Originally by: Jalec Creed

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So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread)

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HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium), 2x Medium named NOS, 1x Small named NOS

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Originally by: slothe

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Edited by: slothe on 18/12/2006 18:22:42

my crazy idea is this-

high
use projectiles,autocannons, 220 vulcans using em ammo.
mids
mwd, web 2points scrsm
lows
med rep, 800plate (or biggest u can fit) resists (he will use expl missiles ill bet so tank explosive,then kinetic,then thermal)

drones
medium ecm drons

tactics- pray your ecm drones work, if they dont your screwed.

this setup will work if they do (they could do)

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Originally by: Jalec Creed

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Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 12:04:42
Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 11:56:05
So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread) I received a gang invite from some nameless noob which I naturally refused.
Now he¦s been trailing me ever since
Now im not the type to step aside for scum like carebears so I wanna make him eat my blaster fudge.

Now I am asking, can a Thorax tackle a Cerberus?
This guy is trailing me everywhere I go and its quite annoying.
Id like to have a go at him, but Id like to hear your views on my chances.

Here is an impression of my setup:

HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium)
2x Medium named NOS
1x Small named NOS

MIDS: 10mn AB
Named Warp scrambler (can be swapped for this battle)
Named Webber (can be swapped for this battle)

LOWS: 1x Medium named Repper
1x Small named Repper
2x EANM
1x 800mm plate.

Drones: 5x hammerheads (can upgrade em to T2 in a day if needed)

Let me know!!

Oh and btw: Yarr.

EDIT: after checking out the potential weak spots of the Cerberus I intend to use 2 drone types:
For the destruction of hisshields - Infiltrators
After the shields go down - Valkeries.
IIRC these chip away at the weakest spots of the Cerberus defense.
If needed I can attempt to swap ammo to speed up the process.

Moved from Crime & Punishment - Devil ([email protected])

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Originally by: Christopher Dalran

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3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers

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Originally by: Christopher Dalran

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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 18/12/2006 22:51:32
Taking him on alone unless you can fly ANYTHING bigger is folly, however there IS a GREAT way to kill him just not like you would think.

*FIRST* Scan his ship, if he is following you around this will be VERY EASY and its not hostile so just scan him in empire. Figure out his top speed based on fittings and make sure you are faster.

1. Dump the thorax, yeah you probably like it but its going to get destroyed.

2. Buy a Celestus, make sure your Gal cruiser lvl is High (atleast 4) and make sure you have the skill that boosts sensor damper effectiveness (try to have atleast 3, 4 if possible) and put in what you need to be faster than the cerberus (t2 AB or maybee an MWD depending on what he has)

3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers and use EMP ammo(also take explosive to use on the armor). also take 4 of the BEST medium emp damage drones you can get (t2 is EASY! to get for light/med scout)

4. Logic would suggest getting as close as possible, this is FALSE. You want to be between 15-20km from him so you can damp him below that range but still be able to warp scramble him. YOU NEED TO BE FASTEST SO YOU CAN DICTATE RANGE!!!!!!. Add one sw-900 drone (25m3 but will web the target if your not quite fast enough) and exchange some of your medium emp drones for lights so that you can have 5 out (2 lights>1 medium)

So to sumarize
1. Use a clestus NOT a thorax
2. Dont use railguns, use heavy missiles and t2 medium drones(emp)
3. Sensor damp him with 2 t2 sensor dampers
4. Jam him and keep range at 15-20km
5. Sit back and relax as he ralizes he cant hit you, not even with FOF missiles while your emp missiles/drones tear him apart in shor order.
6. IF YOU ARENT THE FASTEST SHIP YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fitting requirements (left over spaces option based on results of ship can)
High - 2 Heavy missile launchers
Medium - 2 t2 dampers, ab/mwd (based on ship scan), 20km warp scrammer
Low - Whatever you want (ex, speed mods, damage mods, cap regen)

**NOTE** you can basically neglect your tank as if you start getting hit the game is over anyway

This is how i put a smack talking pirate in his place.

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Originally by: MrTripps

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To the OP: T2 Light Neutron blasters across the top, 1600 plate, ecm drones. You will be very lucky if you win.

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Originally by: MrTripps

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Originally by: Christopher Dalran

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3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers

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How? With duct tape and a staple gun?

To the OP: T2 Light Neutron blasters across the top, 1600 plate, ecm drones. You will be very lucky if you win.

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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari

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NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Blasters are totally useless against a Cerberus because of its incredibly high Kin/Therm resists.

The only possibility I see is if you do something crazy like fit NOS and ECM drones.

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Originally by: Minyon

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Your going to have a very hard time trying to kill a caracal solo with a thorax as i think its easy for a caracal to tank a full gank fited rax.

Try useing a Myrmidon and fit it with full tank and nos, on the test server i was more than tanking a heavy missile caracal with just 1 of my 2 repairs running
this is the setup i used

high
4 x medium nos
2 x medium auto cannons

mid
medium cap injector
weber
warp scrambler
after burner
cap recharger

lows
2 medium armor repairs
thermal, kinetik, explosive hardners
1 20% to all armor hardner

or maybe a nos brutix would work

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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch

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Originally by: Minyon

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Your going to have a very hard time trying to kill a caracal solo with a thorax as i think its easy for a caracal to tank a full gank fited rax.

Try useing a Myrmidon and fit it with full tank and nos, on the test server i was more than tanking a heavy missile caracal with just 1 of my 2 repairs running
this is the setup i used

high
4 x medium nos
2 x medium auto cannons

mid
medium cap injector
weber
warp scrambler
after burner
cap recharger

lows
2 medium armor repairs
thermal, kinetik, explosive hardners
1 20% to all armor hardner

or maybe a nos brutix would work

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You are short 1 high slot, 2 med slots and a low slot

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Originally by: Serianant

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you wont be able to hold 10 medium drones in a rax

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Originally by: Gonada

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the irony of the OP calling some guy in a better ship than him, trailing him for the opportunity to kill him a carebear is pretty funny

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Originally by: Minyon

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Try useing a Myrmidon

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Originally by: Jalec Creed

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So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread) I received a gang invite from some nameless noob which I naturally refused. Now he¦s been trailing me ever since

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Originally by: CherniyVolk

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Originally by: Christopher Dalran

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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 18/12/2006 22:51:32
Taking him on alone unless you can fly ANYTHING bigger is folly, however there IS a GREAT way to kill him just not like you would think.

*FIRST* Scan his ship, if he is following you around this will be VERY EASY and its not hostile so just scan him in empire. Figure out his top speed based on fittings and make sure you are faster.

1. Dump the thorax, yeah you probably like it but its going to get destroyed.

2. Buy a Celestus, make sure your Gal cruiser lvl is High (atleast 4) and make sure you have the skill that boosts sensor damper effectiveness (try to have atleast 3, 4 if possible) and put in what you need to be faster than the cerberus (t2 AB or maybee an MWD depending on what he has)

3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers and use EMP ammo(also take explosive to use on the armor). also take 4 of the BEST medium emp damage drones you can get (t2 is EASY! to get for light/med scout)

4. Logic would suggest getting as close as possible, this is FALSE. You want to be between 15-20km from him so you can damp him below that range but still be able to warp scramble him. YOU NEED TO BE FASTEST SO YOU CAN DICTATE RANGE!!!!!!. Add one sw-900 drone (25m3 but will web the target if your not quite fast enough) and exchange some of your medium emp drones for lights so that you can have 5 out (2 lights>1 medium)

So to sumarize
1. Use a clestus NOT a thorax
2. Dont use railguns, use heavy missiles and t2 medium drones(emp)
3. Sensor damp him with 2 t2 sensor dampers
4. Jam him and keep range at 15-20km
5. Sit back and relax as he ralizes he cant hit you, not even with FOF missiles while your emp missiles/drones tear him apart in shor order.
6. IF YOU ARENT THE FASTEST SHIP YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fitting requirements (left over spaces option based on results of ship can)
High - 2 Heavy missile launchers
Medium - 2 t2 dampers, ab/mwd (based on ship scan), 20km warp scrammer
Low - Whatever you want (ex, speed mods, damage mods, cap regen)

**NOTE** you can basically neglect your tank as if you start getting hit the game is over anyway

This is how i put a smack talking pirate in his place.

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An Excellent idea. Celestis does make for an interesting ship at times. However, I doubt that the Celestis (even with T2 fittings) can inflict enough damage to kill a HAC.

Also, if you scan the Cerberus and find he's using HAMs? You only need to orbit at around 10-15KM, because the HAMs can't travel any further.

Doesn't matter though, so a Celestis can lock down a Cerberus... OK. But, the Celestis can't dish the firepower to kill one.

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Originally by: Laythun

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Use a vexor

EM med drones
light neutron blasters + nos

meds
stuff

lows
1600 plate, 2 small reps ean

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Quote:

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Im exactly 13 days old at the time i post this.
Ive spent my time training combat and drone skills instead of rushing into ships I cannot use properly.

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Originally by: Jalec Creed

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Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 12:04:42
Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 11:56:05
So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread) I received a gang invite from some nameless noob which I naturally refused.
Now he¦s been trailing me ever since
Now im not the type to step aside for scum like carebears so I wanna make him eat my blaster fudge.

Now I am asking, can a Thorax tackle a Cerberus?
This guy is trailing me everywhere I go and its quite annoying.
Id like to have a go at him, but Id like to hear your views on my chances.

Here is an impression of my setup:

HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium)
2x Medium named NOS
1x Small named NOS

MIDS: 10mn AB
Named Warp scrambler (can be swapped for this battle)
Named Webber (can be swapped for this battle)

LOWS: 1x Medium named Repper
1x Small named Repper
2x EANM
1x 800mm plate.

Drones: 5x hammerheads (can upgrade em to T2 in a day if needed)

Let me know!!

Oh and btw: Yarr.

EDIT: after checking out the potential weak spots of the Cerberus I intend to use 2 drone types:
For the destruction of hisshields - Infiltrators
After the shields go down - Valkeries.
IIRC these chip away at the weakest spots of the Cerberus defense.
If needed I can attempt to swap ammo to speed up the process.

Moved from Crime & Punishment - Devil ([email protected])

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Quote:

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10-15km? on a cerberus. lol you forgetting the range a cerberus gets. just a "ok" cerberus pilot can throw HAM a good 22-25km and can be more in hands of a well trianed pilot and if he has range missle rigs could be possiable to get upwarps of 30km.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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5xLight Neut 2 w/Void
MWD,Web,Scram
SARII,1600mm Tungsten, EANM,Exp Hardener, MFSII

ECM drones if you can use them ofc


Will it win? Who knows? It is cheap and fun? Yes, yes it is.

Wait.. when you said 12 days you were kidding right?

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Originally by: Jalec Creed

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Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 12:04:42
Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 11:56:05
So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread) I received a gang invite from some nameless noob which I naturally refused.
Now he¦s been trailing me ever since
Now im not the type to step aside for scum like carebears so I wanna make him eat my blaster fudge.

Now I am asking, can a Thorax tackle a Cerberus?
This guy is trailing me everywhere I go and its quite annoying.
Id like to have a go at him, but Id like to hear your views on my chances.

Here is an impression of my setup:

HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium)
2x Medium named NOS
1x Small named NOS

MIDS: 10mn AB
Named Warp scrambler (can be swapped for this battle)
Named Webber (can be swapped for this battle)

LOWS: 1x Medium named Repper
1x Small named Repper
2x EANM
1x 800mm plate.

Drones: 5x hammerheads (can upgrade em to T2 in a day if needed)

Let me know!!

Oh and btw: Yarr.

EDIT: after checking out the potential weak spots of the Cerberus I intend to use 2 drone types:
For the destruction of hisshields - Infiltrators
After the shields go down - Valkeries.
IIRC these chip away at the weakest spots of the Cerberus defense.
If needed I can attempt to swap ammo to speed up the process.

Moved from Crime & Punishment - Devil ([email protected])

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Originally by: Jalec Creed

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Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 22:04:09

Originally by: Deathbarrage

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dude, honestly, trying to kill a cerberus fitted for pvp in a thorax is just a stupid idea

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I understand my chances are below zero, but I feel the need to try.
His mining cruisers were so patheticaly fitted I can hardly believe he has a uber setup in his HAC.
Civilian shield boosters x2, miner IIs mixed with miner Is and absolutely nothing else (!) on a Osprey and hardly more on a Exequror makes me believe I have at least a chance to suprise him with a retaliation that i can uphold for a minute or 2 - perhaps more.
Like I said again: im not even worried about losing the ISK spent on a Thorax - I just feel the need to test my mettle vs a player who is older than a year compared to my 12 day old pirate.
If i manage to deplete his shields my point is made.
Some call it stupid, others might call it bold.
I myself see it as a test to see exactly what I might be capabale of when engaging a beast in the hands of a quasi-ok pilot.

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Originally by: Audri Fisher

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lots of chatter

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Originally by: Skyburn Fireblade

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Most Cerbs I've seen are packing an insane passive tank, but they are most vulnerable to EMP. NOS will not have an effect on a passive setup unless he has a single EM hardener, in which case you need A LOT of NOS to do you any good.

1. Don't worry about stealing his cap.
2. Do as much EM damage as possible.

With those points in mind, the wierd Autocannon setup is actually a very sound one. EMP ammo is simply devastating. Medium EMP drones will likewise take a sizeable chunk out of him. The fact that it also does significant Explosive damage will be nice one you reach his armor, which he will not likely be tanking with.

3. Take as little damage as possible.

The key against missiles is to move as fast as possible - the faster your ship, the larger velocity penalty his missiles will take. MWD is essential - get the best you can buy. A 1600mm plate doesn't reduce the damage you take, but adds a significant HP buffer. Inertia stabs are a good idea, too. The best MAR you can buy is a good bet, too. Damage control (again, best you can buy) so you can keep fighting even in structure (because you're in for the whole nine yards!) and a gryo to make up for the lack of projectile bonuses by adding dmg and RoF.

4. Don't let that bastard get away.
5. Try and buy yourself some time.

HAC owners will run when they sense big trouble - no one wants to lose a ship that costly! Scramble his ship. Once scrambled, jam his brains out. Racial jammer. Let him have it. If you can jam a cycle or two, you've just done wonders for your survivability and bought yourself some rep time. With the autocannons blazing, you'll be saving cap, so let 'er rip.

6. Insurance and clone.
7. A lot of luck.

Things don't always work out the way you hope.

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Originally by: James Adams

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To follow up on the Celestis idea...
Even with low skills (apart from Gallente Cruiser and Signal Suppression) I'd take on an eagle 9/10 times in this ship, seeing as ALOT of people don't fit FoF missiles, and if he's sporting HAMs it's a non-issue

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Originally by: boogaboob

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*Stuff*

He could... You get the point.

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Originally by: General Coochie

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MWDing around with celestis using 3 sensor dampners + disruptor = alot of cap.

Drones + 2 t2 hams = not very much dmg. 100dps maybe before resists?

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Originally by: Skyburn Fireblade

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The key against missiles is to move as fast as possible - the faster your ship, the larger velocity penalty his missiles will take. MWD is essential - get the best you can buy. A 1600mm plate doesn't reduce the damage you take, but adds a significant HP buffer. Inertia stabs are a good idea, too. The best MAR you can buy is a good bet, too. Damage control (again, best you can buy) so you can keep fighting even in structure (because you're in for the whole nine yards!) and a gryo to make up for the lack of projectile bonuses by adding dmg and RoF.

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Originally by: Sonreir

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I only read about half the posts in this thread before I got completely disgusted with the stupid replies.

Fact of the matter is this: Your character is less than two weeks old and you're up against a character in a 300 million ISK ship who has likely played for close to two years or more. You could show up in a Titan and still lose. ANY ship you bring to this fight is going to go down in flames because you just don't have the skills to fit a cruiser and even then, you're missing the real PVP experience to back up a decent fitting.

If you wanna beat this guy; bring friends. Lots of them.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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Originally by: Sonreir

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I only read about half the posts in this thread before I got completely disgusted with the stupid replies.

Fact of the matter is this: Your character is less than two weeks old and you're up against a character in a 300 million ISK ship who has likely played for close to two years or more. You could show up in a Titan and still lose. ANY ship you bring to this fight is going to go down in flames because you just don't have the skills to fit a cruiser and even then, you're missing the real PVP experience to back up a decent fitting.

If you wanna beat this guy; bring friends. Lots of them.

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I wouldn't be so sure. I have seen very strange setups on hacs. Some people really have no clue how EVE works. So far my rule always works: if in doubt assume other pilot is an idiot.

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Originally by: Christopher Dalran

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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 18/12/2006 22:51:32
Taking him on alone unless you can fly ANYTHING bigger is folly, however there IS a GREAT way to kill him just not like you would think.

*FIRST* Scan his ship, if he is following you around this will be VERY EASY and its not hostile so just scan him in empire. Figure out his top speed based on fittings and make sure you are faster.

1. Dump the thorax, yeah you probably like it but its going to get destroyed.

2. Buy a Celestus, make sure your Gal cruiser lvl is High (atleast 4) and make sure you have the skill that boosts sensor damper effectiveness (try to have atleast 3, 4 if possible) and put in what you need to be faster than the cerberus (t2 AB or maybee an MWD depending on what he has)

3. DONT even THINK about using blasters/rails, fit 2 heavy missile launchers and use EMP ammo(also take explosive to use on the armor). also take 4 of the BEST medium emp damage drones you can get (t2 is EASY! to get for light/med scout)

4. Logic would suggest getting as close as possible, this is FALSE. You want to be between 15-20km from him so you can damp him below that range but still be able to warp scramble him. YOU NEED TO BE FASTEST SO YOU CAN DICTATE RANGE!!!!!!. Add one sw-900 drone (25m3 but will web the target if your not quite fast enough) and exchange some of your medium emp drones for lights so that you can have 5 out (2 lights>1 medium)

So to sumarize
1. Use a clestus NOT a thorax
2. Dont use railguns, use heavy missiles and t2 medium drones(emp)
3. Sensor damp him with 2 t2 sensor dampers
4. Jam him and keep range at 15-20km
5. Sit back and relax as he ralizes he cant hit you, not even with FOF missiles while your emp missiles/drones tear him apart in shor order.
6. IF YOU ARENT THE FASTEST SHIP YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fitting requirements (left over spaces option based on results of ship can)
High - 2 Heavy missile launchers
Medium - 2 t2 dampers, ab/mwd (based on ship scan), 20km warp scrammer
Low - Whatever you want (ex, speed mods, damage mods, cap regen)

**NOTE** you can basically neglect your tank as if you start getting hit the game is over anyway

This is how i put a smack talking pirate in his place.

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Originally by: Ian Luxor

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How about FoF-Missiles on the Cerberus ? Very Dangerous as well for you..

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Originally by: Christopher Dalran

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Originally by: Ian Luxor

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How about FoF-Missiles on the Cerberus ? Very Dangerous as well for you..

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I keep saying this time and time again, FOF missile cannot target ANYTHING outside the sensor range of the ship its being launched from. If you damp a cerebus down to 3km range then FOF will only hit things within 3km to the cerberus.

In short if you damp a missile ship down to 3km you are COMPLETLY safe if you stay outside that range .

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Originally by: Jalec Creed

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Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 12:04:42
Edited by: Jalec Creed on 18/12/2006 11:56:05
So here is the deal: after receiving a simply idiotic threat the other day (see the Death Threats-thread) I received a gang invite from some nameless noob which I naturally refused.
Now he¦s been trailing me ever since
Now im not the type to step aside for scum like carebears so I wanna make him eat my blaster fudge.

Now I am asking, can a Thorax tackle a Cerberus?
This guy is trailing me everywhere I go and its quite annoying.
Id like to have a go at him, but Id like to hear your views on my chances.

Here is an impression of my setup:

HIGHS: 2x Anode particle Cannon w/ Antimatter charges(medium)
2x Medium named NOS
1x Small named NOS

MIDS: 10mn AB
Named Warp scrambler (can be swapped for this battle)
Named Webber (can be swapped for this battle)

LOWS: 1x Medium named Repper
1x Small named Repper
2x EANM
1x 800mm plate.

Drones: 5x hammerheads (can upgrade em to T2 in a day if needed)

Let me know!!

Oh and btw: Yarr.

EDIT: after checking out the potential weak spots of the Cerberus I intend to use 2 drone types:
For the destruction of hisshields - Infiltrators
After the shields go down - Valkeries.
IIRC these chip away at the weakest spots of the Cerberus defense.
If needed I can attempt to swap ammo to speed up the process.

Moved from Crime & Punishment - Devil ([email protected])

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