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BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:18:00 - [1] I'm a casual player - that is, I play maybe a few hours a night, not every day and I sometimes quit the game for months at a time. I'm not really a big earner, in fact I can safely say in all my Eve career I've probably earned about as much as I've lost. I earn it in small amounts and lose it big. It just so happens I'm relatively up at the moment (by a few bill). I can't honestly say I care that much about it either. I can take it or leave it and I do often - to play other games (like UT, FPS, stuff like that) or work or study or go out into the big wide world and make merry with my homies. So can somebody please tell me why it is when I'm traveling through 0.0 in a hauler and I get targeted, or when I get ganked by a camp I couldn't care less about or encounter some red flashing lights at gates, my heart races like it's going to explode out of my chest and my face turns red as a tomato? It's happened so many times I should be used to it by now. I'm thinking of getting some beta blockers from my doctor. It's a strange phenomenon that I would love to know more about. If anyone can express a theory as to why I don't get these symptoms from any other video game or come to think of it, any other circumstance apart from going out in Leeds on a Friday night, I would appreciate it
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:21:00 - [2] Its the thrill of the hunt. It happens no matter which side your on. PVP Corps get orgasmic over it.
Tribunal FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:24:00 - [3] Enjoy it while it last. After a lot of PvP experience that feeling will tend to start to fade away. "We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers
xHalcyonx Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:32:00 - [4] Edited by: xHalcyonx on 18/12/2006 22:31:46 Almost got ganked by a huricane today in a .9 (WarDec on AXE Alliance ). My heart was racing like you would not believe.
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:34:00 - [5] Still happens to me but that's because i'm a scaredy cat ;.; "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:35:00 - [6] a true thrill of the hunt moment in gaming for me is playing a Combat Engineer cloaker in Planetside. oh man nothing in EVE will ever surpass sneaking up on someone and dropping a boomer(remote control bomb) at their feet and hitting the switch.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:39:00 - [7] It's a reason a lot of people kieep playing
Drenad	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:40:00 - [8] know the feeling and loving it everytime I watch someone go boom :P
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.18 22:54:00 - [9] Cyclone v. Cyclone. Kill the enemy just as his friends, a Rook and a Ferox, warp in almost on top of you. No shields left. Nanophoon with 100m+ in faction kit suddenly gets webbed 10km from the nearest gate with a Nanodomi, Myrmidon, and Stabber bearing down on you. Sabre v. anything Pod. Implants. Enemy recon on scanner. Scan probes also on scanner. Gatecamps leading out. There. If you ever find yourself NOT having a heart attack during intense PvP, try one of the above situations. Oh, and I survived all of those, by the by. ;) ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Bastogne Caldari Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:05:00 - [10] OP-It's called adrenaline. Do some cardio and it won't be such a burden on your heart.
xHalcyonx Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker a true thrill of the hunt moment in gaming for me is playing a Combat Engineer cloaker in Planetside. oh man nothing in EVE will ever surpass sneaking up on someone and dropping a boomer(remote control bomb) at their feet and hitting the switch. Ahhh, you stealth ganker. Do it like a man...sensor shield, melee booster, DL. Sneak in turn on melee booster with TR chainblade. Commence stabbing! nice to meet ya, I'm. JasterAiglos - Markov TR BR25 / CR5 (5th fatest CR5 ever, 0 to 5 in only 36 days )
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:58:00 - [12] Markov NC ftw, i was also quite the Phoenix user. 40+ MAX kills once in a base to tower fight at that Dropship center on Amerish.
thoradh The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker a true thrill of the hunt moment in gaming for me is playing a Combat Engineer cloaker in Planetside. oh man nothing in EVE will ever surpass sneaking up on someone and dropping a boomer(remote control bomb) at their feet and hitting the switch. Darklight and that other implant that amplifies walking sounds, and you're in a lot of trubble > > Noli illegitimi carborundum! >
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Gariuys It's a reason a lot of people kieep playing qft Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:07:00 - [15] Become the hunter, rather than the hunted. Then you'll get addicted to it. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Serianant Gallente Genos Occidere Edge of Sanity	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:18:00 - [16] Move over *****, Eve is here.
Kaathar Rielspar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:20:00 - [17] its the one reason EvE is so great: tangible loss ____________________ Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Eximius Josari If BS Sized HACs would be overpowered, what are HACs? Overpriced Nos victims.
Beovvulf Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:20:00 - [18] I still get the shakes a lot after pvp. I think a lot of it is from the anticipation of the fight. Nothing else in life gets me so worked up.
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:23:00 - [19] Alcohol helps...to loose ur ship
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:37:00 - [20] The reason why is because death means a lot more in this game than compared to other games. Therefore when you get shot at, the penalty for dying isn't a few minute walk from the respawn point, but possibly losing several month's work. This threat of losing so much triggers the fight/flight response, hence why you get the shakes, much like the threat of getting bottled on a night out on the town in Leeds.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:38:00 - [21] i love the shakes 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Brother Tycho Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:55:00 - [22] lose a few t2 fitted BS in fleet battles in defence of a pos that gets blown up anyway,lose your home, dreads and acesses to 0.0 then try again.. kinda takes the thrill outa everything. I get my jollies helping newbs lately if you see someone running a quiz in one of the school channels it maybe my alt I usualy give a mill per correct question. its fun to see them so happy and for a older player a mill aint a big deal but for a week old newb getting to grips with his first kessy its like cristmas morning. (although ive been a bit busy lately the rig trade has taken all my time away). It's great being Amarr, aint it? --------------------------------
Jenessa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:56:00 - [23] Been playing the game for 3 years now. I still get a rush in this game that I just don't get in others. For me it depends on the situation if I get that adrenaline hit. If I'm in an op where someones getting ganked then it's fun for me, but it's not a rush, it's very clinical. But if I'm in a 1v1 or jump into a camp and find myself in the middle of an interdictor bubble (like I did an hour ago) then hell yeah my heart feels like it's gonna jump outta my chest. What a rush!
Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:57:00 - [24] Been playing a year to the week, I still crap myself. Roaming in 0.0, I crap myself. Roaming in low-sec I'm tame with. Roaming in my expensive BS with other expensive periphials, I crap myself. Generally, I play on a toilet. I hope to never lose it really, and in the coming months, wach the video forums. I'm planning to stain my boxers and, gasp, get some old style hunting in. :D EVE Ftmfw tbh Izo Azlion. --- Cortes owned my Sig. :/
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:58:00 - [25] get hooked on it, trust me, it'll make you see EVE in a whole new light...
Lucky Fonz	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:59:00 - [26] Its strange, I know a lot of people who get it but it has never effected me once. I go for a cig after a long fleet battle but thats mostly because I'm too busy EffoneEffTwo'ing to light one up before hand
Brother Tycho Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Brother Tycho on 19/12/2006 01:07:59 Originally by: Izo Azlion Been playing a year to the week, I still crap myself. Roaming in 0.0, I crap myself. Roaming in low-sec I'm tame with. Roaming in my expensive BS with other expensive periphials, I crap myself. Generally, I play on a toilet. I hope to never lose it really, and in the coming months, wach the video forums. I'm planning to stain my boxers and, gasp, get some old style hunting in. :D EVE Ftmfw tbh Jumped into a Veto camp the other day i was like oh well time to put the kettle on (enjoy the mods lol wouldent pay the ransom on my pod caus i was in a jump clone nothing personal) P.S i may have payed something to keep the ship t2 fitted raven but you never gave me the chance :( It's great being Amarr, aint it? --------------------------------
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:09:00 - [28] Edited by: MysticNZ on 19/12/2006 01:09:23 Can I have your stuff? oh wait... -=====-
Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Brother Tycho Edited by: Brother Tycho on 19/12/2006 01:07:59 Originally by: Izo Azlion Been playing a year to the week, I still crap myself. Roaming in 0.0, I crap myself. Roaming in low-sec I'm tame with. Roaming in my expensive BS with other expensive periphials, I crap myself. Generally, I play on a toilet. I hope to never lose it really, and in the coming months, wach the video forums. I'm planning to stain my boxers and, gasp, get some old style hunting in. :D EVE Ftmfw tbh Jumped into a Veto camp the other day i was like oh well time to put the kettle on (enjoy the mods lol wouldent pay the ransom on my pod caus i was in a jump clone nothing personal) P.S i may have payed something to keep the ship t2 fitted raven but you never gave me the chance :( We dont really pirate these days, not when we're Contracted anyway. We're in the Mercenary business now, so when we're in 0.0, we just tend to nuke what we can. Depending on the number of us, and whether or not we're contracted, we may ransom. I used to enjoy ransoming tbh... I need to get some more done, soon as we're not being paid. Lol <3 Izo Azlion. --- Cortes owned my Sig. :/
Brother Tycho Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:18:00 - [30] Edited by: Brother Tycho on 19/12/2006 01:23:13 Originally by: Izo Azlion Originally by: Brother Tycho Edited by: Brother Tycho on 19/12/2006 01:07:59 Originally by: Izo Azlion Been playing a year to the week, I still crap myself. Roaming in 0.0, I crap myself. Roaming in low-sec I'm tame with. Roaming in my expensive BS with other expensive periphials, I crap myself. Generally, I play on a toilet. I hope to never lose it really, and in the coming months, wach the video forums. I'm planning to stain my boxers and, gasp, get some old style hunting in. :D EVE Ftmfw tbh Jumped into a Veto camp the other day i was like oh well time to put the kettle on (enjoy the mods lol wouldent pay the ransom on my pod caus i was in a jump clone nothing personal) P.S i may have payed something to keep the ship t2 fitted raven but you never gave me the chance :( We dont really pirate these days, not when we're Contracted anyway. We're in the Mercenary business now, so when we're in 0.0, we just tend to nuke what we can. Depending on the number of us, and whether or not we're contracted, we may ransom. I used to enjoy ransoming tbh... I need to get some more done, soon as we're not being paid. Lol <3 I probably mistaken your camp for pirate activity when you were infact on contract so letting me keep the ship woulda been naughty as i coulda carried on down the pipe looking for RA haulers and a little compensation lol, not that RA hired you ofc it was just near there station in N7. It's great being Amarr, aint it? --------------------------------
Shi'ara Na'suhl Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Marine HK4861 The reason why is because death means a lot more in this game than compared to other games. Therefore when you get shot at, the penalty for dying isn't a few minute walk from the respawn point, but possibly losing several month's work. This threat of losing so much triggers the fight/flight response, hence why you get the shakes, much like the threat of getting bottled on a night out on the town in Leeds. Like this fine gent. said; you run the risk of losing what is valuable to you.
Quan Ko	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:46:00 - [32] Originally by: BurnHard I'm a casual player - that is, I play maybe a few hours a night, not every day and I sometimes quit the game for months at a time. I'm not really a big earner, in fact I can safely say in all my Eve career I've probably earned about as much as I've lost. I earn it in small amounts and lose it big. It just so happens I'm relatively up at the moment (by a few bill). I can't honestly say I care that much about it either. I can take it or leave it and I do often - to play other games (like UT, FPS, stuff like that) or work or study or go out into the big wide world and make merry with my homies. So can somebody please tell me why it is when I'm traveling through 0.0 in a hauler and I get targeted, or when I get ganked by a camp I couldn't care less about or encounter some red flashing lights at gates, my heart races like it's going to explode out of my chest and my face turns red as a tomato? It's happened so many times I should be used to it by now. I'm thinking of getting some beta blockers from my doctor. It's a strange phenomenon that I would love to know more about. If anyone can express a theory as to why I don't get these symptoms from any other video game or come to think of it, any other circumstance apart from going out in Leeds on a Friday night, I would appreciate it You are experiencing an adrenaline rush triggered by the fight-or-flight response. "Normally, when a person is in a serene, unstimulated state, the "firing" of neurons in the locus ceruleus is minimal. A novel stimulus (which could include a perception of danger or an environmental stressor signal such as elevated sound levels or over-illumination), once perceived, is relayed from the sensory cortex of the brain through the thalamus to the brain stem. That route of signaling increases the rate of noradrenergic activity in the locus ceruleus, and the person becomes alert and attentive to the environment. Similarly, an abundance of catecholamines at neuroreceptor sites facilitates reliance on spontaneous or intuitive behaviors often related to combat or escape. If a stimulus is perceived as a threat, a more intense and prolonged discharge of the locus ceruleus activates the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system (Thase & Howland, 1995). This activation is associated with specific physiological actions in the system, both directly and indirectly through the release of epinephrine (adrenaline) and to a lesser extent norepinephrine from the medulla of the adrenal glands. The release is triggered by acetylcholine released from preganglionic sympathetic nerves. The other major player in the acute stress response is the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis." More on it here: Linkage .
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:58:00 - [33] In fairness I'm hoping the feeling will continue to dull some since it's really hard to control your ship when you're shaking uncontrollably.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.19 21:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Quan Ko You are experiencing an adrenaline rush triggered by the fight-or-flight response. "Normally, when a person is in a serene, unstimulated state, the "firing" of neurons in the locus ceruleus is minimal. A novel stimulus (which could include a perception of danger or an environmental stressor signal such as elevated sound levels or over-illumination), once perceived, is relayed from the sensory cortex of the brain through the thalamus to the brain stem. That route of signaling increases the rate of noradrenergic activity in the locus ceruleus, and the person becomes alert and attentive to the environment. Similarly, an abundance of catecholamines at neuroreceptor sites facilitates reliance on spontaneous or intuitive behaviors often related to combat or escape. If a stimulus is perceived as a threat, a more intense and prolonged discharge of the locus ceruleus activates the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system (Thase & Howland, 1995). This activation is associated with specific physiological actions in the system, both directly and indirectly through the release of epinephrine (adrenaline) and to a lesser extent norepinephrine from the medulla of the adrenal glands. The release is triggered by acetylcholine released from preganglionic sympathetic nerves. The other major player in the acute stress response is the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis." More on it here: Linkage . Ah yes - it's my "old brain", not the new kit (cortex) causing the trouble. It just goes to show how much we are under the control of our instincts. It must mean I have suspended my disbelief while playing. It's odd though, because I don't get that feeling when I play UT 2004.
Azural Kane Caldari Ravensmurgh Industries	Posted - 2006.12.19 22:16:00 - [35] Love the adrenaline rush. I've gotten it from many games, especially in PVP where you have something to "lose".
Azural Kane Caldari Ravensmurgh Industries	Posted - 2006.12.19 22:17:00 - [36] Edited by: Azural Kane on 19/12/2006 22:23:30 Originally by: BurnHard Originally by: Quan Ko You are experiencing an adrenaline rush triggered by the fight-or-flight response. "Normally, when a person is in a serene, unstimulated state, the "firing" of neurons in the locus ceruleus is minimal. A novel stimulus (which could include a perception of danger or an environmental stressor signal such as elevated sound levels or over-illumination), once perceived, is relayed from the sensory cortex of the brain through the thalamus to the brain stem. That route of signaling increases the rate of noradrenergic activity in the locus ceruleus, and the person becomes alert and attentive to the environment. Similarly, an abundance of catecholamines at neuroreceptor sites facilitates reliance on spontaneous or intuitive behaviors often related to combat or escape. If a stimulus is perceived as a threat, a more intense and prolonged discharge of the locus ceruleus activates the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system (Thase & Howland, 1995). This activation is associated with specific physiological actions in the system, both directly and indirectly through the release of epinephrine (adrenaline) and to a lesser extent norepinephrine from the medulla of the adrenal glands. The release is triggered by acetylcholine released from preganglionic sympathetic nerves. The other major player in the acute stress response is the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis." More on it here: Linkage . Ah yes - it's my "old brain", not the new kit (cortex) causing the trouble. It just goes to show how much we are under the control of our instincts. It must mean I have suspended my disbelief while playing. It's odd though, because I don't get that feeling when I play UT 2004. In UT2004 you have nothing to lose. You respawn in 5 seconds, pick up a gun, and you're off. Used to happen to me a lot in UO PVP, and in other MMO's. But Eve probably tops the list, because, well, you can easily lose days, weeks, or potentially even months worth of progress.
Mallikanth Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.19 22:25:00 - [37] Originally by: BurnHard snip... my heart races like it's going to explode out of my chest and my face turns red as a tomato? It's happened so many times I should be used to it by now. snip I get the same thing. It's the ONLY game I've EVER played that does that to me. The Main reason by Far I love this game. The difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.19 22:35:00 - [38] When me and some mates were learning pvp for the first time we would have to take breaks after each engagement just to let the shakes fade away. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:16:00 - [39] If you don't pvp for a while and you start again like I did, you will get the shakes. Although not as violent, I basically just had twitching fingers and trouble moving my mouse to lock the pod -
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:19:00 - [40] i probed an abandoned punisher, then used it as it 1v1 against another punisher as is, and the heart still got going. there more to it then a tangible loss. Its why im still playing eve going on 2 years. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.19 23:36:00 - [41] True its not just the tangible loss... its hard to tell what it is tbh. Truth is you the shakes dont even really depend on how much the ship is expensive - more about how much you are scared - as in, not being in control. Basically I think the shakes show up when for any reason you feel you are not "safe" or on "in control" anymore, even if you dont really care about the loss. - Gob

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