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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.09.17 09:44:05 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:They removed chainspawning, thats what killed belt ratting.
this was a while later I believe but nonetheless another unneeded nerf of already dead belt ratting,
cant understand why they keep kicking when one is already laying on the floor and even stopped breathing already.
Baali Tekitsu wrote: Belt ratting for faction spawns never was a thing.
for me it was part of the fun. I never did belt ratting for ISK, otherwise I'd be farming anomalies.
I did it because it was a chill activity + you had a faction spawn from times to times which was nice.
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
The price for officer modules has been fairly stable for the last years so the spawnrate didnt change there aswell.
officer spawn rate wasnt topic of this thread at all, completely different thing |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.09.17 09:58:24 -
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Adding more faction spawns , will just decrease value of the stuff they drop, so after some buff, every thing will go back to the starting point.
I think that there was no real nerf to faction spawn rate, simply buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites.
The biggest nerf to belt ratting came when reprocessing was changed.
When years ago i was belt ratting split bounty vs loot was around 40 to 60% , so if CCP halved the refining of the lot hard , belt ratting got significant hit to income.
There is no simple solution to this, as to many things changed.
Belt ratting is now the less profitable thing you can do in nullsec ( if you exclude the mining )
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:05:50 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Adding more faction spawns , will just decrease value of the stuff they drop, so after some buff, every thing will go back to the starting point.
I'd be fine with that, drop in value. ok. More good gear cheaper for pvp, thats the compensation.
Anthar Thebess wrote:
I think that there was no real nerf to faction spawn rate
there was, who did belt ratting knows this (ofc not many people since everyone moved to anomaly farming years earlier).
Anthar Thebess wrote:
, simply buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites.
how is this relevant for this thread, which is purely about faction rat spawn rate in belts?!
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Belt ratting is now the less profitable thing you can do in nullsec ( if you exclude the mining )
yes, like I wrote before, noone does it for ISK anyways, I've done it for fun which was for some part finding a faction spawn, opening a Kinder Egg, you know this sort of a thing. |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:14:41 -
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buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites.
Quite simple.
When i got to nullsec and started to farm belts , faction spawn was the possibility to get the most valuable stuff BPC for a ship.
Now , because to the buff of escalation rate , BPC prices dropped drastically.
For example , BPC for nightmare was over 700mil then, now like 350mil .
In some cases price drop is even more significant - rattle snake cost now around 160mil.
If you look at the faction stuff prices from the PVP perspective , then yes - lower price is better, but when you look at the price from the NPC null sov residents, then this changes a lot.
People living in NPC space don't have sov anoms, and most of the isk come from this faction stuff.
Balance between NPC null and Sov space was lost long ago , and because of this big pirate groups harassing sov space in many places also died , or are trying to get some sov space instead of being the best content provider for all sov alliances around.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:18:31 -
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wtf has all this to do with my belt ratting issue??
yes, prices might fall a bit, whatever, im fine with it because some other part of the game gets a buff maybe:
- cheap faction gear for pvp
- little more people in belts to kill
yes, escalations were buffed, drop rates in plexes have been buffed, a separate issue. All I want is to see some more faction rats in belts, which wouldnt have much of impact anyways because hardly anyone is left for belt ratting nowadays. |
Suitonia
True Solo
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:20:52 -
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Also Burner Missions allows people who farm them with several pullers to bring in excessive amounts of Pirate Store LP which reduced the value of most BPCs and module drops.
The Spawn rate of Faction Spawns has not changed.
CCP removed chain-spawning, as well as belts resetting after DT. (Hunting belts after DT used to be the best way to find rare spawns). which nerfed belt ratting as a stable income, escalation changes and burner missions nerfed belt clearing for faction spawns.
I think adding in some nullsec only NPCs (Like Clone Soldiers, or Mordus rats) but for another faction/purpose with exclusive ship BPCs, or another kind of mechanic would probably be the best way to get people to care about belt ratting again.
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Suitonia
True Solo
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:22:06 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:wtf has all this to do with my belt ratting issue??
yes, prices might fall a bit, whatever, im fine with it because some other part of the game gets a buff maybe (cheap faction gear for pvp).
yes, escalations were buffed, drop rates in plexes have been buffed, a separate issue. All I want is to see some more faction rats in belts, which wouldnt have much of impact anyways because hardly anyone is left for belt ratting nowadays.
The Escalations are relevant because more faction spawns in them dropping faction loot, means the loot you get from faction spawns in belts has lower demand, and thus lower prices due to higher supply.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:23:43 -
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Suitonia wrote:
The Spawn rate of Faction Spawns has not changed.
it has.
years ago I was belt ratting a lot, I've found 1-2 faction spawns a day usually on regular basis.
then months later, suddenly, you would rat for weeks and not find a single one, for 2 months, then I quit doing that.
You might say it was just bad luck, going from 200 to 5 but I dont think so, also had other people who confirmed the same.
Suitonia wrote:
The Escalations are relevant because more faction spawns in them dropping faction loot, means the loot you get from faction spawns in belts has lower demand, and thus lower prices due to higher supply.
I dont care about the prices, this thread is not about the prices |
ImYourMom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.17 10:29:22 -
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Leto Aramaus wrote:I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself...
*sigh* ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it )
The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit)
The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare.
If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before.
There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words...
The issue is and i have to agree with OP is that faction and officer loots drops have almost disappeared! |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:32:28 -
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Trobax wrote:Yeah sure, more faction spawns with no loot, that settles it
This seems like the best solution. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.09.17 12:00:50 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Leto Aramaus wrote:I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself...
*sigh* ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it )
The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit)
The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare.
If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before.
There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words... The issue is and i have to agree with OP is that faction and officer loots drops have almost disappeared!
I see. And I was just thinking of doing some belt ratting in 0.0 in my Ishtar and Deimos. This thread has save me a lot of wasted time waiting for a faction/officer loot drop. I hope CCP didn't intentionally remove the faction spawns on the belt rats on purpose, that was kinda fun back in 2012.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:34:48 -
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CCPs changed security status gain from rats is even less reason for belt ratting. No more accumulated SS gain over multiple systems. Just realized how dull eve has got, docked and logged.. gn8 all |
BIGDOG4
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.13 10:16:33 -
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CCP Never puts things ppl wouldn't like to be changed in the patch noticed it's like a company policy they just hope that playerbase wouldn't notice it !
Belt ratting got nerfed now faction spawns don't appear unless you actually sit there cleaning the belts for hours.So warping thru belts checking every system is not a viable tactic anymore. Instead you have a better chance to get one running a heaven than actually sitting in belts.That said they also broke the agro again so the rats keep going for your drones.
As far as i'm concerned the faction spawns should have random chance to appear even if nobody is ratting in the belts over extended period of time and why not ? Every other resource in the game respawns. |
BIGDOG4
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.13 10:23:40 -
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]I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop
I see. And I was just thinking of doing some belt ratting in 0.0 in my Ishtar and Deimos. This thread has save me a lot of wasted time waiting for a faction/officer loot drop. I hope CCP didn't intentionally remove the faction spawns on the belt rats on purpose, that was kinda fun back in 2012.
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They changed something at the end of last month and it wasn't in the patch notes either ! |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.13 13:58:55 -
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I can get a faction belt spawn almost everytime I want, by doing one very simple thing, that no one else does for some reason. |
BIGDOG4
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.13 15:05:21 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:I can get a faction belt spawn almost everytime I want, by doing one very simple thing, that no one else does for some reason.
Do call me when you mange to shoot 20 officer spawns in 1 year of EVE |
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