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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:14:13 -
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and raise faction spawn again.
belt ratting isnt fun (basically) without faction spawns but was a chill thing to do occassionally.
please. |

Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1904
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:17:44 -
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What's gone from belt ratting? Chaining still works and with some work even quite rewarding.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1056
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:19:29 -
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faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate).
pre-nerf you could get 2-3 faction spawns a day if ratted hard, nowadays you can rat for 4-6 weeks straight without a single faction spawn... |

Leto Aramaus
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:27:04 -
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I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself...
*sigh* ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it )
The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit)
The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare.
If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before.
There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words...
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Trobax
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:29:33 -
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Yeah sure, more faction spawns with no loot, that settles it |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1056
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:35:41 -
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Leto Aramaus wrote:I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself...
*sigh* ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it )
The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit)
The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare.
If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before.
There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words...
it was fine before the nerf. |

Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
457
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:48:37 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate).
Just you who is unlucky... |

Thron Legacy
White Zulu Scorpion Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:50:21 -
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"CCPlease buff nullsec ratting so I can krab in my carrier and earn twice as much in half the time"
Thats the exact opposite of what we need |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1056
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:54:13 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate).
Just you who is unlucky...
m mmhkay if you say so
Thron Legacy wrote:"CCPlease buff nullsec ratting so I can krab in my carrier and earn twice as much in half the time"
Thats the exact opposite of what we need
in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue |

Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
486
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:08:48 -
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I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1057
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:22:36 -
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Kenrailae wrote:I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers.
belt ratting is dead, people ratted a bit in belts even after anomalies buff but not that much, after removal of faction spawns noone is left doing it anymore. |

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:39:48 -
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I don't know what you're talking about with belt ratting being dead. I belt rat in losec all the time. I get the occasional BS or Clone spawn that boosts my sec but mainly I do it for the occasional fight with another player I get.
Also, wanting to increase the occurrence of an activity in EvE by increasing the rate of rare spawns never works. Soon after the change, more people start doing it which means the market floods and prices drop. Soon, it's not as profitable to do anymore and people stop doing it.
If you want to bring back belt ratting, you need to make it fun, not profitable. I do it for fun.
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Thron Legacy
White Zulu Scorpion Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:52:35 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue
after they get buffed peeps will rat in belts instead |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1057
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Posted - 2015.09.16 20:06:54 -
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Thron Legacy wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue after they get buffed peeps will rat in belts instead
so? whats bad about that? Making beltratting viable again is exactly the point of this thread (see thread title). |

Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:30:45 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Kenrailae wrote:I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers. belt ratting is dead, people ratted a bit in belts even after anomalies buff but not that much, after removal of faction spawns noone is left doing it anymore. Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1057
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:51:02 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote: Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog.
no its not required |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3820
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Posted - 2015.09.16 22:59:07 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog.
no its not required
Yes, it is.
Look at the prices of guristas faction and deadspace mods and tell me we need more spawns. |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.09.16 23:07:19 -
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Danika Princip wrote: Yes, it is.
Look at the prices of guristas faction and deadspace mods and tell me we need more spawns.
1) how is "citation of faction spawn rate nerf" related to guristas prices? (deadspace stuff doesnt drop from belt rats)
2) factrion gurista prices cant be an argument since the whole north is just overfarmed by goons (you) and CFC. Other places in eve are not so..,
3) cheap faction stuff is good for pvp, so kinda compensating less profit for bears. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3820
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Posted - 2015.09.16 23:13:48 -
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You are making a claim about a nerf to faction spawn rates. he is asking you to provide some kind of evidence to back it up. Do so, or it's going to be pretty obvious you're making it up.
Increasing spawn rates means decreasing prices for the stuff they drop, so it's extremely relevant.
Please explain how a price decrease because of the amount of farming going on is not related to a suggestion that will lead to a price decrease due to the amount of farming going on.
Nuking the price of faction gear into the ground removes the incentive to hunt it in the first place, which is rather counter-productive, don't you think? |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1058
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Posted - 2015.09.16 23:20:08 -
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I cant simply because CCP never put it into patch notes, I think - but whoever did belt ratting a lot noticed the very steep drop of spawns and knows very well what I'm talking about, so does CCP, the rest is irrelevant - I dont need nor want to prove it for anyone else since this thread is directed at CCP in the first line. |

Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
608
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Posted - 2015.09.16 23:29:53 -
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Robert Caldera wrote: 2) factrion gurista prices cant be an argument since the whole north is just overfarmed by goons (you) and CFC. Other places in eve are not so..,
Um...what New Eden are you living in? The North is not the only place that is over farmed.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:42:27 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog.
no its not required Yes, it is. Otherwise, you have zero rational argument behind this "CCP givz me moar iskies now!!!!11one1" rant thread, and it will be reported as such.
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
283
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Posted - 2015.09.17 04:39:41 -
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I noticed a very sharp increase in faction spawns. CCP never put it into patch notes.
Dunno what you're talking about. |

Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
127
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Posted - 2015.09.17 05:35:26 -
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I haven't heard of any nerf to belt ratting. There is just an order to it and it takes time.
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Azazel The Misanthrope
Proioxis Assault Force Exodus.
60
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Posted - 2015.09.17 06:38:43 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:I cant simply because CCP never put it into patch notes, I think - but whoever did belt ratting a lot noticed the very steep drop of spawns and knows very well what I'm talking about, so does CCP, the rest is irrelevant - I dont need nor want to prove it for anyone else since this thread is directed at CCP in the first line.
for the possible price drop, like I said it compensates. The one mans loss is the other mans gain, less profit for bears, better cheaper gear for pvpers...
You are not thinking about this from a global perspective, but that is ok. It is the point of the forum. Speak your mind, and people are bound to demand citations and throw enough reference material in your face to make you never want to post again. |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1059
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Posted - 2015.09.17 08:15:56 -
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people post because they want to post, thats fine. I'm not trying to convince morons who just want to spam or people asking for evidence mereley because they can, I dont need their approval or their vote. This thread is directed at CCP who ruined one of chil things in their game, its up to them to return content or not, if they want people to log in and play, which there is iteratively less and less motivation to do that,... vOv |

Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2015.09.17 08:43:33 -
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Back when I first started playing this game, belt ratting was quite a lucrative form of isk making (even better than running lev 4s). But now, not so much. I donna what happen, did CCP actually nerfed the faction loot drops from the rats in belts? Maybe it's just certain areas gets more faction drops than other areas on a random basis. |

Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1907
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Posted - 2015.09.17 08:47:19 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Back when I first started playing this game, belt ratting was quite a lucrative form of isk making (even better than running lev 4s). But now, not so much. I donna what happen, did CCP actually nerfed the faction loot drops from the rats in belts? Maybe it's just certain areas gets more faction drops than other areas on a random basis. I guess its the reduced spawn-rate of faction spawns there with increased supply regardless from other sources and thus significant drop in prices. That happens when you get more people in the game. ^^
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1059
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Posted - 2015.09.17 08:51:45 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:did CCP actually nerfed the faction loot drops from the rats in belts?
1) they introduced anomalies which were more lucrative and easy to farm, which almost completely invalidated belt ratting 2) few years later they quietly virtually removed any spawn chance for faction rats and so ruined belt ratting for the few people left even more |

Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
903
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Posted - 2015.09.17 09:32:20 -
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They removed chainspawning, thats what killed belt ratting. Belt ratting for faction spawns never was a thing. The price for officer modules has been fairly stable for the last years so the spawnrate didnt change there aswell.
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