually threatened anyone... maybe it was a banana? Well then you'd kick them in the balls and eat the banana, thus disarming them P.S I think this thread may be approaching apathy again
Thundirr Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:48:00 - [426] Yay im a moron, and evidently the single voice of a grunt who has no diplomatic power or any authority reflects the entirety of IAC. Also, ISS are saints... Its just like winning in the special olympics. GL with the forum wars.. its all spin now. Official nobody... i have no power, no say, and thats just about all.
nickky01 The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.21 22:03:00 - [427] Originally by: Thundirr GL with the forum wars.. its all spin now. yep. anyone who wants to know whats really happening should prolly just go into F4 themselves...bring a friend or 200 though, i hear its blobby this time of year =D
Raier	Posted - 2006.12.21 23:17:00 - [428] Edited by: Raier on 21/12/2006 23:17:01 Grumble alt
Turix Silver Star Federation Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2006.12.21 23:17:00 - [429] Edited by: Turix on 21/12/2006 23:19:22 I agree to some extent about people being sucessfull in eve and i have no disput that ISS are, but what i have a problem with is that they seem to need other people to do that. Getting others to do your dirty work, in an eve sense (lets keep IRL out for this if anyone feels like repsonding, im aware that it could be seen differantly in real life), is to be something that shows gthat your a chicken. And to be fair any excuse to shoot at ISS/MC/FIX were else would i be O.o edit- Originally by: Sgt Napalm Originally by: Turix I think this prooves 1 thing. ISS are rich and cant defend themselves. All i can say for ISS - your the biggest chickens in eve. Feel free to come and join the fray. Seeing how we are rich and can't defend ourselves this should be a nice slaughter for you. Well if your so capable - why is all this so called help turned up, in such huge numbers? If you want to proove your worth something do your own dirty work.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.21 23:47:00 - [430] Originally by: Turix Edited by: Turix on 21/12/2006 23:19:22 I agree to some extent about people being sucessfull in eve and i have no disput that ISS are, but what i have a problem with is that they seem to need other people to do that. Getting others to do your dirty work, in an eve sense (lets keep IRL out for this if anyone feels like repsonding, im aware that it could be seen differantly in real life), is to be something that shows gthat your a chicken. And to be fair any excuse to shoot at ISS/MC/FIX were else would i be O.o edit- Originally by: Sgt Napalm Originally by: Turix I think this prooves 1 thing. ISS are rich and cant defend themselves. All i can say for ISS - your the biggest chickens in eve. Feel free to come and join the fray. Seeing how we are rich and can't defend ourselves this should be a nice slaughter for you. Well if your so capable - why is all this so called help turned up, in such huge numbers? If you want to proove your worth something do your own dirty work. /raises hand I'm a sucker for give responses to people who ask for them. This isn't about getting someone else to do the fighting for them, or doing their dirty work as you refer to it. IAC brought a knife to a gun fight, because they didn't 'read the rules'. This war isn't about some friendly pew pew going back and forth, and raiding into each others space. IAC threatened the foundations of ISS's business, and there is only one possible response for such a level of agression. Please don't bother stating the variety of excuses (and yes, they are excuses), that have been put forward that IAC wasn't going to do anything to ISS POS's or Outposts. The gloves come off, and ISS brings forth everything they can to bear to achieve their objectives; they can not afford to do anything less. What that immediately implies is bringing maximum force to the theater. This isn't supposed to be a 'fun' war, this is business, and business if you hadn't heard, is cutthroat. ISS do what they do extremely well, yet they are magically expected to be a premier alliance in every facet of Eve, and not just for their financial focus? In a war where things aren't 'fun', you get things done as quickly as it is feasible to do so. Current mechanics give those with numbers an advantage... is any other explanation even needed? Blog
Marovinchian Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.21 23:48:00 - [431] i honestly can't believe this conversation about who shot who and who attacked outposts whatever blah blah is still going. Point is...ISS hired out and brought in enough people to do it and are getting it done. I think one thing that needs to be clarified though, would be if ISS plans to continue to call themselves a neutral alliance when they are blatantly agressively going after other political entities in eve's assetts. I also think that the continued usage by iss and the parties that represent them of the fact that iac set iss to -10 as the catalyst for near immediate effecting of a VERY large force being brought in to take iac's space is belittling to the intelligence of the eve community.....this is something ISS already have had on thier mind and were just waiting for the proper opportunity politically to make it happen. I can understand and respect an alliance being nuetral, claiming neutrality and defending themselves when attacked, HOWEVER, i don't think you can continue to make that claim when you blatantly go on the offensive.......take switzerland, say someone said....."ok...we don't like switzerland, if we see swiss in the street we are going to shoot holes in thier cheese". Now the swiss take action and defend thier homeland, great...well done switzerland....BUT, if they take thier "army" plus 20 million hired chinese people into the country of the people who said they didn't like them......they are NO LONGER a neutral entity. So, i hope that in the future those claims are not made since it's much more respect inducing to simply tell the truth rather than trying to continue to maintain some foregone "image"...man up to what your doing and who you really are....
Breaka The Clearwater Society	Posted - 2006.12.21 23:53:00 - [432] If you set someone to -10 and don't rule out infrastructure attacks...you can't really cry when they make sure it doesn't happen by going on the offensive. Quit whining. Start "shoosting".
Rhen Caldari Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:01:00 - [433] Of course they can be neutral, to other parties. You have no point, since you cant be neutral to a agressor, A hits B in the face A cant be neutral to B 'cos A is now involved in a conflict whith B... A can still be neutral to C though... Just making conversation.
Raier	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:02:00 - [434] Edited by: Raier on 22/12/2006 00:02:22 Grumble alt again
Turix Silver Star Federation Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:03:00 - [435] Edited by: Turix on 22/12/2006 00:05:38 Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Turix Edited by: Turix on 21/12/2006 23:19:22 I agree to some extent about people being sucessfull in eve and i have no disput that ISS are, but what i have a problem with is that they seem to need other people to do that. Getting others to do your dirty work, in an eve sense (lets keep IRL out for this if anyone feels like repsonding, im aware that it could be seen differantly in real life), is to be something that shows gthat your a chicken. And to be fair any excuse to shoot at ISS/MC/FIX were else would i be O.o edit- Originally by: Sgt Napalm Originally by: Turix I think this prooves 1 thing. ISS are rich and cant defend themselves. All i can say for ISS - your the biggest chickens in eve. Feel free to come and join the fray. Seeing how we are rich and can't defend ourselves this should be a nice slaughter for you. Well if your so capable - why is all this so called help turned up, in such huge numbers? If you want to proove your worth something do your own dirty work. /raises hand I'm a sucker for give responses to people who ask for them. This isn't about getting someone else to do the fighting for them, or doing their dirty work as you refer to it. IAC brought a knife to a gun fight, because they didn't 'read the rules'. This war isn't about some friendly pew pew going back and forth, and raiding into each others space. IAC threatened the foundations of ISS's business, and there is only one possible response for such a level of agression. Please don't bother stating the variety of excuses (and yes, they are excuses), that have been put forward that IAC wasn't going to do anything to ISS POS's or Outposts. The gloves come off, and ISS brings forth everything they can to bear to achieve their objectives; they can not afford to do anything less. What that immediately implies is bringing maximum force to the theater. This isn't supposed to be a 'fun' war, this is business, and business if you hadn't heard, is cutthroat. ISS do what they do extremely well, yet they are magically expected to be a premier alliance in every facet of Eve, and not just for their financial focus? In a war where things aren't 'fun', you get things done as quickly as it is feasible to do so. Current mechanics give those with numbers an advantage... is any other explanation even needed? Well its a game - if your not having 'fun' in a game why are you playing it? Why play it and try to make it not 'fun'? Getting thing done as you say is trivialising pvp, i mean really is blobing someone 250 vs 10 in local fun for you, is it worth you paying and playing a game? The best pvp is 1v1 or 10v10 or hell almost any equal numbers. Remember this fight (to any fix / ex fix memberS) <--Me--> That was even numbers or near enough it was around 60-70 vs 60-70 (it was while back cant be accurate) - and if you remeber it was a ******* awesome fight, hell read some of the stuff in local. If that had been 250 vs 50 - local would be empty/ full of hate/spite. Sorry that was off track but sorta put some point over i hope I have no problem with ISS and IAC fighting, id have no problem if they had bought 1 "friend" i use that term lightly, into the fight but 2 set of merc and 3 resonably sized alliances aswell, its overkill and as i put above trivialising pvp in eve. Now i probably made no sense at all above, as is what happens when i post, but i hope some point was made.
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:07:00 - [436] Originally by: Marovinchian i honestly can't believe this conversation about who shot who and who attacked outposts whatever blah blah is still going. Point is...ISS hired out and brought in enough people to do it and are getting it done. I think one thing that needs to be clarified though, would be if ISS plans to continue to call themselves a neutral alliance when they are blatantly agressively going after other political entities in eve's assetts. I also think that the continued usage by iss and the parties that represent them of the fact that iac set iss to -10 as the catalyst for near immediate effecting of a VERY large force being brought in to take iac's space is belittling to the intelligence of the eve community.....this is something ISS already have had on thier mind and were just waiting for the proper opportunity politically to make it happen. I can understand and respect an alliance being nuetral, claiming neutrality and defending themselves when attacked, HOWEVER, i don't think you can continue to make that claim when you blatantly go on the offensive.......take switzerland, say someone said....."ok...we don't like switzerland, if we see swiss in the street we are going to shoot holes in thier cheese". Now the swiss take action and defend thier homeland, great...well done switzerland....BUT, if they take thier "army" plus 20 million hired chinese people into the country of the people who said they didn't like them......they are NO LONGER a neutral entity. So, i hope that in the future those claims are not made since it's much more respect inducing to simply tell the truth rather than trying to continue to maintain some foregone "image"...man up to what your doing and who you really are.... Thank god they already changed their charter and this whole response can be ignored. However, I find it funny you say: 'i honestly can't believe this conversation about who shot who and who attacked outposts whatever blah blah is still going' and then you start on the topic as well... What your saying is that switzerland should simply accept being invaded and shot at, fight back but at the border say: 'ho! wait a minute, we're neutral, no crossing the border people!'. When someone attacks you neutral is no longer an issue, didn't you learn about the WW's at school? Every 'neutral' country that got invaded fought back, also on enemy turf. Why did I respond to this? ISS changed their charter, they no longer claim to be neutral because of people giving every possible interpretation of the word as they see fit..
Marovinchian Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:15:00 - [437] people are so rediculously stupid in eve
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:19:00 - [438] Originally by: Marovinchian people are so rediculously stupid in eve It's funny how people resort to slander when they lost the argument.
Marovinchian Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:20:00 - [439] Edited by: Marovinchian on 22/12/2006 00:22:19 lol....ive lost nothing to you other than my need for any conversation with a nobody...thank you for your intelligent and witty remarks and i apologize for not making the effort to constantly read iss's charter.... or should being a ceo of a 1 man corp that says "friendly to iss" make me tremble and quake at the thought of you trying to contradict me on the forums.
Thundirr Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:24:00 - [440] Originally by: Xander Magnus Originally by: Thundirr IAC Tried to tell ISS they werent happy. We tried several times. When we got fed up we punched ISS in the face because nothing else was working. Now ISS is attempting to burn down our house. Thats what ISS is doing to its neighbor. Instead of trying to work out differences they are going for burning down the house. Grats ISS. GL to you. And thanks for proving our point. You're not entirely accurate there, let me help you. You punch ISS in the face, ISS says: 'please don't hurt my wife and children!', you say:'I can't promise you I wont'. And now everyone in IAC is telling: if we DID hurt your wife and children, only THEN were you supposed to kick us in the nuts. I'm getting fed up with these lame excuses and am loosing all respect for IAC. Stop implying ISS wants your outposts after you hinted interest in theirs. If you had offered peace right after the first punches were dealt I'm positive ISS would have accepted it. Now it's probably too late and you're using the forums to try to score some points, but instead now you even lost your honour. I in no way am an offical rep of IAC. I just say what i think Please avoid changing my statements. Thanks
Marovinchian Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:26:00 - [441] oh, and in response to your attempt at using history to contradict me....how many of those countries who WERE neutral...still claim nuetrality or do so while living on land they took from someone else?
Thundirr Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:32:00 - [442] Originally by: Marovinchian i honestly can't believe this conversation about who shot who and who attacked outposts whatever blah blah is still going. Point is...ISS hired out and brought in enough people to do it and are getting it done. I think one thing that needs to be clarified though, would be if ISS plans to continue to call themselves a neutral alliance when they are blatantly agressively going after other political entities in eve's assetts. I also think that the continued usage by iss and the parties that represent them of the fact that iac set iss to -10 as the catalyst for near immediate effecting of a VERY large force being brought in to take iac's space is belittling to the intelligence of the eve community.....this is something ISS already have had on thier mind and were just waiting for the proper opportunity politically to make it happen. This just about sums it up.
spoon2 Slacker Industries	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:35:00 - [443] Interesting it looks like its getting more interesting for all involved, I see AAA joining the fight from the IAC side on the killboards. Lets hope the nodes hold up have fun.
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:50:00 - [444] Originally by: Marovinchian Edited by: Marovinchian on 22/12/2006 00:22:19 lol....ive lost nothing to you other than my need for any conversation with a nobody... I'm sorry if I have offended you in some way, that was not my intention. I will take you up on this one and try to leave these threads alone. The arguments are clear now and going in a circle, everyone is able to make up their own mind about the conflict with all the arguments that have been stated on these forums. Good luck to everyone, just try to keep in mind that love is the answer in the end :D
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:58:00 - [445] Originally by: Turix Well its a game - if your not having 'fun' in a game why are you playing it? Why play it and try to make it not 'fun'? Getting thing done as you say is trivialising pvp, i mean really is blobing someone 250 vs 10 in local fun for you, is it worth you paying and playing a game? The best pvp is 1v1 or 10v10 or hell almost any equal numbers. Remember this fight (to any fix / ex fix memberS) <--Me--> That was even numbers or near enough it was around 60-70 vs 60-70 (it was while back cant be accurate) - and if you remeber it was a ******* awesome fight, hell read some of the stuff in local. If that had been 250 vs 50 - local would be empty/ full of hate/spite. Sorry that was off track but sorta put some point over i hope I have no problem with ISS and IAC fighting, id have no problem if they had bought 1 "friend" i use that term lightly, into the fight but 2 set of merc and 3 resonably sized alliances aswell, its overkill and as i put above trivialising pvp in eve. Now i probably made no sense at all above, as is what happens when i post, but i hope some point was made. What you said makes complete sense, Turix. It's always the even fights, whether you win or lose, that always provide the most excitement. But you have forgotten a few things. In the entire Catch/Querious conflict, there weren't many fights like this because you did exactly what you claim is not fun. You rolled 250 man squads into our systems and just sat there with us unable to mount any sort of capable way to counter your numbers. FIX could have fought, but it would have been slaughter. What used to be just SA versus FIX turned into SA/Smash/Vox/Huzzah/Imperium/Fountain/TSDS/Omega Corp versus FIX-- at which point fun was thrown out the window. As for the gang bang versus IAC, we look to the previous conflict for the answer. The McFIX coalition seemingly had the upper hand conducting a blitzkrieg strike in G7 putting all the pos's into reinforced. We didn't count on a few things. First was the ungodly amount of Strontium in the towers. Second, the movement of most of IAC's assets into a second Outpost in F4R setup just a day or two prior, and third and most importantly, the amount of external support IAC was able to muster. Taking that into account as well as IAC's new alliance with the Red Alliance and Goonswarm, numbers should be even, possibly even tipped in IAC's hand. While there have been some Goonswarm squads moving into the area, the support never really materialized on IAC's side, and we were left with the appearance of a one sided slaughter... until now. No doubt that in a few days we will truly see how much support is on IAC's side. ____________________________ my sig
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:48:00 - [446] Originally by: nickky01 how long is MC/FIX/LV/someonecomeupwithfunnynamesfortheseguys U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webshosting
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:57:00 - [447] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Well this surely is a bad time for my corp to disband and leave ISS :cry: never try to be on the winners side. be loyal to your side whichever that is, and everybodys respect is yours. U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webshosting
Press Officer Leaked Memo's	Posted - 2006.12.22 11:59:00 - [448] Quote: I have no problem with ISS and IAC fighting, id have no problem if they had bought 1 "friend" i use that term lightly, into the fight but 2 set of merc and 3 resonably sized alliances aswell, its overkill and as i put above trivialising pvp in eve. Then I suggest you don't attack a "Industry based alliance" with deep pockets backed by 1000's of shareholders all in there own alliances.
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2006.12.22 14:49:00 - [449] Originally by: Thundirr Originally by: Marovinchian i honestly can't believe this conversation about who shot who and who attacked outposts whatever blah blah is still going. Point is...ISS hired out and brought in enough people to do it and are getting it done. I think one thing that needs to be clarified though, would be if ISS plans to continue to call themselves a neutral alliance when they are blatantly agressively going after other political entities in eve's assetts. I also think that the continued usage by iss and the parties that represent them of the fact that iac set iss to -10 as the catalyst for near immediate effecting of a VERY large force being brought in to take iac's space is belittling to the intelligence of the eve community.....this is something ISS already have had on thier mind and were just waiting for the proper opportunity politically to make it happen. This just about sums it up. Errr...you're both over-looking that little bitty detail where hundreds of IAC pilots and their pirate allies invaded ISS outpost systems, while IAC leadership, both here and in direct conversation, continued to threaten ISS outposts. Little details like invasions and threats are actually sometimes relevant.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.22 15:33:00 - [450] This is a case of someone not backing down. It seems ISS was serious in their diplomatic conversations with IAC, and IAC did not take the talks seriously. That kind of behavior is not very trust engendering in a nabour - so ISS, with the blessing of its share holders, decided to protect their assets. The debate is whether that was preemptive or not. If it was, then ISS may have jumped the gun, but it seems from reading the posts that IAC was preparing for a large scale assult, and this is why the talks were never taken seriously. If it was not, and it is possible that the first shots were fired from IACs side, then ISSs response is perfectly valid. When people read 'neutral' as 'passive' they have missed the essential nature of neutrality. Neutral means, ISS will not become involved in the large scale operations of other allainces unless it protects their assets. Thats all neutral means. And with a remarkably good record, ISS has done just this - remained neutral while the rest of the south is racked with wars. So IAC wanted a piece of ISS, and ISS is going to make sure IAC will not be in a position to bargan for a long time to come. This is an investment by ISS, and with no ill will to IAC (who are fine people and good pilots), ISS will drop as much money as is needed to nullify you. We all see it as the smart thing to do, I see no reason for anyone arguing about it. Now, lets see how much IAC will be able to salvage from this dire situation.

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