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Jalec Creed
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.18 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 12:04:42 Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 11:56:05 So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread) I received a gang invite from some nameless noob which I naturally refused. Now he¦s been trailing me ever since Now im not the type to step aside for scum like carebears so I wanna make him eat my blaster fudge.
Now I am asking, can a Thorax tackle a Cerberus? This guy is trailing me everywhere I go and its quite annoying. Id like to have a go at him, but Id like to hear your views on my chances.
Here is an impression of my setup:
HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium) 2x Medium named NOS 1x Small named NOS
MIDS: 10mn AB Named Warp scrambler (can be swapped for this battle) Named Webber (can be swapped for this battle)
LOWS: 1x Medium named Repper 1x Small named Repper 2x EANM 1x 800mm plate.
Drones: 5x hammerheads (can upgrade em to T2 in a day if needed)
Let me know!!
Oh and btw: Yarr.
EDIT: after checking out the potential weak spots of the Cerberus I intend to use 2 drone types: For the destruction of hisshields - Infiltrators After the shields go down - Valkeries. IIRC these chip away at the weakest spots of the Cerberus defense. If needed I can attempt to swap ammo to speed up the process.
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Private Iron
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:03:00 -
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You will die a horrible death I'm afraid. The Cerb is probably fully t2 fitted so you won't stand much of a chance.
If you really want to go for it I think you should try a light neutron II+1600mm plate setup. -----
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Jalec Creed
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:06:00 -
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I see. Is there a way to jam the Cerberus¦ launchers ? And is it possible to get within a certain range to reduce impact effectiveness of the missiles?
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Private Iron
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:11:00 -
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To jam the cerb use ecm. Cerbs have a bonus to missile velocity and can hit up to pretty long range so there isn't really an effective range that you will be safe at and still be able to kill him. -----
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Fodderrr
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Posted - 2006.12.18 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Fodderrr on 18/12/2006 13:16:09 lol you do realise the cerb has close to 80% kinetic/thermal resists even on armor its quite high. I say let it go, if you lose or run he will tell his friends and they will 4va say how much of a newb you are when ever they see you in local.
Buy a better ship or dont bother trying
P.S your setting up a thorax like a vexor and if the cerb is passive tanking your stuffed
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Evil Sulu
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.18 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jalec Creed So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread)
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HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium), 2x Medium named NOS, 1x Small named NOS
It should be renamed to a Death Inevitability thread if you intend to take down a cerb with just a nosing Rax. Maybe you'll get lucky and his fitting is as bad as yours - sort of like clash of the retarded titans. Go get em tiger! And let us know how it turns out. -------------
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Don Jehova
Gallente Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.18 14:05:00 -
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The only way you would even have a tiny 1 to 1000 chance of getting this guy is to replace all nos with guns, warp right on top of him and hope is poorly fitted. Still his resist without any modules are very high, and you are probably not gonna be able to break his tank.
If you are not right on top of him, get out of there. His range is much greater than yours.
Remember this is a tier 2 ship, where as yours is tier 1 - a small indicator that this is a lost battle, and the only real advice is run like hell, or gang up on him to get a sweet kill
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Jalec Creed
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.18 14:38:00 -
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Hm I dont want to see this as a clash of the 'retarded' titans - simply as a 1v1 between a 12 day old and a 13 months old player aka Cruiser versus HAC. I simply am bold enough to take him on knowing I might lose my ship to this warbeast Cerberus, but I wont step aside for a 1 year old player who flew a Osprey cruiser fitted with 2 civilian shield boosters, 3 miner 2's and a miner 1. Ill take my chances and see how far I can get. I might just get lucky...otherwise I lose a few pennies tops.
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gettosmurf
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:13:00 -
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Few tips(if you are really determant to go solo to this battle) that might help(but still I would bet against you):
Get rid of that nos you are carrying.
Fit blasters. They hurt like hell.
Tech II drones are better than Tech I, so they help(duh).
Land on top of him when you engage.
Insure your ship before you go to battle.
But I would personally bring 3 friends in hacs...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:16:00 -
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Blasters are totally useless against a Cerberus because of its incredibly high Kin/Therm resists.
The only possibility I see is if you do something crazy like fit NOS and EM drones.
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slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 18/12/2006 18:22:42
my crazy idea is this-
high use projectiles,autocannons, 220 vulcans using em ammo. mids mwd, web 2points scrsm lows med rep, 800plate (or biggest u can fit) resists (he will use expl missiles ill bet so tank explosive,then kinetic,then thermal)
drones medium ecm drons
tactics- pray your ecm drones work, if they dont your screwed.
this setup will work if they do (they could do)
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:37:00 -
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I'd personally fit 3 nos and try to kill his cap. Fit guns with whatever slots you have left.
Since the cerb gets a bonus to kinetic missiles pray you guess right and go for a stupidly stong kinetic tank. (drop the plate and go 3 kinetic hardners)
If you can tank his damage yours is irrelevant since he will die eventually if cap dead.
Drop the web and fit a cap booster and tons of charges in the hold.
Manage your drones carefully since if he targets them you lose a lot of your offense.
Screw it, try this setup and if you die post here and I'll re-imburse you, its only a cruiser
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 18/12/2006 18:22:42
my crazy idea is this-
high use projectiles,autocannons, 220 vulcans using em ammo. mids mwd, web 2points scrsm lows med rep, 800plate (or biggest u can fit) resists (he will use expl missiles ill bet so tank explosive,then kinetic,then thermal)
drones medium ecm drons
tactics- pray your ecm drones work, if they dont your screwed.
this setup will work if they do (they could do)
I'd probably drop the web and fit a gravimetric jammer also...Once you get close i doubt he will be travelling fast enough to keep you far away. ----
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:52:00 -
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Just stock 5xEC-600 drones in bay, they're so overpowered it's not even funny.
Since the Cerb won't fly away from you, perhaps stick a Sensor Damp instead of a web in mids to counter the few chances he does get between EW drone lock breaks. If he has fof missiles in cargo thou, it's all over... Align out and warp away when drones break lock.
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Jalec Creed
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:42:00 -
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Absolutely fantastic to see this much input! I figured id try a big Kinetic defense setup in combination with drones like i previously listed. The NOS does seem like a good plan anyway since draining his power probably is my best bet. Luckily my own resist are above moderate if I stack up on Kin hardeners and I can swap my web/scram for more efficient modules since i dont expect him to run. Ill try it soon when I cross his path again.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:45:00 -
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dude, honestly, trying to kill a cerberus fitted for pvp in a thorax is just a stupid idea
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:01:00 -
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If he reads the forums your dead hmmkay?
He has a rather poor sensor strength (16 grav.) so i'd fit a scram, (no web!), a T2 spatial destabiliser and a sensor dampener in meds.
Lows: youll want a 1600 plate simple because if he does get lock and fires a few volleys you will want to live and be able to rep it back while he is jammed. Do not go all-dmg, you will lose. Use ecm and use it wisely.
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jalec Creed Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 12:04:42 Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 11:56:05 So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread) I received a gang invite from some nameless noob which I naturally refused. Now he¦s been trailing me ever since Now im not the type to step aside for scum like carebears so I wanna make him eat my blaster fudge.
Now I am asking, can a Thorax tackle a Cerberus? This guy is trailing me everywhere I go and its quite annoying. Id like to have a go at him, but Id like to hear your views on my chances.
Here is an impression of my setup:
HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium) 2x Medium named NOS 1x Small named NOS
MIDS: 10mn AB Named Warp scrambler (can be swapped for this battle) Named Webber (can be swapped for this battle)
LOWS: 1x Medium named Repper 1x Small named Repper 2x EANM 1x 800mm plate.
Drones: 5x hammerheads (can upgrade em to T2 in a day if needed)
Let me know!!
Oh and btw: Yarr.
EDIT: after checking out the potential weak spots of the Cerberus I intend to use 2 drone types: For the destruction of hisshields - Infiltrators After the shields go down - Valkeries. IIRC these chip away at the weakest spots of the Cerberus defense. If needed I can attempt to swap ammo to speed up the process.
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first.. whit that setup u will just annoy the cerb... and he will pwn you very fast when he gets bored
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Magnus Card
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:22:00 -
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Enlist the help of some Pirates or gate campers. Tell them there is a nice juicy t2 fitted Cerb following you and ask them if that want a ***** at it. I'm sure there are a number of people who would make some sort of deal with you to deliver him into a nice bubble.
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McCade
Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:39:00 -
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Jump a Scorp on him with 5x racials and T2 cruise...
I like that in eve you do have "a chance" of beating higher skill point players by using good tactics, but this scenario is a little much :/
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Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:48:00 -
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Your best bet is probably to get a few friends to help. Killing a Cerberus is insanely hard. Especially in a tech I cruiser. If you really want to go solo then fit ecm since it's almost your only chance. --------------------------- Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......."
Thanks for the loot, and next time you go out to pirate, carry more tech 2 plz =) |
Jalec Creed
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:01:00 -
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I understand my chances are below zero, but I feel the need to try. His mining cruisers were so patheticaly fitted I can hardly believe he has a uber setup in his HAC. Civilian shield boosters x2, miner IIs mixed with miner Is and absolutely nothing else (!) on a Osprey and hardly more on a Exequror makes me believe I have at least a chance to suprise him with a retaliation that i can uphold for a minute or 2 - perhaps more. Like I said again: im not even worried about losing the ISK spent on a Thorax - I just feel the need to test my mettle vs a player who is older than a year compared to my 12 day old pirate. If i manage to deplete his shields my point is made. Some call it stupid, others might call it bold. I myself see it as a test to see exactly what I might be capabale of when engaging a beast in the hands of a quasi-ok pilot.
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:18:00 -
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I second the AC with Emp Ammo and ECM drone setup...
Then go balls to the walls. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Serianant
Gallente Genos Occidere Edge of Sanity
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:28:00 -
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you wont be able to hold 10 medium drones in a rax
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sgt spike
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: sgt spike on 18/12/2006 22:32:13 1 nos to keep yer ew and blasters running 4 medium electron blasters 1 mwd, 1 sensor dampener, 1 caldari specific jammer small armour rep , 1 kinetic hardener, 3 magnetic field stabilisers
dont worry about webbing you can probably move faster than him with no plate on, dont worry about the plate as if the sensor damp/ ecm combo dont work yer stuffed, dont worry about fitting a scrammy just tell im yer frapsing it and its getting posted on the forums so if he runs from a t1 ship hes a chicken****
can you put a price on peace?
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 18/12/2006 22:51:32 Taking him on alone unless you can fly ANYTHING bigger is folly, however there IS a GREAT way to kill him just not like you would think.
*FIRST* Scan his ship, if he is following you around this will be VERY EASY and its not hostile so just scan him in empire. Figure out his top speed based on fittings and make sure you are faster.
1. Dump the thorax, yeah you probably like it but its going to get destroyed.
2. Buy a Celestus, make sure your Gal cruiser lvl is High (atleast 4) and make sure you have the skill that boosts sensor damper effectiveness (try to have atleast 3, 4 if possible) and put in what you need to be faster than the cerberus (t2 AB or maybee an MWD depending on what he has)
3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers and use EMP ammo(also take explosive to use on the armor). also take 4 of the BEST medium emp damage drones you can get (t2 is EASY! to get for light/med scout)
4. Logic would suggest getting as close as possible, this is FALSE. You want to be between 15-20km from him so you can damp him below that range but still be able to warp scramble him. YOU NEED TO BE FASTEST SO YOU CAN DICTATE RANGE!!!!!!. Add one sw-900 drone (25m3 but will web the target if your not quite fast enough) and exchange some of your medium emp drones for lights so that you can have 5 out (2 lights>1 medium)
So to sumarize 1. Use a clestus NOT a thorax 2. Dont use railguns, use heavy missiles and t2 medium drones(emp) 3. Sensor damp him with 2 t2 sensor dampers 4. Jam him and keep range at 15-20km 5. Sit back and relax as he ralizes he cant hit you, not even with FOF missiles while your emp missiles/drones tear him apart in shor order. 6. IF YOU ARENT THE FASTEST SHIP YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fitting requirements (left over spaces option based on results of ship can) High - 2 Heavy missile launchers Medium - 2 t2 dampers, ab/mwd (based on ship scan), 20km warp scrammer Low - Whatever you want (ex, speed mods, damage mods, cap regen)
**NOTE** you can basically neglect your tank as if you start getting hit the game is over anyway
This is how i put a smack talking pirate in his place.
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:50:00 -
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the irony of the OP calling some guy in a better ship than him, trailing him for the opportunity to kill him a carebear is pretty funny
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.18 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran 3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers
How? With duct tape and a staple gun?
To the OP: T2 Light Neutron blasters across the top, 1600 plate, ecm drones. You will be very lucky if you win.
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CherniyVolk
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Posted - 2006.12.18 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 18/12/2006 22:51:32 Taking him on alone unless you can fly ANYTHING bigger is folly, however there IS a GREAT way to kill him just not like you would think.
*FIRST* Scan his ship, if he is following you around this will be VERY EASY and its not hostile so just scan him in empire. Figure out his top speed based on fittings and make sure you are faster.
1. Dump the thorax, yeah you probably like it but its going to get destroyed.
2. Buy a Celestus, make sure your Gal cruiser lvl is High (atleast 4) and make sure you have the skill that boosts sensor damper effectiveness (try to have atleast 3, 4 if possible) and put in what you need to be faster than the cerberus (t2 AB or maybee an MWD depending on what he has)
3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers and use EMP ammo(also take explosive to use on the armor). also take 4 of the BEST medium emp damage drones you can get (t2 is EASY! to get for light/med scout)
4. Logic would suggest getting as close as possible, this is FALSE. You want to be between 15-20km from him so you can damp him below that range but still be able to warp scramble him. YOU NEED TO BE FASTEST SO YOU CAN DICTATE RANGE!!!!!!. Add one sw-900 drone (25m3 but will web the target if your not quite fast enough) and exchange some of your medium emp drones for lights so that you can have 5 out (2 lights>1 medium)
So to sumarize 1. Use a clestus NOT a thorax 2. Dont use railguns, use heavy missiles and t2 medium drones(emp) 3. Sensor damp him with 2 t2 sensor dampers 4. Jam him and keep range at 15-20km 5. Sit back and relax as he ralizes he cant hit you, not even with FOF missiles while your emp missiles/drones tear him apart in shor order. 6. IF YOU ARENT THE FASTEST SHIP YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fitting requirements (left over spaces option based on results of ship can) High - 2 Heavy missile launchers Medium - 2 t2 dampers, ab/mwd (based on ship scan), 20km warp scrammer Low - Whatever you want (ex, speed mods, damage mods, cap regen)
**NOTE** you can basically neglect your tank as if you start getting hit the game is over anyway
This is how i put a smack talking pirate in his place.
An Excellent idea. Celestis does make for an interesting ship at times. However, I doubt that the Celestis (even with T2 fittings) can inflict enough damage to kill a HAC.
Also, if you scan the Cerberus and find he's using HAMs? You only need to orbit at around 10-15KM, because the HAMs can't travel any further.
Doesn't matter though, so a Celestis can lock down a Cerberus... OK. But, the Celestis can't dish the firepower to kill one.
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Ciphero
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.18 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ciphero on 19/12/2006 00:00:11
Originally by: MrTripps To the OP: T2 Light Neutron blasters across the top, 1600 plate, ecm drones. You will be very lucky if you win.
With that setup, he certainly will. The Cerb would sit there laughing as the blasters hit him for minimal damage, firing volley after volley that will shred that 1600m far too quickly.
As has been said, hybrids are simply not an option here. The Caldari HACs are designed to withstand Gallente damage - thermal/kinetic.
It's a pretty blasphemous setup, but what about 220mm ACs (EMP ammo), Infiltrators and a Gravimetric jammer? You won't kill him fast, but it's probably as good a chance as you have. His tank beats yours hands down, as does his damage and presumably his skillpoint total. The only semi-weakness in a HAC is its comparitively poor sensor strength. Exploit this while on your knees and praying.
Edit: About HAMs - the cerb gets a missile range bonus, underestimate HAM range from a cerb at your peril. |
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