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Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1056	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:14:13 - [1] - Quote and raise faction spawn again. belt ratting isnt fun (basically) without faction spawns but was a chill thing to do occassionally. please.
Rivr Luzade Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi 1904	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:17:44 - [2] - Quote What's gone from belt ratting? Chaining still works and with some work even quite rewarding. Station Tab :: UI Improvement Collective
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1056	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:19:29 - [3] - Quote faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate). pre-nerf you could get 2-3 faction spawns a day if ratted hard, nowadays you can rat for 4-6 weeks straight without a single faction spawn...
Leto Aramaus Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop 235	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:27:04 - [4] - Quote I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself... sigh ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it ) The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit) The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare. If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before. There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words... The UI update we deserve
Trobax Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:29:33 - [5] - Quote Yeah sure, more faction spawns with no loot, that settles it
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1056	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:35:41 - [6] - Quote Leto Aramaus wrote: I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself... sigh ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it ) The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit) The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare. If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before. There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words... it was fine before the nerf.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 457	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:48:37 - [7] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate). Just you who is unlucky...
Thron Legacy White Zulu Scorpion Federation 13	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:50:21 - [8] - Quote "CCPlease buff nullsec ratting so I can krab in my carrier and earn twice as much in half the time" Thats the exact opposite of what we need
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1056	Posted - 2015.09.16 18:54:13 - [9] - Quote Celthric Kanerian wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate). Just you who is unlucky... m mmhkay if you say so Thron Legacy wrote: "CCPlease buff nullsec ratting so I can krab in my carrier and earn twice as much in half the time" Thats the exact opposite of what we need in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 486	Posted - 2015.09.16 19:08:48 - [10] - Quote I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers. The Law is a point of View
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1057	Posted - 2015.09.16 19:22:36 - [11] - Quote Kenrailae wrote: I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers. belt ratting is dead, people ratted a bit in belts even after anomalies buff but not that much, after removal of faction spawns noone is left doing it anymore.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2528	Posted - 2015.09.16 19:39:48 - [12] - Quote I don't know what you're talking about with belt ratting being dead. I belt rat in losec all the time. I get the occasional BS or Clone spawn that boosts my sec but mainly I do it for the occasional fight with another player I get. Also, wanting to increase the occurrence of an activity in EvE by increasing the rate of rare spawns never works. Soon after the change, more people start doing it which means the market floods and prices drop. Soon, it's not as profitable to do anymore and people stop doing it. If you want to bring back belt ratting, you need to make it fun, not profitable. I do it for fun. Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures A brief history of C&P Thunderdome
Thron Legacy White Zulu Scorpion Federation 13	Posted - 2015.09.16 19:52:35 - [13] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue after they get buffed peeps will rat in belts instead
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1057	Posted - 2015.09.16 20:06:54 - [14] - Quote Thron Legacy wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue after they get buffed peeps will rat in belts instead so? whats bad about that? Making beltratting viable again is exactly the point of this thread (see thread title).
Iain Cariaba 1790	Posted - 2015.09.16 21:30:45 - [15] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: Kenrailae wrote: I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers. belt ratting is dead, people ratted a bit in belts even after anomalies buff but not that much, after removal of faction spawns noone is left doing it anymore. Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Will troll for a t-shirt.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1057	Posted - 2015.09.16 21:51:02 - [16] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog. no its not required
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3820	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:59:07 - [17] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog. no its not required Yes, it is. Look at the prices of guristas faction and deadspace mods and tell me we need more spawns.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1058	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:07:19 - [18] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Yes, it is. Look at the prices of guristas faction and deadspace mods and tell me we need more spawns. 1) how is "citation of faction spawn rate nerf" related to guristas prices? (deadspace stuff doesnt drop from belt rats) 2) factrion gurista prices cant be an argument since the whole north is just overfarmed by goons (you) and CFC. Other places in eve are not so.., 3) cheap faction stuff is good for pvp, so kinda compensating less profit for bears.
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3820	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:13:48 - [19] - Quote You are making a claim about a nerf to faction spawn rates. he is asking you to provide some kind of evidence to back it up. Do so, or it's going to be pretty obvious you're making it up. Increasing spawn rates means decreasing prices for the stuff they drop, so it's extremely relevant. Please explain how a price decrease because of the amount of farming going on is not related to a suggestion that will lead to a price decrease due to the amount of farming going on. Nuking the price of faction gear into the ground removes the incentive to hunt it in the first place, which is rather counter-productive, don't you think?
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1058	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:20:08 - [20] - Quote I cant simply because CCP never put it into patch notes, I think - but whoever did belt ratting a lot noticed the very steep drop of spawns and knows very well what I'm talking about, so does CCP, the rest is irrelevant - I dont need nor want to prove it for anyone else since this thread is directed at CCP in the first line.
Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 608	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:29:53 - [21] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: 2) factrion gurista prices cant be an argument since the whole north is just overfarmed by goons (you) and CFC. Other places in eve are not so.., Um...what New Eden are you living in? The North is not the only place that is over farmed. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Iain Cariaba 1793	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:42:27 - [22] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog. no its not required Yes, it is. Otherwise, you have zero rational argument behind this "CCP givz me moar iskies now!!!!11one1" rant thread, and it will be reported as such. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Will troll for a t-shirt.
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 283	Posted - 2015.09.17 04:39:41 - [23] - Quote I noticed a very sharp increase in faction spawns. CCP never put it into patch notes. Dunno what you're talking about.
Amarisen Gream Divine Demise Apocalypse Now. 127	Posted - 2015.09.17 05:35:26 - [24] - Quote I haven't heard of any nerf to belt ratting. There is just an order to it and it takes time. xoxo Amarisen Gream
Azazel The Misanthrope Proioxis Assault Force Exodus. 60	Posted - 2015.09.17 06:38:43 - [25] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: I cant simply because CCP never put it into patch notes, I think - but whoever did belt ratting a lot noticed the very steep drop of spawns and knows very well what I'm talking about, so does CCP, the rest is irrelevant - I dont need nor want to prove it for anyone else since this thread is directed at CCP in the first line. for the possible price drop, like I said it compensates. The one mans loss is the other mans gain, less profit for bears, better cheaper gear for pvpers... You are not thinking about this from a global perspective, but that is ok. It is the point of the forum. Speak your mind, and people are bound to demand citations and throw enough reference material in your face to make you never want to post again.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1059	Posted - 2015.09.17 08:15:56 - [26] - Quote people post because they want to post, thats fine. I'm not trying to convince morons who just want to spam or people asking for evidence mereley because they can, I dont need their approval or their vote. This thread is directed at CCP who ruined one of chil things in their game, its up to them to return content or not, if they want people to log in and play, which there is iteratively less and less motivation to do that,... vOv
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2015.09.17 08:43:33 - [27] - Quote Back when I first started playing this game, belt ratting was quite a lucrative form of isk making (even better than running lev 4s). But now, not so much. I donna what happen, did CCP actually nerfed the faction loot drops from the rats in belts? Maybe it's just certain areas gets more faction drops than other areas on a random basis.
Rivr Luzade Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi 1907	Posted - 2015.09.17 08:47:19 - [28] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Back when I first started playing this game, belt ratting was quite a lucrative form of isk making (even better than running lev 4s). But now, not so much. I donna what happen, did CCP actually nerfed the faction loot drops from the rats in belts? Maybe it's just certain areas gets more faction drops than other areas on a random basis. I guess its the reduced spawn-rate of faction spawns there with increased supply regardless from other sources and thus significant drop in prices. That happens when you get more people in the game. ^^ Station Tab :: UI Improvement Collective
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1059	Posted - 2015.09.17 08:51:45 - [29] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: did CCP actually nerfed the faction loot drops from the rats in belts? 1) they introduced anomalies which were more lucrative and easy to farm, which almost completely invalidated belt ratting 2) few years later they quietly virtually removed any spawn chance for faction rats and so ruined belt ratting for the few people left even more
Baali Tekitsu AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 903	Posted - 2015.09.17 09:32:20 - [30] - Quote They removed chainspawning, thats what killed belt ratting. Belt ratting for faction spawns never was a thing. The price for officer modules has been fairly stable for the last years so the spawnrate didnt change there aswell. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1059	Posted - 2015.09.17 09:44:05 - [31] - Quote Baali Tekitsu wrote: They removed chainspawning, thats what killed belt ratting. this was a while later I believe but nonetheless another unneeded nerf of already dead belt ratting, cant understand why they keep kicking when one is already laying on the floor and even stopped breathing already. Baali Tekitsu wrote: Belt ratting for faction spawns never was a thing. for me it was part of the fun. I never did belt ratting for ISK, otherwise I'd be farming anomalies. I did it because it was a chill activity + you had a faction spawn from times to times which was nice. Baali Tekitsu wrote: The price for officer modules has been fairly stable for the last years so the spawnrate didnt change there aswell. officer spawn rate wasnt topic of this thread at all, completely different thing
Anthar Thebess 1305	Posted - 2015.09.17 09:58:24 - [32] - Quote Adding more faction spawns , will just decrease value of the stuff they drop, so after some buff, every thing will go back to the starting point. I think that there was no real nerf to faction spawn rate, simply buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites. The biggest nerf to belt ratting came when reprocessing was changed. When years ago i was belt ratting split bounty vs loot was around 40 to 60% , so if CCP halved the refining of the lot hard , belt ratting got significant hit to income. There is no simple solution to this, as to many things changed. Belt ratting is now the less profitable thing you can do in nullsec ( if you exclude the mining ) Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1059	Posted - 2015.09.17 10:05:50 - [33] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Adding more faction spawns , will just decrease value of the stuff they drop, so after some buff, every thing will go back to the starting point. I'd be fine with that, drop in value. ok. More good gear cheaper for pvp, thats the compensation. Anthar Thebess wrote: I think that there was no real nerf to faction spawn rate there was, who did belt ratting knows this (ofc not many people since everyone moved to anomaly farming years earlier). Anthar Thebess wrote: , simply buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites. how is this relevant for this thread, which is purely about faction rat spawn rate in belts?! Anthar Thebess wrote: Belt ratting is now the less profitable thing you can do in nullsec ( if you exclude the mining ) yes, like I wrote before, noone does it for ISK anyways, I've done it for fun which was for some part finding a faction spawn, opening a Kinder Egg, you know this sort of a thing.
Anthar Thebess 1305	Posted - 2015.09.17 10:14:41 - [34] - Quote buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites. Quite simple. When i got to nullsec and started to farm belts , faction spawn was the possibility to get the most valuable stuff BPC for a ship. Now , because to the buff of escalation rate , BPC prices dropped drastically. For example , BPC for nightmare was over 700mil then, now like 350mil . In some cases price drop is even more significant - rattle snake cost now around 160mil. If you look at the faction stuff prices from the PVP perspective , then yes - lower price is better, but when you look at the price from the NPC null sov residents, then this changes a lot. People living in NPC space don't have sov anoms, and most of the isk come from this faction stuff. Balance between NPC null and Sov space was lost long ago , and because of this big pirate groups harassing sov space in many places also died , or are trying to get some sov space instead of being the best content provider for all sov alliances around. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1061	Posted - 2015.09.17 10:18:31 - [35] - Quote wtf has all this to do with my belt ratting issue?? yes, prices might fall a bit, whatever, im fine with it because some other part of the game gets a buff maybe: - cheap faction gear for pvp - little more people in belts to kill yes, escalations were buffed, drop rates in plexes have been buffed, a separate issue. All I want is to see some more faction rats in belts, which wouldnt have much of impact anyways because hardly anyone is left for belt ratting nowadays.
Suitonia True Solo 636	Posted - 2015.09.17 10:20:52 - [36] - Quote Also Burner Missions allows people who farm them with several pullers to bring in excessive amounts of Pirate Store LP which reduced the value of most BPCs and module drops. The Spawn rate of Faction Spawns has not changed. CCP removed chain-spawning, as well as belts resetting after DT. (Hunting belts after DT used to be the best way to find rare spawns). which nerfed belt ratting as a stable income, escalation changes and burner missions nerfed belt clearing for faction spawns. I think adding in some nullsec only NPCs (Like Clone Soldiers, or Mordus rats) but for another faction/purpose with exclusive ship BPCs, or another kind of mechanic would probably be the best way to get people to care about belt ratting again. Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
Suitonia True Solo 636	Posted - 2015.09.17 10:22:06 - [37] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: wtf has all this to do with my belt ratting issue?? yes, prices might fall a bit, whatever, im fine with it because some other part of the game gets a buff maybe (cheap faction gear for pvp). yes, escalations were buffed, drop rates in plexes have been buffed, a separate issue. All I want is to see some more faction rats in belts, which wouldnt have much of impact anyways because hardly anyone is left for belt ratting nowadays. The Escalations are relevant because more faction spawns in them dropping faction loot, means the loot you get from faction spawns in belts has lower demand, and thus lower prices due to higher supply. Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1061	Posted - 2015.09.17 10:23:43 - [38] - Quote Suitonia wrote: The Spawn rate of Faction Spawns has not changed. it has. years ago I was belt ratting a lot, I've found 1-2 faction spawns a day usually on regular basis. then months later, suddenly, you would rat for weeks and not find a single one, for 2 months, then I quit doing that. You might say it was just bad luck, going from 200 to 5 but I dont think so, also had other people who confirmed the same. Suitonia wrote: The Escalations are relevant because more faction spawns in them dropping faction loot, means the loot you get from faction spawns in belts has lower demand, and thus lower prices due to higher supply. I dont care about the prices, this thread is not about the prices
ImYourMom Republic University Minmatar Republic 73	Posted - 2015.09.17 10:29:22 - [39] - Quote Leto Aramaus wrote: I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself... sigh ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it ) The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit) The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare. If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before. There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words... The issue is and i have to agree with OP is that faction and officer loots drops have almost disappeared!
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 284	Posted - 2015.09.17 11:32:28 - [40] - Quote Trobax wrote: Yeah sure, more faction spawns with no loot, that settles it This seems like the best solution.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 113	Posted - 2015.09.17 12:00:50 - [41] - Quote ImYourMom wrote: Leto Aramaus wrote: I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself... sigh ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it ) The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit) The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare. If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before. There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words... The issue is and i have to agree with OP is that faction and officer loots drops have almost disappeared! I see. And I was just thinking of doing some belt ratting in 0.0 in my Ishtar and Deimos. This thread has save me a lot of wasted time waiting for a faction/officer loot drop. I hope CCP didn't intentionally remove the faction spawns on the belt rats on purpose, that was kinda fun back in 2012.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1066	Posted - 2015.09.24 22:34:48 - [42] - Quote CCPs changed security status gain from rats is even less reason for belt ratting. No more accumulated SS gain over multiple systems. Just realized how dull eve has got, docked and logged.. gn8 all
BIGDOG4 Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2015.12.13 10:16:33 - [43] - Quote CCP Never puts things ppl wouldn't like to be changed in the patch noticed it's like a company policy they just hope that playerbase wouldn't notice it ! Belt ratting got nerfed now faction spawns don't appear unless you actually sit there cleaning the belts for hours.So warping thru belts checking every system is not a viable tactic anymore. Instead you have a better chance to get one running a heaven than actually sitting in belts.That said they also broke the agro again so the rats keep going for your drones. As far as i'm concerned the faction spawns should have random chance to appear even if nobody is ratting in the belts over extended period of time and why not ? Every other resource in the game respawns.
BIGDOG4 Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2015.12.13 10:23:40 - [44] - Quote ]I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop I see. And I was just thinking of doing some belt ratting in 0.0 in my Ishtar and Deimos. This thread has save me a lot of wasted time waiting for a faction/officer loot drop. I hope CCP didn't intentionally remove the faction spawns on the belt rats on purpose, that was kinda fun back in 2012. [/quote] They changed something at the end of last month and it wasn't in the patch notes either !
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 549	Posted - 2015.12.13 13:58:55 - [45] - Quote I can get a faction belt spawn almost everytime I want, by doing one very simple thing, that no one else does for some reason.
BIGDOG4 Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2015.12.13 15:05:21 - [46] - Quote Celthric Kanerian wrote: I can get a faction belt spawn almost everytime I want, by doing one very simple thing, that no one else does for some reason. Do call me when you mange to shoot 20 officer spawns in 1 year of EVE

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